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    One does not need lot of meaningful words to melt the heart...just listen.





    A version for scholars.


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    I think Buddhist is just someone who can talk there way out of any situation. If they see a rock they think is alarming, they talk to that rock until they feel it has no harmful intentions. Really, Buddhists are just really slick talkers who will talk to anyone and anything.
    Having never met an alarming rock, I'm grateful that I haven't had to talk to it...
    I dream of being a slick talker

    Seriously, what are you talking about??!!
    Adapt or die. Fear of the Unknown. I think there for I exist.

    Its all the same unless you want it to be different.

    Buddhism. Its just a word.

    About? Anything you want in order for both of us to feel free and full of love.

    Aww nuts.

    Respond.

    You're right...a good heart doesn't need a name.

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    Some people preach, Others have a gift of reminding people of things that they already know, occluded by our busy lives. They ring bells. You can be our Bow Bells.......Don't be getting big headed 'though. Thank you.

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    Quote Posted by percival tyro (here)
    Some people preach, Others have a gift of reminding people of things that they already know, occluded by our busy lives. They ring bells. You can be our Bow Bells.......Don't be getting big headed 'though. Thank you.


    Well, some friends say, "Big Tone", and that one can understand. Big'Ed is strange because my name is not Ed.
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    Once at a teaching, the lama told a story of Dilgo Khyentse a very high lama, who was eating at a meal with other lamas. He took a piece of food out of his mouth and offered it to another lama.

    This lama was furious … then the lama at my teaching said to us all “What happened next?”

    Everyone replied with some sort of answer. I was really keen to have the 'right' answer, I mean really keen! But all I could reply was, “Impermanence!”

    The answer, was that the furious lama had to swallow his pride!

    But what was the lesson?

    In my being really, really keep to have the right answer, I was engulfed by pride.
    I felt so stupid, it knocked me for six. (English cricket expression). That's crazy wisdom for you!

    Learning is painful, but we learn.

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Once at a teaching, the lama told a story of Dilgo Khyentse a very high lama, who was eating at a meal with other lamas. He took a piece of food out of his mouth and offered it to another lama.

    This lama was furious … then the lama at my teaching said to us all “What happened next?”

    Everyone replied with some sort of answer. I was really keen to have the 'right' answer, I mean really keen! But all I could reply was, “Impermanence!”

    The answer, was that the furious lama had to swallow his pride!

    But what was the lesson?

    In my being really, really keep to have the right answer, I was engulfed by pride.
    I felt so stupid, it knocked me for six. (English cricket expression). That's crazy wisdom for you!

    Learning is painful, but we learn.
    Good story Tony ~ even Lama 's learn hard felt lessons ...

    Note ~ Buddhism (or) the teachings of the Eightfold Path have become for me the mechanism (learning tools) for interacting and dealing with others...
    And by learning (practicing) to nurture these tools within myself ~ those (believed) truths have enabled me to reach further into myself in finding peace and harmony upon this world.

    it is said Pain Is Inevitable... but i like to believe Suffering is optional... or more realistically perhaps Less pain is Better.

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    Not to cast aspersions, but religion mostly is perversion.
    Two or three are always warring, but then take Buddhism –
    Buddhism is boring.
    Boredom is a mere modification of consciousness.
    Even "direct realization" is in consciousness.
    Consciousness is stressful (and boring).
    Hence, boredom can never amount to realization --
    not by inference, accident, or incident.
    If you think there is a "beyond consciousness",
    that thought is in consciousness.
    It's boring, like Buddhism.
    I like grilled meats, but
    I’m still a vegetarian. Auspiciously,
    the 5 aggregates are my playground.
    It’s a game of names with no players,
    so what’s in a name?
    We like it like that, maybe not.
    This manifesto has yet to be moderated.
    All things in moderation, please.
    If I were to really say it, nothing would change.
    That would be enough for direct introductions.
    There, I've said it!
    Who are these people in the dream?
    How fast they can fly when they've a mind for it!
    They grill meats in my supermarket parking lot --
    a captivating aroma, verging on multiple
    fender benders. Buddhism is just to stop.
    Shoppers, the only sin is to wake up.
    Compassion is simply to watch
    where you're going.
    It won't hurt anybody.
    Anybody is in consciousness.
    If you believe there is anybody beyond consciousness,
    that belief is in consciousness (and boring).
    Better to fly -- the world is alive
    with the sound of music.
    That is enough.
    Flying is extra.
    Music is extra.
    Just watch where you're going in consciousness:
    exactly nowhere -- flying through the dream,
    a dream in the supermarket parking lot
    of consciousness, alive
    to the music of grilled meats
    and fender benders.
    It is not Buddhist, not boring.
    Not greedy, angry, envious or deluded.
    Not an inference or direct realization.
    Not a conception nor perception.
    Nothing special.
    Nothing in particular, square, or circular.
    Everything is quiescently resting in moderation,
    right on the verge of extinction.
    Nirvana means extinction –
    it’s a favorite Christmas tune.
    For example, visit a Buddhist temple.
    Yes, just sit. Sit and sit
    in the fragrant snake pit.
    Be bored.
    Be bored for the sake
    of all grilled sentience.
    For the sake of grilled snakes,
    for goodness sake,
    all wrapped up in Buddhist robes,
    awaiting a Christmas that now can
    never come! Not fun!
    Real Compassion is not to lose
    your sense of humor, and so
    is never boring, never and always
    in consciousness, never actually
    stressful or moderated, just
    enjoying the parking a lot,
    the skandhas and whatnot,
    the quintessential aspect
    of boring Buddhism, the dream
    of meats grilled beyond consciousness,
    beyond any comprehension of attention,
    beyond anything with a name of form,
    nothing in particular, not Christmas,
    just what it is,
    what it was and will always be,
    letting the dog out to pee, for ever
    and ever, beyond no and never. Amen.

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    Quote Posted by another bob (here)
    Not to cast aspersions, but religion mostly is perversion.
    Two or three are always warring, but then take Buddhism –
    Buddhism is boring.
    Boredom is a mere modification of consciousness.
    Even "direct realization" is in consciousness.
    Consciousness is stressful (and boring).
    Hence, boredom can never amount to realization --
    not by inference, accident, or incident.
    If you think there is a "beyond consciousness",
    that thought is in consciousness.
    It's boring, like Buddhism.
    I like grilled meats, but
    I’m still a vegetarian. Auspiciously,
    the 5 aggregates are my playground.
    It’s a game of names with no players,
    so what’s in a name?
    We like it like that, maybe not.
    This manifesto has yet to be moderated.
    All things in moderation, please.
    If I were to really say it, nothing would change.
    That would be enough for direct introductions.
    There, I've said it!
    Who are these people in the dream?
    How fast they can fly when they've a mind for it!
    They grill meats in my supermarket parking lot --
    a captivating aroma, verging on multiple
    fender benders. Buddhism is just to stop.
    Shoppers, the only sin is to wake up.
    Compassion is simply to watch
    where you're going.
    It won't hurt anybody.
    Anybody is in consciousness.
    If you believe there is anybody beyond consciousness,
    that belief is in consciousness (and boring).
    Better to fly -- the world is alive
    with the sound of music.
    That is enough.
    Flying is extra.
    Music is extra.
    Just watch where you're going in consciousness:
    exactly nowhere -- flying through the dream,
    a dream in the supermarket parking lot
    of consciousness, alive
    to the music of grilled meats
    and fender benders.
    It is not Buddhist, not boring.
    Not greedy, angry, envious or deluded.
    Not an inference or direct realization.
    Not a conception nor perception.
    Nothing special.
    Nothing in particular, square, or circular.
    Everything is quiescently resting in moderation,
    right on the verge of extinction.
    Nirvana means extinction –
    it’s a favorite Christmas tune.
    For example, visit a Buddhist temple.
    Yes, just sit. Sit and sit
    in the fragrant snake pit.
    Be bored.
    Be bored for the sake
    of all grilled sentience.
    For the sake of grilled snakes,
    for goodness sake,
    all wrapped up in Buddhist robes,
    awaiting a Christmas that now can
    never come! Not fun!
    Real Compassion is not to lose
    your sense of humor, and so
    is never boring, never and always
    in consciousness, never actually
    stressful or moderated, just
    enjoying the parking a lot,
    the skandhas and whatnot,
    the quintessential aspect
    of boring Buddhism, the dream
    of meats grilled beyond consciousness,
    beyond any comprehension of attention,
    beyond anything with a name of form,
    nothing in particular, not Christmas,
    just what it is,
    what it was and will always be,
    letting the dog out to pee, for ever
    and ever, beyond no and never. Amen.


    Buddhism is wonderfully boring...meditation is a wonderful cool boringness.
    In that emptiness it can accommodate everything.

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    I would like to thank the virtual stalkers, as it reveals precisely to others how maras (demons) work, through the negative emotions! It really does help to see this in action.
    Practitioners get attacked, and this is so useful, as it sorts out if one is a pseudo-practitioner or not.

    In your heart you mean well, but the mind through fear cannot control its urge to destroy.
    It's all part of the journey up or down the path! Just be careful it does not backfire. We can chat privately if you wish.

    As one proceeds along the path, one has to expect testing.
    If one cannot smile at the virtual world, how is one going to cope with the dream world we live in, and the world after death?!

    All the best,
    Tony
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    Quote Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
    Just because someone decides to focus attention inwardly doesn't mean they can't also be of benefit in the outer world.

    I agree, Kathie and even if they are sitting all day in meditation or living in solitude, what is happening inwardly, is a benefit to the outer world but there may be inner ripening or maturing which needs to happen first before the compassion can be fully expressed outwardly.

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    Quote For example, visit a Buddhist temple.
    Yes, just sit. Sit and sit
    in the fragrant snake pit.
    Why so venomous, Bob? or am I misunderstanding your intent??

    Perhaps if I was sufficiently intelligent, I might actually understand what it is you are trying to say in this post...
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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    As one proceeds along the path, one has to expect testing. If one cannot smile at the virtual world,
    how is one going to cope with the dream world we live in, and the world after death.

    All the best,
    Tony
    Of course and the toughest trials in life are our ticket to where we begin.
    Jeanette

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    I wanted to wait till everyone had a chance to speak their mind and defend their beliefs, religion, doctrine or philosophy; whatever the preferred term is. As it happens, in a serious dialogue like this, we have to be mindful that we do not lose sight of what it is that we’re actually discussing and above all we do not let our emotioens get in the way.

    So what are we talking about? In my last post I made some comments to point out that I regarded Buddhism to be a religion and as you might expect some of its most esteemed apologists were at pains to deny this and set about defending it by availing upon us that it promises nothing; that there is no deity to worship; and cannot therefore be classed as a religion.

    Assuming that to be our focal point, I will set out to demonstrate that Buddhism is in fact a religion because it follows the same pattern as all the other religions. First, let’s define what a religion is before we bury ourselves in a game of semantics. I consider “fashion”, as an example, to be a religion. Why? Because it fits perfectly the formula all religions follow.

    This formula is simple and unmistakeable. It says: if you do x and y, you may hope to achieve z. Take a religion such as Christianity. You have to be baptised, go to church, pray to God, and many other things to be a Christian. Same with Islam; you have to visit Mecca, pray five times a day, fast during certain times of the year and other things in order to call yourself a true Moslem. Of course, the ultimate achievement at the end of it is that you may hope to enter the Kingdom of Heaven upon your departure from this life. So it’s not really just about worshiping a deity; that is just another x in the formula. It is about doing certain things in a certain manner, at certain times and at certain intervals in order to reach a certain goal.

    Whether that means dressing up in special robes, or wearing specific insignia, walking in a reverent manner, repeating mantras and incantations, sitting still, not eating flesh, putting on a dog collar, taking a vow of silence, wearing a hair shirt, reading holy books, refraining from sexual acts, giving up all your wealth, meditating, reciting passages from holy scripture… the list is endless… it all boils down to the same basic formula. Do x and y to become z.

    You may say that all our endeavours in life follow this pattern. For example you must go to college, study hard, and pass exams, to get a degree. So here now comes the crunch. What’s the difference? The difference is that the end goal, as well as the steps you have to take, is well defined. There is no mysticism. There is no magic. No divine utterance or phrase that means different things to different people.

    That is the great trick that religion plays on people who fall for its mesmerising charm. You may interpret it as it suits your own situation and mindset. It is open to so much subjective countenance that not even the masters or the gurus can agree on what Buddha meant. Let me show you what I mean by throwing out some phrases from the teachings of Buddha.

    Nibbana, for example, is the goal you’d be aiming to achieve if you do all the right things in Buddhism. It is defined (on one website anyway) thus:

    This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation;

    Does anyone seriously believe that it is possible for any human being to achieve this? And how do we know if we've achieved it? It reads like one of those performance appraisal guidelines that a company imposes on its employees that is not only difficult but impossible to reach and then measures them at the end of the year against how close to it they came. It is laughable. It actually adds to the suffering because you know it is never going to happen.

    Is it not simply another glaring example of being born sick and commanded by the gurus or gods to be well? How disturbed does one have to be to impose such things on unassuming human beings drawn to practices just oozing with peace and perfection? That of course, is the bate.

    Here is another, it’s called Jhana:

    Jhana is a meditative state of profound stillness and concentration in which the mind becomes fully immersed and absorbed in the chosen object of attention. It is the cornerstone in the development of Right Concentration.

    I admit that the tone of what is being uttered is hard to resist but then so is a Shakespeare play or a Beethoven sonata; yet we do not make a religion out of Midsummer Night’s Dream, do we?

    All of the above is not meant as an attack on people’s religions. It merely demonstrates that there are avenues other than spiritual teachings, unsubstantiated doctrines and religions. It’s called critical thinking that filters out sophistry and mysticism not necessarily because they have no value but because they are not, and never can be, well defined. I look with deep suspicion on anything that hides behind a cloud of nice phrases and flowery intentions. Buddhism is no exception.

    English, like any other language, has so much redundancy that you can put certain words together and they may sound so good and true and move you to tears. Unfortunately words are not the same as pigments or musical notes. When put together, they must mean pretty much the same thing to everyone otherwise we’re into sophistry, opinion and taste.

    By all means practice your religion in peace if it truly makes you happy. But do not be so presumptuous to think that it is the “true” religion, or the “only way”, or the “divine word of God”, or the “greatest knowledge” or the “messiah” or the “giver of light” or the “king of kings” and so forth.
    All these things are just ideals designed by man for man to evoke reverence and awe in man. If it were otherwise, the world would indeed be a different place.
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    Hello Bollinger,
    You have every right to your opinion, but you just saying how little you know about this subject.
    What I find difficult to understand is why people are so hostile to this post.

    I have never said it is the only way to live.
    This subject is so simple but so complex that I am just offering some sort of explanation,
    which will be difficult to find unless one goes to teachings.

    With all the problems in the world, I just cannot understand this attitude on the forum.

    Tony

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Hello Bollinger,
    You have every right to your opinion, but you just saying how little you know about this subject.
    What I find difficult to understand is why people are so hostile to this post.

    I have never said it is the only way to live.
    This subject is so simple but so complex that I am just offering some sort of explanation,
    which will be difficult to find unless one goes to teachings.

    With all the problems in the world, I just cannot understand this attitude on the forum.

    Tony
    Tony,

    There is no attitude and there is no hostility. There is a discussion. It is something that people who believe in a certain established tradition find it difficult to undertake because everything input and output goes through the same set of filters put in place by their particular brand of philosophy or religion, which in your case is Buddhism. We are not here to convert each other. This is not a fight or a competition and I wish you would stop seeing it that way. It is simply a discussion, not even an opinion really.

    You say I know little about the subject and try to use that as the disclaimer to your sparse reply. It is not necessary to spend 20 years learning about something in order to discount it. Naturally you have a huge bias because you have spent possibly a large part of your life investing time, effort and a great deal of thought into it and of course the further into the tunnel you go, the harder it is to get out.

    Neither did I wish to imply that you said Buddhism is the only way but for you it is something that is immensely valuable and precious. I am not saying that is a bad thing. It only becomes bad if you impose or force the religion upon others and you’re not doing that. However, it becomes very difficult to have a neutral discussion about pretty nearly everything because of those filters.

    If you’re taking it personally, I’m just saying there is no need to because certainly on my part it was never intended that way.


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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    I just cannot understand this attitude on the forum.

    Tony
    Yes you can. But I digress.
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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Buddhism in a nutshell, I give up.

    This is merely going round in petty circles.
    So from this moment, administrators would you please unsubscribe my account.

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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Buddhism is a nutshell, I give up.

    This is merely going round in petty circles.
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    Tony if one person gets it so to speak its worth while.
    Please think again.
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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Buddhism in a nutshell, I give up.

    This is merely going round in petty circles.
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    Tony,

    I don’t understand. I would apologise if I knew what I was apologising for. There really is no need to up and go just because of one discussion. You know from my previous posts that I do not subscribe to anything that even remotely resembles a religion for reasons given many times and in great detail.

    Can we not reach a mutual consensus that on some things we will not agree and perhaps on a great many others we will?

    Please reconsider.


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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Quote Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
    Quote For example, visit a Buddhist temple.
    Yes, just sit. Sit and sit
    in the fragrant snake pit.
    ....or am I misunderstanding your intent??
    Yes,the intent was solely humor to moisten the dry pedantics . . . as written: "real compasion is not to lose your sense of humor" -- taking oneself and one's views seriously is the real " Mara", the source of affliction. If that little nonsense piece threw some into a snit, well, there's a good mirror there for inspection, eh.


    Quote Perhaps if I was sufficiently intelligent, I might actually understand what it is you are trying to say in this post...
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