If God sent a new Messenger to found a new religion - would you care?

[cellardoor]

We are all "Gods" messengers. Does anyone care?

[nearing]

Here is some religion in action (just today):

Infant dies after contracting herpes during blood-sucking Jewish circumcision ritual at hospital

Nice huh?

[cellardoor]

Posted by nearing (here)
Here is some religion in action (just today):

Infant dies after contracting herpes during blood-sucking Jewish circumcision ritual at hospital

Nice huh?

This insanity needs to stop. What say does an infant have? It's disgusting.

[Maia Gabrial]

Manmade religions are nothing more than CONTROL mechanisms.... There should be no one standing between you and your Creator.

[Dennis-G]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Manmade religions are nothing more than CONTROL mechanisms.... There should be no one standing between you and your Creator.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Maia.

Here are just a few ways God has spoken to me:


Lightning by Kernl


baby bentrup by paparutzi


tree by ystenes


Argentina mountain by @Doug88888

[Maia Gabrial]

Couldn't have said it better myself, Maia.

Here are just a few ways God has spoken to me:

DG, beautiful words they are, too. No one says it better than God!

[markpierre]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Yellow and green is a nice combination.

Yellow and green are the Australian national colours. They look okay on an Olympic swimmer. But they're also the Green Bay Packers, so maybe.
But I think invisible is the way to go. Yellow is like shouting, even if it's smiley. Get so invisible that you eventually disappear.

Plain and simple? You should be able to write it on your thumbnail. "Stop what you're doing!"

[panopticon]

Posted by nearing (here)
Here is some religion in action (just today):
Infant dies after contracting herpes during blood-sucking Jewish circumcision ritual at hospital
Nice huh?

*** I GREATLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO READ THE ARTICLE ***

G'day Nearing,

So, an old bloke sucks a little boys penis as part of this version of the circumcision ritual...
The child dies from herpes...
Looks like a ritual from the bronze age to me. Oh, that's right, it is!
Judaism/Christianity has its roots in the distant past and yet people are surprised by these sorts of "traditions".

Oh and this isn't an isolated incident:

Rabbi Zwiebel believes roughly two-thirds of newborn boys in the city’s Orthodox communities are circumcised through metzizah b’ peh, in which a rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth.

Thank you for finding this example for us.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

Further Reading (for those who give a damn):
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1032432
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1034585
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/ny...on-ritual.html
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/ne...rescinded_2007
http://gothamist.com/2012/03/08/rabb..._investiga.php

[S-L]

Thank you all for your interesting responses - this thread has been a real gem for me - a real learning experience.

On a general basis, the root of this thread is: are you open minded enough to change your mind and open your heart when presented with a New Message from God?

If you do not feel that Marshall Vian Summers is the New Messenger for Humanity, then that is one thing. I understand that. But to deny the possibility of a Messenger from God ever delivering a New Message, and founding a New Religion, is the height of arrogance, but also very understandable. There is no blame here.

I used to be atheist. They say: real truth is an experience. Words on this screen are hollow as compared to the type of experience necessary to really provoke this openeness in your heart. I cannot give it to you. It necessitated many profound experiences for me to be able to open myself to the possibility that God has sent a New Messenger. I don't expect everyone to accept this. But perhaps a few Avalonians have found their way and have resonated with the New Message. This possibility makes me happy.

Thank you once again for your sincere responses. I enjoyed reading them immensely.

Nasi Novare Coram

[GalaxyHorse]

thunder24 how utterly, perfectly true-even if you are a 'follower' of Jesus, there was a message to get along and
treat one another as each expects to be treated...what has this to do with buildings, cathedrals, institutions
Dogma and division-slaughter in the name of 'good'? Well said indeed....last thing we need is yet another Religion, hell no.

[Abductee S]

i have to say at first the idea seemed strange and not feasible. then i started to think how in the world could i know if that was possible or not? i don't know what could happen in my own life from day to day. how in the world could i say this is not possible? i can't say that.

if there is a god and it is what i understand that to mean, then no one, really, can say what god will or will not do. i certainly would at least listen and investigate that kind of claim myself. and given the possible magnitude of that, i certainly would spend some time doing my investigation.

[kreagle]

Posted by Taurean (here)
For me religions are for the uneducated/illiterate masses, real spirituality is what is contained in the heart.

Taurean,

Thanks for the compliment,.....honestly! I feel genuinely honored to have been placed in the same company as the following:

Acts 4:13
King James Version (KJV)

13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

It has always baffled the "intellectual minds of the world" to unconditionally accept and believe in the Word of God,.....and it always will!

1 Corinthians 1:18-21
King James Version (KJV)

18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The pursuit of "intellectualism" should never, at no time, require the throttling of God's Word, in one's everyday life. Rather, it should do nothing but "enhance" your pursuit and take it to greater and more profound heights! The caveat to this, of course, is to build properly within the guidelines of the Gospel Message.

You see,......Wise Men still seek the Lord!!!

Love and Peace to all,.......kreagle

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his contrarian cap...

So what is it with the ongoing campaign to give people the ability to side step personal responsibility by oh so conveniently providing some external entity to whom they are all too easily led to believe will carry the liability for their own actions for them??

No problem with that plan of action...unless of course you wanted / expected the world to turn out differently to that which you see.

If there is a dog he,she,it failed dismally in the communication stakes the first time round what makes you think a second attempt will be any better.

As for talking to my maker(s) I regularly pick up the phone to say hi to mum and dad and wouldn't dream of laying the blame for this mess at their feet...

That being said I await the opportunity to point out a few home truths to the purportedly omnescient, omnipotent, all powerful, loving entity that claims to be the creator of everything as soon as it cares to stop hiding like some chickensh!t coward and step up to the plate to own some of the crap that has gone down throughout history on this planet through it's choice not to intervene to stop the atrocities it would have known where coming.

Of course some may argue that all is unfolding as it should which means Machiavelli and Sun Tzu were mere babes in the woods compared to this thing. Ugly indeed.

Made in it's image.... I certainly hope not... I know I'm better than that !!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by peace (here)
god sure needs a lot of donations (i get why, just being silly).

so to answer the question of this thread - which is more of a endorsement of the website - no. i wouldn't.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo

[Camilo]

The only thing humanity does not need for sure is another religion to mess things up further.

[FutureHumanDestiny]

Did God ever found a religion? in my reading, God formed covenants with people(s) and the stories of those covenants became the religions.

[panopticon]

Why not have a good laugh!

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv49_YZUt3k

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_69yvFZH9U

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5icH00b0A0

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[Abductee S]

ok, so marshall summers is claiming to be god's messenger. he says that god's angels speak through him and that has resulted in a blistering 9000+ pages of information that we all need to see.

i started reading this information, and i have to tell you, it's not what you might think. it seems really practical and relevant to me and what i see around me. it certainly (from what i've read so far) doesn't idolize mr. summers or say that we should. it clearly says he is simply the messenger and the information that was given is what we should be focusing on.

i've read nothing so far that makes me feel any kind of sense that this is nonsense. yes, it could be easy to say this is impossible because of tons of reasons we all can come up with. but really, do these reasons hold any validity or are they simply our way of not facing something that has the power to completely change our perceptions if it is real?

again, i'm going to investigate this more and see if i find anything that strikes me as b.s. i'll keep you posted.

[peace]

Posted by S-L (here)
Thank you all for your interesting responses - this thread has been a real gem for me - a real learning experience.

On a general basis, the root of this thread is: are you open minded enough to change your mind and open your heart when presented with a New Message from God?

If you do not feel that Marshall Vian Summers is the New Messenger for Humanity, then that is one thing. I understand that. But to deny the possibility of a Messenger from God ever delivering a New Message, and founding a New Religion, is the height of arrogance, but also very understandable. There is no blame here.

I used to be atheist. They say: real truth is an experience. Words on this screen are hollow as compared to the type of experience necessary to really provoke this openeness in your heart. I cannot give it to you. It necessitated many profound experiences for me to be able to open myself to the possibility that God has sent a New Messenger. I don't expect everyone to accept this. But perhaps a few Avalonians have found their way and have resonated with the New Message. This possibility makes me happy.

Thank you once again for your sincere responses. I enjoyed reading them immensely.

Nasi Novare Coram

the height of arrogance? geez. sorry.
no... no, i'm not.
could be flipped and said - you believing this could happen is the height of arrogance. which isn't a great argument
it doesn't hold. and kind of a mean spirited thing to say.
people gave you honest answers. and you said you understood.

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I was thinking about S-L and how this material was presented and thought that maybe I'd been a bit harsh as I hadn't really looked into this group and their message. I took the time and have read a number of pages and detailed some initial thoughts for anyone who may be interested. As of yet I haven't had time to listen to 'the initiation' audio (only glanced at the transcript) and shall give a more detailed response as time permits.

This was the first page I read as it was short and the title ('What is the New Message from God?') seemed to indicate that it was a good place to at least start. I inserted commentary [in square brackets] as I read it and bolded certain key words for later reference.

“A New Message has been sent from
the Creator of all life. It is a message to prepare
the individual and to prepare the peoples of the world to
survive and to advance through the great perils that await
humanity. It is a great gift in the face of an urgent need.”

[Well this should be an interesting ride. They're going to tell me a message from the creator that will allow me to survive and advance in the coming years of peril. Let's see if they deliver a message or at least tell me what the 'great perils' are...]

There is a New Message from God in the world. It is a gift from the Creator of all life for the protection and advancement of humanity. It contains a warning, a blessing and a preparation for all the peoples of the world.

[Other key words used in this first paragraph include protection and advancement while interest is kept with the phrase "a warning, a blessing and a preparation". Typical indoctrination patterns being used in this so far]

The New Message is not based upon any existing religious tradition or spiritual teaching [we are special unlike anything else]. It is a gift for people of all nations and faiths. It honors the enduring truth in all the [other] great Messages that the Creator has ever given to the world, [the following creates a special place for the initiate as they now share in secret knowledge, also they might have forgotten what was said in the first sentence of this paragraph by now] yet it is unlike anything that has ever been revealed to humanity before.

The New Message from God is a genuine communication from the Creator that has been sent into the world at a time of great change, conflict and upheaval [the world is always in a state 'of great change, conflict and upheavel' so this is just the continuation/modification of similar techniques used by "end world-armageddon groups]. The New Message provides the knowledge, wisdom and direction that humanity could not provide for itself to meet the great challenges that are now facing the entire human family.

[The above paragraph is not really saying anything other than the world is rubbish and getting worse but we got the key so listen to us].

The New Message is an answer to the sincere prayers of people from all nations and faith traditions for freedom, security and deliverance. It is a new revelation about humanity’s One Spirituality, the preservation of the world and humanity’s future and destiny within a Greater Community of intelligent life in the universe.

[Well this really said nothing other than "we special, message special, listen to us cause new message special"...
It certainly didn't answer the question which was: 'What is the New Message from God?']

I read other pages following this one and they all seemed to have the same form of word usage patterns and message.

For example the second page I visited was 'Why is it here?' and in it the technique was again a common one of phrase repetition. The phrase used was 'That is why there is a New Message from God.' Simpler phrases are often more effective as they can sit in the sub-conscious mind of the individual without much of a challenge. On a quick scan words such as 'Intervention' and 'Knowledge' placed throughout the text also caused me to wonder what was being talked about (I am yet to come across where it actually says what is meant).

The third page I read ('How does God communicate to you?') was equally evasive with power and controlling phrases used throughout. I was greatly concerned by this section of text which seems to indicate that only through joining with others can the initiate truly understand the message (this is a very common technique everyone should already be aware of):

The New Message will teach you how to understand these things in the clearest way possible. Yet because this is a new threshold and a new understanding for humanity, it will take time and encouragement from others who are learning with you. It is difficult and challenging to learn something for the first time when everyone around you holds a different set of values and assumptions.

I shall look into the writings further however I think the use of key phrases, emotive language and lack of any actual information so far does not bode well...

I will listen to 'The Initiation' later and will give an opinion as time permits.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

Sources:
http://newmessage.org/
http://wp.newmessage.org/what-is-the...sage-from-god/
http://wp.newmessage.org/why-is-it-here/
http://wp.newmessage.org/how-does-go...nicate-to-you/
http://wp.newmessage.org/the-initiation/