Jesus?

[Thinker]

Sending “love” to Narcissistic Luciferian Elitists seems as productive as waiting for the Rapture, which is very likely an invention of the Luciferian Elitists designed to keep the masses waiting for someday. There is no day of the week called “Someday”.

“Pay no attention to the man behind the certain.” - Wizard of Oz

The problem as I understand it, is getting Religionists, and Nationalists to put down their brainwashing and recognize that we have allowed Narcissistic Luciferian Elitists to run things for far too long. We need to turn out the lights on this group by taking back our energy.

“I did not signup for this!” - Bill Ryen

"DARE to say NO to Narcissistic Luciferian Elitists!" - Thinker

Christianity is not the invention of a rabbi carpenter from Galilee; it is the invention of Rome. Rome was and is to this day Fascist. 300 years after the Galilean, Emperor Constantine made the Fascist State religion Christianity. This is why George W., Hitler and pedophiles have no conflict with being Christian. There are two Jesus in the New Testament, one from Galilee and the other fell to earth from heaven, as the story goes, his name in Latin is Lucifer, sometimes referred to as the deceiver. His likeness was commissioned by the Vatican. The Sun symbol behind his head lets you know what you are praying to. This is why Luciferian’ see him as god and Muslims see the Galilean as a profit. They are both right.

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[norman]

Having only read the bible from cover to cover just once, I'm no great schollar with this stuff but I'm very curious to understand where the idea of spiritualism came from in relation to the bible. I only ever found one reference to any spirit in the whole bible. It wasn't a "holy" spirit at all. It was when Saul was getting his ass whipped in a battle and he went to a "whore" for solace and asked her to 'bring up' Samuel so he could ask for his help/advice.

Seems to me that the bible has to first be retraced back through it's originations before we can make much archaeological sense of it. I totally agree with you about it being a product of Rome. With that out of the way, we then have to look into it's constituent parts piece by piece. I'm still quite sure there is a lot there to learn, but it's deffinately not anything to do with religion or any of the grand schemes that have ridden upon it since..

[Thinker]

I'm not sure you meant "religion" in your last sentence. Religion is a set of beliefs. The issue is; are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?

[Decibellistics]

I think the teachings embedded within the allegory we call the Bible referenced by Jesus are superb.
Though man has taken an idea so innocent and something that could be so helpful to many people and has bastardized it. Through money, control, etc.

They make people feel bad about being a human and having drives that humans are naturally supposed to have.

Therefore the lessons that could be learned are necessarily deceptive if read correctly as an allegory.......but they have been turned into a bastardization of what they originally were.

Buddha said the same crap Jesus did.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Thinker (here)
The problem as I understand it, is getting Religionists, and Nationalists to put down their brainwashing...

that would leave us with secularized globalism - coined Communism

hmmm who's working for this again ?

[norman]

Posted by RedeZra (here)


that would leave us with secularized globalism - coined Communism

My own view is that the "flip side" of these great and deadly profound coralls of simple faith is equally 'covered' by the established masters. Not so much so in the distant past, I suspect, but with the rise of science there has been a massive clasp on the 'other' side of it all. Secular is a cleverly intellectual sounding word but it's a "snatch" word that grabs us away from freedom of thought.

Just as there wouldn't be a spending power in great monetary wealth if there were'nt large numbers of desperately poor folk reaching out for a handfull of it, I suspect that great religous empires would not have influence without the flip side of "liberal" secularism being set up as the fall guy for anything and everything that such empires fail to account for about this life.

A slight aside; Barter could never really be the solution to wall street gambling because it is still based on the principle of "separation". I'm of an opinion that until we can somehow organise ourselves around a principle of value being based on what each of us "brings to the table", around which we all sit, we cannot shake off the shackles we've put ourselves in.

If anyone were to respond to my just stated position with a "flip-side" scenario of something like, errr.... "that's what communism was trying to do", I'd just say, stop and think about what it is we are up against here. Is it a monetary system?, is it a waring power structure?, no, I don't think it's either. As I read in in another of 'Thinker's' posts tonight, it's leaders that we are up against. That's the very basis of corruption and reduction. Thinker stated that "education" is the alternative. I think I agree with that, as long it's the real thing.

[Thinker]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
that would leave us with secularized globalism - coined Communism

hmmm who's working for this again ?

I was hoping for democracy. What does communism look like? I’ve only ever heard of dictatorships claiming to be communist. Why do fascists despise communism and socialism? Is the problem with fascism or socialism? The apparent cure for what ails communism is capitalism see Russia and China. Has anyone considered that we need no “ism” at all? Perhaps “ism” is a carrot dangled in front of a horse.

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[RedeZra]

Posted by norman
... it's leaders that we are up against. That's the very basis of corruption and reduction. Thinker stated that "education" is the alternative. I think I agree with that, as long it's the real thing.

let the church educate the elite

there they might pick up the idea that it's wrong to plot and kill to keep the earth to themselves

come to church communism and convert


Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by Tyrants - William Penn 'founder of Pennsylvania'

Posted by Thinker
I was hoping for democracy

democracy is dead and buried - RIP - we watched it on TV

[Thinker]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
let the church educate the elite

there they might pick up the idea that it's wrong to plot and kill to keep the earth to themselves

come to church communism and convert


Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by Tyrants - William Penn 'founder of Pennsylvania'




democracy is dead and buried - RIP - we watched it on TV

You seem rather final about democracy. Are you saying fascism is here to stay or are you just pointing out that democracy died?

[Ross]

Democracy has been sold to the masses as your 'free right' to vote for who you wish to govern you...A major deception...a manipulated method for you giving your consent to those who want to rule the many. There has never been a governing body that has the peoples best interest at heart.

Kinda off topic...sorry

Ross

[RedeZra]

Posted by Thinker (here)
You seem rather final about democracy. Are you saying fascism is here to stay or are you just pointing out that democracy died?

fascism is black communism and communism is red facism - it's the same coin

democracy is just a crazy dream


I am a knight and I want the King back

give me Monarchy - and not some shady men in secrecy

[Thinker]

Posted by Ross (here)
Democracy has been sold to the masses as your 'free right' to vote for who you wish to govern you...A major deception...a manipulated method for you giving your consent to those who want to rule the many. There has never been a governing body that has the peoples best interest at heart.

Kinda off topic...sorry

Ross

Looks on topic to me… I posed two problems Religionists and Nationalists brainwashing. Folks seem to prefer talking about Nationalism for now.

I know US democracy today is like that. It was different in Andrew Jackson’s day.

Most people think that after the Revolutionary War things settled down. The USA was in a cold war from then on.

It seems fascists are deathly afraid of democracy, socialism, and anarchy.

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[Thinker]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
fascism is black communism and communism is red facism - it's the same coin

democracy is just a crazy dream


I am a knight and I want the King back

give me Monarchy - and not some shady men in secrecy

What’s the difference between having a Narcissistic King and a Narcissistic Fascist Dictator? They are both void of compassion and empathy.

[Elandiel BernElve]

Don't you guys see that a system with which you want to control people, or send them into a direction is the foundation of corruption.

Whether it's a religious system with its moral laws and rules, or a dictatorship, communism, kapitalism or whatsoever.. it's always a form of unequal control.
Even democracy is ancient and unsuitable.. if a president wins the elections by 58 % still almost half of the country is left lost... it's as fair as someone coming into your house and starts redecorating the place whether you like it or not...

This world starts getting better when we loose the "i want to win at all cost" attitude. Everything in this society is achieved at the cost of someone or something else.
Watch David Icke's new vid on that subject.

Jesus was the first enlightened person who rejected but respected (yes he was a pacifist) any form of authority or cotnrol and sought purity and divinity by looking in the mirror and treating others how he would like to be treated.
He knew the key to God lays within and not with some form of a controlled society

important note: this is because the spiritual path of each person is different and no system available can handle, and suits all types and kinds of different individuals living nowadays.
if you want that you can put on a uniform and join the military and their game

if only none would achieve things at the cost of others... then logically crime, greed, and all other bad emotions and vices would not exist...

Jesus was true to his inner self and to the laws of creation, as should we all.

Seriously, people promoting any system of control at all still have some way to go, I'm convinced about it, altough i understand that in order to avoid total anarchy and chaos right now it's still necessery to keep it running until we're fully ready

and we're getting ready!!!! :D

[Deega]

Hi Thinker,

Great of you to start this Tread and what a challenge it is...!

"Are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?".

I'm not a scholar in Jesus Studies but what I read (one part in many) is the Roman wanted to get a grip, control on people in their conquered far away land. Unfortunately, I don't have a reference here.

I read something on Jesus the Essenes, where they were helping people in so many ways, and this seems to sit with reality (my personal opinion).

Is this beliefs based on reality or deception? I think we have to see it through a timeline and as far as information get, there were those who governed (Annunaki for Zachary Stichin, Romain for the Christian, etc.) the people, and the followers, similar to what we have today. Wouldn't be possible that the governing body stand to instill dogma to better control the people, yes, surely.

It probably would take ground in reality (conquered uncontrollable people) of controlling people. Over the years, the dogma did not follow the evolution of people so for it would stand now to be a deception.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Thinker]

I’ve always found it odd that people think anarchy needs to be avoided. The definition of anarchy is “the absence of governMENT", not Grand Theft Auto. MENT is the root of the Latin word “mentis” translated as (mind, thought, thinking, or belief) so another way of saying government would be govern-mind or mind-control. Presumably this means that anarchy is the absence of mind control or Luciferian deception. I’m not advocating an anarchist movement because most people think that is Grand Theft Auto. I’m advocating deprogramming the mind control. Wake-Up and Grow-Up become a human being capable of independent thought.

“You’ve been living in a dream world, Neo” where Anarchy means Grand Theft Auto. Do you need more evidence of the ways you have been tricked into this MATRIX of deception?

[danieljackson]

I believe that the bible has been written and re-written(refined) to suit the particular political needs of the day.

Constantine couldn't be seen by his people to be worshipping a mere man, so Jesus was elevated to the position of son of God.

It's a tool to make people behave themselves while no-one is looking.....

[Thinker]

Posted by Deega (here)
Hi Thinker,

Great of you to start this Tread and what a challenge it is...!

"Are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?".

I'm not a scholar in Jesus Studies but what I read (one part in many) is the Roman wanted to get a grip, control on people in their conquered far away land. Unfortunately, I don't have a reference here.

I read something on Jesus the Essenes, where they were helping people in so many ways, and this seems to sit with reality (my personal opinion).

Is this beliefs based on reality or deception? I think we have to see it through a timeline and as far as information get, there were those who governed (Annunaki for Zachary Stichin, Romain for the Christian, etc.) the people, and the followers, similar to what we have today. Wouldn't be possible that the governing body stand to instill dogma to better control the people, yes, surely.

It probably would take ground in reality (conquered uncontrollable people) of controlling people. Over the years, the dogma did not follow the evolution of people so for it would stand now to be a deception.

All my blessings.

Deega

Sorry Deega, I did not get your point or question. Please try again.

[Elandiel BernElve]

Posted by Thinker (here)
I’ve always found it odd that people think anarchy needs to be avoided. The definition of anarchy is “the absence of governMENT", not Grand Theft Auto.

I wouldnt mind anarchy if things would remain peaceful, but for it to work we ALL must be enlightened and civilized otherwise the barbarians will come and enslave us

[Deega]

Posted by Thinker (here)
Sorry Deega, I did not get your point or question. Please try again.

Hi Thinker,

You had an affirmation in prior post "Are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?" in reference to Religion and I, with my limited knowledge in Religion, was trying to point breifly if the establishment of Religion was founded on reality or deception!, maybe, this is not what you were expecting...!

All my blessings.

Deega