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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    Red, still you do not say whether you have listened to the video's. What do you think of Bigono's literal translation.
    i trust Jesus got the Commandments right in the New Testament which confirms the Commandments in the Old Testament

    so i do not trust Biglino
    So you have not listened to the conference video, and you would rather put your faith in MANS interpretation rather than a literal translation, Says it all i suppose.


    you are just too lazy to cross-check this new information from Biglino and so you copy-paste it to the forum as a new truth
    Here we go again, now you lower yourself to playground name calling, although i have no need to justify myself to you, i will repeat what i said on page one of this thread, I have read the bible many times, as a book, beginning on page one, for more than 40yrs, also the books that have been left out, Enoch for example, Gnostic and dead sea scrolls,

    And what Biglino has revealed from his expert literal translations, i agree with, it resonates with my own personal research.

    One of my findings in the bible that i am surprised Biglino does not mention, ( maybe he does in his book ) is in Exodus 13- 21-22

    20. They set out from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the desert.
    21. Yahweh preceded them, by day in a pillar of cloud to show them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could march by day and by night.
    22. The pillar of cloud never left its place ahead of the people during the day, nor the pillar of fire during the night.

    Red can you explain what the "piller of cloud and fire" is that Yahweh was traveling in.

    then we can carry on disgussing the master of Hebrew, Mr, Biglino
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Welcome to Avalon Delight, nice to have you onboard.
    Thanks Billji

    When someone has read Biglino's book, I'd like to know if the English translation is worth buying.

    Sigh... reading Italian (not to mention source languages) would sure help us all understand more. Telepathy will be even better.

    In the mean time ... we will just keep pedaling till we reach the truth... (hehe) Delight

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    Welcome to Avalon Delight, nice to have you onboard.
    Thanks Billji

    When someone has read Biglino's book, I'd like to know if the English translation is worth buying.

    Sigh... reading Italian (not to mention source languages) would sure help us all understand more. Telepathy will be even better.

    In the mean time ... we will just keep pedaling till we reach the truth... (hehe) Delight
    Haha Delight, I wonder if Adam and Eve are still pedaling away.
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    you are just too lazy to cross-check this new information from Biglino and so you copy-paste it to the forum as a new truth
    Here we go again, now you lower yourself to playground name calling, although i have no need to justify myself to you, i will repeat what i said on page one of this thread, I have read the bible many times, as a book, beginning on page one, for more than 40yrs, also the books that have been left out, Enoch for example, Gnostic and dead sea scrolls,

    And what Biglino has revealed from his expert literal translations, i agree with, it resonates with my own personal research.
    okay so you are not lazy but feel no need to check and cross-check the so called 'literal translation' from Blingo as it resonates with your own personal research


    Jesus was a Jew as was the Apostles who wrote the New Testament in Greek

    as you know the Apostles followed Jesus around and they put down in writing what they heard and saw

    Jesus is on record in the New Testament Greek mentioning the Commandments of the Hebrew Old Testament



    Quote And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " - Luke 4:8

    "God [is] Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - John 4:24

    "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy [against] the Spirit will not be forgiven men. - Matthew 12:31

    And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. - Mark 2:27

    "You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not bear false witness,' 'Do not defraud,' 'Honor your father and your mother.' " - Mark 10:19



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    Red can you explain what the "piller of cloud and fire" is that Yahweh was traveling in.

    then we can carry on disgussing the master of Hebrew, Mr, Biglino


    God is Spirit and Fire



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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    G'day All,

    First, before anything else, I would like to thank billyji for presenting Biglino's work. I have found it very interesting and well worth the time taken to watch and review. I appreciate his statement (trans. pt1, 04:40): 'I do not have a truth that can replace the faith truths.' I view this is important as Biglino is stating facts regards translation from source material and not trying to actively influence the opinion of those of "faith". In other words, my preference for "conversation not conversion" seems important to Biglino in his presentation of translations. A refreshing change from the usual egotistical "this is how it is and everybody else is wrong" that is so often found in these sorts of presentations (though there are a few moments where he wonders from this).

    It is good that Biglino continually reminds his audience that the Israelite people gradually formed as a homogeneous group and that the Hebrew language did not exist until it was developed much later (though there are those who challenge this timeline). This is a point that is often forgotten when people discuss the origin of the Tanakh as well as the origins of the Israelite people themselves. While some who adopt a version of the 'Bible' (which comes from the Greek 'Βιβλια' [biblia] meaning collection of texts, or books) as the literal inspired word, others look at the historicity of the times, the validity of the statements made and the translation of the text from its source language/s. Biglino, it appears from this video excerpt, is from the latter group and reminds his audience repeatedly that the Bible is a collection of books written at various times (sometimes retrospectively and at other times as the events took place). It is thought, by many scholars, that some sections were written (as though they were prophetic) after the events had occurred so as to create solidarity within the populace/group against hardship and oppression as well as a way of coping with group loss.

    Biglino's presentation illustrates, to a limited extent, how a consonant based written language, like Hebrew, presents unique difficulties in translation. His use of the Sumerian pictograph and relating it to the Hebrew term 'ruach' was very interesting (trans. pt1, 10:20) and I hadn't come across it previously. The point regards Elohim as a plural verb was well presented though I found his argument regards "to cut out of" meaning DNA splicing a bit of a leap. I don't mean it is wrong, just that he has made a leap from ancient Sumerian mythology to Israelite mythology and while I agree with him that the Sumerian stories existed prior to the Israelite ones I am not sure that our present interpretation of 'to cut out of' can be juxtaposed with DNA sampling without careful deconstruction of the semantics of the original (Sumerian) texts. As this is my first introduction to Biglino's work I am unaware as to his motivations for such a leap. I do like the fact that he uses academic translations of the Sumerian as this shows a lack of personal bias in his work. I am not saying that Sitchin's work is inferior or without value, only that if he was using Sitchin's work his arguments would be open to the same criticisms as Sitchin's work.

    The reference made to clay as a catalyst for DNA cloning continues the previous statements and again relies heavily on the earlier Sumerian creation mythologies. "God as a potter" might be a symbolic reference to this process however I am cautious to agree with this. I would be surprised if Biglino says that it is the case in his books as that is a very definite statement based on limited evidential support. At best Biglino is saying "look, I was reading these ancient texts in a literal way and using my 21st Century perspective to see if there is anything that stands out as obvious advanced technology, and guess what... I found something I reckon could be!" Beyond that he is possibly "seeing what he wants to see" through the lens of the modern world. I am not saying he is wrong, so no-one get all upity and defensive, only that he seems quite reasonable and his argument has a great deal of "traction" if looked at objectively (or as objectively as I can from within my own perspective).

    The section on 'the original sin' (trans. pt2, 08:30) was extremely informative and well presented.

    Interesting that Biglino says Moses was a polytheist who made a pact on behalf of his people with one of the many available Elohim. This fits with the time period and other scattered writings I've read. After all, the Israelite were Canaanites who decided to "follow" a specific god and create a distinct culture, social organisation and society in an inhospitable region that was pretty well also a constant war zone. It is interesting that Biglino holds onto the Exodus story (trans. pt3, 03:30) even though there is little evidence (outside of apologist circles who will try to twist anything to be "conclusive evidence") that the "Israelites" were ever held en mass in Egypt. The entire Egypt myth was more than likely created as a homogenising tale to assist in social cohesion and create a heroic past for the group.

    I agree with Biglino completely when he states (trans. pt3, 06:30) '..the only certainty we have is that we know that we don't know'.

    The section on the Israelites God's lack of concern over 'intentions', in regards to the offerings made by Abel and Cain, was well presented and one I have heard previously, however I was not aware of the section on animal sacrifice where a burnt offering was termed an 'arome enjoyed by the Elohim' (trans. pt3, 11:00) and that this has been re-translated as 'a soothing odour, a sedative odour to the Elohim' (trans. pt3, 11:15). Biglino presents an interesting argument (in regards to the related statements by physicist Pedruccio and Ivan Grippa about an article referring to NASA, Omega Ingredients, Steven Pearce about the production of an essence to reproduce the scent of burnt meat for astronauts) in this section and I will do further research on it as time permits. This was a really interesting section (trans. pt3, 11:00 to pt4 3:40). The whole "glory versus Kevod versus plasm engine" of pt4 was interesting and well presented, as was the section on the ten commandments. His section on the Nephilim was interesting however the 'EFOD' described as a radio communication device seemed a bit of a stretch. The description of the cherubs and Ezekiel's chariot is quite a common interpretation and one many here would be familiar with, however the twist he adds with the statuette was really quite interesting.

    I personally have no problem with the short addendum section in which Biglino reflects on Jesus. I have read many authors who question whether there was an historical Jesus. The lack of contemporary reference to him, the errors in the New Testament, the lack of evidence that the so-called apostles wrote their gospels and the fact that if these texts we now call "gospels" were written when their authors were probably in their seventies (using the conservative 70 CE as the written date, though many are thought to have been written well after this) would mean that they all had rather long lives for a bunch of mostly illiterate fishermen and field workers. There are many who will contend that Jesus existed and I am not saying he didn't. Just that there is no evidence outside of the bible itself that he did (other than a single debatable reference in Josephus that most believe was probably added in the 5th Century CE by "well meaning Christians").

    In all I enjoyed the material presented. It was mostly well balanced and only had a few brief "I know best" moments. It is obvious that Biglino understands his material and enjoys sharing his knowledge and perspective. I would have liked more references but I guess the book has that information. Very interesting and well worth presenting.

    Again, thank you billyji for presenting this video series.
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Thank you for your well thought and good to read panopticon and thank you for being ontopic, I am just home from a long day at work and will read your comment one more time later, You have come up with some good pointers, When i have a little more time I am also going to listen to all the video's one more time but with notebook and pen in hand this time, This may take a couple of days.

    I would also like to thank sepuste who uploaded the Video's on Utube for taking the time and effort in translating the conference into English for us all.

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    G'day All,

    After a brief review this is what I found:
    • The physicist mentioned is Clarbruno Vedruccio (website: http://www.clarbrunovedruccio.it).
    • Omega Ingredients Ltd. (http://www.omegaingredients.co.uk/) is an English company 'founded in 2001 by Steve Pearce and Elizabeth Pearce' and are 'award winning creators of specialist natural flavours, fragrances and ingredients for manufacturers of food, beverages and cosmetics products worldwide.'
    • Ivan Grippa is an Italian UFOlogist (as mentioned in the video).
    There were quite a few articles written at the time but the first one appears to be from 16 Oct 2008 in the English paper The Telegraph and titled:
    Space Smells Like Fried Steak.

    The article is available to read online:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ied-steak.html
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Hello my family of Avalon! I have been in Jamaica for the last 2 weeks and my internet access was very limited...so I have been catching up for the past few days. I want to say that IMHO this information from Biglino is very important.

    I shared it with Santos Bonacci, George Kavassilas, and many others and am waiting on their comments... when I get them I will report back.

    In the mean time This information from Biglino is not the first time I have had contact with someone that has done literal translation of the bible... so I am wanting to suggest that for me there is much truth in what Biglino is telling us!!!

    Much love!

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Mauro Biglino is a professional translator of ancient Hebrew texts. He was asked by the Vatican or a Vatican book publisher to translate without any theological spin an accurate translation of the Old Testament. He completed 17 books and then was "let go" after he came out with the conclusion (based on his work) that the Old Testament really describes stories of alien encounters and their rule over humans in the past.


    Holy Bible Aliens


    The literal translations of ancient Jews help us to discover what they didn’t know.

    * The Bible clearly says that God dies as all men die.

    * The Bible explains that we have been created with DNA of our creators

    * The Bible tells us that our creators traveled in flying objects

    * the Bible quotes a direct relationship between the UFOs and Sumer, the earth as the keepers of the flying objects

    * The Glory of God was in reality… a UFO

    *The bible refers to giants and tells where to find their legacy

    *The Angels mentioned in the Old Testament, where perceived as spiritual beings, however do not exist.

    * The Ten Commandments written on the stone were not those that have been reported.

    * the evangelist John has drawn his mystical doctrines from the Hellenistic literature of his time

    * and other, as the fact that the Church admits that the Old Testament knew of the aliens .

    This is from the last video:

    The Bible Didn’t Know About Jesus

    What did all theology do? It elaborated the fact that the whole Old Testament is finalized to Jesus’ figure. We know it, don’t we? Starting from the original sin which, as I explain here, is not in there. We take it easy. I explain it according to Amos Luzzatto, one of the most important Jewish biblists .

    However, the whole salvation story starts with the nonexistent original sin in order to get Jesus who brings the redemption for everyone. Therefore the whole Old Testament is finalized to the figure of Jesus Christ. Prophecies included, always attributed “a posteriori”, because the authors of the bible never thought about that figure. But what is the most curious thing? The last book of the bible is the book of Wisdom. It’s a book in which it’s said: “God gave me”, says the author, “the whole wisdom of the universe.” All of His knowledge. What is the cur…. And the book of Wisdom doesn’t talk about Jesus Christ. But what is this curiosity? It’s that as they were writing the book of Wisdom Jesus was there! And they finished writing it 10-15 years after Jesus’ death and presumed ascension.

    Therefore, the book of Wisdom, that contains all the god’s knowledge and which was written 15 years after Jesus Christ’s death doesn’t know that God’s son has arrived, preached, died, resurrected and brought salvation to the world. Therefore, everyone knows it, but the Bible, which should be the one which prepared everything in order for him to come."
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Bestlion thank you for you contribution here on this tread!!! You are right on in my opinion!!!
    Much love!!!

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    Quote Posted by billyji (here)
    Actually, as soon as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!
    people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree

    and i've never heard any sage or saint say so


    still there is an orchestrated effort trying to convince humanity of it's subservient status to ET

    so when they arrive with UFOs en masse people will acknowledge and admit second class statusi tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell
    Another extremely closed minded Christian, that will hold onto his 'bible ' till the end. This man is an expert on old Hebrew. he did accurate translations, and tells about the history of the Bible "I bought the Ebook and read half of it already' The Bible the Christians have today is a series of books that came about in entirety around 900 AD> the real Old Testament doesn't even talk about the coming Jesus and all that stuff, that was put in their to support the Roman Church.
    Why don't you open your mind some to what real scholars have to say?
    if you read his book, he will say he had no plan to discredit the Bible, and he entered his translations as a pure heart who just wanted accurate translations of old text. And through all this he discovered many flaws in the modern Bible.
    I know the Bible well, I was a born again fanatic for a few years of my life. And When I read this book I had along side me "And am still reading it' the King James Bible. And all he says thus far is spot on.
    Yes it will challenge your beliefs and your religion! And for this I am sure many will oppose this man. The Vatican already fired him due to that threat.
    I am in search for 'truth' and I like to read all side, and if I can find a man who accurately,s. explains the translation of old text then I am all for reading what he has to say.
    Yes this read will challenge the very foundation of the 3 monotheistic faiths that came from this bible text. I just challenge you to read with an open heart and have your Bible right beside you when you read the book, and make your own conclusion.
    I think I could turn and live with animals. They are so placid and self-contained. They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins. They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God. Not one of them kneels to another or to his own kind that lived thousands of years ago. Not one of them is respectable or unhappy, all over the earth. " Lord SummerIsle

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Thank you Bestloin and i look foreward to your feedback after you have read the book. I have written to Mauro asking a few more questions concerning certain text that i am curious about, maybe they are mentioned in the book.

    I have been looking foreward to debating this sort of material for many years now, So i am very delighted that Mauro has this in written form,
    I tried to purchase the e-book but i do not have the correct bank card and was not accepted, plus my internet speed is only half a meg and at this moment is even slower because i have gone over my download limit until the end of the month. So downloading the e-book would take forever. I hope it comes out in English in Hardback form.

    In the meantime i have listened again to the first video and the introduction he makes i think is important, so i have written it down and will post it later today here.

    EDIT:
    Please do not encourage negative fundimental Christian diolog by responding to comments left in this thread,As i did as it will only be a distraction towards the dialog we hope to move foreward with.

    keep ontopic please
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    Yes this read will challenge the very foundation of the 3 monotheistic faiths that came from this bible text. I just challenge you to read with an open heart and have your Bible right beside you when you read the book, and make your own conclusion.
    Like I said earlier this is such important information...I love information that challenges the belief system...

    I too am looking forward to Billy's & Bestlions notes (and anyone else)

    Thank you!

    Much love!

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Bestlion ,

    If you're disappointed in religion and churchianity then I can see your side of the story.
    But by excluding Jesus or Isus or Yeshua or whatever is the pronunciation depending of the lingo is like telling that There is no Sun in the sky...
    There are more evidence about his life and acts than that there is a proof that you or me are alive and well today...

    But if you choose to believe what you believe then it's your call.

    For example take the newest translation approved by Vatican or any other religion and what will you find?
    You will find that 99% of things written there are not made alive by Vatican or religions in the world today. Very modern Bible as some call it is not aligned with deeds of religions.

    Simply they don't practice what is actually written in Bible and actually approved by them...

    So silly...
    None of the 99% of things religions do today is not required by Bible...yet they boast that they are Christians and do God's will...pathetic.

    So don't buy the hype and see with your own eyes the truth among lies that circle around in religions and alternative community.

    Second thing to say is that when you listen Jesus he din't said follow the book (Bible). He simply didn't make that call or he didn't stated follw the religions or priesthood's desires...

    What he said is to be one with God - CONSCIOUSLY!.

    That's hard to beat...
    Hence they made all the efforts to diminish those messages of Christ ...

    What do we hear today?
    Same ol same ol'

    But the core message is the same - BE one with God CONSCIOUSLY.
    Love, love and see what happens!

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Quote If you're disappointed in religion and churchianity then I can see your side of the story.
    But by excluding Jesus or Isus or Yeshua or whatever is the pronunciation depending of the lingo is like telling that There is no Sun in the sky...
    There are more evidence about his life and acts than that there is a proof that you or me are alive and well today...
    Been in the Jesus camp, got the 10% tithing T-shirt also from it. Pleaseeee evidence is of forged history started around 80AD and went full swing around Constantine time.
    Jesus is about as real as Papa Smurf
    Google also has the other side of the Jesus story..Seems you like to focus on the Jesus story written by Christians.I will not respond further because i will respect this>
    Quote Please do not encourage negative fundimental Christian diolog by responding to comments left in this thread,As i did as it will only be a distraction towards the dialog we hope to move foreward with.
    I hope to give feedback when i am done with the ebook. Good read thus far!

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Thank you Kimberley, Me also.

    Beren as far as i can see Bestlion was not excluding Jesus in his comment, What he was expressing is that the OT was not centred around Jesus, As the Church has had its followers believe. ( personally i think the OT does mention Jesus as i posted earlier) And i believe there are other manuscrips that exist around our planet that confirm the existence of Jesus, But that is not the point of this thread.

    The literal translation of the Old Testament is the point of the thread.

    So i will post Biglino's Introduction talk on video number one. I have left out the end where he actually begins to speak about individual text translation. Elohim's RUACH which i will post seperately.

    Mauro Biglino literal translation of the bible.

    The bible is a history book.

    Tape number one.

    Mauro is a translator of masoretic Hebrew,

    The Vatican published 17 volumes from the Old Testement,

    Mauro recommends that we do not buy them, ( They are for stoned people)

    Mauro splits Jewish words into single components,

    The unpublished books the Vatican still hold are Joshua and Judges,

    Anything Mauro says, does not go against anyones personal faith,

    14mins 17secs
    Mauro speaks of things in conferences that are not in the book,

    We think of the bible as a book "arranged" a thousand years ago, Not so, It was "Fixed" between the 7th and 9th century AD. 600 t0 800 AD

    Out of all the schools which were the Palestinian, Samaritan, Babylonian and Tiberian, It was the family of the Tiberian School,

    The family name is Moshed Ben Aaron Ben Asaer that defined the bible as we know it now,

    If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

    was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
    was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

    The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.

    One problem those gentlemen did not have was the "linguistic question" they never asked themselves.
    They were interested in only their, "theological thought"

    So the only thing we should know for certain, is that the only certainly we have is, That we know that we do not know

    We do not know even how the bible was vocalized when they wrote it.

    At this time when most of the biblical events happened above all, The fundamental ones. Hebrew did not even exist.
    Moses did not speak Hebrew, When in the desert they did not speak Jewish, During the exodus if you like,

    If you want to believe, They spoke sort of semetic language, You can" but i doubt it".
    They spoke some sort of Arorite then maybe later they spoke some sort of Aramaic,

    Then later after a couple of centuries the Jewish Language began to shape, which is actually a transformed sub-phoenician.

    Again the only certainly is that, we know that we don't know,

    with this understanding, which gives us a great serentity, we can begin to listen to the text.
    but this is an understanding that anyone who works on the bible should have, including the theologists, cabalists,

    and all those who say, " I'll tell you how it is, That is why i will not tell you, "how things are"

    I will tell you that there is in the Jewish consonant "roots" because that is my job, or better was my job.

    My exact duty was to search the original "meaning" of course, by using traditional dictionaries in Jewish and Aramaic etymology edited by Ribbis and published in Israel or in the U.S.




    Blessings

    I have highlighted the Sub-Pheonician text in red for a reason i will explain later.
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    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    I watched videos from the day one and have to say that I agree what he says for the most part.
    I made the point about Jesus since majority of the things about in OT are actually as precursor for him but if one does not believe or sees that what's the point of me arguing here for one who doesn't want to see the other opinion or facts...
    Fascinating thing is the passion of condemnation of Christians by people like Bestlion who in turn, aim their attention on supernatural while exclude the real deal...
    Supernatural is there but if you believe more in fairies than real man who was there then I will not argue with your choice ,I will just ask to be decent enough to brand others as fundamentalists or as I pick up the energy here-quite dumb because I say my opinion.

    I have history with elves and faeire and my family has also so don't get me wrong.
    But I have experience with Christ and spirit world for whole my life also and now you can persuade me that I don't have it?


    For example many on the forum trashed RedeZra for his belief and things that he post ... that was outrageous for he didn't insult anyone and was temporarily banned for just returning with the same energy ...
    But whenever he was defending his view about God or Bible or Jesus he was heavily mocked (as someone tried with me here and now).

    So anyone has the right for opinion and respect but you who also have same right actually has not???
    Give me a brake!

    Anyone who defends Christ's role of the whole thing can be branded as fundamentalist, retrograded , or religious nut but one 's who are at opposite thinking is cool?
    What makes your opinion more valid? What makes you smarter person? What's making you different than me?
    NO way Hose!
    Unless we all see who we are as humanity we will never go forward.

    I am not religious but am constantly blamed as such and whenever we talk about Christ here, always there is a person who is ever so ready for mockery... so childish...
    So how can I actually talk with someone if they are ready to judge me before the trial?

    Is that evolved opinion ?
    Is that the society we stream for?
    Judging others at a whim?

    Nope my friends, nope.

    OT as a writing collection of stuff from the past is one very broad text with a lot of explanation.
    And it should be noted that God is there very rarely ,majority is about one nation called Israel and relations with others back in the day ,also many other ET beings are fully there and why can't people see that- I don't know.
    But it's easier to put all the weight upon God.
    Yeah God is to be blamed for all!

    It's easier to say this or that but one thing is not easy and that is looking in your own soul and seeing what's going on.

    That's the point of texts as OT .
    Not blind following the book or scroll or persons, following the spirit thus being eventually one with God.
    And if one can't make the connection about that- I can't help it. It's your level of current understanding.

    But if your level is lower or higher than mine- don't judge!
    When you judge you lower further yourself down into low conscience struggles and ego trips...

    Who said what, who's got the better translation, who's got accurate texts and such...when at the end you see that the message is the same everywhere and all the time-BE ONE WITH GOD CONSCIOUSLY!
    Love, love and see what happens!

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Quote Fascinating thing is the passion of condemnation of Christians by people like Bestlion who in turn, aim their attention on supernatural while exclude the real deal...
    Jesus is just as supernatural IMHO as a fairy. Same with his 'miracles" the entire gospel story of Jesus is supernatural, the raising of the dead, miracles, walking on water etc...no different then believing in fairies.You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?
    The longer I have been a polytheist , the more amazed I am that I ever believed Christian notions
    Quote But I have experience with Christ and spirit world for whole my life also and now you can persuade me that I don't have it?
    I spent 3 years of my life in that stuff. i also told people of my personal experience, how Jesus lives in my heart etc..It was all in my imagination because i wanted to believe it so much.
    Historians have no evidence of a historic Jesus dating from the early first century, even though many contemporary writers documented the era in great detail. Philo of Alexandria, for example, wrote in depth about early first-century Palestine, naming other self-proclaimed messiahs, yet never once mentioning a man named Jesus. Many other contemporary writers covered that era, yet there is not a single mention of any existence, deeds, or words of a man named Jesus.
    Quote Anyone who defends Christ's role of the whole thing can be branded as fundamentalist,
    Yes, because it is a religion! And becomes a way of life to people of which they develop social norms around.
    Quote For example many on the forum trashed RedeZra for his belief and things that he post ... that was outrageous for he didn't insult anyone and was temporarily banned for just returning with the same energy ...
    He is on a mission to convert fellow Avilonians. And he is extremely closed minded! And does NOT ever look into the evidence against his god Elohim for the others perspective.
    Quote But whenever he was defending his view about God or Bible or Jesus he was heavily mocked
    You must understand many of us were raised in the church, became Christians ..and left. Thus we've seen this religion from the inside out. And I personally studied the Bible very much I probably know it better then your local pastor. So talking to former Christians about your god, and about your personal experience is looked upon to us as naive, unread ( ie not studying the true history, doctrine, roots etc) , and well sort of childlike.
    Quote (as someone tried with me here and now).
    I was tring to be respectful and hold back but you had to post this post..And I didnt flame you..but flamed your suppose god Jesus as just as real as Papa Smurf.
    Here is a few things to think about>
    *The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?
    * It's not easy to change world views. Faith has its own momentum and belief is comfortable. To restructure reality is traumatic and scary. That is why many intelligent people continue to believe: unbelief is an unknown.
    * To think that the ruler of the universe will run to my assistance and bend the laws of nature for me is the height of arrogance. That implies that everyone else (such as the opposing football team, driver, student, parent) is de-selected, unfavored by God, and that I am special, above it all.

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Ok Guys if this senario is going to keep raising its ugly head can we at least agree to disagree on the Jesus topic, as it is a great distraction from the Original Post,
    I would like to add that just because i ask gently for everyone to seperate personal beliefs from the Literal Translation does not mean that i do not have a beautiful relationship with Jesus and i am not a Christian, Remembering that Jesus was also Never a Christian. I have also had the great honour of experiencing Jesus in a most wonderful spiritual happening in my life.

    I would never dream of punting or pushing my belief system upon another, each to their own as they say, I respect all belief systems whether i agree or not, Redezra had the habit of being off topic on threads, That is a lesson for him to learn,

    So now can we move foreward without saying " I know how it is" respecting each others belief systems which we have all created for ourselves and disguss the LITERAL TRANSLATION of Mauro Biglino

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Bestlion,
    I see that you write about religious things and actual church doings including doctrine of sin.
    But as I said I am not religious and not talking about churchianity.
    You miss the point here.
    You are disappointed with them thus blame Christ as non existing person who is fault for their deeds.
    Also you fluctuate between wanting and demanding facts from official sources and on the another hand
    believing in supernatural as you stated as a reason why you came to the forum.

    Can you tell me what do you want?

    You can't make a point for your opinions as facts and on other opinions you label them as primitive or untrue -demanding facts...

    With that attitude how can you expect reasoning with anyone ?

    OP sorry for this delay in thread but it was necessary to be done otherwise we are not able to follow the reasoning within the thread and its message.
    Literal translation of OT is one fascinating thing.

    Carries desription of other beings culture and their acts.
    And it is not that God dies . ET's died and went to and fro in their acts upon Earth though people then called them God or Gods...
    Love, love and see what happens!

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