Re: Fear and Loathing in PA: Fear is the mindkiller
Thank you for taking the time to explain your comments further:
I actually agree with this without qualification. I have my own bones to pick with the so-called New Age movement as a whole that sort of mirror your characterization of some of its more widespread tenets as being based upon "distraction techniques" and "flattering..." of the ego as well. This is a dangerous propensity but is, yet again, based upon fear. Of awakening fear within those who seek to belong and do not seek to be left out, of those who want to keep up and do not want to be left behind, of those who want to be in the know rather than a part of the herd.Posted by realitycorrodes (here)
New Age spiritual propaganda uses distraction techniques. It also uses "flattering the spiritual persons ego". Example: New Age spirituality teaches we are "chosen" (red flag right there) and as such we are special. When we are special we are given "special lessons" to learn etc. etc.
So people join a herd. A smaller herd, a herd that has sets of beliefs that do fit beneath a banner or a standard to a degree, but that also allows for a sense of individuality, which naturally gives rise to egocentric tendencies, pride and emotional clinging to yet another form of identity which must be protected at all costs.
I see where you are coming from. I do not proselytize "New Age spiritual propaganda". I base my comments upon personal experience, psychological standards and spiritual tenets that are ancient in conception and that span a number of traditions, and so cannot be ascribed to any one, let alone purely as a form of "woo-woo New Age philosophy". I suppose the perspective that we each take is paramount here. What we see and read in what others say is based upon our own understanding of the world, what we have learned, our knowledge-bases and what we decide based upon our own experiences and inner-barometers of truth vs falsehood. Coming from a path of moderation and holistic synthesis based upon an understanding of unity-based consciousness and energetic resonance across multiple, parallel and infinite fields of density ranging from pure creation to pure entropy, my perspective seeks the path of least resistance which, in my view, validates shared experience as experientially pertinent to multiple perspectives, paradigms and cultural outlooks.
Yet no one comtemplates intensely upon the fact that the special lessons being learned (e.g. overcoming fear) are actually quite trivial in relationship to the "disproportionate amount of pain" one has to experience such lessons. When one comprehends such things one can only come to the conclusions that the root program of physical pain is designed to be cruel. The primary intention is cruelty.
From that, my, perspective, you cannot separate the act of "overcoming fear" from the process of "experiencing fear", no matter what the source of that fear might be. By assigning a moral judgement of "cruelty" to these simultaneously higher and lower experiential memes, the sublime intentions of creation itself are limited to the conceptual framework of a dualistic entity mired in the morass of limitation and, yet again, fear-based thinking. Cynical, prideful, suspicious, sarcastic and even more indirectly fearful. This seems to me to be a further descent into separation and obfuscation rather than a coalescence into unity and clarity.
In the physical world? Is that a goal worth pursuing?
Stating that fear is imaginary is like stating that the world around us is illusory. Useful at the theoretical and philosophical level of understanding, but useless and actually counter-productive in the practical and lived-reality level of understanding. It is unworkable. Walking around declaiming that nothing is real and imperiously ignoring emotional states will find one dead, run over by a bus that is actually quite real indeed or shot in the head by someone thinking they're ridding the world of one more crazy fool. Fear is multi-dimensional in nature, it is an energetic formulation that is as real as the consciousness that we assign it.
When you realise and admit that that is what we all really seek then we also realise that there are no real teachers out there....cause the fake teachers are all teaching us to overcome an imaginary fear - they keep us thinking that the imaginary fear is our root problem when all fear comes from physical pain.
In this, we again agree without qualification. Fear is to be surmounted to the extent that, as a condition of material existence, it serves to protect us, and yet can be over-extended unnecessarily into areas of our perception that it would serve us better to clear of such distractions. Which is the point of all of this ... to acknowledge that fear exists, sometimes where we least expect it. Or where we do not think we need to, or want to, look.
When I was a child I was not frightened of the fire before I put my hand in - I had no prior programing towards it as good or bad. But once I felt the physical pain of being burnt, I was scared to ever do it again! And the pain I suffered that day was not limited to creating fear in me just about fire it made me concerned that other things not known may be worthy of being frightened of as well.
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, an animal senses fear, but so does the universe and that can bite you as well!
I like that, "the spiritual wedge in the grid of control". Kind of gives what I feel is a notable perspective on what this forum and our interactions serve as. Oh don't get me started on the 'not fitting into the tribe' thing. As a perennial Outsider and representative Other (for obvious reasons) I have quite a lot to say on that topic. But it remains an issue, even here, in the so-called alternative community. One of the biggest issues.
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