What to believe

[Ellisa]

If aliens created life on earth they still would not be gods. They would be aliens who seeded this planet, perhaps with everything that lives here, or most likely, as is often discussed on this site, just we humans. They would not have been supernatural divinities, just extremely clever aliens! Even if we worshipped them and built rich and varied religions, with intricate laws and rituals that will endure forever and give comfort to many, they would still not be gods.

There are, as I type this, scientists somewhere all over this planet researching and trying to duplicate the recreation of the origin of life. Personally I do not doubt that one day they will be able to do just that. Will they then be gods?

[humanalien]

Back when humans were first created, supposedly by aliens, humans
would have indeed looked upon aliens as gods. If they would have
stuck around here on earth and not let us make any tech advances,
more than likely, they would still be looked upon as gods. Not that
i support this idea but giving you a possibility of what could have happened.

[Ellisa]

I understand that this could happen-- indeed it did in the South pacific where many islanders set up shrines to worship the people who arrived in ships,and, most impressive of all, in planes- and unloaded unimaginable luxuries. These were strange people unlike anyone they had seen before. They established a belief system about these events, which were called Cargo Cults, and their followers were mocked. But as you say, this may have been what happened all those years ago with aliens and our forebears. But it still does not make our visitors into gods.

Of course if you agree with me on this, you then have to ask who, what or how did the aliens start off? I don't believe a Creator made them- I believe it is possible for life to evolve within its own environment if the conditions are right, and maybe one day those beings travelled to other worlds, as maybe one day we humans will.

[RedeZra]

Posted by humanalien (here)
I think for me, i am terribly confused and don't know what to believe any more.

Scripture is true

and aliens are demons in disguise


they will come en masse in UFOs lookin like humans

but they are not


they are manifestin spirits and hybrids


the Bible says because men did not love truth God will send them a great delusion


i used to say come to the Cross but now i must say run

Christ is the Livin God

[pie'n'eal]

We are sentient beings (having a mind), so we at this present moment are not omniscient. So have to rely on some proof, inference and trust. One can only trust, if there is some proof and one understands what is inferred. So 75% has to be provable, 20% inferred and so we have to trust the other 5%. That 5% is known in our actual practice of the subject.

Take learning music. We hear music, so we know it's possible. We are told that scales and cords are the basics. We then practice to put it all together. Then the dots join up!

To find someone to trust, we need to examine them closely. Poke it, smell it, chew it, digest it....know it!

[pie'n'eal]

integrity |inˈtegritē|
noun
1 the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness : he is known to be a man of integrity.
2 the state of being whole and undivided : upholding territorial integrity and national sovereignty.
• the condition of being unified, unimpaired, or sound in construction : the structural integrity of the novel.
• internal consistency or lack of corruption in electronic data : [as adj. ] integrity checking.
ORIGIN late Middle English (sense 2) : from French intégrité or Latin integritas, from integer ‘intact’ (see integer ). Compare with entirety , integral , and integrate .

[PHARAOH]

[QUOTE=foreverfan;446093]I have studied almost all of the Christian religions trying to find God and...
I would like to share with you a beautiful though from the Jehovah Witness. Don't hang up on me yet... To date the Jehovah Witness are the fastest growing religion in the world for a good reason.

Please be advised that I issues with organized religion and don't go to church.

They taught me one valuable lesson you may not have learned....
Imagine a baby dies during child birth. Most Religions say it's God's will. Wrong. Where does it say that God kills babies? This is a perversion by people who should know better (Clergy). What the Bible actually says is Satan is allowed to kill the baby. Satan (Satan means "The Opposer") was allowed to rule the Earth after the Fall of Mankind in Eden. Do you really question this? Satan rules now. Got that? While Satan is allowed to rule the world now, his days are numbered. Soon God’s people will inherit the Earth. The others will simply die.

Sorry bro but unfortunatley GOD, God or god is a murderer of children. Read: "Exodus 12:27" amongst so many other attrocities. Either way, I have been a member for some time and I'm still dumbfounded by the constant lack of responsability we take for our lives and creation. I see constant posts of disempowerment, saving alien spiecies, relegion, pornagrafear, just wait till the 2012-13 accension... WTF!!! When will we begin and continue the dialogue about how marvelous, great and powerful we ALL are and what we are "CREATING"!

Is this where we take two steps back??? "OUT"..............

[humanalien]

People need to quit believing in the delusion that they can create,
simply by thinking of it. Who started this? David Wilcock? When was the
last time you created a fridge full of food because you lack the money
to buy food or you created money with the power of your mind to buy
food? When was the last time you created a mountain range or turned
a barren land into a life supporting eco system?

People give themselves way to much credit for believing they can create
anything. The last time i checked, humans are not Gods nor are they even
little gods. Humans are only using around 10 percent of their brain power
and yet we a able to create things? Wake up and smell the truth, please...

You are just falling for the rubbish that david wilcock and others are telling
you. When was the last time DW created anything with his mind? If you
consider lies as something that can be created by the power of your mind
then yes, i can believe that....

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by humanalien (here)
People need to quit believing in the delusion that they can create,
simply by thinking of it. Who started this? David Wilcock? When was the
last time you created a fridge full of food because you lack the money
to buy food or you created money with the power of your mind to buy
food? When was the last time you created a mountain range or turned
a barren land into a life supporting eco system?

People give themselves way to much credit for believing they can create
anything. The last time i checked, humans are not Gods nor are they even
little gods. Humans are only using around 10 percent of their brain power
and yet we a able to create things? Wake up and smell the truth, please...

You are just falling for the rubbish that david wilcock and others are telling
you. When was the last time DW created anything with his mind? If you
consider lies as something that can be created by the power of your mind
then yes, i can believe that....

humanalien, wot you are talking about is called magical thinking.
Its very common among 4 year old kids. One could hope that
adults had put that aside, but alas. LOL


Jorr

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Posted by humanalien (here)
songsfortheotherkind:

Perhaps you should state whether or not you still believe in a
single creator God before i speak about your post much. Some how,
that slipped right past me.

I am in loving relationship with a few Creators; so I do not experience or believe in a single creator, nor do I experience 'gods', as none of the Creators I am in communication/relationship with have any interest whatsoever in being seen or treated as a 'god'; they experience such aims and claims to be low level, vibrationally, and personally so do I.

i like this post...

it's been scientifically proven that the atom can be chopped n chopped n chopped, but no matter how many times it's diminished you will never reach a singularity.

if there is no level to the smallness, then there is no level to the bigness either.

even God has a God. and that God has a God...and so on.

Yesssss, this just has to be the case, i think of this in exactly the same way, makes me wonder on what forum God has his/hers endless pro/con discussion on God and with whom. This would be a great equalizer if he would be wrestling with the same filosofical hooha as we are.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by humanalien (here)
People need to quit believing in the delusion that they can create,
simply by thinking of it. Who started this? David Wilcock? When was the
last time you created a fridge full of food because you lack the money
to buy food or you created money with the power of your mind to buy
food? When was the last time you created a mountain range or turned
a barren land into a life supporting eco system?

People give themselves way to much credit for believing they can create
anything. The last time i checked, humans are not Gods nor are they even
little gods. Humans are only using around 10 percent of their brain power
and yet we a able to create things? Wake up and smell the truth, please...

You are just falling for the rubbish that david wilcock and others are telling
you. When was the last time DW created anything with his mind? If you
consider lies as something that can be created by the power of your mind
then yes, i can believe that....

I dont agree with this at all actually but i understand what your PO is steering at.

Your above quoted post. my 2 cents for what its worth that is.

1. I create paintings, meals, new jobs, finances, relationships and what not by first having an idea, and than ACT upon this thought, dont stop at just thinking. There will be additional work involved.

2. Mountains take a lot of work( its the stacking of large boulders and rock etc thing, the ACTION following up on the thought.

3. Ecosystems can be build, with spades, buckets, water and wurms to start with but you have to DO the Shoveling, watering, collecting the wurms, planting the trees which in turm will atract some more creatures and plant species just by the wind and birds pooping some seeds around at random.

Wont go into the Wilcock part, this is a personal opinion you stated above, but i will not judge him on this, its his life and if someone takes his word for thruth so be it.

He didnt hurt me one bit, so i have no stake in the outcome whatsoever as of yet.

[Solstyse]

Posted by humanalien (here)
People need to quit believing in the delusion that they can create,
simply by thinking of it. Who started this? David Wilcock? When was the
last time you created a fridge full of food because you lack the money
to buy food or you created money with the power of your mind to buy
food? When was the last time you created a mountain range or turned
a barren land into a life supporting eco system?

People give themselves way to much credit for believing they can create
anything. The last time i checked, humans are not Gods nor are they even
little gods. Humans are only using around 10 percent of their brain power
and yet we a able to create things? Wake up and smell the truth, please...

You are just falling for the rubbish that david wilcock and others are telling
you. When was the last time DW created anything with his mind? If you
consider lies as something that can be created by the power of your mind
then yes, i can believe that....

The idea of perception altering reality, has firm roots i n quantum physics.
I far from an expert, but this is an interesting little video.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

The 10% of our brain thing is a little truth laced with a lot of myth. We may only actively use 1 in every 10 nerve cells in our brain at any moment, but the ones we are not actively using are still receiving signals, and the other 9 nerve cells will be used in the very next micro second. We use our entire 3 pounds of brain everyday, what you do with it is up too you.

As far as DW ( Darkwing Duck anyone? ) he apparently created an entire financial empire out of his mind.



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[jorr lundstrom]

Creating anything with thoughts alone. LOL I say, go for it.

Watch up for headaches. LOL

Adding physical effort is concidered cheatening.


Jorr

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Creating anything with thoughts alone. LOL I say, go for it.

Watch up for headaches. LOL

Adding physical effort is concidered cheatening.



Jorr

i'm busted then ?

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Creating anything with thoughts alone. LOL I say, go for it.

Watch up for headaches. LOL

Adding physical effort is concidered cheatening.



Jorr

i'm busted then ?

From your post I conclude youre a man of action. You sure
will get things done. But as you say it takes more than thoughts.


ROFLOL


Jorr

[foreverfan]

You know that's the big question there. Where does Religion fit into the "New Age" dogma? Knowing what you know now, read Revelation and see if it doesn't start to make sense. It's some pretty scary stuff.[COLOR="red"][COLOR="red"]


The above video shows that nothing exists unless there is a conscience to observe it. I've seen this before. Morpheus had all the answers. I took the red pill years ago.

[humanalien]

Using the power of your mind alone is what i'm talking about
and many people here and everywhere think they have the power
to do this, although they have never done it before.

I think 665 plumber of the beast explained the best form of creating
that a human can do. Everything starts with a thought but nothing
can get started or created until you use your hands. This is where
the real creating begins. Most people create every day by thinking
of what they want for supper then go to the kitchen and create it
but i know this isn't the type of creating some people are thinking
of when they speak of it. I think they are talking about the magical
kind, where they don't have to lift a finger.

[RedeZra]

Posted by humanalien (here)
Using the power of your mind alone is what i'm talking about
and many people here and everywhere think they have the power
to do this, although they have never done it before.

many seem to have been misled to think that they are already capable of turnin water into wine

so much so they don't even bother to try


such feats are not the workins of mind but spirit

so no amount of intelligence can make them fly or walk waters on foot

[Titan Orion]

Posted by humanalien (here)
Using the power of your mind alone is what i'm talking about
and many people here and everywhere think they have the power
to do this, although they have never done it before.

And how would you know they have never done it before?

Nobody said anything about filling your fridge up by thinking about it.

I do not believe it to be creating matter, but creating situations. Its to do with all that talk of the collective, and the idea that your thought is not merely just inside your head.

[Delight]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

Posted by humanalien (here)
People need to quit believing in the delusion that they can create,
simply by thinking of it. When was the
last time you created a fridge full of food because you lack the money
to buy food or you created money with the power of your mind to buy
food? When was the last time you created a mountain range or turned
a barren land into a life supporting eco system?

People give themselves way to much credit for believing they can create
anything. The last time i checked, humans are not Gods nor are they even
little gods. Humans are only using around 10 percent of their brain power
and yet we a able to create things? Wake up and smell the truth, please....

humanalien, wot you are talking about is called magical thinking.
Its very common among 4 year old kids. One could hope that
adults had put that aside, but alas. LOL
Jorr

I have never seen a mountain created but I have seen one destroyed. One of the things notice-able is that it sure seems easier in the Kali Yuga to destroy than to create.That is kind of a joke and yet true.

I used to work as a psychiatric nurse. It was in that context that I heard the term "magical thinking" (considered immature and bad). Basically it means the belief that ones thoughts make something happen. So in immaturity, for instance: to wish someone dead would cause that to happen.

With one diagnosed group called borderline personality disorder, relationships are really an issue. It seemed uncanny at times that with a person in the hospital, there was always manipulation observed from that "patient" to try to manage people (splitting people, projecting extreme "good" and "bad", volatile swings of closeness and rejection). Because of the dynamics, there was always some drama happening. And weirdly, an expectation of abuse, with SO much abuse seen.

I remember thinking, given that magical thinking was going on, could it be actually causing life to unfold as believed? The main problem was that the blief was not "OH, I absolutely love life and life loves me", but "I hate everything and always get abuse".

I cannot doubt that our thoughts create reality but there is a lot more to the equation. And I will side with mature magical thinking. And as far as I am concerned, I did manifest a refrigerator full of food. It's just that I didn't specify it would arrive by anythig other than my auto and my arms.