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    Default Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    I went to lunch with my "Ninja" friend (he's a martial arts instructor & into holistic healing) and our discussion drifted from topic to topic as it tends to when I brought up ORMUS ( http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/ormus/ormus.htm ) and its potential benifits.

    He then gave me a brief synopsis of this man Dr Joel Wallach & I was facinated.

    Dr Wallach started working with animals where high birth rates of cattle are desired for money reasons (unlike our medical industry where high death / disease rates are desirable for profits).

    Dr Wallach has found (through the most exhaustive work I've ever heard of) that all disease is linked to malnutrition & longevity is the same.

    Here is an example of his work:

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    Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes?

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    Have you ever heard about professional athletes dropping dead on the field? According to the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, 100,000 youngsters, as well as pros die each year from cardio-vascular disorders as a result of sports -THIS IS TWICE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT DIE ON THE NATIONS HIGHWAYS! 45,000 of the 100,000 play basketball, not boxing or football. In hard exercise, people sweat out many of their vital minerals - not just sodium and potassium. Rigorous exertion without replacing lost minerals can be fatal. There are sports drinks that are supposed to replace nutrients lost during exertion, these would work fine if they had more than sugar, salt and potassium, and food coloring.

    Dr. Wallach has a unique hobby, collecting MD obituaries. Here is one case:
    A recent favorite of mine is Dr. W.T.N., 48, captain of the 'Dream Team' of cardiologists who cared for the late Reggie Lewis, 27, captain of the Boston Celtics. (Reggie Lewis died of a cardio-myopathy heart attack." A simple computer search at the library would have turned up the large-scale study showing the only known reason for cardiomyopathy to be a simple selenium deficiency.) THE TROUBLE WITH MODERN MEDICINE IS THAT THE PROFESSION IS SLOW TO APPLY THEIR OWN RESEARCH. Guess who pays the price of ignorance?

    Dr. W.T.N. taught at Harvard, was cardiac expert for NBA, and finished the Boston Marathon three times. You guessed it- he died one and a half years after Reggie from the same type of heart attack. Dr. W.T.N. forgot that the human body needs something more than drugs, pacemakers and surgery. They both died from mineral deficiencies.

    Why are athletes dropping dead at early ages? Why are they not faring as well compared to couch potato's? That's because athlete's sweat more in 5 years than couch potato's do in 75 years. And when you sweat your not just sweating out water or Gatorade, your sweating out a soup that contains all 60 essential minerals and they are called essential minerals because if any of them are missing for any length of time, you get some horrible degenerative disease, many of which are life threatening. So this is a no brainer folks...

    Who is more likely to die of a life threatening mineral deficiency disease, an athlete sweating out quarts and quarts of this mineral rich soup everyday or a couch potato in an air conditioned den, laying on the couch belching and flipping through the channels?

    Now the bottom line message here is this, you don't need to be an athlete to sweat, you can be in the military doing your training. You could be a roofer, a carpenter, an electrician, a plumber, a carpet layer, you can be a farmer, you could be a dance instructor, you could work in a bakery, you could work in an air conditioned insurance agency where its so cold like it is in here you could hang meat in there you know, never sweat at your work place, an then you know your being inactive so you join a health club, where you go sweat 3 nights a week. Unless your replacing the minerals your sweating out, your not going to make it to 100. Your going to be sick and miserable the last 12 to 15 years of your life. Exercise without supplementation is suicide. Exercise without supplementation is a negative, not a positive. Just like running your car without oil.

    The next medical dogma or lie were going to look at has to do with this salt thing. Believe it or not how many of you have ever heard that using the salt shaker is going to increase your risk of high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, you got to be dead in America not to have heard that one. What's the first thing a farmer puts out to live stock? Salt block isn't it. There's nobody out in the pasture telling a cow she is limited to one lick a day is there. And I refuse to believe that my human patients are dumber than a cow. So I say go ahead and pick up a salt shaker and lightning won't strike you, salt your food with impunity, you can salt your body, nothing bad is going to happen. Go ahead and do it. 98% of my patients love it, they bring me hundreds of new patients every month who want to use salt and not feel guilty about it. And the 2%, the bean counters, they say Wallach we love and respect you, but we have this high priced cardiologist who says your flying in the face of all the weighted medical evidence. You can't tell people they can use salt, they are going to get hypertension and heart disease and stroke.

    Well I have been redeemed on my view on salt. This came out in 1997. This was presented at the annual meeting of the American Heart Association, not the National Inquirer, this was in Portland Oregon. Doctors lack proof that to much salt is unhealthful. After years of telling people, healthy people that too much salt isn't good for them, researchers still don't have solid evidence to back up that claim. Now what do doctors call people who give unsubstantiated health or medical advice for a profit? Call them quacks don't they, absolutely. So if you have a doctor and I don't care if they are an Orthodox doctor or an alternative doctor, if they say to cut back on salt, you say doc, you're a quack. Your giving me unsubstantiated health and medical advice for a profit. There's not a single study, not a single study, which shows that restricting salt will reduce your risk of high blood pressure.

    "Dr. Wallach"
    http://www.wallachonline.com/athletes.aspx


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    "Dead Doctors Don't Lie".

    Quote The Title "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" was created by Dr. Joel Wallach after years of research on the subject of health and longevity. Dr. Wallach discovered that the life span of the average doctor in America is several years shorter than that of the average couch potato. Dr. Wallach began collecting obituaries of doctors only to find that many were dying of simple nutritional deficiencies. If doctors really knew the truth about health and longevity they should be living longer than anyone else, not dying sooner. This premature death pattern proves that doctors are missing some key elements when it comes to understanding what it takes to live a longer healthier life, hence was born the title... "Dead Doctors Don't Lie".
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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    I have no comment except to ask your friend to keep up his good work.....
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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    I was at a lecture given by Wallach in the 90's in London. Very interesting, experiential knowledge. His understanding of mineral deficiency is astounding. Really worth listening to.

    He is also known as 'the Mineral Doctor'.

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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    Lots of lectures & multi-media here:

    http://www.wallachonline.com/multimedia_content.aspx

    I am going through this all for the first time myself
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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    I also have a theory that each living thing is allocated a certain amount of heart beats and when your heart reaches that amount of beats, your time is up.
    Now think about an elephant, plodding along at a slow steady old pace and lives over a hundred years all being well, now a little bird who's wing's are going ten to the dozen and using masses of energy with his little heart in overdrive lives about two years. Humans who run and so strenuous exercise for no reason increase their heart rate and croak early, couch potatoes sit their with their heart ticking along nice and steady and out live them all. Just saying!
    I'm not a complete idiot, I have bits missing

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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    It's about consumption ...

    There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

    Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    It's about consumption ...

    There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

    Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)
    This is true when you consider that calories consumed are constistantly lacking the 60 minerals (+ other things, ameno acids, 16 vitamens.. etc) that HAVE to be consumed for healthy living... hwen you are continuing to consume calories & not reciving the required nutrition your body begins to break itself down.. THAT is why couch potatoes "live longer", not be cause of restricted calories... infact I think most couch potatoes consume high caloric diets.

    what you say is proven false by Dr Wallach (via over 900 autopsies on humans and more on animals) he's won law suits to prove this & has written a veterinary book that is now in the Smithsonian museum

    Example:
    there are communities around the world that have mineral rich farming lands, these communty members consistantly live much longer than the average person (and ESPECIALLY longer than americans).

    This is not postulation or guess work, it is proven & makes logical sense...

    the "limited heart beats" or "consumption" idea's have only a vauge relationship to logic &/or reality

    This is what I've gathered from a little research.. still looking into it but I'm very impressed so far.
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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Lots of lectures & multi-media here:

    http://www.wallachonline.com/multimedia_content.aspx
    I'm listening to this set of three videos "Dr. Wallach - Let's Talk Minerals", parts 1, 2 and 3, from that site - as my "introduction" to Dr. Wallach:


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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    I have heard it said also that one's life is measured in breaths. Yogis lengthened their lives by slowing down their breathing in meditation....which is directly linked to the heart rate, like Daft Ada said.

    Yesterday I read in the Srimad Bhagavatam that the decreased longevity of this age is due mainly to irregular habits regarding eating, sleeping, activity etc.

    I agree with DD about consumption...'To lengthen thy life, lessen thy meals.'

    The Wallach material is interesting because it focuses on acute and chronic diseases attributed directly to mineral deficiencies.
    He has many amazing experiences curing near fatal conditions.

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    It's about consumption ...

    There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

    Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)

    what you say is proven false by Dr Wallach (via over 900 autopsies on humans and more on animals) he's won law suits to prove this & has written a veterinary book that is now in the Smithsonian museum

    Example:
    there are communities around the world that have mineral rich farming lands, these communty members consistantly live much longer than the average person (and ESPECIALLY longer than americans).

    This is not postulation or guess work, it is proven & makes logical sense...

    the "limited heart beats" or "consumption" idea's have only a vauge relationship to logic &/or reality

    This is what I've gathered from a little research.. still looking into it but I'm very impressed so far.
    You don't understand what happens to a being's gene expression when caloric restriction is introduced. One guy doing 900 autopsies, without knowing the animals diet for it's whole life cannot determine this. He studied everyone's caloric intake and lifespan for their entire life via autopsies? Doesn't even make sense.
    I work in an industry where I have access to the studies.

    EDIT:

    Here is some quick support for my words:http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...712888185.html
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    health through nutrition STARTED in agriculture / farming.. because its cost effective... the diets of the animals is very well known by the people raising the animals..

    perhaps both are true, I doubt either completely discounts the other, it seems to me that your theory supports nutritional deficency rather than not.
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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    Quote Posted by Daft Ada (here)
    I also have a theory that each living thing is allocated a certain amount of heart beats and when your heart reaches that amount of beats, your time is up.
    Now think about an elephant, plodding along at a slow steady old pace and lives over a hundred years all being well, now a little bird who's wing's are going ten to the dozen and using masses of energy with his little heart in overdrive lives about two years. Humans who run and so strenuous exercise for no reason increase their heart rate and croak early, couch potatoes sit their with their heart ticking along nice and steady and out live them all. Just saying!
    Hi DA Rudolf Steiner mentioned the heart beat thing around 100 yrs ago. If I remember the number of heart beats corresponded to years in a grand cycle approx. 25,200 or something like that. Until every lecture he gave is printed in English there is not any glossary of terms to look up. I have about 250 of his books but it would be hard to find.

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    health through nutrition STARTED in agriculture / farming.. because its cost effective... the diets of the animals is very well known by the people raising the animals..

    perhaps both are true, I doubt either completely discounts the other, it seems to me that your theory supports nutritional deficency rather than not.
    EDIT: removed confusing text and added clarifying text

    The human body is the most incredible nano manipulator. It is constantly breaking down molecules and building molecules - there are more than 5000 chemical pathways in the human body, your body always managing them to a perfect balance by breaking down molecules and building into what is required. It is extremely adaptive - even to the point of working around medicines sometimes by finding alternate pathways never before used. My point? As long as you aren't lacking any vitamins (assuming science stating which chemicals are vitamins has been correct till now), your body will adapt to what you eat. For me personally I first try my best to stay away from disease causing substances - MSG, arsenic, preservatives, artificial whatever, etc. etc. (which usually happen to have to be organic to meet my criteria)

    Deficiencies - which are when you run into something your body can't compensate for, likely define Wallach's "malnutrition". So I agree these are both factors and in fact go hand in hand.

    Now, there could be many factors here, and I agree that both are likely contributors (calories / deficiencies) eating less actually increases your chance of having a deficiency in something - so under many circumstances the effect of longevity would be not realized due to disease.

    What I often wonder is -- is the definition of "essential" vitamins and minerals complete and / or accurate? And why aren't things like Vit D recommended more from officials when it's clear most are at least inefficient in the vitamin? And, how much disease is actually caused or contributed by food additives / chemicals / stuff that gets in that shouldn't / stuff purposely added for some other sinister reason like fluoride / etc?
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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    It's about consumption ...

    There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

    Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)
    You are definiately flirting with the right answer. The key to caloric restriction is that it controls and limits the amount of insulin being produced. A less restrictive diet, but without sugar and grains, can yield the same results.

    The doctor is off base a little. Most disease is a result of stress. Malnutrition is a factor as well. Even the corrupt CDC admits that most disease is caused by stress. There is little escape from stress in the modern world. Few places to actually find silence and limited distractions. The body stays in the flight response, limiting the growth potential of all cells.

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    It's about consumption ...

    There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

    Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)
    You are definiately flirting with the right answer. The key to caloric restriction is that it controls and limits the amount of insulin being produced. A less restrictive diet, but without sugar and grains, can yield the same results.

    The doctor is off base a little. Most disease is a result of stress. Malnutrition is a factor as well. Even the corrupt CDC admits that most disease is caused by stress. There is little escape from stress in the modern world. Few places to actually find silence and limited distractions. The body stays in the flight response, limiting the growth potential of all cells.
    Actually the key to caloric restriction is the induced change in gene expression - this causes your body to process everything differently, extending the life of cells, etc. Changes in sugar metabolism (thus insulin) and enzyme expression also are a result of this change in gene expression induced by caloric restriction. I am faily well versed in this ;-)

    Most of what Dr Wallach says has merrit, but it is not exclusive. Deficiencies of essentials still happens causing disease, stress still happens and happens to induce poor diet often, all these things are related.
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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    This is exactly why one should not over react.....stress!
    This is exactly why 'they' want to keep us....stressed!

    I refer you to the thread, How Government agencies control the population.
    They use dullness and agitation.

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    The doctor is off base a little. Most disease is a result of stress. Malnutrition is a factor as well. Even the corrupt CDC admits that most disease is caused by stress. There is little escape from stress in the modern world. Few places to actually find silence and limited distractions. The body stays in the flight response, limiting the growth potential of all cells.
    Dr Wallach has cured "incurable diseases" via nutrition (to include "genetic diseases" by ensuring proper nutrition during pregnancy), this is indicative of stress not being the key factor, more like it is a contributing factor.

    the list of items you MUST HAVE for your body (according to Dr Wallach) is 60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 3 amino acids & some number of fatty acids (doing this from memory, so I'm sure I'm incorrect) the chances of EVERYONE being deficient in some area is very very plausible/probable. These items work synergistically together so being deficient is much worse than you'd think.

    Stress just takes more mineral use out of a body, same with caloric intake (though Insulin is terrible for you, your body can take it if you are consuming the correct nutritional content (according to this theory)). the backup documentation & research is astounding & far exceeds anything else I've read in this area.

    if you do not want to check into it yourself that's fine, your arguments against it however fall far short in light of the documentation & case studies I read last night.
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    Default Re: Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

    TargeT, sorry I didn't make myself clear enough. I did not say that dis-ease could not be remedied by nutrition and never would. The discussion was about cause. Stress places the body in defensive posture and all the nutrients in the world won't do you any good because the body is upset. Once balance is restored, then the nutrients can be properly used. And in my mind I was not arguing anything. I was stating the facts as cellular biologists know them. Read Dr. Bruce Lipton and Dr. Joe Dispenza to fully understand how stress shuts down the digestive system, well everything but the ability to think and run. That's how we respond to stress. Fight or run. All other systems of the body are useless when facing imminent danger, so the body funnels it's energy and attention to the brain and leg muscles. Long term stress greatly hinders digestion. So how are those nutrients supposed to be used? You MUST alleviate stress or the purest nutrients on Earth are useless.

    I'm not shooting into a dark cave here. I've been studying health and nutrition extensively, for longer than you've been alive. I'm glad you found this great source of information, but don't think you know it all just yet.

    And, if you want to crawl deep into the rabbit hole, I'll share with you how emotions, emotional trauma, and faulty assumptions in the sub-conscious mind may be an even greater cause of dis-ease, perhaps THE cause.
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    Inflammation is another cause of disease--almost every disease is preceded by inflammation.
    So if you can prevent that, you can go a long way toward preventing disease.
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    I'm not shooting into a dark cave here. I've been studying health and nutrition extensively, for longer than you've been alive. I'm glad you found this great source of information, but don't think you know it all just yet.

    And, if you want to crawl deep into the rabbit hole, I'll share with you how emotions, emotional trauma, and faulty assumptions in the sub-conscious mind may be an even greater cause of dis-ease, perhaps THE cause.
    I have no clue how one would experience these levels of stress, I supose I'm emotionally scared or perhaps can just manage my myself well... I don't even consider these as a factor as they are so easily controllable (for me) which I guess is a lack of perspective on my part.

    Ok, if your a stress monkey your going to have issues, but this does not happen to me so I don't consider it a factor at all (infact I see "stress" as an easily managable situation as its mostly self imposed,, just DONT SELF IMPOSE IT! haha unfair of me to assume everyone can do that)

    good point.

    I live mostly stress free & still get sick, so I doubt it is THE or THE ONLY cause, again it is a contributing factor (in my mind) I don't think this situation (health) is so simple that any one thing can be pointed out as "the cause".

    I guess I need to reframe my thoughts on this to say that a good nutritional base is the starting point for health, not the ending point; I don't see how its possible with out this starting point and I think that is what I was trying (ineffectually) to articulate.

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    Inflammation is another cause of disease--almost every disease is preceded by inflammation.
    So if you can prevent that, you can go a long way toward preventing disease.
    I've found GREAT results with Tumeric for inflammation (though I think it does other things as well)
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