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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by alamojo (here)
    Quote Posted by conk (here)
    I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.
    BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

    I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

    Be careful with this stuff.
    The daily intake of niacin needs to be increased very gradually, and in balance with other vitamins (not on its own!). Judging the exact procedure, and making the correct day-to-day decisions on how much to take, is a specialist process.

    Famous "detox MD" Dr Klinghardt recommends up to 1500 mg/day, but this is for the the treatment of autism.

    NB : tid. means Ter In Die (Latin for Three Times A Day)

    This is an extract (p 18) from one 34 slides presentation of him called "KPU Protocol for autism (Sept 09)"

    Treatment (adult dosages)
    a.m. before breakfast:
    • Zinc 250 mg/day for 3-4 months (as picolinate, gluconate, citrate or sulfate) Later in the treatment less zinc may be needed for maintainance
    • Manganese 20-50 mg/day
    • MicroMinerals 1 tbsp (BioPure)
    • Biotin 10 mg
    after breakfast
    • Arachidonic acid from Omega-6 oils: ghee, evening primrose, borage oil, black current oil
    • fish oil
    p.m. before bedtime:
    • P-5-P 50 mg, B-6 25 mg (up to 800 mg B6)
    • Magnesium glycinate 600 mg (up to 1600 mg), calcium citrate 1200 mg
    • Detox protocol
    • psychiatric symptoms: Niacin 500 mg tid.
    to improve bile quality/neurotoxin elimination/normalizing brain rhythms: Taurine 500 mg tid. before meals

    Source : a non public powerpoint presentation of Dr Klinghardt, after a seminar I attended with him in Paris in 2009.

    ________________________

    Dr Rath, about heart diseases :


    "These effects are achieved by nutritional supplements reversing impaired blood flow to the heart muscle as well as improving metabolism of millions of heart cells. The most important among these nutrients are vitamin C, vitamin E, niacin, lysine, proline, coenzyme Q10, carnitine as well as certain minerals."


    Source : http://www.drrathresearch.org/resear...-medicine.html

    FYI (my comment) : typical dosages of niacin in Dr Rath supplements are 5-15 mg/pill (i.e. 15-45 mg/day usually) and of niaciamide of 10 to 100 mg/day (i.e. 30 to 300 mg/day). The 100 mg dosage is found in the supplement called "Metavit" (used in the normalisation of cholesterol)
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    Quote Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
    I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

    have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.
    I agree Chinaski, Tom Cruise reminds me of a Jim Carrey caricature.
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    Could we please refrain from the Tom Cruise bashing and stay on topic? I'm sure many of us would come across different than we really are if we were as famous as TC and constantly in the public eye.

    I suggest we focus on bashing the real "bad guys" in the world, the PTW.

    :-)
    Before you speak, ask yourself, is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve on the silence?

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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    Quote Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
    I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

    have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.
    Here is another one of those interviews that make you want to cringe, this blokes 'Eyes' are a dead give away he is not comfortable in his own skin. Add to that his necessity to always be in 'Control' shows you that Tom Cruise's Soul has not benefited one iota from his beloved 'Church of Scientology'...

    Tom Cruise's - Full Interview with Australian 60 Minutes (He Loses it - Big Time)



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    Quote Posted by alamojo (here)
    Could we please refrain from the Tom Cruise bashing and stay on topic? I'm sure many of us would come across different than we really are if we were as famous as TC and constantly in the public eye.

    I suggest we focus on bashing the real "bad guys" in the world, the PTW.

    :-)
    Sorry alamojo,

    I didn't see your post...


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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    Quote Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
    I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

    have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.
    I agree Chinaski, Tom Cruise reminds me of a Jim Carrey caricature.
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    fire marshall Bill! the best! almost forgot about that.

    there are definite similarities, notably the spazziness.

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    Fellows, there is a big difference between niacin and niacinimide. Niacinimide won't give you flushes. It is strongly advised for arthritis, dementia, and other ailments.

    As Bill said, niacin must be titrated to the maximum dosage without the flush. Anyway, the flush is harmless. That said, please read on niacin before ingesting larger quantities. Sorry, I forget the recommended dosage from the LRH book.

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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    fire marshall Bill! the best! almost forgot about that.

    there are definite similarities, notably the spazziness.
    For me it is the perma-grin, the seemingly lack of ability to express appropriate emotion for a given situation and lastly the inappropriate out of place laughter.
    All in all I agree with you, the guy seems like an empty vessel, a mannequin.

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    Hi All,

    Here is Clear Body clear mind(attachemnt) . I have done the rundown a few times with amazing results(by myself I might had). It is beneficial and safer to do it together with someone else. Tip: Follow the protocols exactly as stated...Niacin, the oils and calmag are vital ingredients(donot alter any of the protocols or subsitute any of the ingrediants). Start low and increase the doses gradually, as stated in the book.

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    Default Re: How the Church of Scientology declares war on ex-members

    To add a bit more to this 'pile' that many may not have yet found:

    http://www.experiencefestival.com/l_...bard_-_parents

    "Until quite recently the Identity of Frater X remained unknown."

    "Rumor had it that he had lived to a very old age in fame and luxury from the misuses of the magickal secrets that he had stolen."

    "His identity remained a mystery until the late 1980's when it was revealed in several places at once that Frater X was none other than L. Ron Hubbard, father of Dianetics and Scientology."


    Other posts on PA have also suggested this here.

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    Quote Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
    Funny little anecdote about this Church Of Scientology. Back before it started Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek Franchise) and L. Ron Hubbard were best friends, LRH wanted to start his religion, and GR decided he wanted to start his own franchise (which became like a religion for many). They each started their own things, and never spoke to eachother again. But, they both started from almost the exact same point.

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    I have found a link for a 945 KByte PDF version that is 275 pages, with no date on it here.

    The web-site is here.

    I also did find a 687 page version that is 32,678 KBytes is size.

    Quite a bit of editorial changes I'm sure.

    - 58

    Quote Posted by Hughe (here)

    I have E-book version of Dianetecs written by L. Ron Hubbard. It has 275 pages without any publication date on it. I'm uncertain it was the original manuscript that Hubbard developed or fabricated one by the Scientologists later on. Bill is an expert. He probably confirms its authenticity.

    Below is the full title:
    Quote DIANETICS
    THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH
    A HANDBOOK OF DIANETIC PROCEDURE
    By
    L. RON HUBBARD

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    Regarding the Hubbard-Parson-Crowley relationships, too many facets being presented as truths...

    For starter, there is this letter from Parsons to Crowley:

    Quote “About 3 months ago I met Capt L Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time …. [no omission] He is a gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago, and although Betty and I are still friendly, she has transferred her sexual affections to him.

    Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.

    We are pooling our resources in a partnership which will act as a parent company to control our business ventures. I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty and I are the best of friends, there is little loss ….

    I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind. I hope my elemental gets off the dime [gets moving] – the next time I tie up with a woman it will be on [my] own terms.”
    Then, a research done in an attempt to get to the bottom of these gossips yields the following:

    Quote Critics have accused Ron of “swindling” Jack Parsons, and while Wright doesn’t add new news to this theory, he certainly manages to leave some important facts out.

    Basically, Ron and Jack, in the short 4-5 months that they hung out and became good friends in 1945/1946, decided to go into business together — it was going to be a wide ranging enterprise, and the first idea was to buy three yachts cheaply on the east coast (Miami), bring them across the Panama Canal by hiring crews, and then selling them at a significant mark-up to the rich celebrity crowd in southern California. Parsons put up most of the money, but didn’t have to do any work. Hubbard put in a bit of money, but was responsible for doing all the legwork. This is a common business arrangement, where one partner provides the money, the other takes care of operations.

    Beyond that, there were a number of future ideas that the two had thought up, including adding Hubbard’s writings to the partnership, Parsons was going to add some of the assets from his rocket work. (Source: Strange Angel, by Pendle).

    According to Heinlein, Hubbard talked up an idea of going to other countries, including a “China venture” — in one letter to Hubbard in 1946, Heinlein scolded Hubbard for being too talkative about China, getting his (Heinlein’s) nephews overly excited about exotic trips there. [Source: Heinlein biography by Patterson].

    But forty years later, this became “Hubbard tried to swindle Parsons” in the minds of his critics, for two reasons:

    (1) Because Ron was still in the Navy, he was required to get permission to leave the country. He listed South America, Central America and China as possible destinations. Because China was nowhere near the Panama Canal, this, in the minds of Hubbard’s critics, was due to Ron’s “secret plans to go to China”. Yeah, real secret — Heinlein was actually upset that Ron was talking about it too much.

    (2) Crowley and his OTO team didn’t trust people — they didn’t trust Jack (to think for himself), they didn’t trust someone named Smith. They had endless back-stabbing drama amongst themselves. And their latest object of distrust was Ron. When Crowley (living in England, and having never met Ron) heard about the business venture, he decided that it was all a con by Ron and that he needed to brow-beat Jack, and with the help from other members of the drama-filled OTO, ultimately convinced Jack that Ron was swindling him.

    In the mean time, Ron was busily carrying out the business plan (with the help of Betty) in Miami for about a month, had bought the boats and even hired the crews. But Jack had been convinced by Crowley and others that Ron wasn’t staying in touch with Jack enough, and therefore Ron must be onto something tricky. So Jack races across the country to find Ron and Betty doing exactly what they had all agreed to do. Ron had actually purchased three yachts! And worse, he had arranged the crews to sail them through the Panama Canal. The horror of it all!

    Jack, having been all worked up by the OTO (and wanting to stay in good graces with Crowley), forced the partnership to be dissolved.

    Hubbard and Betty were left thinking: WTF?

    (Sources: “Strange Angel”, by Pendle; “Heinlein Biography, Vol 1″, by Patterson.)

    — -- --

    Believe me, when Hubbard later referred to Aleister Crowley in a lecture as his “good friend”, he was joking. And the audience knew it. They chuckled when he said it.
    Hubbard, to start with, was a highly gifted psychic since a very early age..

    ... make of it what thou wilt...
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    if you worry about 'updated' versions of books of LRH then buy used ones on amazon. Used ones go for.... a few cents +p&p. The one with sauna flush (B3 connected) is 'Clear body, clear mind' (i think, please correct me if im wrong).
    There are slightly modified versions of that procedure using an infra-red sauna and vit B3. Some procedures add charcoal (very large surface area and chemically inactive, widely used in some countries for treating upset stomach, not much used in the UK these days, removing toxins due to surface adsorption, but also removes nutrients)

    i also came across this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF_VeTERa1M
    its only a couple minutes long but explains a little about how high to go with niacin. Essentially as high as you can (~5000mg/day) not sure what LRH says about this.
    What's interesting it seems that this may be the right method to get rid of heavy metals (not to be mixed with music fans - sorry, no offence)
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    King of Queens star Leah Remini on quitting Scientology, falling out with Kirstie Alley and putting ‘family first’

    February 28, 2014


    Leah Remini starred alongside Kevin James in The King of Queens. Source: Supplied

    “I JUST want people to know the truth.”

    Leah Remini, best known for her star turn as Carrie Heffernan on the 90s/2000s sitcom The King of Queens, has revealed she quit the Church of Scientology for the sake of her family.

    Remini left the church last year in acrimonious circumstances after she claimed she endured years of “interrogations” and “thought modification”.

    It was reported at the time she questioned the mysterious marriage of Scientology leader David Miscavige and his rarely-seen wife Shelly, and was sternly rebuffed and threatened.

    Now she has opened up on the devastating circumstances of her split from the church, a bitter falling out with former friend Kirstie Alley and her difficult childhood growing up in a Scientologist family.

    TV star: ‘Why I really quit Scientology’

    Leah Remini says she wants “people to know the truth” about Scientology.

    Remini, 43, told Buzzfeed the decisive factor in her departure was the intensive devotion the church requires from its followers. She feared she was putting her family, especially her nine-year-old daughter Sofia, a distant second.

    “In my house, it’s family first — but I was spending most of my time at the church,” she said.

    “So, I was saying ‘family first,’ but I wasn’t showing that. I didn’t like the message that sent my daughter.”


    Remini, pictured here with her daughter Sofia in 2010, wanted to put her “family first”. Source: Getty Images

    Remini described growing up on a floor in a “roach-infested” Los Angeles motel - after leaving behind a comfortable, middle-class life in New York - as “traumatic”. Then her family moved to a compound in Florida, where the church pulled them apart.

    “We were separated from our mother. We had to sign billion-year contracts we didn’t understand. And we kept saying, ‘Why are you doing this to us? Why are we here?’”

    That experience ultimately informed Remini’s decision to leave the church last year. She thought of her daughter and wanted to spare her from the Scientology life.

    “She was getting to the age where the acclimation into the church would have to start,” she added.

    “I started thinking of my own childhood and how I grew up resenting my mother because she was never home.”


    Remini and Alley shared the screen in an episode of The King of Queens and formed a firm

    Remini and Alley shared the screen in an episode of The King of Queens and formed a firm friendship through Scientology. Source: YouTube

    When she eventually quit the church Remini was scalded by its followers, including some of her then-close friends. Alley, the Look Who’s Talking actor, said Remini was repulsive and a bigot.

    “They only cared that their lives would be disrupted if they stood with me,” Remini said of the reaction from her Scientology friends.

    “They didn’t care about doing the right thing. That showed me everything the church taught me was a lie.”


    Alley later denied her Twitter outburst was directed at Remini. Source: Twitter

    But it was Remini’s mother — herself a devout Scientologist — who provided her with the most comfort and support during the tumultuous split with the church.

    “The fact my mother stood by me after all her years in the church totally took away any resentment I may have been harbouring,” she said.

    “When it mattered the most, my mother was there for me.”

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...-1226840864469

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    Bumping this valuable thread. Since the above post, many will already know that Leah Remini, co-hosting with ex Scientology goon Mike Rinder, has headed up a three-series exposé on the activities of the recent Church of Scientology under David Miscavige.

    Everything's in the Avalon Library, and all the episodes are in this folder:
    There are also these documentaries, all of which are well worth watching.
    And these books:
    These last three are listed because although not specifically about the Church of Scientology, the two authors were guests on Leah Remini's show.
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    Thanks for putting Leah Remini's "Scientology and the Aftermath" series in the library, Bill. The show is very well done, genuine and Remini and Rinder are very good presenters in this moving series.

    After watching this series I began watching videos from ex-Mormons, ex-Jehovah's Witnesses and other cults. It is very interesting what people have to go through to deprogram themselves from the falsehoods and traumas, often taking decades. Beliefs can be very powerful.

    I noticed two deprogramming tools that people used: truth seeking (i.e., "fact checking") and questioning authority.

    As a side note, the last time I entered a $cientology organization, I told them about the abductions by Grays that I was having and they showed me the door. I am certain that if I had had a big fat bank account they would have kept me around in spite of my "suppressive" bug-eyed friends who would also not be paying customers.
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    The "civil war" between the $cientology "church" and ex-scientologists took a very unexpected turn in the case of Marty Rathbun.

    Marty Rathbun--like Scientology and the Aftermath's consultant and co-host, Mike Rinder, was a top-level executive in the corporation/cult of $cientology. Mike Rinder had survived "the hole" and both experienced the physical and mental abuse of sociopathic leader David Miscavige. Both Rinder and Rathbun left $cientology.

    After leaving they eventually began actively exposing the abuses of the "church". Marty started a blog and was harassed by the "church". He played a leading role in Louis Theroux's My Scientology Movie in 2015, which exposed "the hole".

    Eventually, Marty Rathbun's wife, Monique, sued the "church" of $cientology due to all the harassment. Although $cientology's lawyers did everything they could to drag out the case, the case was sound and it was expected that Monique would eventually win the case.


    However, Monique unexpectedly fired her lawyers and dropped the case. Then Marty Rathbun began unexpectedly publishing very professionally-made videos exposing his former friends who were featured in Leah Remini's Scientology and the Aftermath series. In these videos Marty lies about his former friends that were in Remini's shows as well as Leah Remini herself.

    Marty used to hold annual gatherings of his ex-scientology friends at his home in Texas so his friends were understandably shocked to see Marty obviously lying on these videos and turning against his friends who had been courageously speaking out against $cientology cult abuse.

    I and other ex-scientologists highly suspect that Marty and Monique sold out their friends and took a pay off from the "church". The videos themselves were indicative of the church's tactics. Plus, they were professionally produced--unlike most youtube videos where people casually sit in front of their computers in their own homes. The "church" has its own movie production facilities which appear to have been used in Marty's videos where he is not even looking at the camera. In the videos Marty is constantly stumbling on his words and it appears that he is repeatedly glancing down at (his?) notes.


    In spite of the "church" still having a website exposing Marty Rathbun they now have posted these videos on the church's own websites in order to attack Leah Remini and her successful TV series exposing $cientology. https://scientologymoneyproject.com/...sticking-with/

    So it's pretty much a no brainer what is going on. There also exists the possibility that the "church" has some dirt on Marty or Monique that they are using against them. The dirty tricks of the church, which were established by L Ron Hubbard, are well known.

    Here is Mike Rinder's response to Marty's videos: https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mart...buns-meltdown/

    Here is a more complete chronicle of Marty's activities by Tony Ortega: https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/me...-church-rebel/

    I have friends who were friends of Marty and Monique and they used to attend their annual get-togethers. They are saddened by Marty's behavior. They have tried to contact him to find out what happened, but Marty and Monique have not responded to any inquiries from former friends. When I watch Marty's videos wherein he knowingly lies about his former friends I am also saddened because I see a tortured soul.

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    The "civil war" between the $cientology "church" and ex-scientologists took a very unexpected turn in the case of Marty Rathbun.

    Marty Rathbun--like Scientology and the Aftermath's consultant and co-host, Mike Rinder, was a top-level executive in the corporation/cult of $cientology. Mike Rinder had survived "the hole" and both experienced the physical and mental abuse of sociopathic leader David Miscavige. Both Rinder and Rathbun left $cientology.

    After leaving they eventually began actively exposing the abuses of the "church". Marty started a blog and was harassed by the "church". He played a leading role in Louis Theroux's My Scientology Movie in 2015, which exposed "the hole".

    Here it is:

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    Eventually, Marty Rathbun's wife, Monique, sued the "church" of $cientology due to all the harassment. Although $cientology's lawyers did everything they could to drag out the case, the case was sound and it was expected that Monique would eventually win the case.


    However, Monique unexpectedly fired her lawyers and dropped the case. Then Marty Rathbun began unexpectedly publishing very professionally-made videos exposing his former friends who were featured in Leah Remini's Scientology and the Aftermath series. In these videos Marty lies about his former friends that were in Remini's shows as well as Leah Remini herself.

    Marty used to hold annual gatherings of his ex-scientology friends at his home in Texas so his friends were understandably shocked to see Marty obviously lying on these videos and turning against his friends who had been courageously speaking out against $cientology cult abuse.

    I and other ex-scientologists highly suspect that Marty and Monique sold out their friends and took a pay off from the "church". The videos themselves were indicative of the church's tactics. Plus, they were professionally produced--unlike most youtube videos where people casually sit in front of their computers in their own homes. The "church" has its own movie production facilities which appear to have been used in Marty's videos where he is not even looking at the camera. In the videos Marty is constantly stumbling on his words and it appears that he is repeatedly glancing down at (his?) notes.


    In spite of the "church" still having a website exposing Marty Rathbun they now have posted these videos on the church's own websites in order to attack Leah Remini and her successful TV series exposing $cientology. https://scientologymoneyproject.com/...sticking-with/

    So it's pretty much a no brainer what is going on.

    Yes, no kidding. He's been turned. I'd never seen that video. He's reading (literally or metaphorically) straight from the Church's script. It's as plain as day.

    SOME of what Rathbun says about the Remini series between his VERY Church-like criticism is semi-accurate, but definitely worthy of a few notes.
    • The producers of the show (not just Leah Remini, who's just one of a whole team of co-producers) will have the final say on what's aired. And above them, A&E senior executives have the right to dictate or demand anything they like. A&E (like any network) are doing this not through altruism, but to earn money from maximizing viewers and with that, advertising revenue. That's just how the TV game is played.
    • So that means that there's always going to be a push from the producers and editors to make it look as Jerry-Springer-like as possible. Emotion usually hooks people in, in any kind of media whatsoever. As with any TV show, what's filmed is 10x (or more!) what's actually edited and aired. So we can never know what was filtered out.
    • Having said that, what's NOT been shown on the Remini series, in any episode at all — even those featuring highly trained people — is anything that remotely accurately describes what Scientology processing is or how it works. (And in competent and ethical hands, it really does work. This is one of the paradoxes about the entire thing.) The same applies for the fairly similar and highly praised 'Going Clear' documentary, by the way. But there again, much material may have been omitted as being too difficult to present, or not relevant or necessary to the major story arc.
    • Re the processing, and all the 'levels' she worked through and attained, Leah Remini herself really doesn't seem to understand much about what she experienced (bar the abuse and draconian administrative policies, which is what the show is rightly all about). And Mike Rinder little more that Remini. I was really very surprised at that. (But then again, all that might have featured in the recordings of some of the guests, but was then edited out if the producers felt it was either of little interest, or maybe too hard for a lay audience to understand.)
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    Despite all the noise and turmoil, Standard tech works extremely well. I agree the church has turned bad, probably most religions these days have been taken over. I guess I can only say Scientology works but it has to be done with a light touch.

    Having left the cos was one of my better moves, but knowing and understanding the tech was a better move.

    I am very happy I have attained what I have attained on the Bridge and as a pro Auditor have helped many others through out all these years. And continue to do so.

    If you have questions I guess I'm willing to play a bit.

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    Given that this is a thread about "civil war" in the church of Scientology, I would first say that "civil war" would not be the most accurate term to use. It's really just about the church abusing its members. So $cientologists just up and left the church. The ex-scientologists are not waging war--it's the church waging war on the ex-scientologists who have just been escaping the abuse. The ex-Scientologists are not at war but are mostly working on healing the wounds of their past abuse and hoping they can help others that are still "drinking the kool-aid", a term they often use.

    Many are still experiencing the trauma of having their families torn apart by "disconnection", which is shunning that is enforced by the "church". Family members inside the "church" are not even allowed to communicate with family members who have left the church.

    I have been making a study of this since it involves the way people deprogram themselves from a cult, which I find fascinating and very applicable to life in general.

    I have spent many hours--probably hundreds--reading testimonies, documents, articles and watching videos of what people are saying who have left the so-called "church", which is more of a corporation disguised as a church. I also have my own firsthand experiences so I can relate and understand what is being talked about. I've also talked with many people who were in $cientology, some of whom knew Hubbard personally.

    One of the problems with understanding what has been going on lies in the fact that $cientology has its own language that Hubbard created. So I'll try explain what has been going on in common English. To start with Hubbard refers to his writings as "technology" or "tech" for short.

    From what I have gathered from people who have left $cientology, there are two people most responsible for the problems--current leader David Miscavige and L Ron Hubbard himself. After people leave the church they eventually often realize that both David Miscavige and Hubbard are/were sociopaths. This is very common in cults. Hubbard was by his own actions and by definition a sociopath, narcissist and pathological liar.

    One ex-church member whom I know personally knew Hubbard in his previous lifetime in the early 50's, was in the Sea Org (the highest level of $cientologist) this lifetime and had achieved a high level of "tech" in the organization. I will only refer to him by his first name. "Les" had also done his homework regarding L Ron Hubbard and he said that Hubbard was 75% sociopath and 25% not sociopath. I think that is a fair summation in that nothing is all black or all white and there are varying degrees or intensities of sociopathy.

    One of Hubbard's biggest lies involving his "tech" is regarding leaving the church. In spite of what some may claim, Hubbard's "tech" does not always work nor does it work on everyone equally or uniformly. He made many claims about his "tech" but many of those claims were false claims. This one big lie has probably caused more mental trauma than all the other "tech" combined.

    This one big lie involved allegedly confidential "confessionals" which Hubbard called "Security Checking" or "Sec Checks" for short. When someone wants to leave a staff position in $cientology, Hubbard required them to be "Sec Checked". Hubbard claimed that when someone wanted to leave Scientology it was because that person had done something wrong against $cientology or a $cientologist and had kept it a secret. So the "Sec Check" was an interrogation tool to find out what bad thing that person did to make him or her want to leave. The bad thing, sin or transgression is called an "overt" in $cientologese. When the person who committed the "overt" kept it a secret it was called a "withhold". When a person suddenly left $cientology it was called a "blow".

    Bill Franks, who worked with Hubbard personally, revealed Hubbard's big lie in the video interview below. Briefly, Hubbard confessed to him and David Mayo that he had lied about what made people want to leave $cientology. Hubbard said that it was not due to "overts and withholds" as Hubbard had written in his "tech". He told them that it was instead due to upsets, which are called "ARC breaks" in $cientology.
    Hubbard told them that they could never tell anyone about his lie. Hubbard said that the purpose of his lie was to "control" people. Hubbard did not want people to leave $cientology.

    There were in fact many reasons why people leave $cientology. People on staff were paid little to nothing and had to work long hours, pretty much slave labor. Hubbard used this slave labor to accumulate massive wealth. Hubbard died with assets of over 600 million dollars. As Bill Franks states in the video below, for Hubbard it was all about the money.

    Both Hubbard and Miscavige severely punished and imprisoned people without their consent. Hubbard even severely punished and imprisoned a four-year old boy in the ship's chain locker for chewing a telex.

    Hubbard taught that if a woman was raped it was because of what she had done or if a car went through a red light and hit your car, it was because of something you did. Because of this insane mind control, rape and pedophilia were covered up in the so-called "church" and victims are looked down upon as if they deserved it.

    Homosexuality was looked upon by Hubbard and loyal $cientologists as a mental illness, perversion and sociopathic behavior. Hubbard's own homosexual son eventually committed suicide.

    $cientology services were and still are very expensive to the extent that most people cannot afford them. I have even read $cientology policy that stated: "milk the public for all they are worth". $cientology registrars were taught to get people to max out credit cards and go deeply into debt which sometimes resulted in bankruptcy. One high level $cientologist (OT7) in Denver put his business deep in debt and ended up murdering his employee and then shooting himself in the head.

    Hubbard did not deliver what he promised or live up to the claims he made. There are so many reasons why people leave $cientology. Many of them are horror stories. And the list goes on and on.



    The internet has made it possible for the truth to get out. There have also been movies exposing $cientology. More recently, Leah Remini's "Scientology and the Aftermath" has awakened many people to the dangers of the cult of $cientology.

    Today $cientology is supported mostly by "whales" who donate millions of dollars individually in order to build extravagant "churches" with very few people inside them.

    Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, has over 8,500,000 active members worldwide. Compare that to $cientology, which now only has an estimated 30,000 members worldwide.

    If there is a "civil war" in $cientology then the so-called "church" is losing, big time.
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    Given that this is a thread about "civil war" in the church of Scientology, I would first say that "civil war" would not be the most accurate term to use. It's really just about the church abusing its members.
    Yes, that's correct. A 'civil war' implies a war within an organization or group. This is a war declared by the Church against people who have left it. That's very different, with different implications.

    I've just changed the thread title, from Civil War in the Church of Scientology..! to How the Church of Scientology declares war on ex-members.

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