The wait for December 21, 2012

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by meat suit (here)
how about this:
this planet is a farm, we are being farmed, farming is seasonal, this season ends 21.12.2012
its all change when the season is over.
but nothing is over until its over...

stay alert and be ready for changes

You know that's very insightful and is worth exploring. Why has the NWO pushed movies and all this hype about 2012 unless they plan to use the various groups to push this date all while looking like they are against alternative truth movement yet let the truth movement all get in a dither pro or con about 2012. The NWO is backed by those groups and foundations set up to change our world. 2012 discussion is all about CHANGE, we even had the last American Election focus on what? HOPE and CHANGE was the message, but did anything change for the positive in the past three years for us besides more war, more economic destruction, more anger and the further erosion of our rights across many nations! Yet, here we sit navel gazing often about our enlightenment while nothing has changed positively in our world which is evident to the common man.

So, if there is a harvest coming it appears we are set up in our various camps to want it! Are we running off a cliff with our chosen sign hanging above it of enlightenment, ascension, armegeddon to achieve salvation, rapture, etc.. Are we being kept happily busy and in the human sacrifice to come thus playing out a very ancient game of chess? I think there is merit in this line of thought, thanks.

[NeverMind]

what should we do? Because we need to do something!

live.

:)

[meat suit]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by meat suit (here)
how about this:
this planet is a farm, we are being farmed, farming is seasonal, this season ends 21.12.2012
its all change when the season is over.
but nothing is over until its over...

stay alert and be ready for changes

You know that's very insightful and is worth exploring. Why has the NWO pushed movies and all this hype about 2012 unless they plan to use the various groups to push this date all while looking like they are against alternative truth movement yet let the truth movement all get in a dither pro or con about 2012. The NWO is backed by those groups and foundations set up to change our world. 2012 discussion is all about CHANGE, we even had the last American Election focus on what? HOPE and CHANGE was the message, but did anything change for the positive in the past three years for us besides more war, more economic destruction, more anger and the further erosion of our rights across many nations! Yet, here we sit navel gazing often about our enlightenment while nothing has changed positively in our world which is evident to the common man.

So, if there is a harvest coming it appears we are set up in our various camps to want it! Are we running off a cliff with our chosen sign hanging above it of enlightenment, ascension, armegeddon to achieve salvation, rapture, etc.. Are we being kept happily busy and in the human sacrifice to come thus playing out a very ancient game of chess? I think there is merit in this line of thought, thanks.

well, how about it then all changes,,,, say in the farm enviroment the (nwo) pigs bully the (99%) chickens, but when the season is over the pigs go somwhere and the chickens go somewhere else, never to engage in that way again. I cant help thinking that it will be a totally differrent enviroment with different rules.

you could invent an underwater game where 5 divers have to share 3 air supplies, keep it going for long enough and you could have a situation where one diver has taken over 1 air supply and 4 divers have to share the other 2 air supplies. now imagine the divers have forgotten that eventually they will surface again when the game is over.
now a prophecy makes the rounds that the world ends on a specific date , the fearful divers believe that their air supply will get further reduced.........the fearless divers believe that the air will be unlimited in the new world....but because they forgot where they came from in the first place , nobody really knows.....

[christian]

Posted by meat suit (here)
how about this:
this planet is a farm, we are being farmed, farming is seasonal, this season ends 21.12.2012
its all change when the season is over.

Farmers usually cannot tell the exact date for anything for a long time in advance, for they have to adapt to the weather etc.

But your thought is interesting nevertheless, because there are very predictable cosmic movements that do change things in an instant, whether or not this correlates necessarily with anything concerning human life on earth will remain to be seen.

[BestLion]

If it wasn't for what I see happening in the real world I would dismiss 2012 out of hand.

Weill since your god give us such knowledge your forsake? You seem so enlighten on the topic and have many thanks..please tell.....? Your so wise..please tell.............us fools only read so much..

[Laurel]

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
I don't think you could go wrong planting some vegetables :-)
Detoxing the body as much as possible.
mulling over spiritual matters.
Finding forgiveness for yourself and others.
Showing love to your friends and family (and strangers, and yourself)... NOT 'showering them with love and light' - that's a crock.

Posted by Chiquetet (here)
- live the kind of lifestyle I see as healthy, harmonious, wholesome, creative and productive
- support alternative projects/communities: farming, building, the whole process of creating and maintaining, coming together learning and teaching
- enjoying life, for beauty is always everywhere
- meditate, balance, harmonize
- generally 'see a need and offer help'
- be flexible when tasks and opportunities present themselves

I completely agree with Wolf and Chiquetet.
No matter what happens, this is the best inspiration to "clean house".

[BestLion]

We don't need a mayan calendar

your such a subject matter expect. Glad I am here to listen to you!..a question where you born yesterday>? We are on the galactic center...Dec 21 2012. Change WILL happen.......

[Falcor]

its ok to agree to disagree

[peace]

go outside. do good. do something. don't worry so much about this. nothing will happen. if/when i'm wrong (I'm not) can only be too soon because this is peddlers selling 'magic tonic' that fixes all your physical ailments and cleans your kitchen sink.
go.
do.
something.
else.
with.
the.
energy.

addition: I'd be happy to start selling 2012 insurance to all interesed. if/when everything goes down terribly your cash will come back - until then send me your money, i'll keep you safe
get it? it's doing that with your energy.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by BestLion (here)

If it wasn't for what I see happening in the real world I would dismiss 2012 out of hand.

Weill since your god give us such knowledge your forsake? You seem so enlighten on the topic and have many thanks..please tell.....? Your so wise..please tell.............us fools only read so much..

You are more than welcome to read:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...her-as-planned

Please do not continue with ad hominem attacks as they are neither insightful nor are they respectful. I am here for sharing of ideas and communicating with others who wish to do so politely.

[joedjemal]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)

If it wasn't for what I see happening in the real world I would dismiss 2012 out of hand.

Weill since your god give us such knowledge your forsake? You seem so enlighten on the topic and have many thanks..please tell.....? Your so wise..please tell.............us fools only read so much..

You are more than welcome to read:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...her-as-planned

Please do not continue with ad hominem attacks as they are neither insightful nor are they respectful. I am here for sharing of ideas and communicating with others who wish to do so politely.

Doesn't bother me Serenity, I've been getting up a few peoples noses recently cos I like to analyse.

Lots of exponential curves going vertical, in population, knowledge and information, money supply, ecosystem destruction, resource use etc etc etc something has to give or a phase change has to happen. And it looks like it happens this year

[Falcor]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
You know that's very insightful and is worth exploring. Why has the NWO pushed movies and all this hype about 2012 unless they plan to use the various groups to push this date all while looking like they are against alternative truth movement yet let the truth movement all get in a dither pro or con about 2012. The NWO is backed by those groups and foundations set up to change our world. 2012 discussion is all about CHANGE, we even had the last American Election focus on what? HOPE and CHANGE was the message, but did anything change for the positive in the past three years for us besides more war, more economic destruction, more anger and the further erosion of our rights across many nations! Yet, here we sit navel gazing often about our enlightenment while nothing has changed positively in our world which is evident to the common man.

So, if there is a harvest coming it appears we are set up in our various camps to want it! Are we running off a cliff with our chosen sign hanging above it of enlightenment, ascension, armegeddon to achieve salvation, rapture, etc.. Are we being kept happily busy and in the human sacrifice to come thus playing out a very ancient game of chess? I think there is merit in this line of thought, thanks.

idk for me it all boils down to persepective. what is a curse to one, might be a blessing to another. what you view as nothing positive happening in recent years, i view as necessary.

it isnt always easy to watch the injustice and suffering of the world. but we must accept that it is all a necessary step of growth. our current state of affairs serve as a catalyst for us to wake up to what is important in life. at the end of the day, its not our job to change the world. its our job is to accept life on all levels, for it is all a part of the creator. those of us that see things from this perspective, understand it is more important to master the self (naval gazing enlightenment lol) and to embrace the world as it is, without resisting.

hate yet never dispelled hate, only love can do that. it is best to look upon all conflicts within and outside of yourself with love. 'its always darkest before the dawn' but in time, love conquers all

[ghostrider]

Posted by StarSeed (here)
What should we do before the December 21st? The day when the timelines will merge. The day when the cosmic Superwave known as Nexus might arrive. Are all of us just going to wait for that magic date when we are supposedly going to ascend? Are we going to continue living our lives doing nothing? Is meditation enough? Virtually anything can happen in a year. The clock is ticking, 337 days left.

What should we do? Because we need to do something!

Please do share your thoughts and suggestions.

the wave hits us and our dormant abilities awaken. The ptb become afraid of us and have to retreat underground. they can no longer live among awake minds. we can read their thoughts.

[Sesan]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by meat suit (here)
how about this:
this planet is a farm, we are being farmed, farming is seasonal, this season ends 21.12.2012
its all change when the season is over.
but nothing is over until its over...

stay alert and be ready for changes

You know that's very insightful and is worth exploring. Why has the NWO pushed movies and all this hype about 2012 unless they plan to use the various groups to push this date all while looking like they are against alternative truth movement yet let the truth movement all get in a dither pro or con about 2012. The NWO is backed by those groups and foundations set up to change our world. 2012 discussion is all about CHANGE, we even had the last American Election focus on what? HOPE and CHANGE was the message, but did anything change for the positive in the past three years for us besides more war, more economic destruction, more anger and the further erosion of our rights across many nations! Yet, here we sit navel gazing often about our enlightenment while nothing has changed positively in our world which is evident to the common man.

So, if there is a harvest coming it appears we are set up in our various camps to want it! Are we running off a cliff with our chosen sign hanging above it of enlightenment, ascension, armegeddon to achieve salvation, rapture, etc.. Are we being kept happily busy and in the human sacrifice to come thus playing out a very ancient game of chess? I think there is merit in this line of thought, thanks.

Wellsaid Unified Serenity......well said.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Falcor (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
You know that's very insightful and is worth exploring. Why has the NWO pushed movies and all this hype about 2012 unless they plan to use the various groups to push this date all while looking like they are against alternative truth movement yet let the truth movement all get in a dither pro or con about 2012. The NWO is backed by those groups and foundations set up to change our world. 2012 discussion is all about CHANGE, we even had the last American Election focus on what? HOPE and CHANGE was the message, but did anything change for the positive in the past three years for us besides more war, more economic destruction, more anger and the further erosion of our rights across many nations! Yet, here we sit navel gazing often about our enlightenment while nothing has changed positively in our world which is evident to the common man.

So, if there is a harvest coming it appears we are set up in our various camps to want it! Are we running off a cliff with our chosen sign hanging above it of enlightenment, ascension, armegeddon to achieve salvation, rapture, etc.. Are we being kept happily busy and in the human sacrifice to come thus playing out a very ancient game of chess? I think there is merit in this line of thought, thanks.

idk for me it all boils down to persepective. what is a curse to one, might be a blessing to another. what you view as nothing positive happening in recent years, i view as necessary.

it isnt always easy to watch the injustice and suffering of the world. but we must accept that it is all a necessary step of growth. our current state of affairs serve as a catalyst for us to wake up to what is important in life. at the end of the day, its not our job to change the world. its our job is to accept life on all levels, for it is all a part of the creator. those of us that see things from this perspective, understand it is more important to master the self (naval gazing enlightenment lol) and to embrace the world as it is, without resisting.

hate yet never dispelled hate, only love can do that. it is best to look upon all conflicts within and outside of yourself with love. 'its always darkest before the dawn' but in time, love conquers all

Hello Falcor,

Please don't misunderstand me as I have done plenty of navel gazing, but as this thread brought up some questions of what are we going to do or what are we currently doing seemingly outwardly though inward growth is of value, if it (the topics and ideas many including myself love to study here) only keeps us sitting and thinking then are we doing much to benefit the world or just waiting it out?

As for

its our job is to accept life on all levels, for it is all a part of the creator. those of us that see things from this perspective, understand it is more important to master the self (naval gazing enlightenment lol) and to embrace the world as it is, without resisting.

I am not sure what you mean by "accept life on all levels" to mean not to judge what is happening or to not try to do anything to affect our environment which includes the laws of our land and where our leaders are trying to take us. My Country has lost it's Constitution for all intents and purposes. We have the rule of a dictator and politicians who swore oaths to defend it, and yet for over 100 years they have seditiously broken that oath. I live in a Republic that most who live here think is a democracy. We have had our system attacked from within via a 5th column who uses our very system to implement unjust laws and now we have a president who thinks he can just create departments, czars, and use those departments to implement policy which is not voted on by our Congress. All of these things affect each citizen, our economy, quality of life, and our childrens future opportunity to pursue happiness or have liberty. So, I choose not to just accept what I see going on around me.

I see the clever use of changing names of past failed systems in what appear to be successful attempts to implement the changes which an old failed system wanted worldwide. They've spent over 50 years actively undermining a very successful system which built one of the greatest nations this world has ever known. Evil men abused the system of Capitalism and gave room for the changes, and yet when I study those greedy barons of industry I see further evidence of a tactic to move things along to ultimately have the people reject the capitalist system in favor of a NEW system with it's pretty new names, but same goals as the old system based on their own writings which reflect the writings of the founders of Communism. We are marching quickly to this new world order, and once there is enough chaos they have a solution. I dare say that those millions of victims of the past failed system would tell us today not to simply "embrace the world as it is, without resisting". They would scream for us to resist with all of our collective might!

They would warn us and wonder how we do not see the sea of their blood soaking into their fatherlands. They would cry and weep for us who are too blind to see it just as they were, and wonder how in such a short time we have forgotten them.

I've just watched this and find it interesting. It has 8 parts:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdPmNTJEA6Y

[Falcor]

us - i also live in the united states. granted i am younger then most and have not 'seen' the changes you speak of, i can appreciate and mostly agree with your view points. but i do believe everything is perfect as it is, regardless of my perspective on any given subject

i understand that many have been affected, many are upset and are suffering. but, many are awakening because of their suffering. many are finally questioning their reality as a result of their suffering. many are finally learning to think for themselves and to listen to their heart. many of us are learning the true meaning of detachment through these times.

im a firm believer in the old saying what you resist persists. as long as we put more energy into the suffering and the 'nwo' agenda than into what is important in our lives, we are feeding that which we do not agree with. i think its important that we meet even that which we do not agree with, with love. and even more important for us to be the change we wish to see in the world. want more love in this world? give more love in your daily life. after all, what else can you do?

gandhi is a fine example, of how love conquers all

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Falcor (here)
us - i also live in the united states. granted i am younger then most and have not 'seen' the changes you speak of, i can appreciate and mostly agree with your view points. but i do believe everything is perfect as it is, regardless of my perspective on any given subject

i understand that many have been affected, many are upset and are suffering. but, many are awakening because of their suffering. many are finally questioning their reality as a result of their suffering. many are finally learning to think for themselves and to listen to their heart. many of us are learning the true meaning of detachment through these times.

im a firm believer in the old saying what you resist persists. as long as we put more energy into the suffering and the 'nwo' agenda than into what is important in our lives, we are feeding that which we do not agree with. i think its important that we meet even that which we do not agree with, with love. and even more important for us to be the change we wish to see in the world. want more love in this world? give more love in your daily life. after all, what else can you do?

gandhi is a fine example, of how love conquers all

You make very good points Falcor, and love is the most important aspect in how we live our lives and deal with one another. I am asking you this sincerely, would you respond passively and with simple love if tonight someone came and ruined your car, broke into your house and ruined all you have, stole from you, beat you and if you have children or family there beat them, then went into your bank account and stole all of your money and your families money? Now imagine they did it all legally. Now imagine that you lost your job, your home, and were thrown into jail by this same person.

I want you to really read the above slowly, feel it all, not just go , "yeh yeh, I'd not resist, I'd in fact give them it all, and help them do it because I am love and those are just possessions". I really want you to imagine someone for no apparent reason walking up to you say in a bar or restaurant, slamming your head into a wall and abusing you, oh let's say sexually explicit things you would never consent to. Imagine that, would you just say accept it and love them? After all it's for your own spiritual development.

I guarantee you that the normal reaction to stop someone from abusing you is right. If someone walks up to someone and shoves them or takes a swing at them they duck or try to stop it. If someone just comes up to a person and starts beating the crap out of them they put their hands up at least to resist the beating if they can. Most would try to block the attack and might even hit them back, but not all would do that. They would instinctively try to protect themselves. How is that being less evolved? My examples are extreme, but if you look at what is being done systematically to our country, to other countries via those who control our military and also financial markets around the world, it is just that extreme.

People have worked their whole lives and have been robbed blind these last few years by those in power. Our liberties are gone, our freedom is gone, and we are headed for a solution they have crafted for a very long time. Certainly people turn inwardly for spiritual guidance during dire times. There are no athiests in foxholes when the bombs are coming towards them and bullets are flying around them. It is normal, but who is causing this negative activity? Is it truly necessary to have this happen for us to grow spiritually? If we ever get past this and do evolve then this behavior will stop? If that is so, then how will the coming generations learn to grow spiritually if we had to have the negative environment to cause us to grow? If there is an answer to that question of proper environment of love lived daily by all, then why can't that happen now, and why isn't it with the millions who are enlightened?

Honestly, I do believe we are on a divine plan, and this does all have to happen for us to truly grow to truly understand love, mercy, and responsibility as one being with the creator to continue on Her divine plan. (If you don't know much about me, I believe God is not really a male or female, but I like throwing in "HER" occaisionally just because if feels better than always seeing HIM, and I don't like "It" or "Source" because I do know God/dess and we are very much loved by God/dess). Sorry for the explanation there, I just didn't want you scratching your head about how I think regarding God or Goddess. So, it's all meant to happen, but I do not believe those doing the negative things to our world do so without being opposed, but for us to know the truth of why the things are happening and for those who can wake up to truly know why they follow what they follow and not just do so cause they liked some feel good message. I do think many in the alternative truth movement are just trying to cash in and don't really understand that the very things they say they hate could be the ultimate goal of the one's who set things into motion thousands of years ago.

[Operator]

Posted by BestLion (here)
..the day we enter the cosmic center of our galaxy.

Can you please explain what you mean ?

1. What is a cosmic center ?
2. Where did you get this idea from ?

[joedjemal]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by Falcor (here)
us - i also live in the united states. granted i am younger then most and have not 'seen' the changes you speak of, i can appreciate and mostly agree with your view points. but i do believe everything is perfect as it is, regardless of my perspective on any given subject

i understand that many have been affected, many are upset and are suffering. but, many are awakening because of their suffering. many are finally questioning their reality as a result of their suffering. many are finally learning to think for themselves and to listen to their heart. many of us are learning the true meaning of detachment through these times.

im a firm believer in the old saying what you resist persists. as long as we put more energy into the suffering and the 'nwo' agenda than into what is important in our lives, we are feeding that which we do not agree with. i think its important that we meet even that which we do not agree with, with love. and even more important for us to be the change we wish to see in the world. want more love in this world? give more love in your daily life. after all, what else can you do?

gandhi is a fine example, of how love conquers all

You make very good points Falcor, and love is the most important aspect in how we live our lives and deal with one another. I am asking you this sincerely, would you respond passively and with simple love if tonight someone came and ruined your car, broke into your house and ruined all you have, stole from you, beat you and if you have children or family there beat them, then went into your bank account and stole all of your money and your families money? Now imagine they did it all legally. Now imagine that you lost your job, your home, and were thrown into jail by this same person.

I want you to really read the above slowly, feel it all, not just go , "yeh yeh, I'd not resist, I'd in fact give them it all, and help them do it because I am love and those are just possessions". I really want you to imagine someone for no apparent reason walking up to you say in a bar or restaurant, slamming your head into a wall and abusing you, oh let's say sexually explicit things you would never consent to. Imagine that, would you just say accept it and love them? After all it's for your own spiritual development.

I guarantee you that the normal reaction to stop someone from abusing you is right. If someone walks up to someone and shoves them or takes a swing at them they duck or try to stop it. If someone just comes up to a person and starts beating the crap out of them they put their hands up at least to resist the beating if they can. Most would try to block the attack and might even hit them back, but not all would do that. They would instinctively try to protect themselves. How is that being less evolved? My examples are extreme, but if you look at what is being done systematically to our country, to other countries via those who control our military and also financial markets around the world, it is just that extreme.

People have worked their whole lives and have been robbed blind these last few years by those in power. Our liberties are gone, our freedom is gone, and we are headed for a solution they have crafted for a very long time. Certainly people turn inwardly for spiritual guidance during dire times. There are no athiests in foxholes when the bombs are coming towards them and bullets are flying around them. It is normal, but who is causing this negative activity? Is it truly necessary to have this happen for us to grow spiritually? If we ever get past this and do evolve then this behavior will stop? If that is so, then how will the coming generations learn to grow spiritually if we had to have the negative environment to cause us to grow? If there is an answer to that question of proper environment of love lived daily by all, then why can't that happen now, and why isn't it with the millions who are enlightened?

Honestly, I do believe we are on a divine plan, and this does all have to happen for us to truly grow to truly understand love, mercy, and responsibility as one being with the creator to continue on Her divine plan. (If you don't know much about me, I believe God is not really a male or female, but I like throwing in "HER" occaisionally just because if feels better than always seeing HIM, and I don't like "It" or "Source" because I do know God/dess and we are very much loved by God/dess). Sorry for the explanation there, I just didn't want you scratching your head about how I think regarding God or Goddess. So, it's all meant to happen, but I do not believe those doing the negative things to our world do so without being opposed, but for us to know the truth of why the things are happening and for those who can wake up to truly know why they follow what they follow and not just do so cause they liked some feel good message. I do think many in the alternative truth movement are just trying to cash in and don't really understand that the very things they say they hate could be the ultimate goal of the one's who set things into motion thousands of years ago.

When I find myself facing an opponent who wants to harm me and mine (and I do my utmost to avoid being in that situation at all, but sometimes there's a lesson to be learned and no avoiding possible ) I study them and find their weaknesses whilst seeming passive and calm then (never with violence) I stomp on them as hard as I possibly can while trying to make sure it's impossible to hit back. I use words. Only had to do it two or three times, I cause no physical harm but they never bother me again.

If you find yourself in a situation where you must defend yourself the first blow, in whatever form it takes, must be surprising and utterly devastating or you will likely lose. But you must wait until the weakness is completely obvious.

Passive surrender means you'll get eaten alive.

The best defense in my experience is to go with the flow of the universe, if you're in kairos you'll be safe.

[merkabagirll]

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