How the Church of Scientology declares war on ex-members

[Kristin]

I wonder if there is an opportunity here for some of the splinter groups to work with Scientologists to bring them back to their original purpose, which was to help out humanity. However the misuse of this technology, I would surmise, is the reason that this "war" broke out in the first place. Technology without positive responsible consciousness comes with a price.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[CdnSirian]

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/ is a site where you can read Ingo Swann's experiences in psychic research and remote viewing. He writes with meticulous detail and much humor.

[CdnSirian]

Jacques Vallee mentions L R Hubbard in "Messengers of Deception" (he is not saying L R Hubbard was such a messenger) and his theory is that individuals were targeted to start new religions, to socially engineer people into various and conflicting beliefs about freedom,control, ET's, and more. He believes that the CIA was part of the inception of these religions, always had people on the inside. The "Messengers of Deception" are TPTB, in his opinion. A book before its time.

If one were to believe that Scientology had valid techniques for improving function (some do and some don't), the theory is that those techniques were given a setting in which to develop, and then hijacked, and the organization seemingly moves on, but appears to have become a negative force with nothing to offer. There has always been conflict in the organization, regular purges of personnel, removing the ones closest to the top with "the real tech" and then a new wave. This has been repeated for decades.

Much written about it all!

[Cartomancer]

I read once that Ron L. Hubbard, Aleister Crowley, and Jack Parsons were all members of the Ordo Templi Orientis or OTO. Jack Parsons was the founder of the Jet Propulsion Labratory that later became NASA. I'm sure we all know who Aleister Cowley is. Ron L. Hubbard went on to found Scientology. The OTO is an interesting order that practices sex majic and other occult rituals. Kind of like in the movie "Eyes Wide Shut."

Here are two very influential organizations basically being influenced by this order. This is how the occult works. They get people into key positions and use them to their advantage. Once you have this org. then events that seem paranormal and odd can be executed and taken advantage of.

It is also interesting that part of Scientology involves controlling the Thetans or lost souls of a dead alien race. This is kind of like a Sci-fi version of what King Solomon did in commanding the Angels and Demons. Is it possible that Masonry or the Church is persecuting Scientology due to this fact? Some secret societies are centered around Heptarchia or the summoning of Angels and Demons in a similar fashion to John Dee of Elizabethan England. I wonder if the Scientologists see themselves as getting rid of the demons commanded by some secret societies. There has to be some other reason for this attack on Scientology beyond what people think of it. Traditionally Jesuit assassins wear masks..........................

[conk]

LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by conk (here)
LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

This is correct.

[Alan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by conk (here)
LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

This is correct.

Any suggestions on where I can find the details on these protocols?

[Alan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
There's a torrent download of original LRH materials (books, encyclopedic research volumes, and audio tapes) which is freely available here:

http://projectavalon.net/Library_of_...72.TPB.torrent

This link is not working for me.

[conk]

Posted by alamojo (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by conk (here)
LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

This is correct.

Any suggestions on where I can find the details on these protocols?

I bought about 4 or 5 used LRH books on various health topics from Amazon.com. As so few have good thoughts about LRH, the books are not in demand and are very inexpensive used. A few bucks for each one. Good information!

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

[Alan]

Posted by conk (here)
I bought about 4 or 5 used LRH books on various health topics from Amazon.com. As so few have good thoughts about LRH, the books are not in demand and are very inexpensive used. A few bucks for each one. Good information!

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

Thanks. How does one know if the edition has been corrupted by the Church or not?

[Alan]

Posted by conk (here)
I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

Be careful with this stuff.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by alamojo (here)

Posted by conk (here)
I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

Be careful with this stuff.

The daily intake of niacin needs to be increased very gradually, and in balance with other vitamins (not on its own!). Judging the exact procedure, and making the correct day-to-day decisions on how much to take, is a specialist process.

[Mike]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by alamojo (here)

Posted by conk (here)
I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

Be careful with this stuff.

The daily intake of niacin needs to be increased very gradually, and in balance with other vitamins (not on its own!). Judging the exact procedure, and making the correct day-to-day decisions on how much to take, is a specialist process.

the only problem is that there are not a lot of specialists out there - to consult personally, i mean. you have your naturopaths, but without insurance coverage you're paying an arm and a leg. my favorite edict is the one on the side of the numerous supplements i take; it always makes me laugh:" consult your doctor before starting any new supplement program". which doctor??? where??? these md's haven't a clue about nutrition!

over time, i've discovered the only specialist i can trust is myself. i'm not a specialist in anatomy, biology or physiology, but i am a specialist in 'me'. a little research and responsible experimentation will usually lead one to a result. caution, as always, is advised. i myself take 500mg niacinimide for atp mitochondrial production. you get the result without the "flush". though i do believe there are subtle differences that one may want to research before making a decision 1 way or another.

i am seeing the trend change through the years, thankfully, as naturopaths and chiropractors spring up here locally; but as usual, money is always the big issue.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood fool looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

[Alan]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

Wow, are you a friend of Tom's? Sounds like you know him pretty well.

[Mike]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.

[JohnBlues]

Hey Chinaski, you mean this one?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L5Zv3X_Hlck

Oh wait, it's a Tom Cruise' clone, a funnier and more sensical one!

Here's the real, very awkward one -

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0CCIQtwIwAA

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by alamojo (here)

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

Wow, are you a friend of Tom's? Sounds like you know him pretty well.

Don't be facetious. He let Miscavige interfere when he was going out with Kidman. Doesn't make him a genius.

[Mike]

lol! yeah, that's the big one, but just about any Cruise interview will do. he's made some Letterman appearances that are just...wow.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I've just been trauling through the LRH torrent linked above and it is a veritable treasure trove! Can't wait to really get my teeth into it.