Bible morality or depravity?

[WyoSeeker]

Murder, rape and slavery sanctioned by god in the bible... (not my god, thank you)

Link here for full list with references

BIBLE MORALITY (King James Version)

Compiled by Barbara G. Walker, author of Man Made God, et al.
1. KILLING. (As in "Thou shalt not"...???)

The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7. The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265.

Gen 22:2 - God accepts human sacrifices (including that of Jesus, later).
Ex 12:29 - God kills all the firstborn in the land of Egypt.
Ex 15:3 - God is a god of war.
Ex 21:15, 17 - Anyone who strikes or curses a parent must be killed.
Ex 22:18 - Every witch must be killed.
Ex 22:19, 20 - You must kill anyone who "lieth with a beast," or who worships any god other than Yahweh.
Ex 31:15 - Anyone who works on the Sabbath must be killed.
Lev 20:10, 13, 27 - You must kill adulterers, homosexuals, wizards and spirit mediums.
Lev 21:9 - Any priest's daughter who fornicates must be burned alive.
Lev 24:16 - Blasphemers must be killed.
Num 16:27-33 - God caused the whole tribe of Korah -- men, women, and children -- to be buried alive.
Num 21:3 - God caused the destruction of all the Canaanites.
Numbers 31: The slaugher of the MidianitesNum 31:7-35 - God orders Moses to kill the Midianites, making sure to slaughter not only the men but also the boys and females, except for the 32,000 virgin girls.
Deut 3:4 - God is pleased that his warriors destroyed 60 cities.
Deut 7:16 - You must kill all the people God delivers into your hands, and "thine eye shall have no pity upon them."
Deut 13:5 - Any prophet or "dreamer of dreams," who serves another god, must be killed.
Deut 13:6-9 - If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tempts you to worship other gods, "thou shalt surely kill him."
Deut 13:13-15 - If the people of any city worship other gods, you must slaughter them all, including their cattle.
Deut 17:5 - Any man or woman who worships other deities of sun, moon or stars must be stoned to death.
Deut 18:20 - False prophets must be killed.
Deut 20:16-17 - God commands complete destruction of all Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, and "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth."
Deut 22:21 - A bride found not to be a virgin must be stoned to death.
Deut 22:22 - Adulterers must be killed.
Deut 22:23-24 - A girl who is raped within city limits, and fails to cry out, must be killed.
Deut 28:22-28 - If you don't obey God's commandments, he will punish you with consumption, fever, extreme burning, blasting, mildew, hemorrhoids, the scab, the itch, the botch of Egypt, etc., as well as "madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart."
Josh 6:21 - God's warriors destroyed Jericho and killed every man, woman, child, and domestic animal.
Josh 8:25 - God's warriors killed 12,000 people in the city of Ai.
Josh 19:47 - The children of Dan wanted more room, so they destroyed the whole population of Leshen and took their territory.
Judges 1:17-18 - Judah and Simeon utterly destroyed the populations of Zephath, Gaza, Askelon and Ekron.
Judges 11:39 - In accord with God's law, Jephthah was forced to burn his virgin daughter to death as a sacrifice.
[Judges 15:15 - Sampsons slays 1,000 men with the jawbone of an ass] Judges 15:15 - God enables Samson to kill 1,000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
Judges 20:46 - At Gibeah, Benjamin's men killed 25,000 people and burned every town.
1 Sam 6:19 - God kills 50,070 people for trying to peek into the Ark.
1 Sam 15:3 - God commands the destruction of Amalek: "Slay both men and women, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
2 Sam 6:7 - God kills Uzzah for touching the Ark, even though he was trying to save it from falling off its oxcart.
1 Kings 18:40 - God commands the slaughter of "prophets of Baal".
1 Kings 20:36 - Because a man didn't "obey the voice of the Lord," a lion was sent to kill him.
2 Kings 2:24 - God sent bears to tear apart 42 children for making fun of Elisha's bald head.
2 Kings 10:25 - God commands the killing of a multitude in the temple of Baal.
2 Kings 19:35 - God's angel killed 185,000 Assyrians in a single night.
1 Chron 21:14 - God kills 70,000 Israelites with a pestilence.
2 Chron 15:13 - Any man or woman who refuses to "seek the Lord God of Israel" must be killed.
Job 1:15-19 - God arranges the killing of Job's children, servants and animals.
Isa 13:16 - God promises that all the Babylonians' children will be "dashed to pieces before their eyes;" their wives will be raped.
Isa 45:7 - God says "I create evil."
Jer 48:10 - Killing for God is mandatory; God curses anyone who "keepeth back his sword from blood."
Jer 50:21 - God commands that the people of Merathaim and Pekod be "utterly destroyed."
Ezek 9:5-7 - God calls for purging in Jerusalem: "let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women... fill the courts with the slain."
Ezek 35:8 - God promises to fill the mountains, hills, valleys and rivers with slain men.
Hosea 13:16 - God promises to have Samaritan infants dashed to pieces, and pregnant women will have their bellies slashed open.
Nahum 1:2 - God is jealous, full of vengeance and wrath.
Zeph 1:3 - God threatens to destroy everything, man and beast, birds and fishes.
Zeph 1:18 - "The whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy."
Zeph 3:6 - God brags that he has destroyed many nations.
Zech 13:3 - A false prophet must be killed by his father and mother.

2. RAPE

Ex 21:7-8 - A father may sell his daughter to be a "maidservant" (or sex slave) who must "please her master."
Num 31:7, 18 - God orders his warriors to kill every living thing in a captured city, except the virgin girls, who are to be raped and turned into sex slaves.
Deut 21:11-12 - If a warrior likes the look of a female war captive, he can take her to be one of his "wives."
Deut 22:28-29 - A man who rapes a virgin may take her for a wife if he pays her father 50 shekels of silver. (Yet, a bride found not to be a virgin must be stoned to death - Deut 22:20-21).
Judges 5:30 - The spoils of war include "a damsel or two" for every man.
Judges 21:12-23 - God's warriors killed all the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead except for 400 virgin girls, who were taken as slaves. If there are not enough girls to go around, God's warriors may raid neighboring towns for more to rape.

3. SLAVERY

Gen 9:25 - God cursed Ham, son of Noah, with perpetual slavery for the crime of seeing his father naked. (Ham was formerly considered the ancestor of all "blacks.")
Ex 21:4 - A male slave may marry and have children, and may go free after six years; but his family remains the property (or hostages?) of his master.
Ex 21:7 - A man may sell his daughter as a sex slave.
Ex 21:20-21 - A man may be punished for beating a male or female slave
to death, but if the victim survives the beating for a few days, then
there is no penalty.
Lev 19:20 - When a man has sex with a female slave (or "bondmaid"), SHE must be scourged.
Eph 6:5 - Paul says slaves must obey their masters "with fear and trembling."
Titus 2:9 - Paul says slaves must obey and please their masters.
1 Tim 6:1 - Paul says slaves must "count their masters worthy of all honor."

[Fundy Gemini]

I'm assuming your question is rhetorical

[mosquito]

Thanks. I've long wanted a centralised repository of biblical quotes which show yahweh's true nature.

Useful, especially for those in the new-age movement who insist on telling you "the bible is a praarsperity workbook".

[RedeZra]

Posted by WyoSeeker (here)
The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7. The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265.

before the Creator creates

there was nobody

but the Creator


the wise thing to do is figure out why the Creator slays instead of whining about it

[Bongo]

who ever wrote the bible must be having a laugh at all the people believing in it blindly

I mean there is 14 admitted plagiarisms in the bible (who knows how many there actually is) but yet people still see it as a place of truth... lol

[conk]

"But your honor, the Devil, er, ah, God made me do it".

[conk]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by WyoSeeker (here)
The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7. The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265.

before the Creator creates

there was nobody

but the Creator


the wise thing to do is figure out why the Creator slays instead of whining about it

Yeah, yeah, we're all sinners and made of dirt. We get it. Excuse me while I go off myself. I'm sure God wants me dead. Jeez, I'm so unworthy.

[RedeZra]

Posted by conk (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the wise thing to do is figure out why the Creator slays instead of whining about it

Yeah, yeah, we're all sinners and made of dirt. We get it. Excuse me while I go off myself. I'm sure God wants me dead. Jeez, I'm so unworthy.

we all die

it is natural and normal


God did not spare Israel when she insisted on breaking His Commands

[Jake]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by WyoSeeker (here)
The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7. The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265.

before the Creator creates

there was nobody

but the Creator


the wise thing to do is figure out why the Creator slays instead of whining about it

Oh,,,, Red,,, I do love your energy.... But... Whoever was passing themselves off as the God of the seed of Abraham, is NOT the creator. Only an imposter. imho, of course.

WyoSeeker listed off some examples of this imposter,, I would not let someone like this in my house, much less pretend that someone like this is the one true God and Creator.

the wise thing to do is figure out why the Creator slays instead of whining about it

The creator exists at the center of a vast field of consciousness, and we are a part of it. It is an amazing story that is still unfolding. Any true God of Love and Peace and creativity will not 'slay' anything. Only a Tyrant deals in these sort of absolutes.

PS,,, Standing up and speaking out against a Tyrant is not Whining... Love you, you know that,,, Jake.

[Borden]

Here are some quotes from the late, great Douglas Adams

The reason why so many sects hang around airports looking for converts: they know that people there are at their most vulnerable and perplexed, and ready to accept any kind of guidance.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul (book two of the Dirk Gently series)

In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move.
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
-- Douglas Adams, from Last Chance To See

Borden

[RedeZra]

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the wise thing to do is figure out why the Creator slays instead of whining about it

The creator exists at the center of a vast field of consciousness, and we are a part of it. It is an amazing story that is still unfolding. Any true God of Love and Peace and creativity will not 'slay' anything. Only a Tyrant deals in these sort of absolutes.

PS,,, Standing up and speaking out against a Tyrant is not Whining... Love you, you know that,,, Jake.

hi Jake


the Creator put in place some spiritual rules which we are supposed to abide if we want to live long in peace and prosperity

and at death enter the Kingdom of God


if we break the rules then we can repent and receive mercy


insistence on breaking the spiritual rules will in the end incur wrath and death


God has Righteous Rage in His repertoire

[Borden]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the wise thing to do is figure out why the Creator slays instead of whining about it

The creator exists at the center of a vast field of consciousness, and we are a part of it. It is an amazing story that is still unfolding. Any true God of Love and Peace and creativity will not 'slay' anything. Only a Tyrant deals in these sort of absolutes.

PS,,, Standing up and speaking out against a Tyrant is not Whining... Love you, you know that,,, Jake.

hi Jake


the Creator put in place some spiritual rules which we are supposed to abide if we want to live long in peace and prosperity

and at death enter the Kingdom of God


if we break the rules then we can repent and receive mercy


insistence on breaking the spiritual rules will in the end incur wrath and death


God has Righteous Rage in His repertoire

Well in that case it sounds like God also has psychopathy and Narcissism in His repertoire. Who is this God person anyway?

Borden

[Jake]

hi Jake


the Creator put in place some spiritual rules which we are supposed to abide if we want to live long in peace and prosperity

and at death enter the Kingdom of God


if we break the rules then we can repent and receive mercy


insistence on breaking the spiritual rules will in the end incur wrath and death


God has Righteous Rage in His repertoire

I delight that this is NOT true. As long as there has been a Belief in a single god, there has been killing in his name. You cannot deny this. You know that a God is false, when it demands to be glorified. Do you really believe that the true God of Gods needs to be glorified???

The true nature of God has much more to do with love and compassion. Not hate, war, death, slavery, anger, jealousy, and a vicious need that you glorify him, or be tortured forever. There is no room in the bible for me! I have seen the truth for myself, and it is contrary to hate, war, death, slavery, anger, jealousy, and a vicious need that you glorify anyone.

[Borden]

Look, RedeZra,

I would never judge you, and while I can't speak for Jake I'm pretty damned sure he wouldn't either.

But what is it with with this idea of a God who puts us in this sand-pit and then tells us what we can and cannot do? That sounds like a petty tyrant to me. If this is the reality of our condition and I am wrong then I will fight with my last breath (physical or astral) to take the fight to this tyrant and deal with Him. I am not kidding.

My philosophy and belief is forgiveness to all, and no-one is out until the last man or woman is out. Even Hitler. We're all in this together. Any 'God' who disagrees can stay out of my way.

Borden.

[greybeard]

You cant have unconditional love and judgment.
All without exception enlightened sages say that God is unconditional love without any attributes.
In fact God does not do anything--- the energy of love just radiates.
Gravity does not do anything as an example.
The true enlightened sage (Godman) can say I am the totality all of it.
When you have it all and are it all, where is the need for praise, adulation, obedience, punishment?

We in our human state need humility, thats true.
It is for our spiritual progress that we pray, worship, endeavor to love our fellow man, love God.
Its for our wellbeing that we surrender to the will of God
God Through Jesus said "Love your enemy as your self."
No judgmental God could possibly express the love that came through Jesus.
Yes there is karma, its self regulating, what you sow you reap.
God is beyond judging.
We try to put human aspects on God--- big mistake in my opinion.
Only the ego separates ---- God is unity.
Unity- One without a second- God does not separate through judgment
God is unconditional love.

Chris

[Borden]

Posted by greybeard (here)
You cant have unconditional love and judgment.
All without exception enlightened sages say that God is unconditional love without any attributes.
In fact God does not do anything--- the energy of love just radiates.
Gravity does not do anything as an example.
The true enlightened sage (Godman) can say I am the totality all of it.
When you have it all and are it all, where is the need for praise, adulation, obedience, punishment?

We in our human state need humility, thats true.
It is for our spiritual progress that we pray, worship, endeavor to love our fellow man, love God.
Its for our wellbeing that we surrender to the will of God
God Through Jesus said "Love your enemy as your self."
No judgmental God could possibly express the love that came through Jesus.
Yes there is karma, its self regulating, what you sow you reap.
God is beyond judging.
We try to put human aspects on God--- big mistake in my opinion.
Only the ego separates ---- God is unity.
Unity- One without a second- God does not separate through judgment
God is unconditional love.

Chris

I want this man as king!

Trouble is ... he wouldn't want the job.

Borden

[RedeZra]

Posted by Borden (here)

But what is it with with this idea of a God who puts us in this sand-pit and then tells us what we can and cannot do? That sounds like a petty tyrant to me. If this is the reality of our condition and I am wrong then I will fight with my last breath (physical or astral) to take the fight to this tyrant and deal with Him. I am not kidding.

hi Borden


the Creator or the Projector of the Creation or the Projection

makes the rules ; )


it is not tuff rules at all but common sense rules


i don't see God as a tyrant but as a strict Father

who will prune us with the rod if need be

[RedeZra]

Posted by Jake (here)
You know that a God is false, when it demands to be glorified. Do you really believe that the true God of Gods needs to be glorified???

God do not need our worship

the worship is for our own good


if we don't glorify God

then who will we worship ?


ourselves money power fallen spirits



God I'm Good ; )

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
You cant have unconditional love and judgment.
All without exception enlightened sages say that God is unconditional love without any attributes.

there is Unpersonal Brahman then there is Personal God the Creator or Projector ; )

[eileenrose]

I think these sections of verse (taken from today's version of the book the Bible, as call it is referred to) are meant to scare adversaries.
I mean if you are a little tribe of guys trying to feel big (bigger than your enemies), 2000 plus years ago, you needed propaganda. Otherwise, no one would show up to support you.

sort of obvious (if you put aside religious ideas about what is what).