Advaita and Neo Advaita.

[greybeard]

The you in common speech, at least here, can be used when one is speaking to more than one.
An audience for example. More than one listening==as in You guys.
Stephen does also simplify at times--I just find him precise and interesting.
As he said Nisargadatta would not be too popular if he was speaking in America today--as he challenged the position you were at---disassembled your belief--he said he would dissolve all concepts etc.
Different strokes for different folks.

I like Mooji as he is very simple with what seems to me an energy of love behind what is said.

Ramana spoke to people at the level they were at--he did not impose on them.
Therefore as with all spiritual teachers paradoxes are found.

Love Chris

[Rich]

ACIM says to believe in truth you don't have to do anything.
I think that is what Neo Advaita is trying to put across,
but how many are willing to do nothing? and that's why the message can be very misunderstood.

[Rich]

Neo Advaita can be used as an escape or as a pointer to truth, to pretend to do nothing or to honestly do nothing.

Posted by greybeard (here)
"Just try doing nothing and see what happens"

To do nothing for just a moment is enough, while meditation and spiritual practices are the attempt to do nothing, the only thing needed is the desire for it, above all else.
Truth is we are always as God created us and nothing we seem to do in the dream can change this at all.


From Lesson 93

Why would you not be overjoyed to be assured that all the evil that you think you did was never done, that all your sins are nothing, that you are as pure and holy as you were created, and that light and joy and peace abide in you? Your image of yourself cannot withstand the Will of God. You think that this is death, but it is life. You think you are destroyed, but you are saved.

The self you made is not the Son of God. Therefore, this self does not exist at all. And anything it seems to do and think means nothing. It is neither bad nor good. It is unreal, and nothing more than that. It does not battle with the Son of God. It does not hurt him, nor attack his peace. It has not changed creation, nor reduced eternal sinlessness to sin, and love to hate. What power can this self you made possess, when it would contradict the Will of God?

Your sinlessness is guaranteed by God. Over and over this must be repeated, until it is accepted. It is true. Your sinlessness is guaranteed by God. Nothing can touch it, or change what God created as eternal. The self you made, evil and full of sin, is meaningless. Your sinlessness is guaranteed by God, and light and joy and peace abide in you.

Salvation requires the acceptance of but one thought;--you are as God created you, not what you made of yourself. Whatever evil you may think you did, you are as God created you. Whatever mistakes you made, the truth about you is unchanged. Creation is eternal and unalterable. Your sinlessness is guaranteed by God. You are and will forever be exactly as you were created. Light and joy and peace abide in you because God put them there.

[greybeard]

I suppose there is relative truth and absolute Truth.
I gave up trying to understand the workings of Creator a long while ago.
Yet curiosity remains.
There is a central truth running through the teachings--pointing of mystics --Jesus and the Buddha.
There is only One--consciousness--energy --call it what you will--all is the "dream of God"--illusion, Maya, manifesting as form.
Chris

[Rich]

Posted by greybeard (here)
--all is the "dream of God"--illusion, Maya, manifesting as form.

That is where ACIM differs from other teachings - there is no manifestation. A dream is not real, and a body is a dream figure and not real either.

To quote:
How can a world of time and place exist, if you remain as God created you?

[greybeard]

Posted by EmEx (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
--all is the "dream of God"--illusion, Maya, manifesting as form.

That is where ACIM differs from other teachings - there is no manifestation. A dream is not real, and a body is a dream figure and not real either.

To quote:
How can a world of time and place exist, if you remain as God created you?

No wishing to disagree Em Ex
Just different levels of energy and understanding.
Jesus said "Wear the World like a loose shirt"
Stephen Wolinsky said its a mirage-- a mirage is real but not what it seems to be.
Ramana would have been in agreemeent with ACIM "Creation nor dissolution never happened"
Ancient text says its Indras dream.
So ACIM not alone in saying what it does.
Mystics tend to talk to the devotee at the level they can take on board.
Eckhart Tolle said " There never was anyone there to hurt you" in this context elsewhere he said "But this is not helpful".

Regards Chris

[Peter UK]

Posted by greybeard (here)

I like Mooji as he is very simple with what seems to me an energy of love behind what is said.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rrzg4g-9e7Q