Middle East Back Stories and Intelligence

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Post deleted by 665, not relevant to discussion by OP.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Most of the links posted here will be from Veterans Today because of the high quality value of intelligence and editorial staff. It is not garbage off of a news wire or neocon drool.

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Just a day or two ago I read an article about the Chinese bringing down that drone in Iran last month. I hope to keep this thread about world information/intelligence unavailable from the usual propaganda and twisted truth sources. I hope for a high level discussion..

Thanks, Modwiz.

I do read Veteran's Today, value their reporting in all areas.

Based on your desired focus for this thread, I will not post the link that was I so tempted to

concerning :

Mehran Tavakoli Keshe, an Iranian scientist and engineer, claims that an Iranian flying saucer technology he developed was used to capture the Sentinel drone about which the mainstream media has been reporting

but that story, well-spread around, as well as Wilcock's ET-cause attribution, does further illustrate how how almost every significant military, weapons, or related news story these days get's corrupted or spun with these alternative flights of fancy/disinfo/shocking-truth-who-knows aspects to muddy the waters or deepen the rabbit hole.

I think having China hacking-help makes the most sense myself.

But here at Avalon the tension between the rationalists and the ETs-or-their-tech-are-behind-everything-happening-these-days point-of-views is undeniable. (Heck, even within myself and my views, this tension exists. )

(backs out of thread slowly after demonstrated inability to avoid a digression....)

[modwiz]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
Most of the links posted here will be from Veterans Today because of the high quality value of intelligence and editorial staff. It is not garbage off of a news wire or neocon drool.

<snip>

Just a day or two ago I read an article about the Chinese bringing down that drone in Iran last month. I hope to keep this thread about world information/intelligence unavailable from the usual propaganda and twisted truth sources. I hope for a high level discussion..

Thanks, Modwiz.

I do read Veteran's Today, value their reporting in all areas.

Based on your desired focus for this thread, I will not post the link that was I so tempted to

concerning :

Mehran Tavakoli Keshe, an Iranian scientist and engineer, claims that an Iranian flying saucer technology he developed was used to capture the Sentinel drone about which the mainstream media has been reporting

but that story, well-spread around, does further illustrate how how almost every significant military, weapons, or related news story these days get's corrupted or spun with these alternative flights of fancy/disinfo/shocking-truth-who-knows aspects to muddy the waters or deepen the rabbit hole.

I think having China hacking-help makes the most sense myself.

But here at Avalon the tension between the rationalists and the ETs-or-their-tech-are-behind-everything-happening-these-days point-of-views is undeniable. (Heck, even within myself and my views, this tension exists. )

(backs out of thread slowly after demonstrated inability to avoid a digression....)

Thank you your input and discipline. I am have read the story you speak of here. I am glad to be aware of it but find the Chinese story far more plausible. It was when two dots, weeks apart, came together for me that I thought a report with ample back story and history was available. Just as Ben Fulfords story finds a resonance with the parallel story of the trillions accrued by Lee Wanta for use here in the USA for the benefit of the people and the illegal theft and appropriation of it by the very same rogue's gallery you find in the Fulford/Wilcock story.

I live a very magical and mystical existence, but my idea of being grounded is head in the clouds and feet on the Earth. I call that "being larger than life" and it lends a very broad perspective on things. I look forward to having a good crew in this thread bringing good intelligence into the picture. Well considered opinions are very welcome, after all, that is part of what Gordon Duff does. He gives us his very well informed opinion, but it is still an opinion and open to discretion.

Back into the thread when it moves you to do so.

[modwiz]

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)
Not up to date but interesting nevertheless.

Something to discuss

Check out the resources page on the missile threat site


http://www.missilethreat.com/thethre...47/default.asp


http://thelastcolumnist.com/world/ir...ait-of-hormuz-..


http://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com...6/china-is-hel...


http://www.spacewar.com/

I went to all 3 links and looked at what was being offered in those reports. My opinion is they are paranoid garbage and/or ziodrool. I find such discussions unproductive and are a part of the fear porn of white people. China and Iran are countries that have had dynasties with longer histoies than the USA has been in existence for. China has never invaded a country it did not consider a part of itself. I feel the handling of Tibet is thuggish to be sure. A simple armed perimeter of the area, leaving the people to autonomous rule would have been highly sufficient. The zionist origins of all communism however, always sees to the destruction or corruption of cultures and especially the most gifted and natural leaders.

The Mongol invasions were Mongol and not Chinese as some misinformed people believe.

Iran is not a threat and will never be, to the West or Israel, except as a strong regional influence that will resist the zionist influences of USA and Europe which have become soulless golems of the zionist entity.

To end my opinion piece, Israel has to define what its' borders are to be a legitimate country. All countries have borders, the zionist entity does not and that is why I used the name the Persians currently use. I do not recognize a country without borders, because such a thing does not exist.

I will end this with stating that if I do not thank a post it is because I do not think it adds to a reasonable discussion. Paranoid, light bending reports of hysteria are not helpful.

[Hughe]

Everything has been carefully planned and engineered IMHO. Without real peace on planet Earth, humanity won't move forward.

I went to all 3 links and looked at what was being offered in those reports. My opinion is they are paranoid garbage and/or ziodrool. I find such discussions unproductive and are a part of the fear porn of white people. China and Iran are countries that have had dynasties with longer histoies than the USA has been in existence for. China has never invaded a country it did not consider a part of itself. I feel the handling of Tibet is thuggish to be sure. A simple armed perimeter of the area, leaving the people to autonomous rule would have been highly sufficient. The zionist origins of all communism however, always sees to the destruction or corruption of cultures and especially the most gifted and natural leaders.

The history of China is bloody wars and conflicts. In mainland China which is the size of U.S houses 150 to 200 human races who have unique culture. The Han people established ideology a thousand years ago that China is center of the world. Technically the Han people ruled unified China for few hundred years. Because history is written by the winner, China fabricated, destroyed real history.

Since World War II, the brutality of China became exponential. The Chinese communist party has been slaughtered 100 million plus Chinese. Chinese and former Russian governments converted Asian nations for war zone. China slaughtered 10% of population. North Korea followed China. During Korean war in 1950s, South Korean government slaughtered one million citizens tagging them as communists. How about Vietnam, Cambodia? The number is huge.
War mongers, the military industrial complex just loved the cold war era. Were the collapsing of Soviet Union was planned?

What does it say? It's funny people think China is better nation than U.S. Looking at the number of mass kills.

I'm an Asian. Sometimes I'm so F**ing angry why Asians are so docile, easily manipulated by few individuals. Anyone who actually lived in Asia knows in Asian culture beyond nations, individuality is almost null. Each nation has one collective hive. This is great for manipulation.

The fact is U.S has been supporting China become powerful nation. U.S knowingly shipped out all factories to China, educated Chinese youth by Americans tax money since 1970s. Chinese aren't stupid working machines especially the power addicted elites. China has all cutting edge technologies and brains who educated, trained in U.S and other developed countries. These highly capable work forces will do whatever Chinese government order without questions.

What's difference between civilian and military technologies. To me it's exactly same. I'm not a electronic wizard. But, I can build a powerful laser gun easily. Anyone buy a industrial grade laser diode. Adding few components to increase density of laser beam turns into a weapon. EMP gun is easy to build too.

What kind of weapon system China has it? Simple logic will leads to the edge. China has all the manufacturers of machines from a tooth pick to cutting edge chips, components. In addition there is Russia too. Russia is another power hungry nation.

Bottom line is Chinese government dose not care about 1.3 billions. U.S government does same. Different faces but same war machines. If North Korea shut down a U.S drone, it will prove which is master mind of whole affairs definitely.

I don't believe in 1.3 billions Chinese people wake up one day and demolish Chinese military forces for better world. China is one or two levels ahead of U.S in totalitarian movement. It will come down to Americans. If they let U.S government keep doing wars, unless external forces intervenes or unexpected event occurs, major conflict is inevitable for war mongers.

I want to see real peace than illusive love and light. All my senses point to one question.
"What if somebody walks in and kill me or other human being whatever reason they have?"

Real security of citizens, I tell this "Give guns to all citizens so that they can defend themselves." not the police forces or military which turns against citizens. They are the modern day vampires that eat humans.

[modwiz]

Posted by Hughe (here)
Everything has been carefully planned and engineered IMHO. Without real peace on planet Earth, humanity won't move forward.

I went to all 3 links and looked at what was being offered in those reports. My opinion is they are paranoid garbage and/or ziodrool. I find such discussions unproductive and are a part of the fear porn of white people. China and Iran are countries that have had dynasties with longer histoies than the USA has been in existence for. China has never invaded a country it did not consider a part of itself. I feel the handling of Tibet is thuggish to be sure. A simple armed perimeter of the area, leaving the people to autonomous rule would have been highly sufficient. The zionist origins of all communism however, always sees to the destruction or corruption of cultures and especially the most gifted and natural leaders.

The history of China is bloody wars and conflicts. In mainland China which is the size of U.S houses 150 to 200 human races who have unique culture. The Han people established ideology a thousand years ago that China is center of the world. Technically the Han people ruled unified China for few hundred years. Because history is written by the winner, China fabricated, destroyed real history.

Since World War II, the brutality of China became exponential. The Chinese communist party has been slaughtered 100 million plus Chinese. What does it say? It's funny people think China is better nation than U.S. Looking at the number of mass kills.

I'm an Asian. Sometimes I'm so F**ing angry why Asians are so docile, easily manipulated by few individuals. Anyone who actually lived in Asia knows in Asian culture beyond nations, individuality is almost null. Each nation has one collective hive. This is great for manipulation.

The fact is U.S has been supporting China become powerful nation. U.S knowingly shipped out all factories to China, educated Chinese youth by Americans tax money since 1970s. Chinese aren't stupid working machines especially the power addicted elites. China has all cutting edge technologies and brains who educated, trained in U.S and other developed countries. These highly capable work forces will do whatever Chinese government order without questions.

What's difference between civilian and military technologies. To me it's exactly same. I'm not a electronic wizard. But, I can build a powerful laser gun easily. Anyone buy a industrial grade laser diode. Adding few components to increase density of laser beam turns into a weapon. EMP gun is easy to build too.

What kind of weapon system China has it? Simple logic will leads to the edge. China has all the manufacturers of machines from a tooth pick to cutting edge chips, components. In addition there is Russia too. Russia is another power hungry nation.

Bottom line is Chinese government dose not care about 1.3 billions. U.S government does same. Different faces but same war machines. If North Korea shut down a U.S drone, it will prove which is master mind of whole affairs definitely.

I don't believe in 1.3 billions Chinese people wake up one day and demolish Chinese military forces for better world. China is one or two levels ahead of U.S in totalitarian movement. It will come down to Americans. If they let U.S government keep doing wars, unless external forces intervenes or unexpected event occurs, major conflict is inevitable for war mongers.

I want to see real peace than illusive love and light. All my senses point to one question.
"What if somebody walks in and kill me or other human being whatever reason they have?"

Real security of citizens, I tell this "Give guns to all citizens so that they can defend themselves." not the police forces or military which turns against citizens. They are the modern day vampires that eat humans.

Thank you your post and unique perspective, it is valued.

Communism is a cancer that started with the Bolshevik Revolution and was completely zionist at its' heart. That revolution was the beginning of a Eurasian holocaust that really did not exhaust itself until the Killing Fields of Cambodia. As you stated the millions of Chinese slaughtered is staggering in their numbers and as Communism always does it kills the best and the brightest because they pose the real threat to the architects of this attempt to dominate the planet. Simply put, they ( the (intellectuals) see the method and the plan and can expose it. There are "re-education'' camps in some attempt to have some intellectual capacity.

America, because of its zionist control is becoming more totalitarian by the day. The real hope for America is the sense of individualism that lies latent in the spirit here. I live in the USA. The fact that we are a well armed populace is another plus and I'm sure this is a problem the controllers are trying to overcome, but will probably fail to do. That is a very good thing, as Gandalf would say. I agree with you Hughe, that giving the Chinese population guns would be a good thing. The internet has been a very positive invention for the people of this world and will be prove to be what allowed a new consciousness to arise and finally throw off the controllers. That is happening as we speak. Like all birth processes, there is always some danger. I believe this baby will make it.

[modwiz]

Another hot one from Gordon Duff:

"Every institution, schools, courts, police, even healthcare and especially government, vampiric in nature.
When did it become dishonorable to work with your hands, to labor, to create? Is it a crime, somehow, to live in a world free of dividend checks and mysterious foreign bank accounts. For a while, war, war sold as religious crusade, was honorable until the maimed and the beflagged coffins began returning home.
Then it came down to rebranding, heroes and “crusaders” became “sponges” and “undesirables,” filling our jails, our divorce courts and now shot down like animals at slaughter
I think we have a basic question to ask ourselves: “Can we any longer afford our wealthy, our elite, our government, our public bureaucracy?”.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02...nibal-culture/

[Flash]

I cannot resist Modwiz. Don't feel bad for not thanking me, I understand already.

First, truly like your thread, very informative and quite just in my mind. Hughes comments were quite just as well in my idea.

But I cannot resist: Chinese military have found a way to teleport a whole army and make sure they have invisibility shield to the Quebec/US border, did you know? Isn't is great technology, all invented by Chinese. LOL

For the Avalon members, my last comment was a purely fictitious story, related to another thread that was also from a pure fictitious story. This last comment is a sarcasm and a joke, not the truth, in case anyone doubts.

[mab777]

great ideia ... thank you a lot !!

[jackovesk]

After 3,287 posts its about time you started a Thread Modwiz...

What better way to 'Kick Off' your Thread Career with some VT...

I hope this is the 1st of many, to bring back some 'Discernment' to Avalon.

Rgs,

Jack

[Maia Gabrial]

The Pentagon will be forced to buy electronic parts from Korea and Japan. Wow....
Why not have them made in the USA instead....?

[jorr lundstrom]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJIwiSrq3M

[modwiz]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
The Pentagon will be forced to buy electronic parts from Korea and Japan. Wow....
Why not have them made in the USA instead....?

In a word, profits. Our country is run by Ferengi so lacking in loyalty, they were banished from Ferenginar. Now that is a lowly life form.

Ferenginar

[modwiz]

Tarpley - False Flag Alert -
Blaming Assad For NATO Murders
The Kids Are Already Dead, Slain
By NATO Death Squads
By Webster Tarpley
2-24-12


A reliable Russian source in Syria warns that al Jazeera is about to launch within hours a major false flag provocation. Al Jazeera will allege that 17 children have been killed by Assad's forces. These children are already dead, and have been killed by NATO death squads. The goal is to create an atmosphere of hysteria at the Tunis "Friends of Syria" conference today Friday, which otherwise threatens to be a fiasco due to the boycott by Russia, China, and Lebanon, and due to the fragmented nature of the Syria opposition. Please spread this story as fast as you can as a highest priority False Flag Alert. --Webster Tarpley

Same thing here, this post is the entire link. Doing what I can to get the story out.
http://www.rense.com/general95/tarpp.html

[Rahkyt]

You're really giving Ferengi a bad name here. You might be forced to pay for this slander.



That last post of yours really is the dregs. We must be vigilant. Al Jazeera engaging in overt CIA disinfo to cover for their wetwork? The game is so deep that most don't even know they've been played.

[Calz]

Fresh out of gold plated latinum myself.

Nice thread there modwiz.

I echo Jacko's call for more.