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    Default This is why I don't give you a job

    I found this very straightforward post from Andor Jakab and thought I'd share it with you:

    I could hire 12 people with €760 net salary, but I don't. I'll tell you why. You could work for my service provider company in a nice office. It's not telemarketing, it's not a scam. You would do serious work that requires high skills, 8 hours a day, weekdays only. I would employ you legally, I would pay your taxes and social security. I could give such a job to a dozen people, but I will not, and here I'll explain why.

    I wouldn't hire a woman.


    The reason is very simple: women give birth to children. I don't have the right to ask if she wanted to. If I had the right, and she answered, she could deliberately deceive me or she could change her mind.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't have any problem with women giving birth to children. That's how I was born and that's how my child was born. I wouldn't hire a woman because when she gets pregnant, she goes for 3 years maternity leave, during which I can't fire her. If she wants two children, the vacation is 6 years long.

    Of course, work has to be done, so I would have to hire somebody who works instead of her while she is whiling away her long holiday years. But not only couldn't I fire her while she's away, I couldn't fire her when she comes back either. So I would have to fire the one who's been working instead of her the whole time. When a woman comes back from maternity leave, I would be legally forced to increase her salary to the present level in her position. Also, I would be required to give out her normal vacation days, that she accumulated during her maternity leave. When she finally comes back to work, she would start with 2-4 months of fully paid vacation.

    I wouldn't hire people over 50 either.

    Not that I have any problem with the most experienced professionals. I wouldn't hire them, because they are soon in the protected age. And then I would be trapped with them, similar to the trap with employing women. You can't fire people in the protected age, so I would have to pay the salary and its total cost even if he or she doesn't work well, or at least up to acceptable standards. I couldn't fire the protected employee, but someone would have to do the job right; so I would have to hire another person. It's all right with me if they're protected, but then I won't hire them.

    I would only hire 25-50 years old men.


    They're also risky to hire. Since I don't have the right to fire them, if for any reason (I don't have enough income, or I don't like how they work) I want to. There's a high risk that they will go to court, and there's a high chance they will win. But this risk I would be prepared to handle.

    You would cost me €1572.

    (Read further on: http://andorjakab.blog.hu/2012/01/06...fefd863749cb46)

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    Default Re: This is why I don't give you a job

    fend off the rigged system and just do the work you are prompted to...
    your needs will be provided and all else will come into being now more than ever!

    ALL the bs has had its day!!!
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    Default Re: This is why I don't give you a job

    In California, if you're OVER 25 no one will hire you. And, if you're over 30 and not already established in Acting, forget about it. Even A good majority that are will loose work after they turn 30. And, if you're over qualified, even at 18 they wont hire you.
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    i tought the vacation time and pregnancy/motherhood times off were good in Canada compared with US for workers, but there, it is dream country for workers. The only problem is that their buying power in Hungary is really bad. Little revenues for high prices.

    What this is describing is the old communist system reconverted into a seemingly capitalist system but still with more corruption than before it seems. Power has just changed hand, from politburo to criminals and crooks.

    There is all kind of studies demonstrating that when taxation is over 60% of revenues, including salary taxes, sales taxes, etc, the system will start to have generalised corruption and black market workers that do not pay taxes. Therefore, infrastructure will start declining, living conditions too, unemployment will increase and lots of workers will have no protection whatsoever.

    Canada has reach this point in most provinces (except the oil rich Alberta).

    US is next, but they will remain with their meager 2 months maternity lieave and 2 weeks yearly vacation (this must be dream land for Hungarian entrepreneurs).
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    Default Re: This is why I don't give you a job

    Stuck in the old world dogma, are we?.
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    Release your hurt, give up your worry.
    The guilty past, the future fear -
    Neither one holds meaning here.

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    Default Re: This is why I don't give you a job

    If you are meant to get the job, you will get the job, no matter your age, or sex, or nationality, or level of ability. There is a Divine purpose behind all human relations that goes deeper than any superficial understanding of any and all employers.

    This particular employer, though he sees his world in black and white, simply expresses, to me, a plaintive cry to connect with this deeper purpose. As soon as you think you've nailed something, it's then that the parameters shift. For example, a woman could come into this man's life, and he falls in love with her, hires her, she has children to him, and he never again complains about having to pay maternity leave.

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    Default Re: This is why I don't give you a job

    Quote Posted by Violet (here)
    I found this very straightforward post from Andor Jakab and thought I'd share it with you:

    I wouldn't hire a woman.[/B]

    The reason is very simple: women give birth to children. I don't have the right to ask if she wanted to. If I had the right, and she answered, she could deliberately deceive me or she could change her mind.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't have any problem with women giving birth to children. That's how I was born and that's how my child was born. I wouldn't hire a woman because when she gets pregnant, she goes for 3 years maternity leave, during which I can't fire her. If she wants two children, the vacation is 6 years long.

    Of course, work has to be done, so I would have to hire somebody who works instead of her while she is whiling away her long holiday years. But not only couldn't I fire her while she's away, I couldn't fire her when she comes back either. So I would have to fire the one who's been working instead of her the whole time. When a woman comes back from maternity leave, I would be legally forced to increase her salary to the present level in her position. Also, I would be required to give out her normal vacation days, that she accumulated during her maternity leave. When she finally comes back to work, she would start with 2-4 months of fully paid vacation.

    I wouldn't hire people over 50 either.

    Not that I have any problem with the most experienced professionals. I wouldn't hire them, because they are soon in the protected age. And then I would be trapped with them, similar to the trap with employing women. You can't fire people in the protected age, so I would have to pay the salary and its total cost even if he or she doesn't work well, or at least up to acceptable standards. I couldn't fire the protected employee, but someone would have to do the job right; so I would have to hire another person. It's all right with me if they're protected, but then I won't hire them.

    I would only hire 25-50 years old men.


    They're also risky to hire. Since I don't have the right to fire them, if for any reason (I don't have enough income, or I don't like how they work) I want to. There's a high risk that they will go to court, and there's a high chance they will win. But this risk I would be prepared to handle.
    I'm totally disgusted with this attitude. Why doesn't he GO TO HELL! It's all lies intended to get the sheeple to become beggars. The fact is, if he had a good business & needed workers he'd hire them. Clearly he's not doing well & just wants to cut costs. here's proof from his blog: "Andor Jakab
    In Hungary, it's not funny anymore. Here I blog, giving you insight. No comment, but here I am andorjakab@gmail.com, I also Facebook."
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    Default Re: This is why I don't give you a job

    Time to change thought and consideration to higher frequencies and come up with better solutions. Many years ago when I was hiring people for our business we hired part-time employees or individual contractors in order to limit the liabilities.

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    It doesn't sound like your company is worth it. Judging from my own experience with a cold company like yours is that YOU wouldn't be loyal to your employees,no matter how qualified they are. There would be no job security. Eventually, ppl age. Or circumstances in their lives would change. You'd fire them anyway, right?Your company's policies are from the dark ages where women and young ppl are less than nothing. Can we assume that it'll only be white males between 25 and 50,too?
    You have a right set up your rules as you see fit, but how long do you think it would be before protests/lawsuits against your unfair practices begin? If you're hoping to see your company grow, you might want to reconsider your policies... Some of the ppl you've excluded turn out to be the most qualified and loyal employees ever. You'll stunt your company's growth, for sure...
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    6 years? you have got to be kidding me. in the us its 3 months.

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    In South Africa - you are lucky to be employed if your skin is a certain colour - even if you are a citizen. The regime in South Africa is probably the only one in the world which uses affirmative action to protect the majority against the minority. It is written into the law and is called "Employment Equity".
    I guess being 50 and not the correct colour means - potential employers simply hit the "delete" button.........

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    I agree with the maternity issue. It's not fair that all companies should pay for it - particularly small business owners.
    Maybe some sort of insurance or bond paid by the woman would be better to cover costs? However, if a person has given a lengthy service to their employer then they should be helped by them.

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    All I have to say is it is incredibly hard to be an employer and self employed. I recently (past year) closed down two businesses of which together I employed 10 to 15 people. Closed them because the taxes ate me alive . . . . if you did everything legally, credit became ridiculous and rules and regulations are impossible to understand and follow as an employer and owning your own business.

    Quite frankly and I’ll get hammered on this one . . . . It was becoming harder and harder to find individuals that would actually work and had the skills to do their work effectively. Some of my best employees were older but couldn’t physically do the work in one of my businesses. I just shut everything down and now setting up a life and business that I can largely handle on my own and hire when I need to.

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    I get really annoyed by employers like this.They think behind the curb instead of ahead. Since he had a bad experience with a stereo type then he totally writes a whole pool of prospects off. As this continues, he pretty soon will find that he has limited himself because he can't see people for who they really are.
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    any one worth their salt will take a hi commission only based on efforts approach in this market PMA positive mental attitude always willing to shake the money tree.

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    You cannot have a successful small business that needs capital to grow when you have people who will eat all your profits by getting pregnant and getting paid on maternity leave for years, so basically when you needed an employee and could afford to pay them 40,000 a year (a liveable wage for many in the U.S.) if you had to now hire another person at another 40,000 a year, now you are 40,000 in the tank and only getting the work from one. So, let's say he is making a profit and wants to grow. Do you risk hiring a woman who could get pregnant next week or a man who won't? Do you risk hiring an older person who might be great, but who also might be lazy as hell? No you dont because you did not start a business to create jobs, you started a business to make a profit and provide a product or service. If you cannot even make ends meet after hiring one or two people who don't work out and you can't fire them, you're dead in the water!

    And we wonder why Greece and other socialist systems are falling apart when they have lavish vacation time, retirement ages and benefits. Social Security started out with the idea that people would not get it for very long. They'd retire at 65 and be dead on average by 70. There were 10 workers for every 1 in retirement. There was plenty of money in the system to afford it. Now, people retire at 65 and live to 85 or 80. That's 15 to 20 years on social security! There are last I saw 3 workers for every one receiving social security. It's broken and no one wants to do what's necessary to fix it, but those of us under a 50 who still pay our percentage into and can't invest it another way will never see the benefit. We can't invest it and we won't get it.

    I understand where this guy is coming from. It's easy to say he has a bad business or he would have a better business and loyal employees if he changed his mind, but do you know anyone who calls in sick when they are not? Do you know anyone who is on disability and you think is capable of working? Do you know anyone who wouldn't mind slipping in a store so they can sue them and get a quick 10,000 dollars to make the suit go away? It all adds up. We pay for it in higher prices for goods / benefits and less opportunity for work.

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    Greece and other socialist governments fall apart for the same reason we are falling apart. Corruption and theft at the administrative government levels. The old rightist concept of welfare state kills the system is a lie. Theft and incompetence at the top is always the problem whatever the system, right or left.

    The right gets a finger pointed at it because it has had its way many a time in the US and the more the money went to the top the more it disappeared from the system and into offshore accounts. It is time to clear out the old and false programming. Things come out of our mouths that we don't really mean. They got put there by someone lying to us and us agreeing with them.

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    Default Re: This is why I don't give you a job

    While I agree about there being corruption at the top Modwiz, are you saying that a person who is trying to start a business under the circumstances I described is the problem? That there are not people at the bottom who abuse the system as well and therefore the small business owner is the problem because they are at the top? It's not the government getting the money per say in regards to the small business trying to hire people under the circumstances the guy said he was dealing with, but people not working whom he cannot fire and he cannot afford to hire others to fill that spot or he has no profits to grow the business or take care of himself and his family.

    I think there are problems at the top and bottom.

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    I'm leaving California next week, goin to the NW, greater opportunity and higher literacy. I'm not looking forward to the rain, although I'm kinda used to it, having lived there most my life.

    I'm over 50, way over qualified for most jobs, have been unemployed here in California over 2 years. It's tough, but I'm very optimistic, can't be anything else. We've gotten very frugal, spend only on essentials and let the rest go.

    We still share what little we have with our neighbors who have children and are worse off even than we are. Today I'm plastering our neighbors house for free, it's alot of work but I like to keep busy and they do so appreciate it. I really try to keep in good spirits, a light and loving heart. I've had to ask for help and am thankful it has been given.

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    Quote Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
    And we wonder why Greece and other socialist systems are falling apart when they have lavish vacation time, retirement ages and benefits.
    Are you sure about this, Serenity. That it has nothing to do with Greece being given a currency that was designed to fail in the first place?
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