Research question: need info abt a Nazi officer/academic with esoteric connections

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, Folks:

Thanks for reading this thread. I'm looking for the name of a man who I read about many years ago. I can't find the data I'm looking for, so it occurred to me to ask for your combined help.

What I can remember is scant. This man was either a Nazi officer, or maybe an academic. He may have been German, or Austrian. He may have been an archaeologist, an esotericist, or a document researcher -- more so than a military man. He may have been SS: the SS went on a lot of esoteric missions worldwide, looking for priceless treasures such as the Holy Grail -- etc.

Apparently (if I remember this right), he or the team he was attached to did indeed find an artifact, or treasure, of great value. I can't remember any dates, but I presume this was sometime in the 1940s (but may conceivably have been the late 30s).

What I do remember -- the only thing I'm certain about in this whole collage of data -- is that he ended his life freezing to death in the snow, somewhere high in the mountains.

Very many thanks indeed. I'll return to check this thread regularly.

[BestLion]

Otto Rahn was his name
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...e-of-doom.html

[Normalguy31]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Rahn

First thing I found on Google

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Why the inquiry? If I may ask.

[Mare]

Could this be him Bill?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Rahn

[Billy]

I read a book Titled " The spear of destiny " in the 70s 0r early 80s, They said it was the spear that pearced the Christ, Hitler's greatest mission was to poccess this spear. If i remember correctly the spear was found in Italy and Hitler's dream was fulfilled.

http://www.unmuseum.org/spear.htm

http://web.org.uk/picasso/spear.html

http://www.amazon.com/Spear-Destiny-.../dp/0877285470

[Carmody]

Posted by BestLion (here)
Otto Rahn was his name
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...e-of-doom.html

There was more in a similar vein - a lot more. To the untrained ear, this has a note of desperate flannel about it. However, Himmler loved the book and ordered 5,000 copies to be bound in the finest leather and distributed to the Nazi elite. By now it must have dawned on Rahn that he was swimming with some extremely nasty sharks. It must also have dawned on him that he was trapped - especially when he read the proofs of Lucifer's Court and found that one blatantly anti-Semitic passage had been inserted by someone else.


And that...is how it is done. Inch by inch.

For example, I just read the autobiography of Nikola Tesla..and in it..is a line or pair of lines that says that JP Morgan is the sweetest of men and anything bad about him and his dealings with Tesla -are the creations of other men. This, stated by Tesla, in the autobiography. Whether Tesla said it nor not, I've no idea. However, all information I've ever heard... is that Morgan screwed Tesla, in some manner.

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/teslaauto01.html

[Bill Ryan]

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Many thanks to all. The Spear of Destiny was the book I read many years ago (I think).

[WhiteFeather]

Was this a good read Bill.

[Billy]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Many thanks to all. The Spear of Destiny was the book I read many years ago (I think).

I just noticed it was published in 1982, a fasinating read, how Hitler was obsessed with astrology and would not go into battle unless the planets were with him.

EDIT. First published in 1973. Does time not fly,

[WhiteFeather]

Im looking for the pdf file, maybe we can read it for free.

Found This Pdf, searching for The spear of destiny, looks like a good read.

http://www.satanism.ro/wp-content/up...FO-Secret1.pdf

Here's some first page excerpts from the Pdf
THE NAZI UFO SECRET
"The Nazi party had a secret flying disc already off of the drawing board and flying
and it was capable of 1200 miles an hour. Vertical take-off, 90ƒ changes, much like a
helicopter, and of course was far superior to anything the Allies powers had at that
time. Secondly they also had another craft about to be up and going it was capable of
doing 2500 miles per hours, which was double the original. Not only did it have the
characteristics of the original craft, but it also had a laser weapon aboard it which
capable of penetrating four inches of armour. Needless to say that really spooked the
allied forces into making a redemptive attempt against Von Braun and bringing him
… into a state of capitulation."

[TargeT]

Too bad Lord Sidious isn't here... he seemed especially well read in this topic

[modwiz]

Posted by TargeT (here)
Too bad Lord Sidious isn't here... he seemed especially well read in this topic

My thoughts exactly.

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Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)
Otto Rahn was his name
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...e-of-doom.html

There was more in a similar vein - a lot more. To the untrained ear, this has a note of desperate flannel about it. However, Himmler loved the book and ordered 5,000 copies to be bound in the finest leather and distributed to the Nazi elite. By now it must have dawned on Rahn that he was swimming with some extremely nasty sharks. It must also have dawned on him that he was trapped - especially when he read the proofs of Lucifer's Court and found that one blatantly anti-Semitic passage had been inserted by someone else.


And that...is how it is done. Inch by inch.

For example, I just read the autobiography of Nikola Tesla..and in it..is a line or pair of lines that says that JP Morgan is the sweetest of men and anything bad about him and his dealings with Tesla -are the creations of other men. This, stated by Tesla, in the autobiography. Whether Tesla said it nor not, I've no idea. However, all information I've ever heard... is that Morgan screwed Tesla, in some manner.

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/teslaauto01.html

Yes, Tesla and the rest of humanity, which he and his ilk have chosen, by their behavior, to exclude themselves from.

[BestLion]

While in College my main ave of interest was WW2. And I have visited many of the Battlefields in Ukraine ..that took place on the savage Eastern Front. I have talked to veterans of the war and women who lived through it from a Soviet perspective. This lead me to being intrigued by the Nazi expeditions for the findings of Atlantis, the Aryans homeland, relics "The holy grain" etc..Let me note a few things so we can clear up some stuff.
The Nazis never took the faith in the bible serious. They were sun worshipers.
So then why were they after a holy grail said to come from Jesus? Well the story of the grail goes back much deeper the Jesus. It has its roots in Atlantis and the gods that came out of Atlantis ... This has been a puzzle I've been trying to piece together for a few years. Also the Holy grail was not what Hollywood makes it out to be nowadays. The Nazis were convinced the grail was a symbol of the tree of life. It contained special healing powers. The grail is said to posses the powers far beyond what we had then. They were in Nazi myths also symbolized with grapes and a blue stone. This came to the Nazis via the myths of the Aryan god Ahura who also had used the grail while on a mountain to signify power. Also from my study it seems the grail and the lost ark were in fact the same things. Thus when you hear of the Germans going after the grail, you can also on the same note say they were searching for the lost ark. The rest of all this is a mystery.
Now, blue stones..and why these stones..My study lead me to none other then Edgar Casey on this hunt.
Edgar Cayce predicted that on one of the Caribbean islands, being the remnants of Atlantis, a blue stone of Atlantean origin would be found with extraordinary healing attributes.
A stone discovered as of late could be this it is called Larimar.
Kyot the Provençal, claimed the Grail was a stone that fell from Heaven (called lapsit exillis), and had been the sanctuary of the Neutral Angels who took neither side during Lucifer's rebellion.
Thus, I think their is a connection to these stones and the ark-holy grail. Together they may have a power unknown to man to heal and give knowledge..maybe this stone can give man access to the gods? Maybe can open our 3rd eye? Is a mystery and an interesting topic.
Notice also from the myth of the lost ark ..the high priest had to wear special stones in order to life the ark. Also in the Bible account..The ark was then placed in the tabernacle and covered in blue; and each time it was moved, it was the duty of the men from the house of Levi to dismantle it and erect it again.

[nf857]

New to Avalon, but thought i would mention that there was a theme of this topic in Hellboy the movie at the very start, as there is so much disclosure in films & a lot of what you see in movies is based on some hidden truth, i thought it was worth a mention, hardly anything bonified, but anyways

[Wockey]

Bill, The Spear of Destiny is also found on iTunes - free - description is, a 10,000 word supernatural alternative history novella. if this helps too.

[wolf_rt]

that's a different book Wockey

[sargeist]

wrt blue stones - some physical ets (not uts/eds) use a blue stone to perform certain tasks.

Wrt hitler and his love of 'astrology' - any and all historical references to hitler's love of astrology are actualy references to his subservience to the thule/vril. The germany war machine could have easily wiped the entire english army before dunkirk, but were 'advised' not to. Also, his 'advisors' assisted in creating the first modern incarnation of the super-soldier. Know sometimes as 'the zodiac'. Interesting side-note, in ww2 the elite australian commandos were known as z-force.

Wrt the 'spear' - one of the immortals has always been charged with overseeing the spear.

[BestLion]

Talking about blue stones..this I found interesting>
http://www.rense.com/general2/blue.htm
Deep below the Giza Plateau is a remarkable chamber. It is so deep, it reaches the level of the water table below the ground. This Tomb of Osiris location has been the area of much focus and controversy.In our current mindset, the beauty tends to be present in our fantasies, hopes, and expectations about Giza rather than observing the physical beauty of the monuments and structures themselves. So something as unique as a massive BLUE stone sarcophagus lid will still tend to be over-shadowed by those who,s eyes are only focused on conjecture and conspiracy about this chamber. Actually, the Giza Plateau is riddled with hundreds of remarkable features that are completely unknown to the average person. The beauty of stone formations and ancient natural geological masterpieces are all ignored, as most minds are focused on things like Gantenbrink,s door, or the right paw of the Sphinx.

[Chucky]

Not to mention the movie "Constantine" This features the spear of destiny too. Should provoke memorys of roughly what the spear is about.. Starred Keanu Reeves for those not sure. The fact about the spear is obviously books like the one Bill quotes. Must say it sounds interesting to read. Might look into this one myself.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Many thanks to all. The Spear of Destiny was the book I read many years ago (I think).

[Lochinvar]

Posted by sargeist (here)
wrt blue stones - some physical ets (not uts/eds) use a blue stone to perform certain tasks.

Wrt hitler and his love of 'astrology' - any and all historical references to hitler's love of astrology are actualy references to his subservience to the thule/vril. The germany war machine could have easily wiped the entire english army before dunkirk, but were 'advised' not to. Also, his 'advisors' assisted in creating the first modern incarnation of the super-soldier. Know sometimes as 'the zodiac'. Interesting side-note, in ww2 the elite australian commandos were known as z-force.

Wrt the 'spear' - one of the immortals has always been charged with overseeing the spear.

I think you'll find that English soldiers at this time were representing the UK at this time and that the English Army had long ceased to exist.