Perversion and Corruption of Namaste and other things that have been corrupted.....

[Sebastion]

Ok Another bob, you've gone an done it now! You forced me to clean the coffee off my laptop and the carpet after I had to, unceremoniously, pick myself up off the floor in fits of laughter. Please excuse me now, that I may compose myself....

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Another bob:

You are accurate in your assessment but to continue using the same wisdom, you would also know that your post was entirely unnecessary as well.....funny how that works...

Posted by another bob (here)
The more that's said, the less that's said.

Funny how that works.

No, my post was noble and true, conducive to liberation, brave and forthright, elegant in its simplicity and yet born from deep wisdom and other good and wholesome stuff, while yours is an excercise in adolescent casuistry, a perversion and corruption of my ancient wisdom, a dark-sided liguistic trickery rife with other bad stuff, undermining all that's real and right about true love and light -- in short, a perfect example of the very thing we're spending all this time making an example of, for example.

;yo:

[another bob]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm not sorry.

I've seen more wakening up in the last 2 months than I have in the last 20 years. Not a gentle waking up with lots of love and drifting into a reality of butterflies but a lot of people snapping to attention and going, "I'm tired of all this BS! I don't know what the truth is but it ain't this crap"

Wow, deja vu all over again! I remember us saying the same thing back in the 60's. We were fed up with the BS then -- the corruption and perversion -- and we weren't going to take it anymore. I remember writing long tracts like yours, railing against the dream machine. It seemed the whole world was waking up -- any minute now -- but after a while, I came to realize that there is no end to delusion in this realm, the more things change the more they stay the same, and the only real option was to change myself first and move on from this rock without further delay.

[Vivek]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm not sorry.

I've seen more wakening up in the last 2 months than I have in the last 20 years. Not a gentle waking up with lots of love and drifting into a reality of butterflies but a lot of people snapping to attention and going, "I'm tired of all this BS! I don't know what the truth is but it ain't this crap"

Wow, deja vu all over again! I remember us saying the same thing back in the 60's. We were fed up with the BS then -- the corruption and perversion -- and we weren't going to take it anymore. I remember writing long tracts like yours, railing against the dream machine. It seemed the whole world was waking up -- any minute now -- but after a while, I came to realize that there is no end to delusion in this realm, the more things change the more they stay the same, and the only real option was to change myself first and move on from this rock without further delay.

I am actually a fan of quoting other sources, finding gems that ring true for me, not to make my arguments for me but in order to stand on the shoulders of another and try to see the world how they see it... you know? Anyways, I think this blog post reinforces what you're bringing to the table, so I'd like to share it with you.

http://www.positivityblog.com/index....ing-the-world/

It's Ghandi's Fundamentals for Changing the World and I'm sure most of you have heard some of these before, but it's still refreshing.

[Anchor]

Posted by music (here)
Sorry John, but this is beyond semantics, ego, and even personal experiences. This society has already been successfully desensitised to violence, I have no intention of standing idly by while a contribution is made to the desensitisation of child rape. You may wish to live in a world where the consideration of child rape ceases to push buttons, but I do not. I essentially don't care a jot about any of the issues discussed in this thread, (except for noting a trend for undermining the parent/child bond, another NWO friendly idea) but this, I will not let stand.

Ok. I disagree with the notion that this thread is, in any way, intended to be a desensitisation to "child rape".

Furthermore, I state clearly now, I do not, and never will live in a world where child rape (or other crimes against children) ceases to push buttons.

I do recognize that these buttons are used and abused by those with an agenda - and that includes 9eagle9's usage in this thread. I personally concluded 9eagle9's usage was a use and not an abuse in this context, whereas you clearly did find it an abuse. It is ok, that is understood. What do you want to happen?

The problem with reacting as strongly as you have, is that by your own admission, you have overlooked the point - and somewhat contributed to demonstrating it.

It is a thin line I agree, but your particular approach totally overlooks the context and picks on that one singular issue and that is, in my humble opinion not fair play.

I imagine people who looked at that choice of "point making device" may have thought - "uh oh, that's a live one", and then either the connection was made or it was not. For those for whom it was not made I tried my best to explain it further. In some cases I was successful, in others not. That is ok too in my books.

In order to get the thread, I think that understanding that button pushing and the way in which that is used to control is a significant factor in the problems and the nature of the drama we have today. If you choose (as you have) to over look that, then we are not going to be able to communicate effectively on this particular threads main idea - which I have concluded had little to do with Namaste and everything to do with the programming that has been foisted on us.

It took the course it has, because the delivery was subtle and got under some of the filters in some of the readers in this thread - for those that understood it, it worked well. For those that didn't, it has been an ongoing drama.

I suppose, as usual, that when this happens to the point where no progress is being made then you get to a point where you have to agree to disagree.

I think we reached that point now.

Final word to say: I noted 9eagle9's response to the post I am responding to, and I will assure you that I do not regard your post as an assassination attempt of any kind

We all make what we see as mistakes in this life, maybe even 9eagle9! However, there are no mistakes in the unity perspective.

Lets stop fighting and start sorting things out - that's what we are here for - and there is a cast iron guarantee that each of us will do that differently because we are individuals.

John..

[9eagle9]

Yes, YES EYS YES YES . (collapses in a anticlamtic heap) WE see's the light!!

Precisely. Unforntunately People take these wisdoms and 'just hold them as a thought rather than doing them. More like to entertain the mind than master it. This is mastering the Critical Barrier, take away it's toys. Especially the link at the bottom of that page.

But still these gestures have to be put into practice...'doing YOUR work' Our inner landscape work.

Still something will be out there to dissuade us.

Recently I had to sigh over some very good brainwashing material because the author had implicated that Ghandi was CIA operative...lol. so imagine how many people are going to shy just to be on the safe side from this sort of essential wisdom if there's the slightest chance he's an operative. But doing what he says provides it's own evidence.

The next link at the bottom of the page is hugely imporant....

Espeically this one...

Surrender to the emotion that is already there.
It’s easy to get stuck in a loop of old memories. You may want to move away from them but there is a feeling there that brings them back over and over. So you need to decrease the power that feeling has over you. And you don’t do it by fighting it. You do it by surrendering to it.<<<This is all about Critical Barrier. The feeling is a loop within your mind that you are feeding with more energy by resisting it. When you accept the feeling then you stop feeding it and it vanishes.

we have to allow ourselves to feel these emotions without judging them, or sucking them down. But we have a hard doing tis because of *i'LL REALLY YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT!!*

And... The new age has taught that if your not happy all the time and in some freakishly blissed state constantly sending love to others that something is wrong with you. *You're not spiritual*

You cannot send love to others and mean it if you have all this stuck emotion. It's an energy working through all this dense stuck ugly pent up emotion. When you release this you will begin not to sense reverence but irreverence. Things became irrelevant to you, and then more space is made and more reverent energy comes in.

This is the silver bullet way to release stuck emotions. It is so simple and people overlook in favor of chakra flogging. How we learn to manage our emotions so they are not managing us. People think just acknowleding they are sad or unhappy doesn't suffice, just 'knowing' they are, you have to FEEL the emotion and people in their feel good addiction won't do it, they want to run out and get another fix to mask the feeling instead of just ....letting it release. You don't have to create love n light junkie drama when you feeling the real thing.

We have to get this old **** dealt with, in the now, and the present, we make a space for the sacred. then every time you feel it, put your hands together and namaste. Soon you will automtically go into that namaste palce because you have reveresed conditioning. It takes just few minutes to shift this crud.

Instead people decide they are depressed, panick because somethings 'wrong' with them , and go get a pill to mask it.

You just sit in that emotion and it really does lift after a few minutes of accepting it. I'm sad, I guess I'll just sit and wallow in sadness" What is wrong with that? Nothing. There's nothing wrong with feelings until we don't start managing them. It hurts to be sad, it hurts us....so let it out. It's hurting you so feel it . When you feel it you know its releasing. Instead we start to feel it and suck back and react instead.

If you allow yourself space to be sad or unhappy or hurt we don't react to other people, and accuse them of not caring about our feelings. No, YOU AREN"T caring or caretaking your feelings. This is what honoring your feelings are..not excusing, caretaking them so you're not flipping out in public and projecting dense energy at other people. Fake filtered love is gross, blehhhh, I prefer some one authentically climbing up my arse in a real way than someone sending me fake love...Its pukey, we know intuitively its just their dreck.

Instead we suck it up and it erupts at inappropriate times. Causing people to say' We are never angry for the reasons we think" Or sad.
This is it bottom,

Thank YOU for posting.

I see you.

[Vivek]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes, YES EYS YES YES . (collapses in a anticlamtic heap) WE see's the light!!

Precisely. Unforntunately People take these wisdoms and 'just hold them as a thought rather than doing them. More like to entertain the mind than master it. This is mastering the Critical Barrier, take away it's toys. Especially the link at the bottom of that page.

But still these gestures have to be put into practice...'doing YOUR work' Our inner landscape work.

Still something will be out there to dissuade us.

Recently I had to sigh over some very good brainwashing material because the author had implicated that Ghandi was CIA operative...lol. so imagine how many people are going to shy just to be on the safe side from this sort of essential wisdom if there's the slightest chance he's an operative. But doing what he says provides it's own evidence.

The next link at the bottom of the page is hugely imporant....

Espeically this one...

Surrender to the emotion that is already there.
It’s easy to get stuck in a loop of old memories. You may want to move away from them but there is a feeling there that brings them back over and over. So you need to decrease the power that feeling has over you. And you don’t do it by fighting it. You do it by surrendering to it.<<<This is all about Critical Barrier. The feeling is a loop within your mind that you are feeding with more energy by resisting it. When you accept the feeling then you stop feeding it and it vanishes.

we have to allow ourselves to feel these emotions without judging them, or sucking them down. But we have a hard doing tis because of *i'LL REALLY YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT!!*

And... The new age has taught that if your not happy all the time and in some freakishly blissed state constantly sending love to others that something is wrong with you. *You're not spiritual*

You cannot send love to others and mean it if you have all this stuck emotion. It's an energy working through all this dense stuck ugly pent up emotion. When you release this you will begin not to sense reverence but irreverence. Things became irrelevant to you, and then more space is made and more reverent energy comes in.

This is the silver bullet way to release stuck emotions. It is so simple and people overlook in favor of chakra flogging. How we learn to manage our emotions so they are not managing us. People think just acknowleding they are sad or unhappy doesn't suffice, just 'knowing' they are, you have to FEEL the emotion and people in their feel good addiction won't do it, they want to run out and get another fix to mask the feeling instead of just ....letting it release. You don't have to create love n light junkie drama when you feeling the real thing.

We have to get this old **** dealt with, in the now, and the present, we make a space for the sacred. then every time you feel it, put your hands together and namaste. Soon you will automtically go into that namaste palce because you have reveresed conditioning. It takes just few minutes to shift this crud.

Instead people decide they are depressed, panick because somethings 'wrong' with them , and go get a pill to mask it.

You just sit in that emotion and it really does lift after a few minutes of accepting it. I'm sad, I guess I'll just sit and wallow in sadness" What is wrong with that? Nothing. There's nothing wrong with feelings until we don't start managing them. It hurts to be sad, it hurts us....so let it out. It's hurting you so feel it . When you feel it you know its releasing. Instead we start to feel it and suck back and react instead.

If you allow yourself space to be sad or unhappy or hurt we don't react to other people, and accuse them of not caring about our feelings. No, YOU AREN"T caring or caretaking your feelings. This is what honoring your feelings are..not excusing, caretaking them so you're not flipping out in public and projecting dense energy at other people. Fake filtered love is gross, blehhhh, I prefer some one authentically climbing up my arse in a real way than someone sending me fake love...Its pukey, we know intuitively its just their dreck.

Instead we suck it up and it erupts at inappropriate times. Causing people to say' We are never angry for the reasons we think" Or sad.
This is it bottom,

Thank YOU for posting.

I see you.

This thread continues to surprise me in ways that I can't quite describe at the moment. Those were some tough stones... thanks for being my mirror.

Sincerely, I salute your divinity.

***EDIT/UPDATE***

Got to surfing around that blog, not bad... I came across this page too, which in many respects describes the reason I stuck with this thread—more or less, lol. It's about stepping out of your comfort zone and actually I think it's a good read for the forum in general.

http://www.positivityblog.com/index....relationships/

[9eagle9]

If I had the advice for the 60's it would have been exactly what the Gandi post says. Now that you have got in touch with your feeligns, please do something about them and don't get stuck there.

INstead you got stuck there, for more than forty years. thats a BIG emotional block...lol.

Well...you got lost in the Sixties, it was all about 'Your Feelings' and people couldn't cope with their feelings so they dropped some blotter acid to blot them all out, and tuned into Jimmy, Jim, and Janis who strangely enough all died untimely deaths...by not coping with their feeligns. Once you get in touch with them....you have to do something with them.

Now here 40+ years later, the emo exprss is arriving in the station-. AHH we have to do something with our feelings!

This is why people can't go inside. Who wants to go inside and find only yurky dense energy. No one is tempted to go inside when they have decades worth of stuck yurky energy because the people in the 60's , for all their idealism, didn't make it clear that it wasn't just about getting in touch with them, it was getting them out. Relasing them.


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Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm not sorry.

I've seen more wakening up in the last 2 months than I have in the last 20 years. Not a gentle waking up with lots of love and drifting into a reality of butterflies but a lot of people snapping to attention and going, "I'm tired of all this BS! I don't know what the truth is but it ain't this crap"

Wow, deja vu all over again! I remember us saying the same thing back in the 60's. We were fed up with the BS then -- the corruption and perversion -- and we weren't going to take it anymore. I remember writing long tracts like yours, railing against the dream machine. It seemed the whole world was waking up -- any minute now -- but after a while, I came to realize that there is no end to delusion in this realm, the more things change the more they stay the same, and the only real option was to change myself first and move on from this rock without further delay.

[another bob]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
If I had the advice for the 60's it would have been exactly what the Gandi post says. Now that you have got in touch with your feeligns, please do something about them and don't get stuck there.

INstead you got stuck there, for more than forty years. thats a BIG emotional block...lol.

Well...you got lost in the Sixties, it was all about 'Your Feelings' and people couldn't cope with their feelings so they dropped some blotter acid to blot them all out, and tuned into Jimmy, Jim, and Janis who strangely enough all died untimely deaths...by not coping with their feeligns. Once you get in touch with them....you have to do something with them.

Now here 40+ years later, the emo exprss is arriving in the station-. AHH we have to do something with our feelings!

This is why people can't go inside. Who wants to go inside and find only yurky dense energy. No one is tempted to go inside when they have decades worth of stuck yurky energy because the people in the 60's , for all their idealism, didn't make it clear that it wasn't just about getting in touch with them, it was getting them out. Relasing them.

Well, that's an interesting projection there, 9, although it bears little if any relation to the reality of the people I came up with over the decades. In fact, the whole so-called "spiritual movement" begun in the 60's has been exactly about going inside, discovering what's there (the good, the bad, and the ugly), and taking that knowledge into real life and relationships, so your fantasy of interpretation falls way short here. We weren't all tripping on psychedelics and avoiding feelings, as you would have the reader believe, but in fact were busy laying the groundwork so folks like you could enjoy decent whole foods, alternative programs of growth and education, voting freedom for minorities, and so much more it's futile to encompass within the confines of threads like this. It's really quite amazing how skewed your characterization is, but not unexpected, alas. Fortunately, we don't have to believe everything you think!

[9eagle9]

Yes those are constructs within our projected reality. No one said we can't have more pleasant environment within our carefully arranged illusion of life here.

Alas at this time still struggling with the very things that you have established. And we don't have access to whole foods much anymore, we have experienced the growth of unwholesome GM food, and the alternative programs of education are not accessible to everyone unless they are just alternative means of programming outside of the public education system, and we still don't have voting freedom. We have tricky ballot boxes. We are not voting we are pretending to vote. I'm sorry we have not been enjoying these things that you established in the 60's as you would like to think .

Given the content of this forum and how people post daily about the lack of the things that "you laid the ground work' for I'm going to say , that their failure to blossom into fruition is because of the very conditioning and programming that we are discussing here.

I'm sorry that your ideallism was not honored and executed the way that you intended . Not much of what was intended for us has come to pass the way that it was supposed to.. Again because of programs and conditioning.

No one has dismissed or dissed or even mentioned food, or education or voting thus far in this thread so you perhaps might want consider that the reason all your intentions didn't pan out the way that you would have liked is because of the very thing we are discussing in this thread. I would very much like to have a world where your contributions would be able to develop more without interference. It will much easier to intiate these sorts things, after some our social engineering conditioning has been taken out of the system.

And if the sixties was all about going inside and spirituality why had our unawareness of social conditioning and engineering not be a widely distributed source of information? I know that people realized it existed, they simply ddin't understand the extent that it existed starting inside of them.

Let's not get stuck in the 60's, Perhaps the time has come for us now?

[Fellow Aspirant]

Yes, YES EYS YES YES . (collapses in a anticlamtic heap)

What have you got against clams?

[another bob]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes those are constructs within our projected reality. No one said we can't have more pleasant environment within our carefully arranged illusion of life here.

Please remember that illusions also include feelings, which are in fact the weakest link in the chain of birth and re-birth.

Alas at this time still struggling with the very things that you have established. And we don't have access to whole foods much anymore

Totally wrong, and I can say that as an expert in the field. In the 60's, for example, natural foods business amounted to less than several million dollars per year nationwide. Now it's in the billions, and almost everyone has access to natural and organic food outlets, even in conventional supermarkets.

and the alternative programs of education are not accessible to everyone unless they are just alternative means of programming outside of the public education system

Again, totally wrong. There are more alternative schools offering real education possibilities than ever, including Montessori schools and their spin-offs, home schooling options, and various other innovative programs which were never even heard of back then.

and we still don't have voting freedom.

You obviously have no idea what things were like before the civil rights movements.

I'm sorry that your ideallism was not honored and executed the way that you intended . Not much of what was intended for us has come to pass the way that it was supposed to.. Again because of programs and conditioning.

On the contrary, we have far more lifestyle choices than ever, which was the purpose of the consciousness/political movements in the first place -- to provide choices.

It will much easier to intiate these sorts things, after some our social engineering conditioning has been taken out of the system.

Social engineering is one thing, but personal indoctrination is another. When I, as a young student back in the early 70's, asked my Zen teacher how long it would take to awaken, he told me that, for most people, it would take at least a couple of decades of de-programming before they were even ready to begin any real spiritual practice. That was pretty sobering, and consequently my own practice took the form of one long effort at deconstruction. I'll share one thing -- it's not going to happen on some public conspiracy forum, regardless of the tsunami of words being flung at paper tigers such as the NWO, or exhortations to "release feelings".

And if the sixties was all about going inside and spirituality why had our unawareness of social conditioning and engineering not be a widely distributed source of information?

Depends on where you've been looking. In my experience, it's always been right there in front of my face. Just for one example, if you happened to be looking for a Dharma Center back then, you'd maybe find a handful in the whole continent. Now there are thousands, filled with folks involved in very real practice, with very good teachers helping to break down that false conditioning.

I know that people realized it existed, they simply ddin't understand the extent that it existed starting inside of them.

Again, depends on the circles you've been travelling in. In my experience, that's been a rudimentary recognition (that it starts within).

Let's not get stuck in the 60's, Perhaps the time has come for us now?

I only mentioned it in the first place to indicate that what you've been going on about is nothing new, in response to your claim that everybody is now tired of the BS, the perversion and corruption, and are finally taking a stand.

[9eagle9]

Please remember that illusions also include feelings, which are in fact the weakest link in the chain of birth and re-birth.

You think? I didn't mention that about 1000 times, and in about 3o different ways? Tegra did warn me that women can't get away with these discussions. Women make are outrageous statements but if a man says esssentially the same thing, its wisdom....lol. I'm thinking perhaps he's not joking after all.

Totally wrong, and I can say that as an expert in the field. In the 60's, for example, natural foods business amounted to less than several million dollars per year nationwide. Now it's in the billions, and almost everyone has access to natural and organic food outlets, even in conventional supermarkets.

Does everyone have th eeconomics to afford the considerably higher priced organic foods. Access also means the 'means to buy them". When organic food production erases GMO foods I will be the first to shake your hand. We are not there yet. This about equality not Zen and what the top of the heap can still afford.

Again, totally wrong. There are more alternative schools offering real education possibilities than ever, including Montessori schools and their spin-offs, home schooling options, and various other innovative programs which were never even heard of back then.

What are they teaching? What is the curriculum? The Irish Origins of Civilization? Alternate histories?. How do their curriculumn differ APPRECIABLY from those of the public school systems. Montessori, eh? Everyone can afford to send their kids there? Here and across the US home schooling is more often than not revolving around religion, conditioning. My week day students are all home schooled, this is the alternate activity. Little muslim, where I have to run after them and keep them from the pig so I don't get thrown in jail for not respecting their religion and little Christian kids who I have to run after to make sure they are not associating with the heathen Muslim kids so I don't get thrown in jail for dismissing their religous beliefs. I teach them horse back riding. Extra curricular. Several different home schooled children all taught the same thing as public education kids with the addition of a wider variety of extacurricular actvities but still the same old song and dance, same history, and theology.

And I'm not overly concerened what the higher middle class and upper class can afford. This is suppposed to be about eqaulity not what the people who still have jobs can afford. Do we have all have access to these programs? No. Why?

Social engineering is one thing, but personal indoctrination is another. When I, as a young student back in the early 70's, asked my Zen teacher how long it would take to awaken, he told me that, for most people, it would take at least a couple of decades of de-programming before they were even ready to begin any real spiritual practice. That was pretty sobering, and consequently my own practice took the form of one long effort at deconstruction. I'll share one thing -- it's not going to happen on some public conspiracy forum, regardless of the tsunami of words being flung at paper tigers such as the NWO, or exhortations to "release feelings".

Yes did he explain to you that its because people resist the notion of doing it? Not only that they often times incapable of doign it. We're talking a entire subset of people not just people who are pursuing Zen. Did he give you a projection into the future that many of the old practices of enlightenment would , like Namaste, be perverted and corrupted into insensibility. Or that our masses of Dharma centers often times are Zen Master Mills. "Don't listen to those old fuddy duddy Zen Masters, it doesn't take decades to be enlightened you can be a Zen Master in a day!"


And that people who have increasingly grown more co dependent are being predated on by bull****, and shills that present 'do nothing pseudo spirituality' that this forum is awash in? So the folks in the 60's are starting to wake up. Now we just wait several decades while those born in the 60's , 70's , 80's and 90's can go through the machine of condition and old corrupted practices because we can't mention what has occured because your in life 60's was so splendidly enlightened, and patiently wait until they are fully endoctrinated, and then give them some information about doing their inner land scape work. Let's not warn them at all about how the conditioning is about all aspects of society including new garbage beliefs. And wait some more? Enlightenment is occuring on an energetic level now. People are feeling tremendous pressure and can't alleviate it , so we shouldn't mention any of this before the heat up goes up under the pressure cooker because...why?

I didn't suggest it we were going to be enlightened on Avalon or 'become'. I certainly never said that everyone should become Zen. Never said people should do their work here, I said very plainly where the work was done. That was iniating into deeper inner work, the self healing process, I didn't say it was overnight cure. A lot people dn't have access to Zen Masters or at least real ones, or access to much of anything that is authentic anymore. How about them. I'm happy that you are in a poistion that you got to toddle to a Dharma Center, but this about us. I don't want a world where people are left behind because you have some elitist attitude about how they should be able to acess their spirtual journey. It will cause more of the conflict, lest's get out of Zen for a moment, because this about ramming beleif systems down someones throat. That is a belief system and some people maybe want to get ouf to the belief system all together.

Some people don't want to be 'Zen' they want to be themselves.

[another bob]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
[Some people don't want to be 'Zen' they want to be themselves.

Well, in summary (since we seem to disagree on most of the above), I'd simply leave you with my sense that, as long as we're piddling around and fixating on petty non-issues like which words are most pc to close a post with, that desire will likely go unrealized.

[9eagle9]

Nothing as long as their fried and I have red beer to wash them down with. Anything is else is corruption of a perfect food group.

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
Yes, YES EYS YES YES . (collapses in a anticlamtic heap)

What have you got against clams?

[9eagle9]

I have no idea if it will go unrealized but people should able to make a choice to find their own their own free will before having Zen herding them down another avenue.

Let that be people's choice after they have the experience of getting rid of everything they are not. That's another catch phrase, Not Zen enough.

If beliefs and philosphies were dimes all people could afford organic food and Montessori schools. Maybe we won't start educating our children at all anymore.

Can't we just let them have their selves and know who they are before begin implying this Zen Avenue should be taken?

I went from outrageous and dramatic to politically correct in how many posts? I'm not buying that.

The reality of the human condition is not a petty non issue. You stilll think this is just a matter of namaste, you are a few pages behind here.

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
[Some people don't want to be 'Zen' they want to be themselves.

Well, in summary (since we seem to disagree on most of the above), I'd simply leave you with my sense that, as long as we're piddling around and fixating on petty non-issues like which words are most pc to close a post with, that desire will likely go unrealized.

[another bob]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The reality of the human condition is not a petty non issue. You stilll think this is just a matter of namaste, you are a few pages behind here.

From what I can tell, the "issue" for 9eagle9 seems to vary depending on whom you are directing your verbal avalanche to, and hence the wordy roller coaster from condescension over "New Agers" use of namaste, through all sorts of concepts about perversion and corruption, then to child rape, on to how the 60's generation keep their feelings locked up, how expensive natural foods are and what poor choices exist for education, then on to how many fuddy duddy Zen teachers and spiritual elitists are out there, and now it's "the human condition" in general. Whew! And I'm sure I've left out a few tangents on the way, but no matter -- it seems to me that you just like to argue for the sake of argument. I had a brother like that -- if we were for the Giants, he'd be for the Dodgers. At this point, I'm not even sure what you've really been on about, which reminds me of an old Al Einstein maxim that seems to apply:

“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”

In any case, I'm out this. Best of luck on that shifty old human condition!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Go Giants?

[Vivek]

This thread reminds me of Fight Club, remember that movie? Tyler Durden? Go ahead, look up some quotes from the meaty theme of that movie/book and tell me you don't see the connection here.

Here's an illustrative synopsis: http://frimmin.com/movies/fightclub.php

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Vivek (here)
This thread reminds me of Fight Club, remember that movie? Tyler Durden? Go ahead, look up some quotes from the meaty theme of that movie/book and tell me you don't see the connection here.

Here's an illustrative synopsis: http://frimmin.com/movies/fightclub.php

Apparently, someone has forgotten the first rule about fight club.

[Lettherebelight]

I have a sister who says 'namaste' when she drops the live lobsters into boiling water...now that's a corruption of Namaste in my book....wish I'd never mentioned it to her!

But, she doesn't think so. Takes all sorts I guess..