Hrmm, ok, had hot bath and I've sprayed two lots of magnesium oil over me, pain down from 9 to between 3 and 4. Awesome! Astounding stuff. NO codeine necessary on a night that ordinarily would have had me dosing up quite heavily. Am wrapped in a snuggly blanket, with my arms poking out like scarecrow sticks, so I'll discuss this while waiting for hot water bottle water to boil.Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Been trying not to go into what Lou Baldin has written about (in various venues) since I don't know if that other bob wants to follow through with his idea to take the topic to a private "group" or not. There is one thing I will mention in the meanwhile since it is not off-topic to what has already been discussed on the thread ... going astral.
He suggests that it is *totally impossible* for humans to go astral *without* the assistance (knowingly or not) from "aliens, ETs, offworlders ..." (whatever label suits your fancy).
What say you Patrons???
Ok, initially a couple of things: we're eseentially downloading our Selves into this avatar, in one way or another- for me, I sort of knew that as a kid, although I couldn't really express the idea, and then Bruce Lipton's work supported and explained the concept and biology. Part of my current change in focus is to more strongly connect with the upload/download mechanism, while working on expanding my own energetic experiences. So, in the case of astralling, it feels like *we* are essentially helping our Selves? I used to astral effortlessly as a kid and did not experience any of the distressing/frightening symptoms that I've read about in Jacob's book, for example; as a kid I astralled practically every night and felt a real sense of loss when I couldn't do it anymore.
I know this planet is in quarantine, so it makes sense that the assistance of the gatekeepers might be required to get beyond the borders, but I've never experienced needing or having that kind of intervention such as when I tune the water and make the jump; then again, I don't consider that a full astral experience either, so that may be no indicator. My guides don't consider this perspective of needing offworld assistance to astral correct, and it doesn't sit with my breathing either, so I don't consider it useful; why would Beings that are sui generis need the assistance of others to do things that are naturally part of the physical avatar experience?
To me personally, with absolutely no need on my part for any agreement from anyone else, this sounds like Anunnaki style 'you need us, inferior beings that you are' kind of falderol. I say this as one who experiences my Self as a creator, who is on the path to being a Creator, and I don't get into the external authority/heteronomy thing at all. There's no sui generis in 'you can't get to where you want to go unless we help you', so I'll be looking for other doors; I am totally up for assistance and eduction, not at all into absolute dependence.
For what it's worth.