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    Quote Posted by justpeter (here)
    Yes, I agree about Marty but there is more to his story. Just before he made those strange videos he and his wife were involved in a long-running court case where his wife was suing the CofS for harrassment. The CofS had been fair-gaming the Rathbuns because Marty was speaking out against them and the Rathbuns decided to fight back through the courts.

    The CofS did what they usually do when involved in a court case - they used high-powered lawyers to drag it out for as long as possible in the hope that their opponents run out of money. Then, all of a sudden, the Rathbuns ditched the case and blamed their lawyers. Thus their lawyers didn't get paid as they were working on the basis that they would receive payment upon successful completion of the case.

    Very soon after, Marty started producing these videos where he seemed to be defending the CofS and slamming the critics of the CofS.

    Of course he doesn't admit to being paid-off but there doesn't seem to be any other explanation. The CofS would much prefer to end a case like this where their opponents' lawyers don't get paid and also no judgement is made against the CofS.

    Anyway, whatever happened, Marty has lost a lot of friends over this.
    Jon Zegel, whose audio tapes hugely influenced the "great schism" of the 1980s, made one last audio tape -- a pro-Church of Scientology tape. This was after some kind of legal tangle with the CofS. I remember the audio was slightly speeded up, perhaps to make it sound more enthusiastic.

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    Most interestingly of all for me, it shows ex-Church deputy CEO [my equivalent term] Mark 'Marty' Rathbun looking and behaving exactly like a shell-shocked Vietnam vet with PTSD. Watching him closely is why I wanted to see the film again.
    He also looks like a walking "missed withhold" (guilty conscience) and someone with a lot of "ev purps" (evil purposes, which were supposed to have been erased in expanded Dianetics).

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    Most interestingly of all for me, it shows ex-Church deputy CEO [my equivalent term] Mark 'Marty' Rathbun looking and behaving exactly like a shell-shocked Vietnam vet with PTSD. Watching him closely is why I wanted to see the film again.
    He also looks like a walking "missed withhold" (guilty conscience) and someone with a lot of "ev purps" (evil purposes, which were supposed to have been erased in expanded Dianetics).
    Yes, he really does. He's not in good shape.

    But that can be understood and empathized with. Many people who were in the Church and who left even many years ago are still carrying around a great deal of strong feeling, confusion, and emotional charge that's never been handled to this day.

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    Probably what is a little known bit of information about Hubbard is revealed in Dark Journalist's latest entry, starting at 12 minutes in here:

    Also posted here:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1332004
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Probably what is a little known bit of information about Hubbard is revealed in Dark Journalist's latest entry, starting at 12 minutes in here:
    That's very, very interesting. Whatever Caddy says can certainly be taken to the bank.

    It's only a brief section, starting at 12:22, and refers to how CIA asset Robert Merritt was given an assignment to get close to Hubbard via a honeytrap (another CIA asset, a "beautiful girl from Georgia") who was set up to have a sexual relationship with him — which all worked as planned for a 6 month period after which "the assignment was completed".

    This seems to at least partly correlate with this, a little-known report that suggests that after that time, Hubbard was never the same again.
    Hubbard's Missing 10 Months

    On 4 December 1972, L. Ron Hubbard was abducted by agents of the United States government when the plane he was traveling on from Lisbon landed in New York City. Jim Dincalci - a former nurse - and Paul Preston - a former Green Beret - were the only two people with him when it occurred.

    LRH was "gone" for ten months, until mid-September 1973 when he "returned" to Flag.

    It is Dincalci's testimony that during this MISSING TEN MONTHS, LRH was "hiding out" in Queens, New York - with only Dincalci and Preston as witnesses - and that during this period LRH purportedly wrote the project that launched "Snow White." [The Church's planned infiltration of the FBI, which was later busted and resulted in 11 senior scientologists going to prison, including Mary Sue Hubbard, Hubbard's wife.]

    It is unknown whether LRH was replaced by a "ringer" during that ten months, or was PDHed [brainwashed by Pain-Drug-Hypnosis] and made dependent on pharmaceuticals. What is known is that after his "return," he was never remotely the same, that he never again gave another extemporaneous lecture (which he had done for the twenty-two years prior), and that he never personally wrote another Scientology book.
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    I've shared Bill's post above here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1332072
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    It is always possible they got a "ringer" to substitute for LRH. It could of occurred several times.
    I do know of people that did get trained by LRH personally in 1975. He did a series of lectures in fine form back then.

    I do know a person that took care of LRH in the early 80's to mid 80's. She thought she was taking care of LRH. She would have dinner with him often.
    I do know that the IRS still thought he was alive. I saw a refund check from the IRS made out to LRH.

    But I also know that many agencies were VERY interested in him. It doesn't matter much really. The tech works extremely well. Some groups make it a policy to shut off the tech at 1980, I don't. I have audited both ways. Prior to 1980 and after and I find the later tech more accurate and faster.

    The organization got much more suppressive in the early 1980's, under Miscaviage's rule, and is basically a cult now. Not any better than any other religion or new age group on the planet.

    So far I haven't been been hassled too much from the current church, being a highly trained OT that is still quite active auditing. If they do I'll get quite active and make a lot of noise on tv shows or something. And of course play the legal game with them. They hold a poor deck of cards actually.

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    It is always possible they got a "ringer" to substitute for LRH.
    After I wrote my last post above, I watched this video. It's an interesting interview with Janis Gillham Grady, who's written two books (and nearly finished a third) about her fascinating experiences working extremely closely and personally with Hubbard over a number of years in the 1970s.

    Ron Miscavige (the show host, and David Miscavige's father) asks Janis at 25:22 whether Hubbard could possibly have been replaced. Janis emphatically states that didn't happen — at least, not when Hubbard was in the US before he returned to the ship.


    (Janis's two excellent books) —>

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    Peter Moon is also about to release a new book on the topic.

    „L. Ron Hubbard - The Tao of Insanity“

    I remember reading some early pages, something that Hubbard might have had an stint in some psychiatric facility even before Scientology started. But that’s just a shot from memory, yet I think it will have a new angle.

    Description from Peter Moon:

    L. RON HUBBARD — The Tao of Insanity
    by Peter Moon
    For over a half century, countless people have suffered severe misadventures after encountering the mysterious legacy of L. Ron Hubbard and his ever puzzling brain- child: Scientology, a subject that continues to intrigue, baffle and perplex the public as well as the many critics it has attracted. The only way something can remain so persistently mysterious and powerful is that the underlying occult factors beneath it are not understood. Once they are understood, it will no longer be a puzzle. L. RON HUB- BARD — THE TAO OF INSANITY imparts a major paradigm shift as it delves deeply into the hidden underpinnings of this man and his mission to reveal deeper insights into the rich tapestry he operated in that put him at the center of so much intrigue that surrounded key players in the military industrial complex such as Robert Heinlein, Jack Parsons, and Marjorie Cameron and the occult imprint that was placed upon them all. It is an imprint, however, that if truly understood, conveys an unrelenting hope and promise that is a constituent part of all life.

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    Peter Moon is also about to release a new book on the topic.

    "L. Ron Hubbard - The Tao of Insanity“
    That's very interesting. Peter Moon's real name is Vince Barbaric, and he was on the Apollo, in the Sea Org, when LRH was there. He wrote about the whole thing in his book The Montauk Book of the Dead.

    That was a terrible title! (And a terrible book cover. ) But the book itself is excellent, a biographical account of his time in scientology.


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    @Bill

    Yes I read it when you suggested it like 8 years ago, it was an amazing inside look.
    And what an intense real name, thanks for sharing!

    I have to say I admire Peter, he’s a real adventure hunter.
    He has been around 12 times to Romania, which is the place his latest book series centers around.

    Are you aware of any things going on in Romania, Bill? Like the mysteries surrounding their Sphinx and possible underground paths and much more?

    Here is Peter‘s recent newsletter from today, which mentions the Hubbard book project and several others: https://s3.amazonaws.com/kajabi-stor..._version_A.pdf
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    As far as I know related to Peter Moon’s work regarding Projections Hall beneath Bucegi Mountains,most of his informations came from Romanian writer Radu Cinamar of which you are familiar,but going deeper,this could be a story stretched back to the ‘70s,when the late dowser Vasile Rudan,initiatied a group of gifted children with special abilities.All gone well until Romania leadership of that time found out about his work and ask him to create a department of extrasensory people.
    In time,things became so messy and “accidents” happen in such manner that the same Romanian leadership decided to close this department as Vasile Rudan stated.


    If this was only a diversion of him to cover the activity of Department Zero or not,I don’t know.Other interesting informations about the subject could be also found at Gen. Emil Strainu


    and/or Iuri Floroiu


    Altough if someone would try to understand what exactly really mean what’s beneath Bucegi Mountains,should find the truth in Romanian myths,legends,strange writtings emedded in stones,ruined megalithic structures and available historic sources,regarding Luana’s Country,Ceahlau Mountain,Retezat Mountain,Bicaz Lake,some caves in Dobrogea,Hyperboreeans and Pelasgians,gugulan community from Caras-Severin county or other interesting places in Romania which,not only from my point of view,are a lot of them.

    Leaving a side political,economic,cultural,religious and other possible interest /implications, we always find in these myths and legends a small piece of truth.
    Every human is a question asked to the Spirit of the Universe,again and again,because every human is an endless row of humans and in all humans together dwelling the Great Human Spirit.

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    https://s3.amazonaws.com/kajabi-stor..._Chapter_1.pdf

    That‘s the first Chapter of Peter Moon‘s new book on Hubbard, which seems to be released next week.

    Chapter is titled the Funny Farm

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    I have read the 1st chapter of Moon's book, and it got my attention. I may give Peter a comm, I like guys like this.

    LRH talks a bit about his travels in Asia in his tapes and weaves it in and out while giving tech datums on the mind and spirit. Real Scientology training was never boring, until Miscavaige came in.

    What Hubbard thought of mysticism, and people he met in Asia as a kid, he talks often how he studied it in the training tapes lectures and some of his books:" If you want to get real sadistic, just get mystic." quote, Route to infinity lecture series, I guess he learned something with his stint with Parsons.

    Hubbard was always saying that his opinions are his but the tech was not his opinions. He always stressed he tried to separate himself from the tech research. The tech as far as I can observe still works quite well after applying it faithfully since 1974.

    The data in his basic books are still word for word some of the most important data mankind has had to date.

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    I have read the 1st chapter of Moon's book, and it got my attention. I may give Peter a comm, I like guys like this.

    LRH talks a bit about his travels in Asia in his tapes and weaves it in and out while giving tech datums on the mind and spirit. Real Scientology training was never boring, until Miscavaige came in.

    What Hubbard thought of mysticism, and people he met in Asia as a kid, he talks often how he studied it in the training tapes lectures and some of his books:" If you want to get real sadistic, just get mystic." quote, Route to infinity lecture series, I guess he learned something with his stint with Parsons.

    Hubbard was always saying that his opinions are his but the tech was not his opinions. He always stressed he tried to separate himself from the tech research. The tech as far as I can observe still works quite well after applying it faithfully since 1974.

    The data in his basic books are still word for word some of the most important data mankind has had to date.
    Who does the Church of Scientology hate more than the "squirrels?" People like James, delivering "standard tech" outside of the Church (not that I believe in standard tech any more).

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    I keep coming across that the take-over was way before 1982. The attention was placed on the "big schism" specific time period, which I too had been going by.

    The original OT levels were being tampered with since Saint Hill after Hubbard lost his residency permit, with a lot of "enhancements" which were not issued by Ron.

    The original OT levels did and do still work. If you compare them with the later versions, you'll notice that the abilities gained and inabilities lost are not even comparable.

    Dianetics was taken out of use by the introduction of "NED" (New Era Dianetics), which the former being Standard Dianetics; not only the proper tool to actually completing OT 3 - when called for use - but as well Dianetic Clear - long before one has begun auditing on the release grades.

    This was done by declaration that it is forbidden to use Dianetics on Clears and OTs. People later trying to go up the bridge would be said to be 'already' Clear (In the Scientology sense) and many were denied Dianetics, the grades, and the Clearing Course, which when done properly on solo for a good while, allowed for people to be Clear.

    NOTs, (New Era Dianetics for OTs) was to handle the unfinished OT 3 case, those on that level had completed it in the 60ies and early 70s for years before the major changes on the bridge in 1978. One would think before 1978 it would have been known if people were having serious trouble - there was enough time to see if the bridge of 1970 was having ill effect. Those who were missing the full set of tools to handle whatever is done on the original OT levels, is the most likely explanation why the original OTs did not work for them.

    False training when it came to e-meter use was established, later Church e-meters once turned on shows a fall F/N(explained in the later video), as compared to the Freezone meters, these Church one's will make a person have a tricky time when it comes to auditing not only themselves, but others. The ability meters from the freezone show the correct response - example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0RtWVvfu98


    Because: simply; we "can't have" what is termed Operating Thetan, which basically and only ever meant that a person is acting with their full capacity, and going by the last mention in the Abridged Scientology Dictionary of the 1960ies - is not in a body

    Why is this relevant to this thread? Because they, whomever they really are have taken notice of the works and writings of L. Ron Hubbard for a long time, so they give the public distractions via media outlets and paid OSA trolls(not all). Unfortunately, these distractions are not only attention-grabbers, but have caused a lot of harm to many people as we all know. It was all done deliberately to give "Scientology" a bad rap, just as other groups have been taken over that dealt with spiritual pursuits throughout history.

    However, they don't have to do much, because even in the Freezone there are many who are using the RTC (Religious Technology Center) created bridge instead of the original materials given in the 60ies. There is a difference between "feeling good" about the material, and actual verifiable results. Such people seem to produce a 'space' in their immediate vicinity that allows someone to know a person like this has come upon something. This kind of space, can come about from other practices mind you, I'm just stressing that this is possible as well with Dianetic and Scientology processing, when it is Dianetic and Scientology processing, not the later NLP mind control techniques and whatever else is being used with harmful intentions.

    You can have some returned ability on the later bridges, but the reason 1970 is being stressed, is due to the accuracy of application without the false training that came later - that once applied has the possibility of a harmful result.

    For those who don't know, Hubbard had said -

    "So technical progress has been:

    CLASS VIII -1968

    COMPLETE DIANETICS - 1969

    COMPLETE SCIENTOLOGY - 1970

    This is quite an achievement."

    (from 'LRH ED 117 Int', 26 Aug 70 "Current Cases")

    Let this statement allow you to decide for yourselves after a well worth investigation on the following sources.

    http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/index_scientology.html

    http://english.freiescientologen.de/...ecial:AllPages

    http://sc-i-r-s-ology.com

    http://sc-i-r-s-ology.com/rvtimeline/index.html

    https://scientology-1972.org/blog/20...of-scientology

    For our German friends:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8p8Do0f4IQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QGYEL_ay1A

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