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    Put a slice of apple in your American Spirit for moisture and a real vanilla pod, very good...

    It's probably the nasty additives they put in cigarettes which are much worse than the tobacco plant...
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    THere is no doubt in my mind that smoking does kill some people, it is a stinky, expensive, annoying and disgusting habit. I don't understand some people though, there is a group of people (they have a popular forum, I won't name them here) who actually are saying that smoking is good for you and young kids that joined their forum actually believe them. Shame on people who are misinforming young kids who are still looking up to adults for an advice.

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    Quote Posted by Cilka (here)
    THere is no doubt in my mind that smoking does kill some people, it is a stinky, expensive, annoying and disgusting habit. I don't understand some people though, there is a group of people (they have a popular forum, I won't name them here) who actually are saying that smoking is good for you and young kids that joined their forum actually believe them. Shame on people who are misinforming young kids who are still looking up to adults for an advice.
    There is no doubt in my mind too that smoking does kill some people. I can't argue with that.

    There is also no doubt in my mind that the statistics of smoking related deaths are presented disingenuously, whether through ignorance or agenda I cannot say. Our environment is riddled with carcinogens and toxins, and they're to be found everywhere. These toxins work in a synergistic way, and people a hundred years ago simply did not die of smoking related illnesses to the level that they now do.

    I don't know anything about this popular forum you mention, and I certainly wouldn't side with them in advocating smoking, especially not to young people. I don't disagree with you there either.

    But shame on people who advocate big Pharma, irradiated and genetically altered food, etc etc etc ... and yet demonise smoking.

    People have many disgusting habits, which stink, annoy me and are expensive ... and even when I've been a non-smoker I would rather be around a smoker than someone who waves their hamburger or mobile phone around in front of me while telling me I shouldn't smoke. I'm not saying you would do that because I don't know you. But I trust you see my point.

    The OP showed us a list of chemicals found in tobacco, and yet there's no good reason for them to be there. Those toxic substances are also to be found in a million and one everyday items that would probably horrify a non-smoker to learn. Cadmium, for instance, is to be found in paper of most types.

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    Yes, smoking does kill some people.
    So does eating, swimming, running, working, skiing, boating, going to war, using antibiotics, having sex, eating ice cream.
    more children die each year from using antibiotics than from second hand smoke, I would bet you a million bucks, if I had it.

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    Does it make a difference that I smoke Organic and Additive-free roll-your-own tobacco, American Spirit Natural blends? I've been rolling my own for a decade now, and I'd say it is a much much better alternative to standard cigarettes.. I know that when I smoke a standard cigarette, say a marlboro for instance, it makes me gag and cough. I find them to be extremely harsh. and that's coming from someone who smokes filter-less rollies. Same thing with camel and just about any other brand. They are harsh to me.. So obviously there is a major difference between natural and standard, at least in the way my body reacts. Now, although I'd say that organic and additive free is much healthier, there is still a lot of tar. Tar will gunk the lungs over time I'm well aware. However I also regularly practice pranayama yogic breathing techniques and still have maintained a set of very strong lungs in spite of smoking.. I'm just saying, these tobacco studies are most likely in reference to standard mainstream additive ridden brands. I would like to see a study of the effects of organic and additive free to compare with.. It's been my assumption for quite some time that the growth of cancers from smoking are directly linked to the additives and not the tobacco itself. Though I've no research to confirm that..

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    I think it makes a huge difference! inzer0, commercial cigerettes contain cyanide, which is used in rat poison. And that's just one of the ingredients added to the tobacco...

    If you smoke just tobacco, you will find you smoke much less, although I don't know why that is..

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    I can't resist posting this. I respect the OP's information, and I think the discussion in this thread is interesting.

    This clip gives a perspective from a different time, and just brings a big smile to my face.



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    HaHa brilliant, thanks for posting that clip Borden
    Are planes more dangerous now that they dont have a smoking section?

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    Those damn Nazi propagandists;-

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    After German doctors became the first to identify the link between smoking and lung cancer,[1] Nazi Germany initiated a strong anti-tobacco movement[2] and led the first public anti-smoking campaign in modern history.[3] Anti-tobacco movements grew in many nations from the beginning of the 20th century,[4][5] but these had little success, except in Germany, where the campaign was supported by the government after the Nazis came to power.[4] It was the most powerful anti-smoking movement in the world during the 1930s and early 1940s.[6] The National Socialist leadership condemned smoking[7] and several of them openly criticized tobacco consumption.[6] Research on smoking and its effects on health thrived under Nazi rule[8] and was the most important of its type at that time.[9] Adolf Hitler's personal distaste for tobacco[10] and the Nazi reproductive policies were among the motivating factors behind their campaign against smoking, and this campaign was associated with both antisemitism and racism.[11]
    The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains,[6] promoting health education,[12] limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising the tobacco tax.[6] The National Socialists also imposed restrictions on tobacco advertising and smoking in public spaces, and regulated restaurants and coffeehouses.[6] The anti-tobacco movement did not have much effect in the early years of the Nazi regime and tobacco use increased between 1933 and 1939,[13] but smoking by military personnel declined from 1939 to 1945.[14] Even by the end of the 20th century, the anti-smoking movement in postwar Germany had not attained the influence of the Nazi anti-smoking campaign.
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    I knew there was something about Hitler I didn't like !
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    Just goes to show you can't trust them dam Nazis for anything. Just like here they were after tax revenues.

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    That's very funny Borden. Loved his wry smile, great character!

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    Dear Friends,
    I am not preaching to anyone, anything. It's just something I wanted to post for a long time. You are free to do whatever you want, as long as you know what you are doing. Some people know, while others don't. This article is for those who don't know and hopefully to motive those who are thinking to give this addiction up.

    Many start smoking at early ages, thinking it is cool. Later, they want to stop smoking and because they are not able to, they start themselves preaching how great smoking is. The first step of giving up any addiction, is to ADMIT you are addicted. Also, be aware that your brain is fighting off all ideas of quitting an addiction.

    This being said, please take a look of where this anti-smoking discussion led to: smokers are praising smoking. Is it really you speaking, or your addiction?

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    @Borden, tobacco is not what it used to be anymore. There are too many chemicals in cigarettes and constantly adding new ones. If you like smoking and you afford it (not a big downside to your family's income), at least buy it directly from farmers.

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    @Borden, tobacco is not what it used to be anymore. There are too many chemicals in cigarettes and constantly adding new ones. If you like smoking and you afford it (not a big downside to your family's income), at least buy it directly from farmers.
    I quite agree, and I hope you aren't annoyed by the route this thread has taken. I certainly wasn't ignoring your information and I appreciate it.

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    every time i hear word: medical fact i almoust choke from laughing
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    I quite agree, and I hope you aren't annoyed by the route this thread has taken. I certainly wasn't ignoring your information and I appreciate it.

    Borden
    Not annoyed at all, brother. Each person has personal challenges and those around can only try to help without interfering. That's my intention regarding this article.

    I've also read some thought-provoking articles regarding the benefits of smoking. As I said, I am not a professional in this field and haven't tested anything myself. Maybe there are benefits to moderate smoking, I don't know. But, both my intuition and logic fail to see any benefits from smoking 2 packs/day. I think moderation is the key for a balanced life.

    And just as DarMar says, "medical fact" has become a ridiculous notion. They adjust these "facts" according to their interests, not to mention the new discoveries contradicting the old ones for several years, only until new discoveries prove the first theory was correct all along. It's a mad house!

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    In my opinion it's absolutely ridiculous that what tobacco cigarettes have become in this time(w/ 599 added chemicals) are even legal. Yes, I am a smoker. Yes, I wish I had never started. Yes, I want to quit but so far have been unable to.
    Now, some legalized nice organic marijuana on the other hand i believe could be beneficial to many, especially the US gov't $$$ deficit, by taxing it. It has medicinal benefits that tobacco never thought of having. hmm organic tobacco is a nice thought, would be much less dangerous... But then there's that nagging question of why would our government allow us to slowly kill ourselves this way? I say that they may as well be selling heroin at the convenience stores. and my thought on that ... drumroll.... POPULATION CONTROL.........
    I hope I can soon find the will power that will help ME stop smoking !
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    I smoked commercial cigarettes between 18 and 19, smoked some wacky backy around the age of 28 and 29 and since then have only inhaled air though some of that I suspect has been very polluted. I now loathe the smell of commercial cigarettes but don't mind the smell of roll-ups or pipe tobacco. My 82 year old mother in law eats a mainly raw vegetable diet and smokes roll-ups. She has been smoking since her late teens - apart from when she was pregnant when she tells me she had no desire to smoke at all. She is very happy and appears very healthy and often says if she hadn't smoked the stress would have killed her off anyway. As others here have said I think the chemicals added to cigarettes to stop them going out or becoming stale are a large part of the problem. Some of us have a genetic disposition towards certain illnesses and are more likely to succomb than others.

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    I've been a smoker for 30 years and I don't believe it...

    I love Smoking and I'll continue to do without Guilt, til the day I die...

    Don't tell me, I know...

    For some of you that day can't come soon enough for old Jackovesk..!
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