Project Avalon is Dying = A challenge, a solution

[peace]

there hasn't been alot of decent proof/evidence presented at this forum (hasn't been a a lot of decent proof/evidence at any of the others). there are too many here stuck on feelings and intuition and so-called 'resonance').

remember evidence leading to answers, leading to truth? when was the last time Collier, Wilcock, Bruisch, Dr. Greer, etc. & et al. presented anything that has ever amounted to any physical evidence or proof?

here's the challenge: don't waste your time. if you are going to interact - make it with purpose, with fact/evidence, with substance, with something we can all look at and say, "there is something here, there is more than an idea."

relying on those who say it was "channeled," or "I'm the only one that is talked to," or "i know it sounds crazy - trust me," doesn't count anymore. In short, the "just trust me" people of this movement should no longer be trusted.

Wilcock: trust me, pseudo science
Bruisch/Collier: I'm the only contact/pseudo science
Dr. Greer: have you seen the picture of his 'alien contact'? yikes/pseudo science
the list goes on, just making a point.

and i've said this before; the only difference between these guys and our dear atticus is we caught atticus early on in the game.

let's all move past it; let's all go about searching these ideas, the topics of this and other forums, as rationally as we can. We are only hurting the movement by not being grounded in the way we are going about seeking our truth.

example:trusting channeled information is not a strong way to convince anyone of your claims if it can not be verified, studied and backed up with evidence. why even bother?

we will in-fight and get no where as long as we rely on those "leaders" of this movement that have continually, over several years now, never given more than, "trust me."

i challenge you to rise above it and accept nothing less than what you deserve; to be treated like the smart adult you are.

and please - carefully read this post before replying on here smuggly that it's not my place to ask such things of you.

[CdnSirian]

In the Bill R. and Kerry C. interviews I have watched they make it clear that they do not endorse the information given in interviews. It is true that they indicate a trust in an interviewee if they continue to give them interviews. I never had the impression they they expect anyone to simply trust them.

I don't see that this forum is dying. But for any whose interests in the topics covered here, are not thriving - there are other forums.

It is certainly your place to express your views here. And you certainly can ignore anyone you like, if all they have to offer is feelings, intuition and resonances. I doubt that P Avalonians "just trust" anyone. That doesn't mean that they don't read info and want to discuss it. Come on, it's a forum.

[peace]

not endorsing is a cop out. of course they do.
it's time to step up and make this something.

[Douglass]

I appreciate the thread and I think it is an important topic, but in my humble opinion I think Avalon exists for people who A) want to discuss topics that are not the "norm" B) research and learn more on those topics.

My feeling is that the base of Avalon is a spiritual one. Our spirit and soul are connections to our maker, yet our maker is not deducible. So I think if one is only on the path of so called proof and evidence then they are on a path of intellectual materialism or spiritual materialism.

What PROOF or EVIDENCE are you seeking?

And in humble defense of David Wilcock, he has a crazy database of information... with lots of proof or things he says.

[noprophet]

When you tell people what/how to think, even with the best intentions - you're still telling them what/how to think.

Remember the whole free will mumbo jumbo - remember why you're stuck here?

Didn't think so.

[greybeard]

This forum is in good health there has just been a change of emphasis.
The spiritual section is very much alive and flourishing.
I dont go to the channeling part myself--- each to their own.

The whistle blower/conspiracy theorist section is quiet at the moment,
Nothing is constant--- if a major event happens, that comes under the heading of whistle blower etc, I am sure those interested in this here at Avalon will rise to the occasion.

Regards Chris

[lake]

PROOF or EVIDENCE



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ecular-biology

[Mu2143]

I suggest to focus on your self ,by checking out your dreams for spiritual progress etc.
Just ask GOD what you need to do.

Keep it simple ,because there are many rabit holes you can get lost in them if this is not your strong part.

[WhiteFeather]

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

[peace]

Posted by Douglass (here)
I appreciate the thread and I think it is an important topic, but in my humble opinion I think Avalon exists for people who A) want to discuss topics that are not the "norm" B) research and learn more on those topics.

My feeling is that the base of Avalon is a spiritual one. Our spirit and soul are connections to our maker, yet our maker is not deducible. So I think if one is only on the path of so called proof and evidence then they are on a path of intellectual materialism or spiritual materialism.

What PROOF or EVIDENCE are you seeking?

And in humble defense of David Wilcock, he has a crazy database of information... with lots of proof or things he says.

any proof.
and wilcock's "data" is a mass pseudo science, made up of a glossary of terms he's coined. go look at the popular supplement company, 'muscletech' and compare. made up words, to make you believe something is great.

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Posted by Mu2143 (here)
I suggest to focus on your self ,by checking out your dreams for spiritual progress etc.
Just ask GOD what you need to do.

Keep it simple ,because there are many rabit holes you can get lost in them if this is not your strong part.

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Posted by noprophet (here)
When you tell people what/how to think, even with the best intentions - you're still telling them what/how to think.

Remember the whole free will mumbo jumbo - remember why you're stuck here?

Didn't think so.

that statement is precisely the bs i'm talking about. that means nothing.just some weird, cryptic, passive agressive nonsense.

[lake]

So Peace this is true and a problem!

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ecular-biology

[LifeAngel]

In my opinion being a part of avalon is about keeping an open mind and giving others a chance to speak their part of the truth. Seeing the big picture of this, I dont think its a matter of who is wrong or right, but its a unification of like minds that will finally break the fog that we have all been living in. So far, from what I have seen in this forum, the majority do think alike and wish the same freedoms and truths to finally come out in this crazy but wonderful world of ours.

Its up to the individual members here to decide what they should believe, isnt it? We all have our hearts to guide us and send us warnings do we not?

I think our energies should be spent on "Being the change we want to see in this world", than judging and targeting others for what they believe in.

I am happy to be a part of this forum of good, like minded people who believe that a change has to be made in our world so we can move on to the next exciting stage in our evolution.
Whatever that may be, at least I know that I am not alone in that journey...

Thank you avalon friends.

LifeAngel

[Douglass]

David Wilcock has been researching the cutting edge of science and spirituality for many many years now. He has never once said "People follow me to salvation!" So if you do not like his material you don't have to follow it. I think he is a scientifically oriented mind and I feel I have learned a lot from him. Sometimes I feel he is off the mark especially about obama, but there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their unique ideas.

His database I was referring to is all his research he has stored over the past 10 + years.

[peace]

Posted by LifeAngel (here)
In my opinion being a part of avalon is about keeping an open mind and giving others a chance to speak their part of the truth. Seeing the big picture of this, I dont think its a matter of who is wrong or right, but its a unification of like minds that will finally break the fog that we have all been living in. So far, from what I have seen in this forum, the majority do think alike and wish the same freedoms and truths to finally come out in this crazy but wonderful world of ours.

Its up to the individual members here to decide what they should believe, isnt it? We all have our hearts to guide us and send us warnings do we not?

I think our energies should be spent on "Being the change we want to see in this world", than judging and targeting others for what they believe in.

I am happy to be a part of this forum of good, like minded people who believe that a change has to be made in our world so we can move on to the next exciting stage in our evolution.
Whatever that may be, at least I know that I am not alone in that journey...

Thank you avalon friends.

LifeAngel

hearts, feelings are great. and trust me i wouldn't post here if i didn't respect those here. just seems like a lot of people, put a lot of energy into circumstantial evidence at best.

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Posted by Douglass (here)
David Wilcock has been researching the cutting edge of science and spirituality for many many years now. He has never once said "People follow me to salvation!" So if you do not like his material you don't have to follow it. I think he is a scientifically oriented mind and I feel I have learned a lot from him. Sometimes I feel he is off the mark especially about obama, but there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their unique ideas.

His database I was referring to is all his research he has stored over the past 10 + years.

if you follow this community, this alternative community you can't just "not follow" something. these guys are quoted all over. as if it was the truth. cutting edge of science? phd or...?

[jaybee]

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speaking of proof or evidence......I just copied this There are currently 1415 users online. 184 members and 1231 guests


now that seems like pretty healthy numbers to me....

and...Total members that have posted the forum today: 243


the forum isn't dying.


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[lake]

Again Peace...............this is true and a problem!

And this is what this place is about.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ecular-biology

So what is your need for attention??

[peace]

Posted by jaybee (here)
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speaking of proof or evidence......I just copied this There are currently 1415 users online. 184 members and 1231 guests


now that seems like pretty healthy numbers to me....

the forum isn't dying.

ha! I appreciate that and all comments so far!

my meaning is: the mindset is dying-following bad science, bad rational as if it is truth

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Posted by simgaz (here)
Again Peace...............this is true and a problem!

And this is what this place is about.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ecular-biology

So what is your need for attention??

nice lame personal attack. what's the need for that?

my need is a call to action; a challenge. what did you read?

[lake]

If my response was incorrect then I say sorry.

If your manner is for the self, then I am so sorry.

Time is not a being which will have to tell.

[EnergyGardener]

nice lame personal attack. what's the need for that?

my need is a call to action; a challenge. what did you read?

For me it was the title.

[peace]

Posted by simgaz (here)
If my response was incorrect then I say sorry.

If your manner is for the self, then I am so sorry.

Time is not a being which will have to tell.

... backhanded apology? ok.