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    Default Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    I'm noticing a growing number of people questioning the validity or sincerity of David Wilcock as I am. It's been evident in the recent emotional breakdown and financial article threads, and all the threads regarding his 'channeled' information, but a lot of people are also still offering empathy and support and seemingly feeling called to show a sense of loyalty to the insight and truth they felt they've resonated with in his work and lectures.

    However, I'm starting to overflow with questions and think it may be time for the community to really put our accumulated knowledge to the test and possibly let go of even more layers of deception that we didn't think we had - to consider what views of reality we may have decided to adopt because they feel good - even bold, defiant or courageous - rather than what may be true.

    I have been trying to apply this filter to all whistleblowers, investigators, channellers, good samaritans, authors, etc. in the growing alternative media, and think we have to filter it all with the expectation that deliberate manipulation and disinfo is probably RAMPANT and extremely clever and is possibly very long planned, patient and even star-trek level technologically advanced, including directly into undefended brains.

    One probably common, powerful and possibly required tool for effectiveness is to mix real info with disinfo.

    This list includes what immediately struck me especially in the recent break-down episode with David and why. This essay is not a criticism of the real David, it is great recognition and empathy/sympathy for the real David that I offer, but I have had growing suspicions for a long time of an underlying agenda possibly out of his conscious control, and wondered if blatant evidence of it seemed to finally burst into full exposure in the 'episode'.

    I have suspected for a long time that public personna David is a long planned, programmed alter full of software that is being cleverly and deliberately used to infiltrate and manipulate the alternative crowd. I wonder if the real David still doesn't know it, is in denial or is mostly trapped in his programmed personna, and wonder if what we witnessed may have been a rare public break in the veneer/programming with the real David alter appearing briefly begging for help.

    I too enthusiastically gravitated towards David a few years ago, appreciating his seeming incredibly deep, insightful and refreshing cutting edge grasp of the gigantic big picture delivered with a very cavalier, regular joe offhandedness. I overlooked the Cayce/self-congratulatory stuff at first.

    In an order I don't remember, I started taking note of puzzle pieces that didn't seem to fit the persona he was trying to project or the purity/reliability of his message:

    1. The most crucial, foundational red flag to me is that he grew up near a military base and was a former extreme drug addict (heroin?). Either or both are the classic child/teenhoods that have been the opportunities/origins of programs to create fractured minds extremely vulnerable to programming/alters (refresh your MKultra knowledge). This can be done without the conscious knowledge or memory of the programmee.

    2. He is blond haired and blue eyed. This is apparently the most vulnerable/desirable genetic base for mind control programming.

    3. In all his writing and lectures that I've heard claiming deep understanding of psy-ops and MKultra, he has never once addressed the issue of psy-ops having long ago perfected ability to download dreams and data into people's minds, and why he thinks his dreams are totally impervious to this. Quite the contrary - he endlessly cites his dreams as proof !! of being given special insight, futuretelling, confirmation of stuff, uncanny coincidence, etc. and even congratulates himself ad nauseum for being so special to have them.

    4. He has an encyclopedic memory of extremely complex interrelated data combining mathematical, physics, scientific, historical and archaeologicial facts. This is looks like SOFTWARE to me.

    5. It was too uncanny for coincidence to me that supposed Montauk survivor/lawyer Andrew Basiago with that wierd 60's b/w photo suddenly appeared on the major interview circuit out of nowhere robotically sounding exactly like David. This included repeating much of the exact same complex, supposed inside info in frequently the exact same phrases as David! I read many comments of people both mistaking Andrew for David Wilcock and/or noting the EXACT same tone of voice, phrasing, delivery and run-on knowledge spewing. It screamed SOFTWARE to me.

    If this is true, then I think we need to look closely at the David and Andrew version of 'reality' and why it may be being fed to us, repeated for supposed 'proof' to the alternative crowd and for what reason. Of course psy-ops is doing this somewhere, is this one of the examples? What's this agenda, where's the line between info and disinfo?

    I wonder if the similarity to David became too noticable and created too loud a buzz because something changed, and suddenly Andrew stopped sounding anything like he did at first anymore. Was this a software rewrite to de-David him? Something like a emotionless monotone really creeps me out when listening to Andrew too, and David growingly, but that's another topic.

    6. I wonder if David has also been downloaded with programs to destroy his credibility on a dime if they need to. One is his unwavering portrayal of Obama as a closet good guy playing the system behind the scenes and waiting for the right moment to be a hero. David has absolutely refused to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence about who Obama might really be that screams fraud, puppet and long destined powerless figurehead.

    7. Other programs that seem to have been implanted and mildly triggered to sow seeds of doubt for future use to discredit him are the growing list of set-in-stone declarations of what is going to happen that have not happened, frequently based on his prophetic 'dreams'. One example was flatly announcing on C2C in later 2010 or 09? that there would be full disclosure by the President by Nov. with one of the aliens standing next to him. I also notice David repeatedly using the don't worry, we're going to win, all these ugly facts don't matter stance in a sort of messianic way. It's sure is a timely sales magnet to market hope backed by nice sounding esoteric certainty in this atmosphere of dread, but also a podium that could be collapsed at any time.

    8. Didn't he once state that the publishing company for his book was going to be the same as Tolle's? It has been obvious to me that everyone repeatedly paraded by Oprah has been a fellow MK'er then if he has the same publisher as Tolle it puts him in the deep circle of controlled, manipulated info, promotion and exposure.

    9. I frankly don't know what to think about David's extreme ad nauseum self-congratulatory egotism. Would it fit that it could be an insecure alter sort of proud of/congratulating the smart alter in him?...and that's how he can do it so unabashedly egomanaically? And was the Cayce part some software yahoo in psy-ops thinking "hey.. I got it!... the new age crowd will really buy this.."? It may even be child's play to have produced a baby with facial features for this future purpose. Or I'm just sick and tired of his ego.

    10. His 50-song debut album went nowhere and things sure got quiet about the movie Convergence. Now he's got how many? $10k or more investors who bought into the glowing sales pitch promoting a far-more-generous-than-average payback 3 years ago adding up to maybe $500,000 waiting for some return. I remember reading that at the new screenwriter's suggestion, the movie premise was changed to the aftermath of the Dec. 21, 2012 'ascension' rather than the before evidence, and now we're going to know what happens after Dec. 21 sooner than any predictive movie gets finished. And what happened to the 1st round of $250?k besides the 2nd round of $250?k supposedly raised just for the screenwriter?

    11. Lastly, it's become glaringly obvious to me that everybody who is regularly on C2C or Rense are among the strongest candidates for disinfo agents, many of whom David cites as close allies - especially Hoagland & Fulford. I strongly suspect that anybody regularly parading around their constant flow of super secret insider leaks that no one else 'has' on major or growingly popular alternative networks and becomes a prominent name in the alternative insider leak business without being silenced are prime suspects.


    Anyway, I know many arguments can be made to many of these statements, and I agree that there are provable exceptions and lots of plausible denialies, and I still acknowledge that David dispels fascinating info. I especially often don't know where the line is between truth and manipulation, especially in the archao-meta-science world.

    My intention is to lay all the semi-solid pieces of a puzzle I currently see on the table for observation, refrain from conclusions and continue to closely observe to see what puzzle pieces become more solid.

    I'd sure like to hear any more puzzle pieces regarding David that's ocurred to anyone, I know I've thought of others that don't come to mind right now.

    But the red pills keep coming, don't they?

    I think it's time to really ramp up the super-vetting of all messengers and info. I'd sure like to see lots of them sit at the same table and hash out conflicting theories. I'm not hearing any interviewer ask anyone hard, put them on the spot questions.

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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    I think David's gift of peering into the future and hanging out with others who are capable of the same, didn't allow him to realize that all the multiple murders to keep the secret, wouldn't eventually creep up to his door. He could have been killed and his friend was wounded when they entered his home thinking he was David. I think right then, was when he realized how phychotic these players are. It would take a Universal Justice system to screen them all out for us to be rid of them.

    I will take each message from all that post them with a grain of salt, and if it feels like its from the heart, then I'll listen. The real listening comes from within.

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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    Not to be too serious...
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    IMHO,,,,I resonate with Davids Work tremendously, his new book SFI is incredible and endorsed by a highly credible non mainstream archeologist in Graham Hancock. I don't feel the need in second guessing him, I feel most secure with his work to say the least.
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    His book is very good.
    I dont agree with all he comes up with and I think he is perhaps a bit naive at times, however there is more plus than minus I would say.

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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    +1 well said Sebastasoul, totally agree
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    I'm about 100 pages into Source Field now and I think that David has some skills as a researcher and presenter of disparate threads of knowledge, but I gave up listening to what he said a long time ago.

    The breakdown was just too much and I nearly gagged when he and Brockbrader got into the mutual admiration and giggling with the "I can't tell you because its a secret" thing. That being said, I think that's its more about ego and persona than MKUltra.

    Sadly enough, I can't think of anyone in the alt community right now, besides maybe Richard Dolan and Graham Hancock, that I take seriously any more. The disinfo and discrediting agents must have worked their majik on me
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    Here's a quote from a post I made in October, 2011. Thought I'd share it again.

    Quote I can't say I subscribe to much of what I hear but if I were to put my money on a handful of people - David Wilcock would be on my list. I can appreciate that many are not comfortable with some of his material or how it's presented. It isn't for everyone. Perhaps that's by design. Intuitively speaking, I feel some of what Wilcock has to share is spot on. Others may not agree. That's cool. I also believe it takes courage to do what he does. I know he puts his reputation on the line with some of the statements he makes. My guess is that he even puts his own life on the line with the work he does. I don't think for a second it's glamorous. It looks like hard work and I'm glad someone is out there doing it.
    Here's the link to my original post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post334992

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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    Is it not possible that both directions are equally real?
    When you peel the layers back enough, all information coming through us is from both sides. David IS something, whether the downloads/uploads he receives/creates are negative/positive it is up for each individual to decide. To have a world without David Wilcock, one must simply just forget him. Otherwise, if we are playing the game with this person as another piece of the puzzle, he is going to look different depending on each player's perspective.

    So in making that choice, why worry about being deceived? It will only increase the possibility that that is what you will become. Just be what you want to be in regards to David Wilcock and don't allow your opinion of him to sway YOUR path either way.
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    Back to Wilcock, hey guess what? He's human just like the rest of us and that means a mixed bag. Strengths and weaknesses all rolled up into one human physical aspect of the creator. i'm pleased that he is here trying and doing, screwing up or not he's put himself out there in the game. That's a lot of work and research that he is doing, even if it's just to put things into perspective so that others can comprehensively understand it. Perfection I never expected from him. We all try to be the best we can be, and hopefully improve or at least I'd like to think so. LOL.

    I was thinking about perceptions. Is it human nature to tear things apart so that we can understand and explore them? What about people? Can we accept the flaws that we have as being a part of our human condition and move forward to try and better ourselves without hurting others in the process? Hard one. I've torn my own psyche apart many times to understand myself. I'm glad I have. Compassion would be a key word here. David's got an ego, it's hard to be compassionate to a person with such an ego... but we must or we lose our centre.

    In so far as DW being MK Ultra... hey, why not? Does this make him less of a person or more interesting? Would that knowledge, if ever divulged by him, change his perception or stance on certain issues he's written about? Honestly, I tend to think that if David had ever had the MKU training he would have had the skills not to lose his emotions to his fears of dying. That alone would make me think that he was not in an MK program. Living near a military base? Who doesn't? Harder to find someone who hasn't when you look at it that way.

    My thoughts are that DW is just another guy, exploring all the questions of the universe just as many others are. He's been public about it and thus comes under scrutiny as does everyone who extends themselves publicly, it's part of the package. He is not perfect and he has a lot of talent. Is it wrong to question DW? Absolutely NOT. Question EVERYTHING.

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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    Hey Sebastasoul,

    you put a lot of work into this post, which is a good thing to do.....go down some rabbit hole, grab the data and throw it on the table.

    I have only come across DW recently within last the year and will keep watching him without judgement for now.....

    Andrew Basiago however, I have only listened to the interview with Alfred Webre about humanoids on mars
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ttN...8eSQIUHmuTZufD
    is completely out off his mind as far as I can tell. he is giving this detailed analysis of stuff that just isnt there...nuts...I looked at the picture while I listened.....he must be hallucinating....
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    IMHO,,,,I resonate with Davids Work tremendously, his new book SFI is incredible and endorsed by a highly credible non mainstream archeologist in Graham Hancock. I don't feel the need in second guessing him, I feel most secure with his work to say the least.
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    He's one of the foremost scholars of our time and has done an immense amount for Earth. A few weeks after the financial tyranny articles came out there were arrests in Italy, and waves of resignations. Not solely down to him, but he has helped.

    If you don't like him, leave him to develop and work on your own personal evolution.

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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    I think this is a very important post, Sebastasoul.

    I have come to the conclusion that anyone - and I mean anyone - that offers me the viewpoint that the Global Rulers/Dark Cabal is wounded, on the run, in retreat, (or worst of all) "already defeated...it's just a matter of time" is so full of organic fertilizer that their eyes are brown.

    Here in the wool factory known as the United States, I would guess that 70% or more are utterly and totally clueless that they have even been 'gamed' by banksters! This isn't esoteric information, or a deep black-op secret that I'm talking about, it has been laid out for all to see - even in the mainstraem media! So if 70% don't even know that debt money is a scam, that artificial inflationary and deflationary cycles to create booms and busts and consolidate wealth is a scam, that quasi-monetary "instruments" like derivatives is a scam and had the full support of the US Congress, and that 98% of all US Congresspersons are "on the take" from banksters... if the vast majority of my fellow citizens cannot even catch on to the most obvious and fully exposed scams, what are the odds that they are aware there is even a group of top-of-the-pyramid Global Controllers - controlling much of our lives? I'd say zero percent chance. Most of these people think the financial problems were caused by poor people lying on mortgage credit applications. I'm not kidding you!

    Take that one more level, look at the 30% that have at least some awareness that there are bad guys in corporate and banking boardrooms, and try to find the percentage of people that know that there is a tier beyond those boardrooms, a tier of Global Controllers. From that small percentage, what percentage have ever even heard of MKULTRA? Out of that teeny tiny percentage, (some of whom visit 'alternative media' websites, like Avalon) how many might even entertain the notion that David Wilcock could be the unwitting mouthpiece for the Global Rulers? I'd guess the percentage is very, very low.

    I like your hypothesis. If David is not outright controlled, I believe that he is sincere but naive, feels a bit like Batman's sidekick Robin (in that "insiders" tell him all about the batcave), and is an easy target for a fun blend of info and disinfo. The mountains of gold story, the Federal Reserve bonds, the implications of imminent arrests and equitable distribution of money... at what point does it start to smell like the NWO getting the "aware" crowd to stand down, and to emotionally prepare for a One World currency delivered by the "White Hats"?

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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    In fairness to him --- I have watched quite a few videos of his talks free.
    What is helpful to me I take, what is not I leave.
    Over the years he has put out a lot of valid and well researched information, how many of us can say the same.
    Its very easy to find fault and its as though, if one part fails scrutiny it must all be suspect.
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    your comment
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    Re: Holy smokes ... something new from Wilcock

    I totally agree with ARTEMESIA who said... " For the most part, however, after months of reading Wilcock's stuff it became pretty obvious that most of it is a 'feed' into the mind control machine."

    I think it's worth monitoring Wilcock very carefully as an example of state-of-the-art mind control in our world. He grew up near a military base, and was an early adulthood major drug addict - i.e. - created gaping holes in his mind pattern available for insertion/manipulation. In all his writings, he has never once addressed this highly developed black ops capability and it's capability of inserting 'dreams' into people that he constantly expouses as his accurate future-telling, and it's pervasiveness in the people who are elevated to notoriety in the media. He has a very extreme messiah complex and near robotic recall of vast amounts of possibly very accurate cutting edge/scientific/archaeological/metaphysical data, but seems completely helpless to not draw rediculous conclusions, predictions, Obama support and more NWO agenda concepts, the combination of that would serve to be very convincing to many less discerning people.
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    Just checking on the one razing the red flag or (pill) before giving IMHO about David. With out David present to clarify any statements on his own behalf. Razes a big flag for me, as this is about the third tread today Iíve notice, conspiracy leveling at key playerís in our quest for truth and understanding. The sudden interest in knocking down tangible coherent Researchers is growing too. So looking at the one pointing the finger also bearís a look see. But some times when a placebo works as well as or better than the real drug. Its all about perception, and I think David should answer all your questions as none of us can speculate or give answer to your doubts. No I donít agree with all that David or any man sayís, and donít base the next ten minutes of my life on what any one says, unless itís ďget out of the street your about to get run overĒ but its still up to me to look see whoís telling me to look too. He might been referring to the guy about to get run over on the side street I just passed.

    Voicing your opinion 9 months ago is just that an opinion. Starting a tribunal hearing on the man is not just your opinion. But asking for help to barbeque at a tail gate party and the man isnít even present. IMHO
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    I think this is a very important post, Sebastasoul.

    I have come to the conclusion that anyone - and I mean anyone - that offers me the viewpoint that the Global Rulers/Dark Cabal is wounded, on the run, in retreat, (or wost of all) "already defeated...it's just a matter of time" is so full of organic fertilizer that their eyes are brown.

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    Take that one more level, look at the 30% that have at least some awareness that there are bad guys in corporate and banking boardrooms, and try to find the percentage of people that know that there is a tier beyond those boardrooms, a tier of Global Controllers. From that small percentage, what percentage have ever even heard of MKULTRA? Out of that teeny tiny percentage, (some of whom visit 'alternative media' websites, like Avalon) how many might even entertain the notion that David Wilcock could be the unwitting mouthpiece for the Global Rulers? I'd guess the percentage is very, very low.

    I like your hypothesis. If David is not outright controlled, I believe that he is sincere but naive, feels a bit like Batman's sidekick Robin (in that "insiders" tell him all about the batcave), and is an easy target for a fun blend of info and disinfo. The mountains of gold story, the Federal Reserve bonds, the implications of imminent arrests and equitable distribution of money... at what point does it start to smell like the NWO getting the "aware" crowd to stand down, and to emotionally prepare for a One World currency delivered by the "White Hats"?

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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    Only thing I can say is that after searching this rabbit hole system for a very long time there is only one constant truth to be found. That truth is all tunnells eventually run directly back to the main hole/burrow, and the only thing you'll find in there is a bunch of venemous snakes that have killed and eaten all the rabbits that had tried to find their way home.

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    I just moved two posts, made earlier in this thread, to the The Truth Exposed by WellAware1.com? thread. They seemed more on topic over there.
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    Default Re: Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

    I like David but his Obama support has me wondering. What does he say about all these anti freedom laws he has endorsed? That would have been the time for him to prove his decency. So, we have David believing that Obama is a good guy, doesn't sit well on my lap. Bill Ryan doesn't trust every word he speaks either and he has had many private meetings with him. I laughed at the names below the people on that second interview with Kerry, Bill had written under his picture Bill Ryan, Bill Brockbrader had his name under too and David had Source Field Investigation under his pic. He used that interview to promote his book. Yuck. And the smirking at the OP said between BB and DW was juvenile to say the least. He has a few question marks against him in my book. I loved Kerry interview with Stew last week. He was a real Hoot and never once advertised his website or any of his books. He would have named a few more names if Kerry had either asked him or not interupted him in full flow. Sebasasoul your OP was well written with lots of reasong and no hatred or mockery.


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