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    In my younger years, before the internet existed, i was introduced
    to the bible by going to church. I listened to what was said but as a
    kid, i let a lot of it go in one ear and out the other. As a teenager, i
    began reading some of the bible and the story itself is rather interesting,
    so i read more and more until i actually read all of the O.T. After reading
    it, i thought to myself that God is really a cruel God. He had men go
    fight in wars, in his name, he made job think that he had to make a
    sacrifice to God, using his son, he took everything job had away from
    him and so on.

    After reading the N.T, the message was a lot kinder and loving than
    what God was saying and i began believing more in that message. With
    God, humans had no way to redeem themselves but with jesus, we did.
    Although i was never a full blown christian, i believed in the core values
    that the N.T taught us and i kept those word with me throughout most
    of my younger adult life. I was happy about myself and all was well with
    the world.

    After learning about God, Jesus and the bible, i started hearing about ufo's
    and such and my interest was peaked. After i got my second computer and
    an internet connection, i began my search into ufo's/aliens. Before this
    forum, i used to go to a different one and it was there where i first started
    hearing things about aliens being the ones that created humans on earth.

    Not only humans but according to the annanuki, they created not only all
    human life but all plants and animals as well. Then we had yet, other aliens
    that came along and messed with our dna even more and created a better
    human. The number of aliens that supposedly messed with our dna ranges
    anywhere from 24 to 56 different alien races. The numbers seem to change
    all the time.

    We have people like Bob Dean, Clifford Stone and John Kettler and don't
    forget our own Dreamsindigital, telling us that aliens are good and they are
    here to help us but we also have aliens out there that don't like us very well
    and are experimenting on us.

    Then we have David Wilcock who tells us that we are all gods, we live in a
    matrix and blah blah blah. That man makes no sense at all.

    The point being though, what if everything that we are being told is all
    crap. None of it is true. Of course, aliens exist. I think most of us know
    this to be true and some of us on a more personal level know this to be
    true also. The thing is though, what if all these aliens are really nothing
    more than satans followers? We know from the bible that God cast satan
    and his army out of heaven and down to earth. These entities, i'm sure,
    were/are very intelligent and they created spacecraft to wiz them of to
    different planets and what not and maybe some even stayed here on earth.

    I can only assume that these entities, in their original form is of a spiritual
    nature and maybe they can even change their form to look more human
    or more reptilian or whatever.

    In todays world, people are more easily fooled into believing almost anything
    and i see that, just from watching the news every day. It practically takes
    no effort at all to make a human believe something. The smarter a person is,
    the more easily they are fooled.

    So, along comes johnny alien and tells the world that they are good aliens
    but in reality, they are really part of satans army. They are here to harden
    mans heart against God. They want to win your souls. The bible says to be
    on the lookout for false prophets and soothsayers but it doesn't say that they
    would only come from earth.

    Look at all the turmoil that comes from believing in aliens. They supposedly
    contact a person and tell them to spread the message that they will land on
    earth at a certain date and it never happens. They tell you, through a
    messenger that they will do something that will prove they are here and
    nothing happens. Some say they are here to help us, yet others say they
    are not here to help us. Some say the greys are good and some say the
    greys are bad.

    If there were any truth in any of this stuff, would'nt the whole story be more
    consistent? As it is now, we have messengers only giving us very small
    pieces of the puzzle, yet none of the piece fit together. We have to read in
    between the lines to make sense of the story.

    As it stands right now, i'm leaning back toward the bible. The stories are
    more consistent than what we are getting from alien messengers right now.
    I know all religions are wrong and they all should be stopped right now.
    At least though, the king james bible instills a lot of good core values that
    all people should live by. Look at what is happening in the world because
    we cast God off to the side and replaced him with aliens. The world is going
    to hell, real fast and it can only end in our total destruction if we don't get
    back to God like we should.

    I know many of you have your own truths to live by and i'm not here to
    change your minds. I just had to rant about this because at the moment,
    this is what i believe. I think we all are being taken for a ride on a spaceship
    in our minds but that ride won't last forever.
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    foreign policy. - Henry Kissinger

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    Quote Posted by humanalien (here)
    Look at what is happening in the world because
    we cast God off to the side and replaced him with aliens. The world is going
    to hell, real fast and it can only end in our total destruction if we don't get
    back to God like we should.


    I know many of you have your own truths to live by and i'm not here to
    change your minds
    . I just had to rant about this because at the moment,
    this is what i believe. I think we all are being taken for a ride on a spaceship
    in our minds but that ride won't last forever.
    I have highlighted the text that indicates where you contradict one statement with another. Get back to God like *we* 'should'? Are you actually talking about yourself here? By all means, if you feel that you 'should' be following this path, then follow it- but spreading your reality across everyone else? Mmm.

    See, I *don't* think I 'should' be doing anything of the sort. I grew up with those who waved the KJ around while they were doing horrible, disgusting things, so I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of what's written in it either- I have one child who identifies as gay and from memory, that doesn't go well in that book; women and children get a bum deal in it too, as do concubines, slaves and anything *not* the dominant religion in the book. Um. I have a different experience and memory of the history of the 'god' in that bible and it's not 'divine' in origin (if one is using 'divine' to mean 'from the higher vibrations of the Multiverse'). *But* that is my experience and I'm fully aware that we all have different paths.

    Personally, I'm choosing a path where religion *isn't*. Spirituality, absolutely and yes, but not religion. Religion is not kind to anything that it decrees 'not us', and as a Being that has identified as 'not human' since I could first speak, that would mean me. And my partner/s. Oh, and my children. Mmm, and my friends- and well, pretty much *anyone* that I enjoy hanging out with. In any of the realms.

    Find what calls to you, what speaks to your inner Self in its highest expression and do that, is what I practice for myself and strive to live; if what calls to you is the religion of the KJ bible then by all means follow it and I wish you well. However, please don't start another Crusade- the last ones sucked, any new ones aren't going to suck any less. This time though, I will arm myself and fight like a fury and I will kill with any means available at my disposal before I let another christian tie me or any member of my family to a stake and set us on fire again.

    Just so we're clear.

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    Default Re: What to believe

    songsfortheotherkind:

    Perhaps you should state whether or not you still believe in a
    single creator God before i speak about your post much. Some how,
    that slipped right past me.

    No, I am not promoting God and religion to anyone here. I thought
    i said that in my first post. People have their own truths or paths to
    follow and at this stage in the game of life, it's to late to be trying to
    get more recruits now.

    I only wanted to share what i thought what was my truth and path to
    follow because it's the only thing that makes sense.

    Trying to keep up with all these different alien stories is getting to be
    very difficult to follow because nothing matches up. Police use story
    matching to find out if someone is telling the truth or not and when the
    story doesn't match, the story is a lie. This is how i'm feeling about all
    the different alien stories. Nothing matches up, so all of them are a lie.

    I haven't got the strength nor the will to try to change anyones mind
    about what i feel they should be believing in. If you want to believe in
    the easter bunny and santa clause or what-ever, then that's up to each
    individual to decide. Since i think the a lot of our bibles have a mix of
    truths and lies, i can't believe in any religion and i wouldn't ask anyone
    to believe in one either. So much of Gods word has been left out and
    changed that it's no longer Gods truths.

    As it stands right now, the only thing that i would encourage other to
    be is an STO (Service To Others). It doesn't hurt anyone to be nice to
    others and help them when they need help.....
    Military men are "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for
    foreign policy. - Henry Kissinger

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    Hello HA

    Funny, I think you are feeling a bit like me...or I am feeling a bit like you....
    I was genuinely shocked this morning when I browsed briefly through the threads before heading off to work. I only dipped into a couple that caught my eye, and was amazed at the outrageous statements that a few people were making! They weren't specifically regarding UFOs, but I don't think the concerns you are raising in the OP exclude other kinds of info.

    The only conclusions I could come to were that either
    • it is all pure fiction written as fact (could we call that lying?)
    • they are delusional
    • I am so limited in my experience of the world that everything I previously thought is wrong and what I am reading is true...scary but possible

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    No. It doesn't just have to be about aliens/ufo's. I could even include
    Ben Fulford, the White Hats/Dragons, Bill Woods and others in this to.

    They all come out with lots to say about everything, yet nothing is
    provable and this is a big problem for me. How do you know if something
    is happening if it can't be verified.

    Right now, the only person still talking on the internet, that i believe is
    telling the truth is alex jones. At least with him, he has the actual government
    documents and web sites to back up everything he says.

    I don't exactly know why, but for some reason, i still believe that Duncan
    O'finioian is telling the truth. I know it sounds crazy but i do. He offers no
    proof of what he says but it's like i can tell for sure that he speaks the truth.
    This is my truth and i don't expect anyone else to believe in what i do.
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    I was going to post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56K1NraOcZ4 then decided not to-- but O.K. I will.

    How has anyone decided?

    I am okay so far with Duncan O'finioan. No doubts. Sorry if this is cryptic in any way.

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    discern and to each his own. Namaste, love and peace universally

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    The more information I read, especially about aliens the closer my heart becomes to the "true God". I do believe that there is a single creator and sure, maybe we were spliced together in a Petri dish, but those "creators" did by no means create our souls. They did not give us our "God Spark". I know a lot of you out there don't believe there is actually a "God" and, well.. Good, whatever works for you is just fine and dandy to me.

    Oh, yes that is what I was getting at. My first "love" used to answer questions from my heart with this,"Believe what you want to believe. .. Whatever makes you happy".

    I tell you, then I thought it was a pretty bunk answer to my questions, but over time- like 15 years and plenty of life lessons, I've genuinely come to cherish these words, and now carry them closely in my heart.

    And that, my friends is my two cents .

    Be happy, be merry and laugh.. Enjoy the ride and watch the plants grow.

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    Out of the darkness
    and into the light
    This is the journey
    we all must fight.
    If our time here
    is used in this wise,
    we can be sure,
    to find the Grand Prize.
    -RM
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    HA, my answer to your thread is my own thread:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...isillusionment

    I guess we are feeling similarly these days.
    "In science, I discovered, you cannot find the Truth."
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    You have some good points, and you pose some good questions.
    You might be onto something with the whole, alien/demon/angel/fourth density/future self. Whatever.
    A lot of the problem with the alien, 4 density,thing is when you really start to trace the roots, back too the Sitchin's, Velikovsky, and Däniken's, it just doesn't hold water.
    But there is something going on. The government really is evil,, and run by the banking system. Illuminati, The Cabal (use for dramatic effect) There really is **** going on that we don't know about. The world is a mess and at war with itself using American made weapons, as we just kind of point a finger and drop a bomb. So yeah, something is going on but....
    If you hold up Bob Dean, Clifford Stone or John Kettler, to the same scrutiny as we do the older holy type text, it would be almost laughable.
    Some of it's true, the rest, eh.

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    In the end it's all psy-ops in one form or another for the sole purpose of sts. Your current reality all depends on which end of the sh*t stick you're holding on to !

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    HA, my answer to your thread is my own thread:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...isillusionment

    I guess we are feeling similarly these days.
    Thanks nearing. I guess we do think the same way.
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    I have studied almost all of the Christian religions trying to find God and...
    I would like to share with you a beautiful though from the Jehovah Witness. Don't hang up on me yet... To date the Jehovah Witness are the fastest growing religion in the world for a good reason.

    Please be advised that I issues with organized religion and don't go to church.

    They taught me one valuable lesson you may not have learned....
    Imagine a baby dies during child birth. Most Religions say it's God's will. Wrong. Where does it say that God kills babies? This is a perversion by people who should know better (Clergy). What the Bible actually says is Satan is allowed to kill the baby. Satan (Satan means "The Opposer") was allowed to rule the Earth after the Fall of Mankind in Eden. Do you really question this? Satan rules now. Got that? While Satan is allowed to rule the world now, his days are numbered. Soon God’s people will inherit the Earth. The others will simply die.

    This is why God allowed Satan to test Job.
    Job never questioned God. Job knew God would never do bad things to him. This is the moral of the story. Job questioned why he was being tested. Didn't you learn that after reading it? In any case, when life throws you a curve ball which seems unfair, IT IS SATAN who is trying to destroy your love for God. All too often people of weak faith blame God for the problem. Most religions don't teach this. They simply say that God works in mysterious ways. There is no mystery here.

    God doesn't work in mysterious ways. Satan does.
    Many of the people who make money off religion make the people who exploit channeling pale in comparison. God isn't the kind that you have to wind up on Sunday. In any case, the Sabbath isn't Sunday, it's Saturday and Jesus’ birthday isn't December 25th either. As far as organized religion goes, there’s enough huey to go around.

    To not believe in God cheapens life.
    I believe in God, and I feel God lives in each one of us. I cannot escape that fact. I find God everywhere. I find it him mostly in Love. You may be surprised to know that his name was taken out the Bible and replaced with God or Lord so his name wouldn’t be taken in vain. I bet a lot of you are glad for that. His name is Jehovah and it is a powerful name to invoke. It works. Try is sometime.


    The Project Avalon Prayer:

    The Bible said that in the end times there would be many deceivers of the truth
    and many would be led away from the Kingdom of God. In other words, this forum could land you straight in Hell or what the Bible really teaches permanent death.
    I try not to think about that though.

    Dear God,
    Please forgive me for I have sinned. I’ve watched YouTube Project Camelot videos with Bill and Kerry and read their forum all in a search for truth. Please forgive me in Jesus name. Amen



    Please be advised that the New Testament was written in around 70AD.
    It was the inspired word of God or in other words... Channeled.
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    its a soap opera....take it all with a grain of salt....many tons of ore, yield ounces of gold human aleen....don't wear urself out wishing and hopeing...id say if u quit looking, the next puzzle peace u need will fall in ur lap. just saying..

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    How do you know there aren't aliens whom look like us walking and breathing on this planet as we speak?
    "The Cure to Cancer grows from right under our feet,
    but we are to ignorant to look below our nose"

    "Although I Live On This World, I Choose Not To Live In It"
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    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    How do you know there aren't aliens whom look like us walking and breathing on this planet as we speak?
    I'm quite certain there is

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    Quote Posted by gypsybutterflykiss (here)
    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    How do you know there aren't aliens whom look like us walking and breathing on this planet as we speak?
    I'm quite certain there is
    *waves, grinning*

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    I have studied almost all of the Christian religions trying to find God and...
    I would like to share with you a beautiful though from the Jehovah Witness.
    As an ex-Witness, I'll pass on that. Ugly, genocidal blood gods don't appeal to me.

    Quote To not believe in God cheapens life. I believe in God, and I feel God lives in each one of us. I cannot escape that fact. I find God everywhere. I find it him mostly in Love. You may be surprised to know that his name was taken out the Bible and replaced with God or Lord so his name wouldn’t be taken in vain. I bet a lot of you are glad for that. His name is Jehovah and it is a powerful name to invoke. It works. Try is sometime.
    "I cannot escape that fact". If you are referring to the 'fact' that you believe in a god and that you feel this god lives inside others, then this I understand, because for you this is indeed your reality and thus a fact *for you*; if, however, you are referring to this as being a 'fact' for everyone else, then I rebut your claim- no 'god', and especially not thatparticular group of Beings masquerading as a god, has anything at all to do with or in my life. Nope.

    I rebut your assertion that my not believing in a god cheapens any life, mine or others; given how I have observed some religionists to be, I'd be in a position to assert that the *belief* in a god frequently appears to cheapen life, at least in regards to all those who don't believe in that religion. Such statements regarding belief when made in the 'this is how it is for *me*' language aren't offensive because they're Sui Generis and simply an expression of how the individual is doing things; if I am aware that an individual is a practitioner of a one god perspective I generally respect that and most often choose to not interact with that Being, unless they are the rare Being that can have their perspective without needing to point it anywhere else; if, however, an individual starts to point their one god/bible perspective at me I'm going to rebut it. If they persist, I'm going to let my fangs grow, my ears get very very pointy, let my nails turn into claws and, just to put a real emphasis on things, let leathery wings unfurl from my back, and I'm going to not be human about what I say or do next.

    I fully support any Being's choice of path. I will never dispute your right to follow and believe whatever you wish to because I hold to Sui Generis for all Beings, so long as that path doesn't involve harming another Being in any way. However, as soon as a Being starts trying to cover *my* energetic signal with their belief system then I am going to rebut their assumption. Every time. Unsurprisingly, the bible is pretty big on the harming of other Beings, by using the justification 'it's god's law'.

    You do not have my permission, ever, to call that god into my space, by your blanket assumption that it's not going to be profoundly offensive to do so. It's really, really rude/ignorant in its lowest forms and it is a massive energetic invasion in others. It's one of the tools that are currently being pointed at the population, assumption, along with construment, and it's doing really ugly things on the planet. This is 'my' space because it's an open thread in a forum in which all Kinds have been invited; if you wished to start a thread entitled 'singing the praises of the One God' you can be absolutely sure that I would have every respect for such a thread and would never, ever enter it or talk about it. Why? Because I do not experience that religion, that book, that god or its followers in a positive way. I experience no religion in a positive way. I'm an ex-Witness,and in earlier childhood, have had my share of born again as well: I know that book *really* well, it's still ugly and this isn't even getting into how ugly that book or its history is to me as an Otherkind. I'm not human. Things haven't gone well for me in the past previous to this life, at the hands of the writers, and later, followers of that book.

    If you want to post things like this, please do it in a thread where the subject is clearly defined; I try to do this with topics that I think some mind find uncomfortable or not to their taste, because I understand many have no-go zones and I respect that. The bible, its gods, its teachings and all religion in general are no-go zones for me; I don't allow any individual to 'pray' for me because I find the energy signal dissonant and disturbing, it's just not my thing. I have a right to decline any energy I don't wish to have introduced into my space.

    I am generally curious about something, however- what is a follower of the christian one god doing here anyway? Isn't that fraternising with witches, tellers of fortunes, harlots, dogs, false prophets who seduce followers away from the 'one true god'? I'm genuinely puzzled- aren't some of us here by our actions and words the children of this 'satan' you mentioned, those who reject the god of the bible and its teachings, according to the teachings in the book itself?

    And finally- the JWs are one of the fastest growing religions on earth for a simple reason- in my 18 year association with the religion I observed that they are trained to be excellent spiritual predators.

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    songsfortheotherkind:

    Perhaps you should state whether or not you still believe in a
    single creator God before i speak about your post much. Some how,
    that slipped right past me.
    I am in loving relationship with a few Creators; so I do not experience or believe in a single creator, nor do I experience 'gods', as none of the Creators I am in communication/relationship with have any interest whatsoever in being seen or treated as a 'god'; they experience such aims and claims to be low level, vibrationally, and personally so do I.

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