What is this Crest

[ROMANWKT]

I would like to ask you my learned friends if anyone can understand the symbolism of this crest, it was given to me when I was 13 years old by a most wonderful lady, right after her husband died. She had given birth to 3 children, all over 11 pounds each and had an extremely rare blood, which was always a big burden to her at giving birth and
further calamities of life. None of her children inherited the rare blood group, which was a blessing to her wonderful heart.

That Lady was my mother, and this is all we have left of her families crest. She died 2 years ago today on her 90th year.

I have been waiting for somebody to ask me what my avatar was, and nobody did.

So anyways, it looks like I am an illuminati bastard, and the bastards forgot about me, hehe

SO I would really be interested what the hell it means, this was a hand copy from the British museum 50 years ago, the guy who was doing this for my parents died, and thats as far as it went.

Fathers connection is all top brass military and law, Mothers connection to the Czechoslovakian throne.

Now any comments on me being a Illuninati bastard will not end up as a smack on the face, but the traditional removal of a face, hehehe.

Regards to all, what do you thing???

roman

[NeverMind]

I can only repeat what I said a few days ago, in the thread about ancestry:
Verbatim:

Well, that's the English (Tudor) rose -- quite prominent, in two places -- and those "horns" may be cornucopia.
but that's all I know.

It should be easy enough to find out, however, with the help of a good heraldry book.

The mystery, should there be one (and there often is one, certainly in genealogy), is probably hidden in the difference between the "horns" or cornucopia, and in the pendant hanging from the neck.

By "Czechoslovakian", I am assuming you mean the Bohemian throne (which is a complicated affair - thrones usually are ). But I am no expert on this particular subject, so I'll leave it to others.

[king anthony]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
...That Lady was my mother, and this is all we have left of her families crest...

Do you have a larger version to post and leave up for a while?

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by NeverMind (here)
I can only repeat what I said a few days ago, in the thread about ancestry:
Verbatim:

Well, that's the English (Tudor) rose -- quite prominent, in two places -- and those "horns" may be cornucopia.
but that's all I know.

It should be easy enough to find out, however, with the help of a good heraldry book.

The mystery, should there be one (and there often is one, certainly in genealogy), is probably hidden in the difference between the "horns" or cornucopia.

By "Czechoslovakian", I am assuming you mean the Bohemian throne (which is a complicated affair - thrones usually are ).

But I am no expert on this particular subject, so I'll leave it to others.

Hi NeverMind

Thank you very much for that, I missed your ancestry thread, have not been here for a while, anyways thank you, all very interesting.

regards to you
roman

[Ellisa]

There was a connection through the English throne to Bohemia (that used to be part of what became Chechoslovakia). Prince Rupert of Bohemia fought in the Civil War on the side of Charles 1. He was the son of Elizabeth of Bohemia, the sister of Charles,who had married the ruler of Bohemia. ( i can't remember if the husband was a King or Duke!) Charles 1 was a Stuart, but since he was descended from Mary Queen of Scots, there would have been some Tudor in there somewhere I think. They are definitely Tudor Roses.

Try searching on a genealogy site. They are very helpful.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by king anthony (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
...That Lady was my mother, and this is all we have left of her families crest...

Do you have a larger version to post and leave up for a while?

Well Hallo Anthony, long time no see and hear, hope all is well with you, and thing are coming around for you.

I have tried to put the picture in and it will not go, the pics is on my computer, and it asking me for Urals, I gave up.

If you are logged in just press my name above the avatar and go to my profile, there is a bigger version there.

Very nice to hear from you again Anthony, be well and regards
roman

[NeverMind]

Thank you very much for that, I missed your ancestry thread,

Oh, it's not mine! I strayed into it, I don't even know how, a few days ago, and saw your question there, along with a few others.
That's all.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Elisa (here)
There was a connection through the English throne to Bohemia (that used to be part of what became Chechoslovakia). Prince Rupert of Bohemia fought in the Civil War on the side of Charles 1. He was the son of Elizabeth of Bohemia, the sister of Charles,who had married the ruler of Bohemia. ( i can't remember if the husband was a King or Duke!) Charles 1 was a Stuart, but since he was descended from Mary Queen of Scots, there would have been some Tudor in there somewhere I think. They are definitely Tudor Roses.

Try searching on a genealogy site. They are very helpful.

Hi Ellisa

Thank you for that as well, yes I Always thought it was funny having a Tudor rose, especially all my connection is deep in Europe, My mother was always tight lipped when it came to this, she had such great fear that something would happen to her children, I know a lot of things that did happen, but that was always of limit, surrounded by great danger. it will be interesting if somebody comes up with the crest house name.

Thank you again and regards
roman

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Posted by NeverMind (here)

Thank you very much for that, I missed your ancestry thread,

Oh, it's not mine! I strayed into it, I don't even know how, a few days ago, and saw your question there, along with a few others.
That's all.

No problem thank very much anyway
regards to you again NeverMind
roman

[mariposafe]

Hi Roman, I'm no expert on genealogy, but it was a bit of a hobby for me when I was younger. Although yes, it looks like a Tudor rose, the overall feel of it is most certainly not English, but you know that already ! It's certainly intriguing, and I would echo Elisa's suggestion of finding a decent heraldry site, or a book. Better still, you may be able to find a real person (heaven forbid in this day and age !!) who can help you.

Good luck, and please let us know if you find the answers !!

PS - Iluminati bastard ?? Naaaah.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by mariposafe (here)
Hi Roman, I'm no expert on genealogy, but it was a bit of a hobby for me when I was younger. Although yes, it looks like a Tudor rose, the overall feel of it is most certainly not English, but you know that already ! It's certainly intriguing, and I would echo Elisa's suggestion of finding a decent heraldry site, or a book. Better still, you may be able to find a real person (heaven forbid in this day and age !!) who can help you.

Good luck, and please let us know if you find the answers !!

PS - Iluminati bastard ?? Naaaah.

Hi mariposafe

I have always kept this under wraps, as my mother made me apprehensive to explore this further, yes I know the crest house name its my mothers, but do not wish to dig outside this forum, unless other wish to do it, there is still second generation left, as for myself i have no problem. I will check out deeper but not face to face. will see how it get on and will put it in the thread.

Thank you anyways mariposafe and regards to you
roman

PS Can you hear a knocking on you door, you free face lift has arrived, Naaaah.

[bearcow]

the tudor rose represents the 5 elements (earth, fire, water, air, ether)

the inner petals represent the magnetic energy (yin)

the outer petals are electric (yang)

the two horns or whatever they are coming out of the head also represent the yin yang polarity in the brain. the left side is unbroken (yin), the right side has vertical lines running through it. it is yang and also envelops the body of the figure, meaning the person is left brain dominant. the vertical lines represent spiritual aspiration, the individual right hand dominance in the body symbolizes the individual is on the "right hand path"

i cant really see what is going on on the crown

while we are focused on decoding symbols, anyone care to take a stab at whats going on in my
avatar?

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

Hi, Roman,

Love to take a crack at it but need to know what was this rare blood type? Also did you get her type or not? If not, does yours match your Dad's instead?

My take is by doing this through a very different route but to me, blood tells all. There are no bastards just part of the 3D illusion and not real!

Cheers!

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by bearcow (here)
the tudor rose represents the 5 elements (earth, fire, water, air, ether)

the inner petals represent the magnetic energy (yin)

the outer petals are electric (yang)

the two horns or whatever they are coming out of the head also represent the yin yang polarity in the brain. the left side is unbroken (yin), the right side has vertical lines running through it. it is yang and also envelops the body of the figure. the vertical lines represent spiritual aspiration, the right hand dominance in the body symbolizes the individual is on the "right hand path"

i cant really see what is going on on the crown

Wow bearcow

That's good, it sound like you're really into this, that also very interesting, that a fairly deep aspect in a symbolic form, would the Chinese aspect still be valid for Europe in them days??

Press my name on the avatar and go to my profile, there is a bigger pics.

Really thank you very much bearcow its most interesting to me, it has depth.

regards and thank you
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Darla Ken Jensen Pearce (here)
Hi, Roman,

Love to take a crack at it but need to know what was this rare blood type? Also did you get her type or not? If not, does yours match your Dad's instead?

My take is by doing this through a very different route but to me, blood tells all. There are no bastards just part of the 3D illusion and not real!

Cheers!

Hi Darla nice to hear from you

I haven't the exact blood type here, its at my sisters, Its an A group I believe, the doctors always said that she had to be careful as there are not many people in this group and no help in emergencies and no we all got our fathers blood type, and yes I understand where you're coming from about being a bastard, but my wife thinks otherwise. hehe

Nice to hear from you Darla
warm regards as always
roman

[ROMANWKT]

[Herbert]

That is definitely not the Tudor rose. It is the Luther rose which was common in German coats of arms. You will find pictures here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_rose

It sounds like your mother had Rh negative blood which would be a problem in childbirth if the father was Rh positive. Just a guess on my part.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Herbert (here)
That is definitely not the Tudor rose. It is the Luther rose which was common in German coats of arms. You will find pictures here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_rose

It sounds like your mother had Rh negative blood which would be a problem in childbirth if the father was Rh positive. Just a guess on my part.

Dear Herbert

Are you insinuating that my family apart from being Illuminati bastards, that they are also Nazi bastards as well???? hehe

Well you could be right we have a strong connection to Germany, yes, very good, as I had said in the first post the Guy that was working on the copy from the Museum died suddenly (Gulp) and its incomplete.

Yes there is an Arian connection as well. and I just got your added comment on the blood, no that's not about the blood incompatibility, it was about blood lost at birth, I was an 11 1/2 pound baby, she had to be cut for normal birth.

Thank you for that Herbert its seems to be leading the right direction, thank you

regards to you
roman

[EnergyGardener]

Roman,

I am enjoying the developing information on your crest and life beginning.

It definitely has very interesting and strong symbolism, focused on the rose/flower. Wondering what that five star symbol above the crown/knight's helmet between the horns represents.

EnergyGardener

[nomadguy]

This video presentation by David Talbott brings and interesting idea into the mindstream. The idea that nearly all the symbols we know of are from one story, our primordial history. A crest to me, always seemed to show a sort of eclipse pattern...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSB93dGMGeg

[Wantsthetruth74]

Here is an interesting thread discussing blood-types (particularly rh neg.) from Davidn Ike.com forum. I think its a connection between rh negative and the reptilian races.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=51245