Where do I come from...?

[Deega]

Hi to all Avalonians and visitors,

I have read different things on the subject. And one particular interesting theory was the work of Zachary Stichin and lately Michael Tellinger. He (Tellinger) says that we are the genetic engineering of the gods Annunaki, and from his perspective, these gods came from Nemesis (Nibiru, Planet X, Wormwood, and lately Tyche) planet or system. And he ground his theories on Zachary Stichin, the Old Testament and the New Testament, and other old religious documents.

So if his theory is genuine, I have the DNA of the gods but, apparently (Tellinger view), I was cut short on potential (live longer, healthier, etc). I am the descendants of that race, so in this instance, I am their children, if this is true I’m an annunakian, hmm, how interesting....?

Should I be happy to be an annunakian?, if this the truth, I have all the reasons to be joyful, happy, glad that finally, the mystery is over… , the veil has fell finally… But, I didn't had the opportunity to meet them in the flesh or materially, or physically. Oh, what a day it would be if I ever have the opportunity to meet these gods.

I know that the Sumer Clay Tablets (Zachary Stichin, Sumer in Iraq) reveal the Annunaki experience on Earth. Clay Tablets would seem to have some truth, is it our truth?, Stichin, and Tellinger think so.

I know that the Old Testament and the New Testament have a great story of Adam and Eve, that Adam was created from clay, and Eve from Adam rib, what a story…! In this case, we are the children of God, the real one…?, apparently..?. Most of all the other religions has similar stories with their particular Gods.

May I asked, what is your perspective on where human being come from…? Who were our creator…?

All my blessings.

Deega

[Fredkc]

After giving this some thought (59 years and counting) I seem to come up with a few paradoxes.

We are, individually, and collectively the creation of the almighty, eternal source. Now, whether that is a white bearded, god who lives in the sky, or a big damned battery in Aunt Tillie's basement... is left to be determined.

We are the divine, perfect, and immortal creation of an infinite source - our imperfections the result of our own dealings with that gift. "Pre-forgiven" (a redundant term since foregiven already means that), when we face our "imperfections" we basically deal with ourselves, and our illusion.

Having "fallen" for this farce, about ourselves we therefore have "handed away" a portion of our choice to circumstance, and so, now seem to inhabit a physical presence designed by a committee. Still...

I am ultimately no other's creation. I/we are that wondrous thing which the Creator spoke forth. What always gets me is that, unless I pay very good attention, I am liable to forget that, every morning, as I stumble my way towards the coffee pot.

Fred

[frank samuel]

Fred you ol foggie niece post and Deega thanks for this thread.
A beautiful creation we are within the magnificence of an incredible dwelling place called planet earth, spoil by a few rotten apples yet even so the beauty remains. I try to remember that every morning as I crawl eyes wide shut to the coffee pot.

Many many blessings to all.

[Deega]

Posted by Fredkc (here)
After giving this some thought (59 years and counting) I seem to come up with a few paradoxes.

We are, individually, and collectively the creation of the almighty, eternal source. Now, whether that is a white bearded, god who lives in the sky, or a big damned battery in Aunt Tillie's basement... is left to be determined.

We are the divine, perfect, and immortal creation of an infinite source - our imperfections the result of our own dealings with that gift. "Pre-forgiven" (a redundant term since foregiven already means that), when we face our "imperfections" we basically deal with ourselves, and our illusion.

Having "fallen" for this farce, about ourselves we therefore have "handed away" a portion of our choice to circumstance, and so, now seem to inhabit a physical presence designed by a committee. Still...

I am ultimately no other's creation. I/we are that wondrous thing which the Creator spoke forth. What always gets me is that, unless I pay very good attention, I am liable to forget that, every morning, as I stumble my way towards the coffee pot.

Fred

Thanks Fred, a few comments to stimulate the discussion,

Your imagery of “a big dammed battery in Aunt Tillie’s basement” is a strange metaphor that put in perspective the divine expression of the Ying/Yang, positive/negative energies which are at the foundation of life, interesting!

Our infinite source subdue by our imperfections, do you think that we may be able to overcome, change something…?

“We handed away a portion of our choice to circumstance”, you do mean to say that we have lost some control over ourselves…?

Many thanks.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Deega]

Posted by frank samuel (here)
Fred you ol foggie niece post and Deega thanks for this thread.
A beautiful creation we are within the magnificence of an incredible dwelling place called planet earth, spoil by a few rotten apples yet even so the beauty remains. I try to remember that every morning as I crawl eyes wide shut to the coffee pot.

Many many blessings to all.

Thanks Frank Samuel, great of you to stimulate the discussion,

You have a great perspective on the magnanimity of life.

All my blessings.

Deega

[kriya]

We are an immortal soul consciousness, a spark of the Divine. In plain English......we come from God. In my view whether we have been genetically manipulated by advanced races or not, is not the point. Our body is just a vessel to carry around our portable paradise, our soul essence which is from the infinite creator or source.

Love,

Kriya

[Deega]

Posted by kriya (here)
We are an immortal soul consciousness, a spark of the Divine. In plain English......we come from God. In my view whether we have been genetically manipulated by advanced races or not, is not the point. Our body is just a vessel to carry around our portable paradise, our soul essence which is from the infinite creator or source.

Love,

Kriya

Thanks Kriya for your post,

Yes, I love the “immortal soul consciousness”!

And also, it was well put that the, “body carry around our portable paradise, our soul essence from the infinite source”. “Portable paradise”is also one great imagery !

Are you aware if the Hindu had a say on where our Creator came from…?, galaxy…?, constellation...?, approximate time…?

All my blessings.

Deega

[kriya]

Posted by Deega (here)
Thanks Kriya for your post,

Yes, I love the “immortal soul consciousness”!

And also, it was well put that the, “body carry around our portable paradise, our soul essence from the infinite source”. “Portable paradise”is also one great imagery !

Are you aware if the Hindu had a say on where our Creator came from…?, galaxy…?, constellation...?, approximate time…?

All my blessings.

Deega

I can't take the credit for the soul being a portable paradise its from the words of Yogananda.

The idea of Brahman in Hinduism is an absolute concept, meaning that it was never created just IS, was never born and will never die. Is everywhere and doesnt come from any particular place. Is in creation and outside of creation (manifest and unmanifest). Humans find this concept impossible to understand because we live in a finite world of duality, with beginnings and endings. We can not comprehend the idea of an infinite creator very easily. That's why God in the Bible is defined as the I AM. No past or future just is.

Hope I haven't confused you.

Love,

Kriya

[Deega]

Posted by kriya (here)
I can't take the credit for the soul being a portable paradise its from the words of Yogananda.

The idea of Brahman in Hinduism is an absolute concept, meaning that it was never created just IS, was never born and will never die. Is everywhere and doesnt come from any particular place. Is in creation and outside of creation (manifest and unmanifest). Humans find this concept impossible to understand because we live in a finite world of duality, with beginnings and endings. We can not comprehend the idea of an infinite creator very easily. That's why God in the Bible is defined as the I AM. No past or future just is.

Hope I haven't confused you.

Love,

Kriya

Thanks Kriya for the follow-up,

You didn’t confused me, you’ve informed me, thanks.

Absolute concept, IS, we are in presence of our soul / spirit here, aren’t we…?, and in this way, I’m all with it.

You probably know the “I AM” Center in Mount Shasta, interesting.

All my blessings.

Deega

[zenith]

I tried to post three words- 'THE INNER SUN'.
It was automatically translated to 'The inner sun'.
It must think I don't know what I want to post.

[Deega]

Posted by zenith (here)
The inner sun.

Thanks Zenith for your post,

May you develop this "inner Sun" version...? What is it for you the Inner Sun...?

All my blessings.

Deega

[zenith]

Hi Deega,

Some call it Pearl, Source, Essence, God, GOD.
I call it THE INNER SUN.
All that can be said about it is- it is what it is.

Peace

[Deega]

Posted by zenith (here)
Hi Deega,

Some call it Pearl, Source, Essence, God, GOD.
I call it THE INNER SUN.
All that can be said about it is- it is what it is.

Peace

Thanks Zenith,

All my respect.

My blessings.

Deega

[Buchanan561]

The excerpts below are from the book
Edgar Cayce's ”Story of the Origin and Destiny of Man"
by Lytle Robinson, published in 1972.

Elliott Hughes contacted the Penguin Group for permission to use this material in his book and on his web site. Below this post you will find a beginning page and chapter of a book that was given to me by Elliott Hughes two years ago. He sent me a book named.
THE ALIEN PRESENCE BOOK TWO: The Chaos Theory of Human Evolution

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He has given me permision to give a copy to anyone on a forum where I read and post. I just send it to them by e-mail as an attached mail upon their request to me. It is easy to do and the book is very valuable. This is the most exciting and informative book you can read regarding this topic and I could not put it down and have read it over and over many times. I am not paid to say this (smile)

Here is link to pdf file of its fist two chapters you can download or read free.

http://www.netherworld.com/~walkerk1...rigin_Free.pdf

This is website of Elliott Hughes with reviews. The One signed Trish used to be with Avalon1 member as well as I. below that is EmmaB and that is me. We had a lot of long chats and I shared information with him regarding something I had seen when a child. a hybrid.

http://www.netherworld.com/~walkerk1/Reviews.html

This is Hugh's large website with many links
http://www.netherworld.com/~walkerk1/page2.html

We both thank Mr. Hughes for his excellent presentation. Everything he has written in these books
fits in with what we have believed for a long time but never saw it in such an excellent presentation.

"This author not only writes about what he has found in his research but also his thinking processes
showing how he came to his conclusions and believes what he believes. This makes him so
much more credible and believable. It all fits."

-Emma B.

From Edgar Cayce Book;
..."To Amilius was given the keeping of the earth-sphere. The mineral, plant
and animal kingdoms were thriving long before man entered this plane. They were governed by immutable laws already set in motion. Souls still in the spirit were attracted by matter and came to the new outer realms in large numbers.

The earth was only one of many spheres that came into their paths and to which they were drawn.

"Those souls, still in the spirit, who were attracted to the earth plane observed the forms of animal life and the fleshy ties. They hovered about it, viewing the abundance of growing things in the slowly cooling and tropical earth. They saw the fruit of the land and wanted to taste it; they observed the sex life of the animals and wanted to experience it. Since desire impelled them to seek expression in matter, they partook more and more of the material, becoming eaters of, feeders upon their physical surroundings.

"Since souls were also self-conscious viewpoints possessed of God and capable of being that which God is, they played at creation--imitating the Creator. Thus they became absorbed with their own creative powers, with which they had been endowed from the beginning, and they mimicked the beasts of the fields and the fowls of the air, dreaming up ideas of bodies it would be pleasant to inhabit.
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"Thoughts are deeds, and these desires eventually materialized; for from the beginning the resources of all creation have been available to man. The forms so conceived were at first merely in the nature of thought-forms or visualizations, made by pushing themselves out of themselves in whatever manner desired--much in the way of the atom which, when split, eventually forms two more complete atoms; or as the growth of the amoebae in the waters of a stagnant pool, which multiply themselves again and again. As the gratification of their carnal and material desires took shape, however, the forms hardened or congealed into matter itself and took on the colour of the environment, much as a chameleon adapts itself or takes on the color of its surroundings.

"The mentality of the soul was its predominant activity, or direction of growth. The fact that the mental was constantly seeking expression in and becoming attached to the material necessitated a division of the mind-force. This resulted in the phases of thought-process; the Conscious mind which gives direction to the building-up, use and control of matter; the subconscious or unconscious which is the storehouse of memory, the inter-between; and the super conscious which is devoted entirely to the soul-mind.

"These are not three distinct minds but rather are the functions of one mind at three different levels...
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"The first female was called Lilith, the forerunner of Eve, and a conglomeration of monstrosities emerged. The Cyclops, the satyr, centaur, unicorn and various forms mentioned in mythology, having animal bodies and human heads, came into existence. Thus the souls who had been hovering about, influencing and directing, inhabited bodies which were projections of their own mental creations--and propagated a race of monstrosities.

"Their bodies were their own creations, not God's. These were the daughters of men, the giants in the earth, of the Old Testament. So a weird, corrupt state of existence came into being, but it was the beginning of a new period of evolution for the soul--the long struggle for spirit's conquest over matter.
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"The monstrosities roamed the earth and mixed with the animals. Sex was the determining factor, as symbolized by the serpent. Through their offspring souls were being born again and again into a prison of matter from which they could not extricate themselves. Trapped in these grotesque bodies, man as such was drifting further away from his Source, the harmonious existence in peace and love which had been his. This he had willfully discarded for the selfish gratification of the carnal; and he had accomplished it by the spiritually destructive use of creative powers for self. This was the Original Sin of man.
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"Only in the earth did souls take on matter and become physical. In other planes and realms--other states of consciousness--the plan for evolution of the spirit varied. Only in the physical, three-dimensional plane does the transition from one plane to another necessitate the process call birth and death. The soul, the spirit of God in man, has been immortal from the beginning. It is not born and does not die, for souls are as corpuscles in the body of God, the Whole."


Elliott Hughes Book. The Chaos Theory of Human Evolution
A paragraph from the book.

one paragraph here:

Introductionn
The Bloodline ProjectThe secret narrative of why humans were really created,
as found in the Bible
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Sometime before his death in 1945, Edgar Cayce, the “Sleeping
Prophet,” made several startling revelations about humanity’s
origin: that Adam and Eve were not the first humans; that the first
humans “materialized” here from another, higher dimension; that they
were divine, god-like beings who came to this dimension as thoughtform
projections. They materialized in the guises of the hybrid fantasy
creatures mentioned in mythology—the Sphinx, the unicorn, the
satyr (i.e., “goat-demon”), the mermaid, the entire myriad of fantasy
creatures that were thought to be only myth or legends.
These pre-Adam humans came to this dimension as a lark. They
thought it would be “fun.” But the more they had sex with the animals
and each other, the more they ate and partook of this dimension, the more their thought-form bodies congealed. Eventually, they
were unable to return to the homelands of the higher dimensional realms
and became trapped in this dimension. The entrapment lasted for
hundreds of thousands of years.
Cayce hinted that a race of extraterrestrials had been enlisted to
attempt to “rescue” the hapless pre-Adam humans. Cayce did not name
the extraterrestrials but referred to them as “the sons and daughters of
the Most High.” This was a euphemism for the alien race known as the
Anunnaki—the sons and daughters of Anu. Their genetic creation of the
race of Adam was but a step in a series of steps designed to help free the
entrapped souls and to create “safe vessels” for them that could be
evolved, unlike many of the hybrid creatures who could not be taught.
(In this light, the human species is a transitional state that we seem to be
stuck in.)


You can read those entire two first chapters at the link above, and.....If you would like to have the complete e-book in your computer just e-mail me and I will send it to you as a gift and this is with Mr. Hughs blessings.

Buchanan561@aol.com

If one is really interested in how we came to be on this planet, why we are here, what are we really, what did we look like in the very beginning of our adventure here on Tera, and what Extra Terrestrial entities were always involved with us, and what part did they play in our bodily creation and our evolution, or should I say....lack of appropriate evolution...etc. then you need this easy to read explanation to learn how and why you are here. I have been aware of this for years.
My blessings to all. Emma


I posted about this on another thread called:

If a person was to be cloned wher ewill his /her soul come from?


Most of this information has been common knowledge among many of researchers and writers. I have known for quite some time. I just wish for others to have exposure to this information. It all fits when you study it well. Emma

[Buchanan561]

Is there something gobbling up posts that are being written. I just spent an hour putting together a post here which was quite long and when I hit the post button to post it just disappeared and the page said it could not accomodate me or something to that effect. Does someone read the posts as they are being written and then because they don't like the post maybe make it disappear? I would like to know as it has happened to me before on another forum so I stopped posting for a long time. I would like an answer. emma

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Is there something gobbling up posts that are being written. I just spent an hour putting together a post here which was quite long and when I hit the post button to post it just disappeared and the page said it could not accomodate me or something to that effect. Does someone read the posts as they are being written and then because they don't like the post maybe make it disappear? I would like to know as it has happened to me before on another forum so I stopped posting for a long time. I would like an answer. emma


I just tried it again and this software is refusing to put this through

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Is there something gobbling up posts that are being written. I just spent an hour putting together a post here which was quite long and when I hit the post button to post it just disappeared and the page said it could not accomodate me or something to that effect. Does someone read the posts as they are being written and then because they don't like the post maybe make it disappear? I would like to know as it has happened to me before on another forum so I stopped posting for a long time. I would like an answer. emma


I just tried it again and this software is refusing to put this through

the sign is say that this software cannot read this format. what does that mean,.

[blue777]

Hello Buchanan ,
Do not get paranoid, it has accepted both of your posts.....the first one being long...
I think you will find there is no vetting on posts
lol
blue

[morguana]

Posted by Buchanan561 (here)
Is there something gobbling up posts that are being written. I just spent an hour putting together a post here which was quite long and when I hit the post button to post it just disappeared and the page said it could not accomodate me or something to that effect. Does someone read the posts as they are being written and then because they don't like the post maybe make it disappear? I would like to know as it has happened to me before on another forum so I stopped posting for a long time. I would like an answer. emma[COLOR="red"]

I just tried it again and this software is refusing to put this through

the sign is say that this software cannot read this format. what does that mean,.

your posts are there emma, if in future you have posting problems please pm a mod or admin (as it is better to ask than to leave a msg in a thread hoping someone will help) and no posts do not get read as written......my goodness we are volenteers and hardly have time to do the bits on the forum that need to be done!
blessings
m

[heyokah]

Would you mind if I'm just reading (and listening with the heart) for this moment ??
I don't want to comment (yet), but I really want to follow the discussion.
This way I can easily find the thread back in my "subscribed threads box"

Thanks guys !! Keep on posting

[777]

Just for the record, incase the mods haven't spotted it yet....

It says it's invalid 404 to reach this thread. It's not, it's fine. Just remove the % sign from before the number 85 in your address bar.

Back on topic......It's looking more and more likely as evidence mounts up that we (humans) have been genetically engineered by arguably more than one ET race. It also looks likely given our remote position in a remote galaxy (in a galaxy far far away........yes I AM suggesting that) we're only at the very start of our galactic relationships and already in the middle of a war.

These things should not trouble us. You're here to do YOU. The rest is merely contagious....

[Steven]

Hello Deega,

Considering we have indeed been genetically manipulated by a foreign intelligent race of beings.

From a material view; dna, cross breeding, descendant, lineage, etc... You goes right into the molecular world, then the atomic world, then... We are all coming from Earth, it could go on and on in the infinite grand or the infinite small... Doesn't matter if we have been in our history, genetically manipulated by foreign intelligent life, we are Earth's offspring. That is what matters.

The idea that we have part of our genes to be alien gives no rights to the manipulator over humanity. They are responsible for their intervention over our natural evolution, but have no right upon us. Everything on Earth that is natural to her was born first in her own consciousness. Humanity is not foreign to Earth, it might have been manipulated, but the genuine humankind was born on Earth. It is my opinion.

So, what do we do? We simply take our own responsibility to become the best Earth's protectors and caretaker. There is no other way and my hope for humanity will always be this one. I hope we will learn from our own experience and avoid reproducing what we may have suffer. We do intervene genetically over different species of our world. That's the pattern of a victim consciousness needed to be transcended.

Great change are coming and it is good news. A solid, stable system can not be removed because it is solid and stable. The people sees no need to change it. It is when the system shows its weakness that it can be change, because the people sees its failure and forsee its fall. It is like an empire. The sytem will collapse, but a new one is already emmerging, not waiting to reconstruct on the dust of the old one, but rather to push the old one and expose it with more contrast, so the world have solutions at hand.

Above all, we are souls. Coming into the material world to experience life and evolve. No authority has rights over the destiny of a soul except Creation itself. We are responsible for all that comes out of us and are our own judge. That is also my opinion. No outside force have right over us or over Earth. What has been done in the past is part of our history and we must create from this situation with hopes.

Namaste, Steven