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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Good day everyone, It is Sunday so we can allow Jusus to rest and get back on topic, I have been up the mountains on this sunny day in Scotland so have not had time to cover all of tape 2. but half of it completed.

    Here we go.


    Mauro translates the word TSELEM and Elohim.

    From what we can draw out of the literal translation of the bible, thus from the definition of the consonantic roots. The bible tells us that we have been made using Elonim's TSELEM. Usually all translations you have say that "We are made in Gods image and after his likeness"



    Do you understand ELOHIM? Elohim is a biblical term which is usually translated as "GOD". Actually Elohim is a plural term. By the way, Maybe because from the point of view of the semitic philology things are not so simple as often stated.


    Therefore it is NOT so certain that Elohim is the plural of "EL" meaning GOD. So when we talk about Elohim we say the stuff that we traditionally identify with God. But definitely in the bible it means "A lot of people". No doubt about that.



    The cult says that we are "MADE" the traditional translation. In the image and after the likeness. Actually the bible says that "We are made after the likeness, but with something that contains Elohims Image"

    The dictionaries edited by the Rabbis say more. they state that TSELEM derives from the verb TSALAM which means to "Cut out of" What the bible literaly says is, That we were made using a certain amount of material which contains Elohims Image and that it has been cut out.


    Now everyone of us immediately knows what we are refering to when we say that something that contains the image of an individual has been "Cut out" It is DNA.


    With any probability, this biblical tale is the summary of the Sumarian Tablets Tale. In particular in the "ENAMU ELISH" that is when the Sumarians tell about the beginning. But the Sumarians are much more precise than the bible.



    because the Sumarians, who never thought of creating a RELIGION, NEVER. They Never built a temple. They never talked of GODS the way we mean it. But they spoke about those guys. Biagio Russo Talked very well about it before. They certainly respected those people, They were afraid of them. Because obviously as you can understand, Those guys were much more powerful from the point of view of knowledge and technology.




    But they did NOT consider them as GODS. As have been indicated afterwards. Sumarians never build a temple. The way we mean it. Hence Sumarians who were much more precise and who knew those were not unerring Gods. They had no scruples of telling of their failures. And they tell us with high precition compared to monotheistic thought which has been later inserted in the bible.That those guys had a whole bunch of attempts gone wrong before achieving the right slave. That is, They made a lot of mistakes.

    Mauro mentions Dolly the sheep as a example. 240 attempts before success.

    The presumed Gods of the Sumarians did the same thing. They made one that could not hold back urine
    one that could not close their eyes
    one with a crooked spine, one without genitiles.
    one unable to eat. I do not remember them all, but that is not important.Anyway they made a lot which were wrong.

    First attempted Royal Bloodline

    One really horrible one. By coincidence made by what had been extracted from the blood of one of the Gods chiefs.
    How about that, The least succesful attempt was the one with Enki's blood. At some point they give a try with the blood of one of the two big bosses. A complete failure. A hairy being with a closed throat. imperfect eyes. Twisted ribs, paralyzed spine, heart, head and intestines damaged, unable to lift hands.


    These translations i brought to you do not come from Stitchin. Although Stitchin is important, But one has to go beyond Regarding Sumerology. I follow the translations made by academics, Those are the translations by GLOVANNI PETTINATO. He is a worldwide authority, Actually he was, because he is dead now. Hence these are Glovanni Pettinato's translations and not an alternative sumerologist. But an academic. He was Italian. Incidentally he was the chairman of the European Commission for the creation of the Sumarian Dictionary. Hence an undisputed worldwide authority.


    I mean no people are so stupid to create such kinds of Gods, Adore them and at the same time say that these guys proceeded by trials and errors.



    Tape 2 To be continued
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Thank you Billy...

    The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

    http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/...nn-genie-egypt

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    some rail against the ten commandments, whats wrong with the jist of the words, tell the truth, don't steal, don't cheat, love your neighbor, don't falsely accuse your neighbor,don't take your neighbor's things , etc. do all your work , take one day and meditate , let your spirit rest... don't put your faith in images or stones , only put your faith in spirit.... The throne of England, and the Vatican manipulated the words to keep the masses enslaved to the king and the priest. Emmanuel threatened their power over people, and they killed him to keep their control... problem is he didn't stay dead. you can't kill life, it just changes forms and comes back stronger.....
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Quote Posted by billyji (here)

    Mauro translates the word TSELEM and Elohim.

    From what we can draw out of the literal translation of the bible, thus from the definition of the consonantic roots. The bible tells us that we have been made using Elonim's TSELEM. Usually all translations you have say that "We are made in Gods image and after his likeness"



    Do you understand ELOHIM? Elohim is a biblical term which is usually translated as "GOD". Actually Elohim is a plural term. By the way, Maybe because from the point of view of the semitic philology things are not so simple as often stated.


    Therefore it is NOT so certain that Elohim is the plural of "EL" meaning GOD. So when we talk about Elohim we say the stuff that we traditionally identify with God. But definitely in the bible it means "A lot of people". No doubt about that.



    The cult says that we are "MADE" the traditional translation. In the image and after the likeness. Actually the bible says that "We are made after the likeness, but with something that contains Elohims Image"

    The dictionaries edited by the Rabbis say more. they state that TSELEM derives from the verb TSALAM which means to "Cut out of" What the bible literaly says is, That we were made using a certain amount of material which contains Elohims Image and that it has been cut out.


    Now everyone of us immediately knows what we are refering to when we say that something that contains the image of an individual has been "Cut out" It is DNA.

    the term tselem is also used in the Hebrew Bible to describe Seth the son of Adam and Eve

    And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot [a son] in his own likeness, after his image [tselem], and named him Seth. - Genesis 5:3


    tselem is also used to denote idols

    "You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images [tselem] and played the harlot with them. - Ezekiel 16:17

    so there is nothing mystical about tselem which means image shadow likeness



    elohim is plural in form denoting divinities but it is also intensive plural describing the Majesty of Divinity

    even human royalties speak of themselves in intensive plural as we and us and so forth


    besides God is known as the Trinity the Three in One

    as it takes three to create everything

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    some rail against the ten commandments, whats wrong with the jist of the words, tell the truth, don't steal, don't cheat, love your neighbor, don't falsely accuse your neighbor,don't take your neighbor's things , etc. do all your work , take one day and meditate , let your spirit rest... don't put your faith in images or stones , only put your faith in spirit.... The throne of England, and the Vatican manipulated the words to keep the masses enslaved to the king and the priest. Emmanuel threatened their power over people, and they killed him to keep their control... problem is he didn't stay dead. you can't kill life, it just changes forms and comes back stronger.....
    Ghostrider..not sure you are understanding this thread when you write
    Quote whats wrong with the jist of the words, tell the truth, don't steal, don't cheat, love your neighbor, don't falsely accuse your neighbor,don't take your neighbor's things , etc.
    because the literal translation has NOT ONE of THOSE words..??? (whether they sound good or not is not the point) ???

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    Quote Posted by Kimberley (here)
    Thank you Billy...

    The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

    http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/...nn-genie-egypt
    Thank you Kimberley. I remember reading this last year. (it may have been yourself that sent me the link) and what was said by the Jinn resonated with me.

    These lines stood out for me.

    J(inn): You humans are creators. We, the Jinn, cannot create but we can mimic… we can imitate… and we can affect potential outcomes, but we cannot create.

    J: Who can say what is written on another person’s soul? We cannot purposefully influence their destiny without tampering with their agreement.

    HW: Agreement with who…?

    J: With the higher organizing intelligences...

    HW: Who are the watchers?

    J: The ones among the higher intelligences responsible for this world. We are not allowed to interfere with humans on their path although there are some who do, as well as those who function as adversaries.

    J: Oh… so you know about them… (The Jinn’s field brightened reflecting excitement.) The archons are not true spirits. They are mind beings, mental entities many of who were created by humans as thought-forms. Many of these function as attachments… as mental parasites.

    HW: How do they do that?

    J: They feed on the energy… on the attention paid to them by humans. This includes the energy generated by human belief systems. But they are not true spirits and they will cease to exist if nobody pays attention to them any more. The ones you call ‘the archons’ are those that we call ‘the deceivers,’ and like us they are not creative. But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human belief systems.

    J: Humans are greater than the deceivers. The deceivers that you have called the archons wish to become more like humans. They cannot create. They can only imitate and the only power that they have is derived from humans. Humans have power… and the deceivers want that power.

    HW: Why don’t the watchers, as you call them, inhibit the archons, the deceivers, from interfering with humans?

    J: The deceivers are not spirits. They live in the human mind, so the watchers cannot affect them.
    J: The Jinn are manifestations of great spiritual force that the Gnostikoi called the Sophia. Everything that exists on this world exists as manifestations of the Sophia.

    HW: Who or what is the Sophia?

    J: She is the soul of this world.

    HW: Does she have a physical aspect?

    J: Yes. This world is her physical aspect.

    HW: Where did Sophia come from?

    J: She came from the center of…

    (The Jinn used a strange term to me. In asking for clarification, I was given to understand that the Sophia came from the core of our galaxy.)

    HW: So are human souls emanations of Sophia’s dreaming?

    J: No. Your souls are sourced by the Originator. It is your body that is human with its raw powerful emotions. Your soul is simply a soul. It is spirit in nature and it is not human.

    HW: Is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic father god (Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah) the Originator?

    J: No.

    HW: Is it the creator?

    J: No.

    HW: Who or what is Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah?

    J: He is the arch deceiver. You might call him the lord archon after the terminology of the Gnostikoi.

    HW: Who and what is the lord archon?

    J: He is the arch mind parasite who has been serving as humanity’s adversary and who has been operating against humans from his beginnings.

    HW: You mean that he is not the creator as so many humans believe and claim?

    J: Yes. The arch deceiver cannot create anything although he claims that he can. He is an archon. He can only mimic.

    HW: Why is he so powerful and why have all three of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) revered him?

    J: They were all of them deceived by the lord archon. He is the arch deceiver and he derives his power from those he has deceived—from those who believe that he is the creator… that he is the Originator. But he is not.

    HW: So he is not the Originator?

    J: That is correct. He is the lord archon.

    HW: Are the archons—the deceivers—evil?

    J: No.

    HW: Do they operate in the negative polarity? (This took some explaining.)

    J: Yes. They encourage humans to go wrong in their behavior.

    HW: Why do they do this?

    J: That is their nature. They are deceivers.

    HW: And what then is the source of evil?

    J: Humans. The archons influence humans to err in their behavior until they reach that point where they can no longer self correct. At that point, humans create evil because that is their nature. They are creators and they have been influenced by the deceivers. They are still being influenced by the deceivers.

    HW: So evil did not exist until humans created it?

    J: That is correct.

    HW: And is the Lord Archon is evil?

    J: No. He is the arch deceiver who has operated against humanity as the adversary since his beginning.

    HW: Is this why so many religious wars have been fought in the name of religion? Is this why millions of women were killed by the Church in the Middle Ages during the Great Witch Hunts?

    J: Yes. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic god is the lord archon. It was his influence that manifested itself in humans with twisted minds to manifest great acts of evil. He is still doing that.

    HW: You mean that he still has the power to do that again?

    J: The Lord archon has no power of his own. He is not a creator. He is an archon. Humans are creators and what they create is up to them. He influences them to go into what you call the negative polarity because that is his nature.

    HW: So the choice is ultimately ours?

    J: That is correct. Humans can create evil or they can create its opposite.

    HW: Is that how we deal with the problem of evil?

    J: I do not know. That is your responsibility as humans. In my opinion, humans created evil now they must un-create it.

    HW: How do we do that?

    J: By creating evil’s opposite. And by changing your thoughts. The archons live in your thoughts. They are what you would call psychic vampires who feed on the energy of your thoughts and emotions. Yet humans will always have the power that comes with choice for humans are creators, but if humans allow the archons to influence them in your thinking, you humans will choose wrongly. The deceivers take delight in violence and warfare, greed and deception, competition and denial, corruption and mendacity. They encourage humans to take refuge in what you have called the negative polarity. I like this term.

    HW: Did we create the gods?

    J: That is correct.

    HW: Who or what is the Originator?

    J: No one knows. That is the Great Mystery.

    HW: Where is the Originator?

    J: Everywhere.
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    Quote Posted by billyji (here)

    Mauro translates the word TSELEM and Elohim.

    From what we can draw out of the literal translation of the bible, thus from the definition of the consonantic roots.
    the term tselem is also used in the Hebrew Bible to describe Seth the son of Adam and Eve

    And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot [a son] in his own likeness, after his image [tselem], and named him Seth. - Genesis 5:3


    tselem is also used to denote idols

    "You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images [tselem] and played the harlot with them. - Ezekiel 16:17

    so there is nothing mystical about tselem which means image shadow likeness



    elohim is plural in form denoting divinities but it is also intensive plural describing the Majesty of Divinity

    even human royalties speak of themselves in intensive plural as we and us and so forth


    besides God is known as the Trinity the Three in One

    as it takes three to create everything
    Red it very easy to google a word and find a thousand meanings for that word. As i have just done here.
    Example:1000 word analysis on Tselem
    This commentary will be examining the word tselem in the Hebrew Bible and its range of meanings.
    Traditionally, this word is rendered as “image” and occurs in the phrase “the image of God” (as in
    Gen. i. 26, 27). Hence, the meaning of this word carries significance for theological anthropology and
    our understanding of Ancient Near Eastern conceptions of deity.
    The word tselem in Hebrew has a variety of meanings and is used in different contexts

    Note the highlighted in red.

    As Biglino says also.
    Mauro is a translator of masoretic Hebrew,

    Mauro splits Jewish words into single components,

    If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

    was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
    was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

    The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.
    and all those who say, " I'll tell you how it is, That is why i will not tell you, "how things are"

    I will tell you that there is in the Jewish consonant "roots" because that is my job, or better was my job.

    My exact duty was to search the original "meaning" of course,

    Mauro translates the word TSELEM and Elohim.
    From what we can draw out of the literal translation of the bible, thus from the definition of the consonantic roots.

    I am sorry Red but i would rather put my trust in an expert than a debunker. But thank you for your input.

    Like i said to you before, Mauro is very approachable, I have been in contact with him. he is a gentleman. As i am not a expert on Hebrew If you have any queries regarding his literal translations please contact him. i also gave you the link.

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    Billyji,

    Nice one this Jinn interview, feels right, self created thought entities attach and feed off of us.

    If the opposite can be realised they will feed us an give positive energy if i understood correctly.

    Thanks, you just shone a bit of sunshine on my day.

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    Quote Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)
    Billyji,

    Nice one this Jinn interview, feels right, self created thought entities attach and feed off of us.

    If the opposite can be realised they will feed us an give positive energy if i understood correctly.

    Thanks, you just shone a bit of sunshine on my day.
    I would say more that if the opposite of negativity can be realized from humans, then the parasites that feed from human minds and emotions would have no food to survive. The decievers could not exist in our energy field, therefore have no influence over us. Freeing ourselves from our own self made enslavement, allowing us to create the heaven on earth which is within our true potential.

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    Quote Posted by billyji (here)
    If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

    was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
    was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

    The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.
    and all those who say, " I'll tell you how it is, That is why i will not tell you, "how things are"


    I am sorry Red but i would rather put my trust in an expert than a debunker. But thank you for your input.
    nobody needs to debunk Biglino because nobody believes him


    you don't even know that the Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible compiled centuries before Christ

    and that the medieval Masoretes did not translate the Hebrew Bible but just compiled a system of pronunciation and cantillation of the words in the the Hebrew Bible


    you have ego but that's about it

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    Quote nobody needs to debunk Biglino because nobody believes him
    Obviously you have your mind made up! You believe in the King James Bible and all it says and you wish not to listen-hear-read anything else but what supports that. others here have out grown the King James Bible via our , study, lifes experiences, and via our own discernment. When you say nobody believe this guy it is really insulting to many of us who are already well versed in your Bible-religion and your theology. I have his book, and I read it and go myself to the King James version of the Bible to see if he is indeed taking things out of context and i have yet to find where he does!
    Sure he has his 'opinion' what he thinks the gods were, and what they were doing..But this is no different then what a person like John Wesley was doing. It is sort of like his version of a study Bible.
    Quote the Hebrew Bible compiled centuries before Christ
    We all know this. And also many OT books were written at different times, Many say the book of Job is the oldest book in the Bible. Also like he says the Bible itself was passed down via word of mouth..till it eventually was written in Hebrew which came after the Jews entered the land of Canaan.
    Quote you have ego but that's about it
    And you are closed minded. Its like you are wishing to believe the 5th generation passed down book which has been translated..and re-translated 10 times of Little Red Ridding Hood.
    The Bible is HARDLY the WORD of god. It was written 100% by man

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    Quote Posted by BestLion (here)
    . I have his book, and I read it and go myself to the King James version of the Bible to see if he is indeed taking things out of context and i have yet to find where he does!
    .
    Thanks to my daughters partner, with his help of having a paypal account and a much faster internet speed, i managed to purchase the book. And what i have seen at a quick glance this morning it is worth every penny of the £8 sterling.

    As far as Redezra is concerned, so far he is the ONLY one who is debunking Biglino's work.So his comment that nobody believes Biglono is false. Like i said on the first page of this thread. He works within a conditioned belief system.
    But at least he is looking, even if it is with sceptical eyes. Therefore it will not be so tramatic for him when the truth comes to light, the belief system he has created for himself may adjust as the truth is slowly revealed. I feel for the millions who have been conditioned into power controlled lies. They may not be able to handle the truth when all becomes transparent. Hopefully Redezra can be there for them to assist them in their trauma.

    Everything you have heard, or read,
    about religion must be put aside once and for all.
    Only if you stand clear, your conscience freed
    from even the smallest sign, you’ll know religion.
    The so-called religions are exactly the opposite thing,
    and the aftermath they get are clearly visible.
    The whole world is split by several religions:
    who goes to the synagogue, who goes to the temple and who goes
    to the church. But can you glimpse a gleam of religiosity anywhere?
    Osho Rajneesh

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

    G'day All,

    Thank you RedeZra, you are completely correct in saying that the earliest complete version of the Tanakh is indeed the Septuagint and it was written by Jews, in Greek, between the 3rd to 2nd Century BCE. The fragments/scrolls from Qumran are from a later period (often dated as between the 2nd Century BCE and first century CE). In regards to the first complete versions of the Tanakh in Hebrew discovered, I think these date to between the 9th Century CE (the Codex Cairensis) and the 10th Century CE (the Leningrad Codex).

    This, however, does not negate, in my opinion, Biglino's work as the general understanding of the phrases used in the verbal languages (Hebrew, Aramaic etc.) at the time and the written representation of those phrases can be back referenced and compared to both later translations/interpretations and root languages. What is also interesting is the comparison of texts between the Qumran fragments, the Septuagint and the later Hebrew scripts. Biglino, being a specialist in archaic Hebrew, may be doing this and his use of Sumerian pictograms gives me cause to hope.

    I don't think anyone is sure how accurate the oral transmission of the Tanakh was (from the fall of Rome through to the medieval period) or if an oral tradition effected the work of Moses ben Asher and Aaron ben Moses ben Asher. However, I am interested in Biglino's work and while I would need to do further research to have an opinion on it (as I posted in my initial response to this thread) I am not adverse to looking into his literal interpretation and comparative linguistics.

    So, just to be clear, the earliest written record of the Tanakh (the Septuagint) is in Greek and the Hebrew versions that we have today are more than likely taken from the Greek version and may have also been influenced by an unknown oral tradition. The Qumran fragments/scrolls were written in a combination of Greek, Aramaic and archaic Hebrew and date from after the Septuagint. The Qumran fragments/scrolls may have also been influenced/taken from the Septuagint. We don't know as there are no records. The comparisons of the the various texts show differences between them which is why there is debate as to which is "accurate".

    Once again I'll quote Biglino (trans. pt3, 06:30) '..the only certainty we have is that we know that we don't know'.
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    When you say nobody believe this guy it is really insulting to many of us who are already well versed in your Bible-religion and your theology.
    i am not aware of any Scripture scholars backing up Biglino so in nobody i ment men of erudition



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    Therefore it will not be so tramatic for him when the truth comes to light, the belief system he has created for himself may adjust as the truth is slowly revealed. I feel for the millions who have been conditioned into power controlled lies. They may not be able to handle the truth when all becomes transparent. Hopefully Redezra can be there for them to assist them in their trauma.
    hopefully i'm not here when all hell breaks loose

    nobody believed Noah before the waters came

    but it came at the appointed time



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    Thank you RedeZra, you are completely correct in saying that the earliest complete version of the Tanakh is indeed the Septuagint and it was written by Jews, in Greek, between the 3rd to 2nd Century BCE. The fragments/scrolls from Qumran are from a later period (often dated as between the 2nd Century BCE and first century CE). In regards to the first complete versions of the Tanakh in Hebrew discovered, I think these date to between the 9th Century CE (the Codex Cairensis) and the 10th Century CE (the Leningrad Codex).
    yes so since there was a Greek version of the Hebrew Bible before Christ then it's not true to say that the Hebrew Bible is a medieval composition

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    Quote Posted by panopticon
    Thank you RedeZra, you are completely correct in saying that the earliest complete version of the Tanakh is indeed the Septuagint and it was written by Jews, in Greek, between the 3rd to 2nd Century BCE. The fragments/scrolls from Qumran are from a later period (often dated as between the 2nd Century BCE and first century CE). In regards to the first complete versions of the Tanakh in Hebrew discovered, I think these date to between the 9th Century CE (the Codex Cairensis) and the 10th Century CE (the Leningrad Codex).
    yes so since there was a Greek version of the Hebrew Bible before Christ then it's not true to say that the Hebrew Bible is a medieval composition
    G'day RedeZra,

    That is correct, as far as I understand it.

    There was obviously, at the very least, an oral transmission of certain traditions during the 3rd Century BCE otherwise the writing of the Septuagint would not have occurred (although this is all contested and some argue that the Septuagint was either never written or written much later than the generally accepted period as there is no copy of it, from that period, that has survived). It is possible that there may have been no earlier written version of the Tanakh (only a possible verbal transmission) but to comment more on this would be conjecture on my part. Are you saying that the individual texts of the Tanakh were initially composed between the 3rd Century BCE and 2nd Century BCE in Greek? I have heard that proposal before, however it is not the main stream view of the Tanakh's origin.

    Of course all this could change tomorrow with the discovery of scrolls from a much earlier period to assist in showing how the various traditions evolved over the centuries.
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    Thank you Billy...

    The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

    http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/...nn-genie-egypt
    This is very interesting! I can't believe a human thinks they can control a spirit, the "Jinn" was playing this person like a flute while making them believe the human is in control.

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    Thank you Billy...

    The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

    http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/...nn-genie-egypt
    This is very interesting! I can't believe a human thinks they can control a spirit, the "Jinn" was playing this person like a flute while making them believe the human is in control.
    This is my take:

    I feel We are on earth as Spirits inhabiting many forms. I feel we are here to learn Love and how to respect ourselves and others as Spirit in form.

    Spirits (all organic Living aspects of Creation and that could include Jinn) alive in some kind of body, may choose to value appropriate relationship to all other life: approaches such as honor, respect, developing of relationship to support the highest good of all concerned. This feels really good and seems to promote well fare. I think I need to understand that the same principles work on all levels and carry out actions supporting the principles.

    I read that article about the Jinn, when it first came out. I also have looked at John lamb Lash since then and the concept of the inorganic mimics of Life: Archons (can only live through Living beings as mind parasites). Humans seem to have been infected! It does not feel good to be used by this artificial intelligence. One is running scared and desperation prevails.

    There are beliefs that cause fear and encourage humans to make grave errors. Fear causes rationalization of the need to control other aspects of Life (including other spirits). In fact, I think this error may be called Sorcery because it uses the life energy of others. It is always rationalized as necessary. It is done for "survival" oriented selfish purpose. Belief in the need of Sorcery has led to such behaviors as blood sacrifice, molestation, violence of all kinds. Sorcery is definitely a dead end away from Love and respect for those who practice it.

    You can see much evidence that what passes as religion is systematized sorcery. Well meaning humans feed this machine because they have been led astray.

    The very notion of control (assuming the need and right of one to dominate another) is anathema for a Spiritually based world and leads us astray at whatever level it is attempted. Creator that is Everywhere is the ONE of which all is a part. I believe that if we are in concert with the ONE, we work in conjunction WITH, not control.

    Any humans or human systems aiding this theft takes us out of harmony within the ONE. When systems use and control: failing to honor sacred relationship, they are Archon inspired. The deeper we move into the mind set of the Archon's parasitic works, the harder it is to correct.

    With error at the heart of the reasons for "how things are done", no wonder we fail to prosper in the long run. We are without wisdom aiding and abetting the Grand Theft of Life Force.

    Arguing about the Bible is fairly useless. What is more useful to me is deeply feeling into truth. If one has the eyes and the ears to understand truth, the truth will be comprehended whether it is in King James or the phone book. The truth IS.

    If one feels one has to defend the truth, I'd say that person has a very weak connection with inner peace. But the good news is that peace can be restored through any activity that bypasses the mental labyrinth where parasites hold sway.

    True spiritual knowledge is revealed as one feels into a relationship with one's Source and I believe we all have access Source inspiration when we turn away from error.

    May it be so that I always may turn from error into truth, even whatever is mistaken in this rant (LOL) Delight

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    Thank you Billy...

    The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

    http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/...nn-genie-egypt
    This is very interesting! I can't believe a human thinks they can control a spirit, the "Jinn" was playing this person like a flute while making them believe the human is in control.
    I don't think control over another was the intention of the meeting, That i would say is a distraction from the conversation that took place and knowledge shared.

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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    hopefully i'm not here when all hell breaks loose

    nobody believed Noah before the waters came

    but it came at the appointed time
    Hopefully you are not planning an early departure in the next few years RedeZra. Stick around and enjoy Thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven
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    Default Re: Mauro Biglino: "The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible - The Gods Coming From Space"

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    Are you saying that the individual texts of the Tanakh were initially composed between the 3rd Century BCE and 2nd Century BCE in Greek?
    hi Panopticon

    the Tanakh or the Hebrew Bible is so called because it is mostly written in the Hebrew language

    there are only 250 verses - the books of Daniel and Ezra - out of a total of over 23 000 verses in the Hebrew Bible which are written in Biblical Aramaic


    the Septuagint is just a Koine Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible begun under king Ptolemy II of Egypt in about 260 BCE


    the Israelites had their Scripture scrolls in Solomon's Temple 3000 years ago

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