What is this Crest

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

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Posted by starchild111 (here)
Here is an interesting thread discussing blood-types (particularly rh neg.) from Davidn Ike.com forum. I think its a connection between rh negative and the reptilian races.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=51245

No, this is not correct.

"If two Rh-Negs try to have a baby it will usually die or be born a "BLUE Baby", because it is Not processing oxygen properly. Thus "Blue-Bloods", if they survive. 5% of the Earth's population are currently Rh-Negatives. But, they are 15% of the population of the England and the USA."

If an Rh-Neg and an Rh-Pos have a child it can be a Blue Baby. Nothing happens when two RH-negatives or two RH-positives have a child, the RH factor doesn't kick in at all. If this element is wrong in such a statement, it is possible other aspects are mistaken as well. It's a pretty serious error.

[Dorjezigzag]

I would say what looks like horns coming out of the head is actually a lyre. One of the original stringed instruments gifted by Apollo to Orpheus. The symbolism of this instrument is extremely profound but looking at the general symbolism of the crest as others have noticed the symbolism suggests Lutheran reformation rather than occult significance. The rose and the lyre are symbols associated with the Lutheran church. Please look carefully at these stain glass windows from a Lutheran church where you will see both the lyre and the rose.

[learninglight]

Hi Roman

The 1st thing that came to mind when i looked at the crest was 'ISIS', i have no idea why this notion popped into my head but i shall be having a good nose around to see what i come up with

much love

[modwiz]

Roses are symbolic of both purity, love and high spiritual attainment. As flower essences they are the royalty, but as any properly structured system would be lost with out the balance of the other influences. Pyramids and caste systems have a correctness to them when regarded in their proper supportive and interactive structures. That is another tangent though.

Getting back to balance we have the two "horns" in a reverse yin/yang type of presentation. Horns are very representative of divinity through higher receptivity as antennae. Hathors had horns as well as stagmen and the Celtic god Cernunnos. Viking helmets are another manifestation of this energetic symbolism. The unicorn is chastity as it stands alone. Male chastity specifically. What looks like a face-plate hints at warrior, or dukedom.
The bottom rose is where a heart chakra would be and the top one is at the crown. All in all, a very noble sacred warrior in service to the highest good is indicated. It is a very uplifting and exalting crest. I get a very ancient feel from it when the masculine stood in service to Sovereignty and kept Her safe from being profaned.

My two cents worth on the matter.

[Dorjezigzag]

The lyre in crests on top of the facial armour is a common theme.

[passiglight]

Hi Roman,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Looks like a chivalric order,,,,looks masonic to me and feminine in appearance.........

Hope you are well friend

[cellardoor]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

The most interesting thing I see about this crest are the two horns sticking out of the portcullis crowned head. Baphomet instantly sprang to mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet
While modern scholars and the Oxford English Dictionary[27] state that the origin of the name Baphomet was a probable Old French version of "Mahomet",[12][22] alternative etymologies have also been proposed:
In the 18th century, speculative theories arose that sought to tie the Knights Templar with the origins of Freemasonry.[28] Bookseller, Freemason and Illuminist[29] Friedrich Nicolai (1733–1811), in Versuch über die Beschuldigungen welche dem Tempelherrenorden gemacht worden, und über dessen Geheimniß (1782), was the first to claim that the Templars were Gnostics, and that "Baphomet" was formed from the Greek words βαφη μητȢς, baphe metous, to mean Taufe der Weisheit, "Baptism of Wisdom".[30] Nicolai "attached to it the idea of the image of the supreme God, in the state of quietude attributed to him by the Manichean Gnostics", says François Juste Marie Raynouard, and "supposed that the Templars had a secret doctrine and initiations of several grades" which "the Saracens had communicated ... to them."[31] He further connected the figura Baffometi with the pentagram of Pythagoras:
What properly was the sign of the Baffomet, 'figura Baffometi,' which was depicted on the breast of the bust representing the Creator, cannot be exactly determined.... I believe it to have been the Pythagorean pentagon (Fünfeck) of health and prosperity: ... It is well known how holy this figure was considered, and that the Gnostics had much in common with the Pythagoreans. From the prayers which the soul shall recite, according to the diagram of the Ophite-worshippers, when they on their return to God are stopped by the Archons, and their purity has to be examined, it appears that these serpent-worshippers believed they must produce a token that they had been clean on earth. I believe that this token was also the holy pentagon, the sign of their initiation (τελειας βαφης μετεος).[32]

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Dorjezigzag

Very interesting glass work, yes there is a common theme around most crests, the truth is there is very little uncommon to go by, but thank you very much for your effort, well see how it goes.

Thank you and my regards to you Dorjezigzag

roman

[DeDukshyn]

The flowers ... to me look like the bottom view of a PINE CONE -- quite accurately in fact (dogwood or poppy were my other two thoughts). The pine cone is often a symbol used to indicate the pineal gland ...

[DeDukshyn]

Here I fixed it up ...

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by learninglight (here)
Hi Roman

The 1st thing that came to mind when i looked at the crest was 'ISIS', i have no idea why this notion popped into my head but i shall be having a good nose around to see what i come up with

much love

Thank you learninglight you never know it could be isis, they did hide her under different orders, it its feminine, so we will see as we hopefully get more info.

Nice to see you here and my warmest regards to you and P

roman

[Seikou-Kishi]

I can say a few things about the coat of arms.

The first is that the rose is not a Tudor rose, at least not as it is presented in the picture, the blazon may say differently but I have no way of knowing that beyond a reasonable doubt.

Second: while it is the improper order to derive a blazon from a depiction (the correct order being to derive the depiction from the blazon; since individual artists may draw the same blazon differently, finding a blazon from a depiction is problematic), the tentative blazon would be 'gules a rose argent'. An internet search with these terms doesn't return much, however. A more particular description would have it "... a rose seeded and barbed argent", but a blazon of that description returns no results at all.

Third: the crest (the part sitting on the helm, not the whole thing) is very Germanic; the twin horns are a particular feature common in a lot of German heraldry, and also often lower-Scandinavian heraldry. The division of the horns into two colours (the dexter argent like the rose and the sinister gules like the field) suggest (though this is by no means certain) that the crest belongs to a cadet branch, with the undifferentiated crest belonging to the capital line. In addition, the crown from which the crest issues is an adelskrone (noble coronet) of a member of the untitled nobility.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Roses are symbolic of both purity, love and high spiritual attainment. As flower essences they are the royalty, but as any properly structured system would be lost with out the balance of the other influences. Pyramids and caste systems have a correctness to them when regarded in their proper supportive and interactive structures. That is another tangent though.

Getting back to balance we have the two "horns" in a reverse yin/yang type of presentation. Horns are very representative of divinity through higher receptivity as antennae. Hathors had horns as well as stagmen and the Celtic god Cernunnos. Viking helmets are another manifestation of this energetic symbolism. The unicorn is chastity as it stands alone. Male chastity specifically. What looks like a face-plate hints at warrior, or dukedom.
The bottom rose is where a heart chakra would be and the top one is at the crown. All in all, a very noble sacred warrior in service to the highest good is indicated. It is a very uplifting and exalting crest. I get a very ancient feel from it when the masculine stood in service to Sovereignty and kept Her safe from being profaned.

My two cents worth on the matter.

Well modwiz

Really nice to talk to you at last, you made me feel warm and great with your explanation, I wish to hell it was true, you really presented a beautiful picture, only time will tell if we are close to the real basic common features that are so elusive. I am only grateful that the unicorn was not there, as I would of failed my ancestry with my degenerate past hehe.

Thank you very much modwiz for a lovely expression, warm regards to you

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

The most interesting thing I see about this crest are the two horns sticking out of the portcullis crowned head. Baphomet instantly sprang to mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet
While modern scholars and the Oxford English Dictionary[27] state that the origin of the name Baphomet was a probable Old French version of "Mahomet",[12][22] alternative etymologies have also been proposed:
In the 18th century, speculative theories arose that sought to tie the Knights Templar with the origins of Freemasonry.[28] Bookseller, Freemason and Illuminist[29] Friedrich Nicolai (1733–1811), in Versuch über die Beschuldigungen welche dem Tempelherrenorden gemacht worden, und über dessen Geheimniß (1782), was the first to claim that the Templars were Gnostics, and that "Baphomet" was formed from the Greek words βαφη μητȢς, baphe metous, to mean Taufe der Weisheit, "Baptism of Wisdom".[30] Nicolai "attached to it the idea of the image of the supreme God, in the state of quietude attributed to him by the Manichean Gnostics", says François Juste Marie Raynouard, and "supposed that the Templars had a secret doctrine and initiations of several grades" which "the Saracens had communicated ... to them."[31] He further connected the figura Baffometi with the pentagram of Pythagoras:
What properly was the sign of the Baffomet, 'figura Baffometi,' which was depicted on the breast of the bust representing the Creator, cannot be exactly determined.... I believe it to have been the Pythagorean pentagon (Fünfeck) of health and prosperity: ... It is well known how holy this figure was considered, and that the Gnostics had much in common with the Pythagoreans. From the prayers which the soul shall recite, according to the diagram of the Ophite-worshippers, when they on their return to God are stopped by the Archons, and their purity has to be examined, it appears that these serpent-worshippers believed they must produce a token that they had been clean on earth. I believe that this token was also the holy pentagon, the sign of their initiation (τελειας βαφης μετεος).[32]

Yes you could be right cellardoor, They were all at it worshiping some thing or other, but all eventually they fell to the Roman Catholic cult, thank you very nice try and interesting.

regards to you cellardoor, and thank you

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
The flowers ... to me look like the bottom view of a PINE CONE -- quite accurately in fact (dogwood or poppy were my other two thoughts). The pine cone is often a symbol used to indicate the pineal gland ...

Yes again DeDukshyn this is an interesting view, I understand what you are saying as others have done above you in this thread, but the honest truth may be that they do not get to such positions for being nice people, if we are going to be honest, as history does show, possibly less spiritual and more of the aggro.

thank you for that, see how we go,regards to you
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Attachment 14413

Here I fixed it up ...

Yes thank you DeDukshyn, yes that look better, more detail, look bland as hell, we will see if it help, thank you

regards to you again DeDukshyn
roman

[Ellisa]

This has been such an interesting topic Roman! I find history and the past very interesting, and it is a shame we often ignore the things that make us who we are. I hope you are enjoying all the ideas you have started off!

I was sure that was a Tudor Rose! I was WRONG. Thanks to the information here, I have been searching the Luther Rose etc. It's fascinating, and actually quite important information for us still.

I agree about the Rh neg. blood posters. It is a not uncommon condition, but now, with modern medical care, it is managed well. The first child is often fine, but the blood supply of the mother can be deadly to subsequent children (depending on blood-type)..

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
I can say a few things about the coat of arms.

The first is that the rose is not a Tudor rose, at least not as it is presented in the picture, the blazon may say differently but I have no way of knowing that beyond a reasonable doubt.

Second: while it is the improper order to derive a blazon from a depiction (the correct order being to derive the depiction from the blazon; since individual artists may draw the same blazon differently, finding a blazon from a depiction is problematic), the tentative blazon would be 'gules a rose argent'. An internet search with these terms doesn't return much, however. A more particular description would have it "... a rose seeded and barbed argent", but a blazon of that description returns no results at all.

Third: the crest (the part sitting on the helm, not the whole thing) is very Germanic; the twin horns are a particular feature common in a lot of German heraldry, and also often lower-Scandinavian heraldry. The division of the horns into two colours (the dexter argent like the rose and the sinister gules like the field) suggest (though this is by no means certain) that the crest belongs to a cadet branch, with the undifferentiated crest belonging to the capital line. In addition, the crown from which the crest issues is an adelskrone (noble coronet) of a member of the untitled nobility.

Thank you for that Seikou-Kishi

I am going to have to check what some of these word you used, yes I believe your on the right track concerning the Germanic, my mothers life was spared because of the German connection even though they were not in Germany at the time of German aggression, but this connection is Saxon.

Thank you for your search Seikou-Kishi sounds good, we will hopefully see

thank you again, and regards to you
roman

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
The flowers ... to me look like the bottom view of a PINE CONE -- quite accurately in fact (dogwood or poppy were my other two thoughts). The pine cone is often a symbol used to indicate the pineal gland ...

Yes again DeDukshyn this is an interesting view, I understand what you are saying as others have done above you in this thread, but the honest truth may be that they do not get to such positions for being nice people, if we are going to be honest, as history does show, possibly less spiritual and more of the aggro.

thank you for that, see how we go,regards to you
roman

I think there is not a direct relationship between "nice people" and "knowledge of advanced things" -- like pineal gland. My 2 cents.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
This has been such an interesting topic Roman! I find history and the past very interesting, and it is a shame we often ignore the things that make us who we are. I hope you are enjoying all the ideas you have started off!

I was sure that was a Tudor Rose! I was WRONG. Thanks to the information here, I have been searching the Luther Rose etc. It's fascinating, and actually quite important information for us still.

I agree about the Rh neg. blood posters. It is a not uncommon condition, but now, with modern medical care, it is managed well. The first child is often fine, but the blood supply of the mother can be deadly to subsequent children (depending on blood-type)..

Hi Ellisa

Yes it is interesting, but I cant see any use of our dreadful history, other than a lesson which we still have difficulty with, hence the state we the stupid people allow this nonsense to repeat over and over.
And yes your right about the blood and I will see my sister soon to get the correct group for my mother.

Thank you for your interest Ellisa, and my regards to you
roman

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Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
The flowers ... to me look like the bottom view of a PINE CONE -- quite accurately in fact (dogwood or poppy were my other two thoughts). The pine cone is often a symbol used to indicate the pineal gland ...

Yes again DeDukshyn this is an interesting view, I understand what you are saying as others have done above you in this thread, but the honest truth may be that they do not get to such positions for being nice people, if we are going to be honest, as history does show, possibly less spiritual and more of the aggro.

thank you for that, see how we go,regards to you
roman

I think there is not a direct relationship between "nice people" and "knowledge of advanced things" -- like pineal gland. My 2 cents.

OK DeDukshyn

Agreed.

regards to you whatever DeDukshyn

roman