Welcome to The Pub At the End of the Universe.

[onawah]

Songs, you wrote:

...a mass uncloaking would most likely only prompt more global hysteria and unite the tribes briefly in an allout nuclear or biological war. While this would no doubt serve the anunnaki remnant controllers, in the case of the evolution that's not such a great scenario, and it's always been about supporting the possibility of evolution within both the anunnaki and homo sapiens species. There's no longer any support for that project, it's considered that what's done is now done and the collective energy is withdrawing and preparing to support Gaia in whichever way zhe decides to jump. I've said here before, wherever zhe goes the Otherkind and Starkind will go too- if it turns out that the decision is made to shift dimension, this one is going to be left with enough signal to sustain it at its current level and then all the energy that has been holding the signal for the evolution will be leaving. They'll have exactly what they've been demanding- their house will be abandoned to them and they can do with it what they will. If this means they devolve back to their original form the process won't take long- think of the creatures from 28 Days Later and you'll have a general idea, so nothing is going to survive that for long, and then they'll die from having nothing to feed on, just like their makers. That's the likeliest scenario. Then it will be a matter of allowing the virus to die out of the energetic signal (which it will without any carriers) and then the option to rehabilitate and restore this planetary avatar will be in the possibility field.

Is what you are describing here two separate Earths/parallel realities, then, splitting off from each other, one in 3D and one in a higher frequency, or are you saying that Gaia may be leaving this avatar and going to inhabit a different planet that is not already inhabited with a sentient being like herself, taking the Starkind and Otherkind with her who choose to make the journey?
Who do you think would restore the abandoned avatar once the remaining population has destroyed itself?

can you honestly see a positive outcome happening with differences in species? The film District 9 explored this one well, methinks...
Bottom line: offworlders and Otherkind are no longer prepared to die for homo sapiens. No more sacrifices for a possibility that has now run its course. Now, it's time for packing up the show and seeing who goes where.

Well, many of our most knowledgable whistleblowers like Bob Dean seem to concur with many of the psychics, channelers, life regressionists, etc. who say that Earth is very unique among planets in that there are representatives of so many different genomes here from other ET races. So it's become a bit complicated, and more difficult to say really who is home sapien and who is not, because it's such a melting pot here and has been for a long time.
The theory I've been resonating most with is that those who cannot deal with a completely new paradigm free of "isms", religion, war, pollution, competition, etc. and who are not ready for ET/ED presence here, will no longer be able to survive here, and will incarnate on other planets that will give them further opportunities for evolution in 3D.

One theory is that souls that are simply incapable of evolution eventually get recycled--their spark of pure consciousness loses its individuality and is reabsorbed into the greater field of Consciousness, though hopefully, as you say, the process is swift, since it can't be pleasant.

I think it's quite possible that there are beings/bodhisattvas at very high levels which are pure compassion, and their playing field is one in which they dream up and apply skillful means for helping lesser consciousnesses evolve.
Like the healers who helped you to recover after your encounter with the Annunaki.

Beings at levels higher than 3D but not as high as the bodhisattvas are apparently free to enjoy, play and create for a very long time, but eventually may become restless and bored even with that.
The Law of One says that it becomes difficult to progress into higher dimensions quickly without sometimes descending to lower levels to assist, which has the tendency to bring about more rapid evolution. So the choice is there to linger for a long time in the playing fields, or help out in the nursery so that one may progress more quickly into the higher levels.
That resonates with me, perhaps because I have met some really compassionate beings, both in form and without form.
Fortunately, the development of greater and greater capacity for Compassion makes this less than tedious and actually enjoyable, though I can understand why you are feeling tedium now on this planet, which certainly does seem long overdue for a big leap upwards.
A lot of people are certainly feeling that too, myself included.
I think those of us who have been here for a long time, working towards that big leap have the feeling we have paid our dues and the leap needs to come sooner than soon.
The resistance is becoming intolerable, but that could also mean that things will be quickening and moving faster toward the leap, rather than the opposite.

I think the self-sacrifice game is winding up too, and progress will be made not by the psychopaths making more martyrs out of us, but by the higher frequencies creating an environment where work and play become as one, and there is cooperation in making the paradigm here sustainable and harmonious, which will be a joyous process, as those remaining here will all be lovers of Nature.

I don't think there will be any mass Disclosure before there has been a mass migration out of here of souls who are not equipped to deal with that peacefully and with a welcoming attitude towards ETs.

But I will not argue about who's right or wrong in their theories. Ours aren't all that different, in any case.
I've engaged in the "channeling war" too, and it got old really fast.
I'm amazed at how long it has been going on here on PA!
I am not a devotee of any channeler or a staunch "believer" in any particular theory, but I go with what resonates and am open to revision as needed.
I did engage in the channeling war for a time because I was dismayed by the growing number of GFL posts that were filling up the forum, and so I began to question the source of all those messages and their validity.
I support anyone's free will decision to read those messages, but I had an objection to Avalon being diverted from its original mission, and it felt to me like there was a movement toward taking it over by GFL proponents, silencing any voices of dissent.
Eventually, the person who was responsible for most of the GLF posts stopped, though there is still a big debate going on, obviously.
Which I hope will burn itself out in time, as there are so many more interesting things to discuss!
Fortunately, others have taken up the gauntlet, and I don't feel obliged anymore to help keep the PA boundaries intact.

At the same time, I continue to read and consider channeled messages that seem to have some truth to them and have a vibe I can deal with, such as Suzy Ward, Tyberonn ( whose descriptions of the history of Atlantis, the role of crystals in forming the old and the new grid I find really fascinating) and some of the channelers or psychics who just deal very helpfully, IMHO, with psychological effects of the Shift that many of us are feeling.

Your theories about the Annunaki are very interesting.
Where do you think the Liliths got the Starkind DNA from, which they used to splice into their own genetics?
Do you think Abraham and his descendants as described in the Bible, Sitchin and Sir Lawrence Gardner's works were part of that rebellion against the Annunaki?
After reading most of Sitchin's books and much of Gardner's work, that seemed to me to be the logical conclusion.
Though it seems they were hindered every step of the way by the bloodline of the Annunaki and their puppets, even to the present day.

Though they were a mix of Starkind and Annunaki, their Starkind genetics evolved them into beings that would not tolerate the domination of the Annunaki or their parasitical ways.
Presumably, they bred with homo sapiens as well as their own kind, and helped improve those genetics, but were neither homo sapien nor Annunaki, nor purely Starkind, and the "melting pot" just got more diverse as other Starkind continued to incarnate here, mutating the genome with their particular energy signatures.
It seems likely to me that the differences in the various races of Earth are proof of these various ETs races bringing their genetics here.

Do you think the intermingling of the Starkind genetics with the homo sapien can result in a more evolved homo sapien genome eventually, with the addition of higher frequencies to the recipe?
It sounds more like you think homo sapien is just a failed experiment.
I wonder though if the Starkind, EDs, etc. would have been putting so much time and energy into this Earth experiment if it had been doomed all along.
I like to think they have more farsight than that.

In the Michael Teachings, there is a whole theory about the evolution of planets, and according to that, Earth is graduating now to the next level and will not for much longer be a school for younger souls.
This parallels the theory about rising frequencies, just expresses it in a different way.
The Teachings describe the evolution of individual souls as well, and soul groups and how the soul groups break down into individual souls which begin life on this planet as nature spirits or devas, then progress to human.
Many cycles are spent in human consciousness, progressing from the level of Infant soul, to Baby to Young to Mature to Old, and then the individual souls regroup into the monad of that soul, which is the product of all that souls incarnations, and then the monads of the whole soul group coalesce into a single individual, which may choose to become what the Teachings call a Cosmic soul, I think it is, and then after many cycles as a Cosmic soul, into a Universal Soul.
These express themselves as Avatars in the old sense of the word, those Bodhisattvic souls which have great powers and can help to raise the consciousness of many.
The other choice, presumably, is to cycle up into the higher, more blissful playing fields.

Of course, the way this is all laid out in the Teachings make the process look so orderly, when obviously there is much more chaos and diversity in the way that individuals, groups, races, planets evolve, as evinced on Earth.

There are a lot of people working with the Michael Teachings system tracking their individual, personal growth and I think there is a lot of validity in the basic premises.
Though it gets a bit technical for me, and I prefer to continue exploring the larger picture.

Thanks for explaining what you meant by the term "Annu".
Would you care to expound on what the difference is between Starkind and Otherkind.
Please excuse if I am asking you to repeat yourself.
I have gone back and started reading the Pub thread from the beginning, but it's slow going, and I am only up to page 28 so far.
It's amazing to me this thread is so young still, only started on the 12th of March.
Such a lot of territory has been covered since then!
I still like the Pub playing field, but I'm glad we've gotten down to some serious business too.
Thanks again for chatting!

[onawah]

Songs wrote:

High frequencies are scientifically proven to destroy parasitic life forms in their various expressions. I posted about this on the forum, before I created the Pub, I think: basically, I was surfing through the otherrealms and having conversations with some interesting Beings regarding the best way to dissolve the virus. I got the information regarding high frequencies; when I came back to this realm I decided to google it and see if there was anything corresponding to this in the science here. The first hit was an article regarding a father/son team that was using high frequencies to destroy viruses within the cells without harming the cells themselves. This was a flow on from their interest in the works of an individual in the 1920's that was curing cancer with frequency. I currently wear a variation of one of those frequency machines 24/7 to get rid of the excess cortisol in my system due to being continuously adrenaline fried; the difference has been profound. We're next tweaking the frequency to support my thyroid and heart, to heal the damage done there; after that, I'm going deep diving with some embodied offworlders here so that we can tune it to my otherkind genetics and get through the virus contracts that way, while I take on the dissolving in the energetic contract area. The machine means I'm not diverting my consciousness energy to do something on a physical level that a simple handsized device can do for me.

You are referring to Rife's technology here, yes?
Can you give a link for the device you have? Thanks.
I know there have been devices made based on his work, but didn't know if any of them are doing what they were actually supposed to do.
There are computer programs now that are doing similar things.
A friend of mine had one for awhile.
She thought it worked well, but it required a lot of technical expertise and was cost prohibitive.
It has sensors that can be used to embed into a massage table so the client is receiving healing frequencies while being massaged, and also sensors that directly attach to the client.
I experienced it a few times, and it felt quite lovely.

Songs wrote:

There are many religious, spiritual and traditional texts that point to an increase in the aggressive behaviour of animals due to the dissonant aggravation of the increasing low vibration signal towards the time of the shift. This low vibration signal has been around for a very long time. There are also species that are the result of lab experiments rather than the art of Gaia. As far as I see it, what will happen in terms of the shifting signal is what's going to happen. It makes sense that the behaviour of certain animal kinds will also shift as the frequency does- some will not be able to make the jump because their biology and natures aren't geared for that kind of evolution. The dinosaurs died out for the same reason and Jurassic Park pointed out that this is actually a Good Thing.

Suzy Ward also says that long ago, the frequencies on Earth were higher and it was the lowering of frequencies by negatively oriented ETs coming here and incarnating here which brought about the aggression and carnivorous behavior in our current predators.
Tyberonn goes into some detail in his messages about the experiments that those who sided with the Dark before the demise of Atlantis engaged in, creating chimeras for use as slaves and just for their own depraved amusement. Obviously, after the Fall of Atlantis, the frequencies were again debased, which led to more aggression in humankind and animals as well, no doubt.
He described the main city before the Fall being home to various humanoids (including Pleiadieans, Sirians and Andormedans) living in different frequencies, but able to interact with each other on various levels in a beneficially mutual, interdependent society.
I envision that happening again, and Tyberonn predicts that something like that will develop over time, though he says it will take a couple of centuries.
He says that some of the technologies are still here, as they were preserved from destruction and relocated to safe hiding places underground by the Atlanteans still in service to the Light, and some of them are being reactivated in stages now.
Dr. Semir Osmanagich, one of the frequent presenters at Tyberonn's events, has been excavating the Bosnian Pyramid complex, and is uncovering some of the secrets of how the pyramids were used as energy sources. You can see more about his work at this thread, if you haven't already at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...osnian+pyramid
(It used to be sticky thread, but it's been moved to General Discussion now, so is a little harder to find. I notice that TruthSeekerDan, who has been working with Dr Semir at the site, hasn't posted for awhile, though hopefully he will again. It's been a most fascinating thread. I saw Dr. Semir speak in Little Rock at the 12:12:12 event, and just experiencing his presence was an education in itself, actually a kind of Contact experience, I felt, though he was born on Earth)

I wrote:

And to have open Contact on the planet with advanced ET/ED races will certainly be wonderful. That's clearly been happening already on many levels, and will surely only continue to escalate

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Songs replied:

I did come across an Alfred Adask book and I read a little of it: I had to put it down because I couldn't for the life of me figure out why offworlders would wear such twee clothing and speak such banal stuff. I considered that they *may* have been a group with a very Douglas Adams sense of humour, which made sense to me- then I considered that this may explain who Douglas Adams actually was, one of that crew. It's given me many hours of amusement and led to some interesting conversations with equally bent humoured offworlders...

Alfred Adask is a Constitutionalist. See:
http://adask.wordpress.com/
I think you meant to write George Adamski's name, not Alfred Adask's.
I included Adamski's photo in the recent post you are responding to. He was a Contactee, one of the first to go public with his experiences in recent times. See:
http://www.adamskifoundation.com/html/AboutGA.htm
Just wanted to clear that up, so others reading this aren't confused by it.

[onawah]

On the subject of "God" Songs wrote:

Huh. something in another thread has really bugged me, it seems- continued references to the christian god as being a good guy and power have apparently irritated my deeply and it's energetically leaking out in my writing. It seems what I'm truly feeling is an utter, profound and absolute 'I'M OVER IT NOW, CAN WE DO SOMETHING ELSE?' about the whole global farce. It's gone to beyond boring, and yet there's a part of me that's aware the remnant anunnaki systems want to take everything down to the last nanosecond. I get this from the anunnaki as evolutionary catalyst perspective *and* the whole thing is tedious now- I've never liked homo sapiens even though I was willing to be a part of those holding the space for them to evolve, accepting the personal cost that came with this endeavour, yet now that the decision of 'no more' has been made I find my Self impatient and restless, eager to immerse my Self in the physical Otherrealms again and do interesting things, compared to this endless recursion. The leaking energy wasn't aimed at you or anyone else, to be clear: I'm lonely here, profoundly lonely, and I'm frankly tired of having dreams that show me I'm going to get shot at for talking publicly about the sui generis. I like the outcome of being shot at, that's lots of fun- it's just knowing that fundamental stupidity is the default position for so many is tedious.

and:
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.I did look at the site and tried a few 'transmissions' and I couldn't keep going- as soon as any start talking about 'god' my mind goes fuzzy and I get the glazed look in my eyes that make reading impossible. I've met some cosmic level Creators; they're utterly sui generis and not at all into heteronomy. I have found that in the 'walk in' world, there's so much 'god' stuff that I can feel my horns itching to grow then and there, which isn't going to go down well with that crew. The way I figure it is, this is all part of the sui generis unfolding in the 'choose your universe!' way- and I long ago put my hand up for a Creator based rather than god based multiverse. In saying 'Creator', I'm referring to something *vastly* different from the standard interpretation of this and am using the actual meaning of the word: "one that creates usually by bringing something new or original into being; " *without* all the loading that this word brings with it when we're talking Creator on a cosmic scale. For some odd reason, the conflation that goes along with creation here seems to be upscaled to cosmic level in the human interpretations- gee, I wonder why that is..so mmm, anything advocating anything less than universal siu generis, I kind of get bored kid in the back of the class with...
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I am getting to that bored place myself, so tired of sifting and sorting, looking for other voices that speak at least in some part in a language I can understand and feel some resonance with, but compromise is still adhered to so much since the penalties for bringing in too pure a frequency can still be fatal at worst, or perhaps incomprehensible at best.
There is comfort for me in the company of my soul group, but none of them seem to be here where I am.
I think I am here to hold the Light for this area in space for a while longer, then hopefully I can rejoin them, or perhaps some of them will join me...

As for others holding the Light, while some are infinitely patient, some, are firing at all levels, taking risks, itching for the next step...
Others are kind and gentle with the Mother's touch, some are brutally honest, like a surgeon's knife.
Some feel like they can't wait another moment, and cannot discount the possibility they are already beginning to falter, unless something changes very soon.
I can feel and operate from all those places myself at different times.

There was a time when the word "God" had nothing but a discordant resonance for me.
Too many associations from childhood religious programming of a jealous, punishing toxic Father figure.
Later... even more outraged misogynist associations with the word as I became more and more in love with the Divine Feminine Goddess frequencies.
And later yet, a kind of benumbed revelatory state when the godlike roles the Annunaki pretended to in certain chapters in Earth history became clear to me.

But eventually, the word has become less loaded for me, as I've began to think of God as I think the word is being used again in certain circles, a vast spirit that truly is in service to our Universe and which is connected to all that lives within the Universe, which is the indwelling spirit of the Universe itself, and feels all, sees all, but cannot act except through the beings that inhabit this Universe.
"Creator" for me, signifies the much vaster Being that created all the Multiverse, to whom all the Gods of all the Universes are but partial expressions, but which expresses all the aspects of the Gods/Goddesses the Hindus use to describe that being, including of course, Creator, Sustainer and Destroyer.
Perhaps the Gods of the Universes are evolving through their own process to eventually join again with Creator.
I feel that is likely.
But words only signify that meaning which we choose to attach to them, and we may all choose differently here, as in all things.

I do not resonate with all the messages on the BlueStar site either, and have to sift through there as well.
The two walk-ins I mentioned claim they are a Pleiadian and an Andromedan spirit, and BlueStar the Pleiadian, the father figure for Celeste, is a Pleiadian, obviously, who claims he has recently become a walk-in on Earth as well.
I cannot testify to the truth or accuracy of all the messages, or indeed, any of them, but I was attracted to it I think because of the compassion I feel coming from those three, though not necessarily from all of the messages that come through them.
They are having a hard time being here too, obviously a common problem among walk-ins from higher levels, and all others operating at a higher level than the predominant frequency here on Earth now, but hopefully, that situation will soon reverse itself, and it will be the ones who cannot bear the higher frequencies who will be leaving, leaving those of us here who love Gaia.
I would like to see Gaia's avatar returned to a pristine state without having to be relinquished first to those immature or hopelessly regressive souls who are indifferent to her wellbeing, even if it takes longer and requires yet more patience from those who are here to help bring that about asap.
No easy task, certainly, in the face of all that needs to be reversed and healed.
But if that will be the case, I cannot say; it is only one that I hope for and work towards...

To be operating from a place of Love, rather than a place of fascination, is something I feel many of us need to be careful of.
According to Dr. Hills theory of Nuclear Evolution, intuition is the place where fascination may become the pitfall.
It can be a state of constantly fluctuating from the present to the imagined future and then back again, in conflict with those who prefer the past as well as those who live in the NOW, and battling with a self-created block to the next level of the Imagination, a much more purely and ruthlessly creative, less relativistic space, where one lives in the Now, which is not past, present or future, but all in one, as Time is seen for the construct that it is.

[songsfortheotherkind]

I think you meant to write George Adamski's name, not Alfred Adask's.

I did mean to write George's name, not Alfred's. I have come across one of George's books- the rest of my response is in relation to my experience of George's book.

I'll reply to the rest of your comment when I'm fully awake.

[songsfortheotherkind]

I would like to make something really clear here: everything that I write about in terms of the Anun histories, the anunnaki, how I experience the multiverse, this universe and this planet, my relationships with Otherkind in all their various singularity forms, sui generis and everything else doesn't come from outside of me, it is actually what is in me, what I remember, how I orient to the multiverse, what I've personally experienced, intuited, remembered and, in the case of the sui generis language and perspective I'm working on, in some ways created.

I get that there are many out there with various perspectives and information. What I am truly interested in is the personal , singularity perspective of those that I come into contact with, because the sui generis is all about the *singularity* and what richness that has brought with it. I don't often reference the works and perspectives of others because in all honesty I'm utterly absorbed in following my own signal and relationships. I am for holding the space for *all* Beings here in this realm and who are up for it to step into whatever path they're up for regardless of how impossible or outrageous they might think that to be, because of the stories abounding here in this paradigm about what can or cannot happen, what is and isn't possible.

I know there are Beings both here in the Pub and elsewhere who experience their Self and perspective as something too whatever to express: I would like to say that I utterly, absolutely and unequivocally do not have any issues with whatever perspective another individual has, provided they are not expecting me to *embrace it as my own*. This Pub expression is an ongoing research and development space for working out the nuts and bolts of *how to hold the space for absolute sui generis, the space where *all* signals can meet without the pressure or desire for homogeny. To this end, I keep sending out the invitation and the call- tell me *your* singularity perspective. Tell me about the universe you inhabit and how you see things and let us explore how it is that all these different universes work together, what is necessary in order for all of these to co-create together.

Is it enough that we simply *do* experience things differently? Is the multiverse an inbuilt functionality of the Being so that we can have these without having to have an endlessly unfolding platform of physical or energetic universes? For instance, on the Freewill thread in the Spirituality forum, there is an exploration going on that involves Beings of very different perspectives: some of these have a very very clear and personal perspective and, more importantly, experience involving a god Being and an association with what is often referred to as christ consciousness, or with the one called christ in whatever experience that takes.

Personally, *in my 'Verse* the bible is an anunnaki and Anun document and that what is being discussed in it in part is the anunnaki histories, the virus, heteronomy, control, domination and homogeny. I have a very clear experience of this. The thing is, it doesn't matter to me that others have a different experience- I don't need to argue it with them. I know I can have co-creation with them to the extent that our differing views allow; in some cases, this may be quite extensive and in other cases not at all. I am honest when I say that I don't really pay much attention to external authorities in many areas of interest at all: my relationship with my offworld and Otherkind family/guides is that we are in a dialogue of *exploration* rather than me being 'told' and faithfully passing on whatever it is that I'm being told, which is, as I understand it, what certain realms of channeling are about. This is utterly not what happens with me at all, ever: I'm a sui generis Being, *everything* goes through that internal filter, even the things that I'm being shown in the otherrealms by Creators. I don't buy anything that doesn't sit with my internal compass and I champion that all Beings do the same thing.

I share what I do about my realms because it's my Art, it's the expression of *my* sui generis, not because I'm looking to create some kind of consensus reality that precludes anyone else's Art and experience. Some Art I resonate to; gods aren't part of this, *and* that's ok- I can talk with individuals who believe in god/s, sure, up to the point where they speak about their perspective as if it encompasses *my* experience also. In this, I'm very Erik the Viking with the christian priest, who knew that his perspective was his own and they vikings would tolerate it to a point, which was moving from the 'I' language to conversion or intrusion.

This is one of the frequencies that currently, most Beings have *no clue* how to really embrace, including me- I struggle with the expression of my own nature and biology all the time, with sometimes *very* pear shaped results: I'm a succubus in a world of non-Cubus Beings and sometimes the resultant starvation can drive me into episodes of banshee like behaviour because I still don't have a handle on how to do succubus here; I flounder with language, with concepts, with the noise and worlds of goo that the contracts and Monsanto claims on my biology create, with living into this space that I'm so passionate about. Everything I do is me bumbling my way through a way of Being that I'm being shown conceptually but not in nuts and bolts terms.

What I've realised is that there's not much conversation going on about sui generis expression in the day to day realm and that's where I'm going more with my conversations and writing. I have very specific experiences around the Otherkind histories that absolutely link to my experience of the evolution signal; it's this I am going to explore more, as well as doing a Minority Report style diving into the nuts and bolts frequency, pulling out a chunk of the signal and really getting into it so that I can catch where the signal is carrying virus and dissolve it. I want to dive beneath the virus itself and go straight to the blueprint, bring *that* back up so that we can use a map that isn't loaded with worlds of WTF?



Yes- it is true, I am looking for an experience that doesn't require much of the above.

I can't put my finger on what exactly it is that I'm sensing or seeing, yet I'm aware that it's there in the space so I'm going to hold onto my sui generis *more* and write/create from there. I don't know what exactly it is that's sliding through the rooms here at the Pub *and* I do know that with as many watchers, intuitives, fire eyes and Others of all kinds as we have here, it will come to light soon enough: it's a creeping, draining of energy kind of thing, a subtle wasteland. Sui generis has passion and Life- this signal, has none of that.

So, my fellow Publians, perhaps the best response is a sui generiously passionate one, no? *bounces* Let's see what happens next...

[onawah]

I think you've made yourself really clear about all the above (in post 3506), Songs, and always have on this thread, in fact.
I get it, but I think I have even more of the same problems that you do in this regard:

This is one of the frequencies that currently, most Beings have *no clue* how to really embrace, including me- I struggle with the expression of my own nature and biology all the time, with sometimes *very* pear shaped results: I flounder with language, with concepts, with the noise and worlds of goo that the contracts and Monsanto claims on my biology create, with living into this space that I'm so passionate about. Everything I do is me bumbling my way through a way of Being that I'm being shown conceptually but not in nuts and bolts terms.

(I omitted the part about the sucubus because although I think I've also experienced that at times in my life, I'm pretty much cancelling that program as best I can, and it doesn't have much to do with what I'm interested in now.
I make do with spending time in Nature and eating as much in the way of live foods as I can,which gives me enough to sustain myself energetically, though occasionally I do still like to draw on the energy of a lively gathering.)

What I would really like is to know more about what your direct experience, knowledge and memories are of the Annunaki, Anun, Starkind and Otherkind.
One of the missions I seem to have come into this incarnation with is to trace and understand the history of my soul group, many of whom have been on the planet at least since the beginnings of Atlantis, as far as I can determine, and to understand the ways the whole planet has been affected by the Annunaki,the Anun, and what the origins of our connections are with Starkind and our present and future involvement with them..
(I'm still not sure I understand what you mean by Otherkind, but I would like to know more.)
Much of what I know has not come from direct knowledge, but from gathering as much info as I can from other sources.
When I find sources that I feel are in touch with something real, I can more easily tune into what feels relevant to what I am researching, and that seems to catalyze my ability to then identify more missing pieces of the puzzle that help give me a fuller picture.
I think I would probably be good at remote viewing and that sort of thing if I were trained in it, but that opportunity has not come about as yet, so I'm using the internet to explore subjects that I would like to remote view, and from there, tuning more into my own direct knowingness.

Because my own signal has been so subverted in this lifetime from battles with partial possession to injection with live monkey viruses via a contaminated polio vaccine, very negative after effects of an extremely powerful LSD trip, to a NDE and a concussion that have left me with physical disabilities and a very different perspective and way of running energy through my being than most people.
Last but not least, separation from my loved ones, and a reclusive life style that gets very lonely, something you obviously experience as well and understand.
On the positive side, I've had direct contact with higher dimensional beings, amazing experiences with animal totems that helped me tremendously in charting my path through life, wonderful connections with soul group members, lots of wonderful teachers who added to my knowledge of so many things.
So what I am doing is sharing some of my experience with you and others on this thread, in hopes that providing some context as to who I am may help in finding further communication pathways that are beneficial to this thread , and perhaps will encourage others to find a way to chart their own way into this relatively uncharted exploration of sui generis, what that means to each of us, how we have struggled to arrive here at the threshold of this absorbing subject and how we can embrace it.

Songs wrote:

This is one of the frequencies that currently, most Beings have *no clue* how to really embrace, including me- I struggle with the expression of my own nature and biology all the time, with sometimes *very* pear shaped results: I'm a succubus in a world of non-Cubus Beings and sometimes the resultant starvation can drive me into episodes of banshee like behaviour because I still don't have a handle on how to do succubus here; I flounder with language, with concepts, with the noise and worlds of goo that the contracts and Monsanto claims on my biology create, with living into this space that I'm so passionate about. Everything I do is me bumbling my way through a way of Being that I'm being shown conceptually but not in nuts and bolts terms.

The source of this feeling may be what many have felt on Avalon for a long time, carriers both conscious and unconscious of the virus whose task it is to muck up the lines of communication with as much goo as possible of various kinds.
Though I think that has been avoided for the most part on this thread, that is certainly not true of Avalon in general.
Or it may just be the virus that all we Publians are trying to kick out of our own systems.
I come face to face with my own strains of it every time I post on this thread and usually end up feeling less than genuine when my words fail so much in expressing who I really feel myself to be, but I am doing the best I can to find a way into the thread that will best offer what I have to share here, not even sure if what I am sharing is appropriate.
Perhaps the forum is not really the best place for this discussion.
Or perhaps we just aren't ready yet to really get into the subject matter that might best help us to understand who we really are, where we've been and where we're going.
The spirit of fun and play on this thread has been much to be grateful for in and of itself, I would say, but I for one, have high hopes this thread will continue to evolve and grow. I think it's off to a tremendous start.

But inasmuch as many have expressed a desire to hear more of what you know, Songs, about the Annuanki, Anun, Starkind and Otherkind, it feels safe to me at least to hope that we can hear more about that from you, and I would think that the virus won't find those subjects so irresistible a target that it won't allow that to happen.
Do you feel like going there?
Is it something you want to write about here, or do you feel those subjects are better suited to your film making?
Perhaps this could be a good venue for laying the groundwork for the film?

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
Is what you are describing here two separate Earths/parallel realities, then, splitting off from each other, one in 3D and one in a higher frequency, or are you saying that Gaia may be leaving this avatar and going to inhabit a different planet that is not already inhabited with a sentient being like herself, taking the Starkind and Otherkind with her who choose to make the journey?

I can only reiterate my own experiences of being in the multiverse simultaneously. I know that either of these scenarios- as well as other possibilities that haven't even been discussed because they're so outside the scope of the experience here- are possible. What I *am* personally aware of are the discussions that I've been a part of that directly consider the practicalities that I've spoken about regarding moving 7 billion somewhere else to do their own thing, or of those carriers of the evolution frequencies going somewhere else. The sui generis aspect of the discussions are the elements that I personally am absorbed by: I love seeing the sui generis in deep expression, so I'm not really caught up so much in the nuts and bolts of whatever.

As far as Gaia walking in to another planetary avatar, she already has connection with many of them: this is one of the things I've been trying to explain about walking in- one doesn't just stroll through the gates of Mordor and one cannot walk in to an avatar that one doesn't have a prior signal connection to either. Bruce Lipton's work in this area has been really useful for giving me a descriptive platform from which I can discuss this: he demonstrated that the signal of the Being is downloading into the avatar from outside the physical and that it is the unique frequency of that signal that tells teh body what belongs to it and what doesn't. This is the foundation of the transplant rejection that needs to be controlled and why blood is not about a 'type', because individuals can react to the right blood type because they're allergic to something in teh other individual's blood. It's just not possible to walk in to an avatar that isn't remotely connected to one's own signal: I shared the space of this avatar with another being until 2002, for various reasons (some of which are only recently coming to light) and even then I had major issues because it was an abrupt transfer of primary downloading from her to me. The only two ways to walk in *without* creating a major schism in the avatar are being aligned with it already, creating a process of agreement and realigning with the Being whose avatar it is (and this takes time)- anything else is without sui generis and creates a lot of upheaval and dis-ease in the physical.

Gaia's avatar is a giant gateway, stargate, interdimensional portal; she's covered in vibrational gateways and zhur abilities are phenomenal. Zhe is entirely capable of jumping zhur entire avatar, translocation style, to another place in the multiverse *and* this has it's own issues and difficulties when we're talking that kind of translocation- the balancing act required with inserting a planetary avatar into a new orbit and solar system's delicate dance is like cutting in on an intimate conversation and it's not something done lightly. This is one of the reasons the planetary avatars were created interlinked- and it's one of the reasons so many different Beings became involved in the quarantine and the creation of the Veil between dimensions here: there was absolutely no way the anunnaki were going to be permitted to spread across the multiverse. It's one of the reasons so many sci-fi stories deal with the idea of a race that spreads itself across the universe- the anunnaki have never been permitted to leave here. 'Do no harm' means just that and there were limits to which this was going to be allowed to go. One of the big questions at the time was 'how do we *set* those limits, what *are* our limits?' and the answers to this coalesced over time, as it does with any Being struggling to determine what is right for *them* in the face of the actions of another. Gaia is already intimately linked with a vast number of planetary avatars all across the multiverse that share zhur unique signal, just as I have expressed that I have walked in to other expressions of 'me' in other dimensions. To me personally, it's a pretty easy concept to get my head around because I've actually experienced it. The vibrational shifting interdimensionally, that one takes a whole lot more energy, purpose, intention and focus to create: while I'm not au fait with the actual maths involved, I can say it would be energetically interesting to do.

Ultimately, Gaia will choose whatever is perfect for *zhur own* evolution and that will be exactly what's right for those that are choosing to go with her.

Who do you think would restore the abandoned avatar once the remaining population has destroyed itself?

*grins* I said their house (their construct) is abandoned to them, I didn't say they were getting the avatar- once they pass off the face of it and enough time has passed for the virus to also have died, some of those that initially left will choose to come back and do the rehabilitation and rejuvenation work. Regardless of where Gaia chooses to go or what she does, this is and always will be zhur avatar, no one else's, unless she chooses to align things that way. Always, agreement creates possibilities...

Well, many of our most knowledgable whistleblowers like Bob Dean seem to concur with many of the psychics, channelers, life regressionists, etc. who say that Earth is very unique among planets in that there are representatives of so many different genomes here from other ET races. So it's become a bit complicated, and more difficult to say really who is home sapien and who is not, because it's such a melting pot here and has been for a long time.

I have never read Bob Dean or anyone else's words so I cannot comment on it- everything that I communicate comes from my sui generis and experience in both this and the otherrealms. I have expressed here in other writing the hybridisation that has happened and the reason why; I've also expressed the multiversal University and gate way vision that started the creation of this whole planetary avatar. I wrote about the 'sliding scale' of hybridisation and how individuals move themselves in and out of that frequency depending on a number of factors, so for me it's really quite easy to see energetically who is homo sapien and who carries stronger Otherkind/Offworld signal. The hybridisation has been part of the evolution expressing its Self, as I see it.

The theory I've been resonating most with is that those who cannot deal with a completely new paradigm free of "isms", religion, war, pollution, competition, etc. and who are not ready for ET/ED presence here, will no longer be able to survive here, and will incarnate on other planets that will give them further opportunities for evolution in 3D.

I've experienced the Evolution consciousness as being reluctant to destroy one of its creations if it doesn't have to, because a huge amount of energy and effort goes in to creating each life form and singularity: it thus makes sense that frequency would look for solutions that don't require total reboots. The signal doesn't get fully recycled until-

One theory is that souls that are simply incapable of evolution eventually get recycled--their spark of pure consciousness loses its individuality and is reabsorbed into the greater field of Consciousness, though hopefully, as you say, the process is swift, since it can't be pleasant.

Yup, which is why I find the constant exhortation and discussion regarding returning to 'source' so eyebrow raising. The field of Consciousness is, to me, what I refer to as the sea of possibility, an energy source where all things are possible but nothing happens until something is chosen. The act of choice, choosing something, shifts energy out of this space and upwards into greater manifestation and cohesion.

I think it's quite possible that there are beings/bodhisattvas at very high levels which are pure compassion, and their playing field is one in which they dream up and apply skillful means for helping lesser consciousnesses evolve.

I don't really understand or resonate to the word 'compassion'- it's one of those blurry ones that have been too contorted for me to get a clear picture as to what is meant. I also find the idea of external forces 'skillfully' steering others in any direction in direct contradiction to the sui generis

Like the healers who helped you to recover after your encounter with the Annunaki.

What I was helped to process was the experience of death: in all my existence, I'd never experienced the abrupt termination from the avatar like that. It was barbaric and horrendous beyond description. This is one of the reasons I absolutely reject the notion that death is 'natural', because I know, through personal experience, that it is not.

Beings at levels higher than 3D but not as high as the bodhisattvas are apparently free to enjoy, play and create for a very long time, but eventually may become restless and bored even with that.
The Law of One says that it becomes difficult to progress into higher dimensions quickly without sometimes descending to lower levels to assist, which has the tendency to bring about more rapid evolution. So the choice is there to linger for a long time in the playing fields, or help out in the nursery so that one may progress more quickly into the higher levels.

This has resonance of hierarchy, heteronomy and the idea that 'not all sui generis Beings are really capable of their own evolution'. I am aware that there are ideas here on this plane that suggest that some realms are superior to other realms because they're 'higher' and others are 'lower'- that's hierarchical mythology, in my experience, that carries a very very subtle signal of judgement and superiority that in and of themselves indicate their lack of sui generis. It's a subtle thing and yet a really important one.

That resonates with me, perhaps because I have met some really compassionate beings, both in form and without form.
Fortunately, the development of greater and greater capacity for Compassion makes this less than tedious and actually enjoyable, though I can understand why you are feeling tedium now on this planet, which certainly does seem long overdue for a big leap upwards.

As one that doesn't do compassion, I have far different markers for creating enjoyment and co-creation here. I find the word 'compassion' far too sticky for me.

I think those of us who have been here for a long time, working towards that big leap have the feeling we have paid our dues and the leap needs to come sooner than soon.
The resistance is becoming intolerable, but that could also mean that things will be quickening and moving faster toward the leap, rather than the opposite.

I really resonate with the quickening and I certainly do hope it's going to be quicker rather than slower.

I don't think there will be any mass Disclosure before there has been a mass migration out of here of souls who are not equipped to deal with that peacefully and with a welcoming attitude towards ETs.

I agree about the 'wait until those that think with a gun in their hand leave' idea, because who wants to start a great party if you're going to have to deal with having nukes thrown at you?

Your theories about the Annunaki are very interesting.

Not theories. Histories. These come directly from my conscious history and experience.

Where do you think the Liliths got the Starkind DNA from, which they used to splice into their own genetics?

There was already a thriving, complex expression of activity here on Gaia- her own creations as well as activity happening with the multiversal gateways and University- when the anunnaki fell through the portal. The gateways were never policed or monitored- why bother doing that when all the Beings involved took full responsibility for their actions and experience?- so it wasn't noticed at first. We were also absorbed in our own work and focus, no thought that things could be amiss and when TSEventuallyHTF some horrendous things happened. Peaceful, welcoming, gentle Beings died ghastly agonising deaths. Eventually, after the second iteration, the decision was made to deliberately tweak the homo sapiens genome and biology in an effort to provide a possibility for their evolution and continued existence away from anunnaki domination and control: much of the hybridisation has been very carefully done. I know I was very picky with mine.

The Liliths used a variety of genetics, not just Offworld, hence the vast array of potentials, possibilities and signals here now.

Do you think Abraham and his descendants as described in the Bible, Sitchin and Sir Lawrence Gardner's works were part of that rebellion against the Annunaki?

Not in my history. The Lucifer/Lilith groups were the foundation of the Anun, the group that eventually largely were offered- and took- an offworld refuge from the constant anunnaki attacks. My experience is that the one called Jesus was a descendant of this group and came back in an attempt to assist the remaining anunnaki to evolve. In this incarnation I have zero interest in the remnant anunnaki and their system unless it's information that assists me in my purpose and intention.

After reading most of Sitchin's books and much of Gardner's work, that seemed to me to be the logical conclusion.

I've never read them, so cannot comment. I've heard others talk about Sitchin's work and it very much seems to be caught up in the anunnaki hierarchy and bad guys story. I see all of this history in a very very different light from that.

Though they were a mix of Starkind and Annunaki, their Starkind genetics evolved them into beings that would not tolerate the domination of the Annunaki or their parasitical ways.
Presumably, they bred with homo sapiens as well as their own kind, and helped improve those genetics, but were neither homo sapien nor Annunaki, nor purely Starkind, and the "melting pot" just got more diverse as other Starkind continued to incarnate here, mutating the genome with their particular energy signatures.
It seems likely to me that the differences in the various races of Earth are proof of these various ETs races bringing their genetics here.

That is close to the experience I have. I would like to clarify though- Otherkind are not Starkind/Offworlders. There is more than Starkind genetics in there, which is why I don't use the word ET, really.

Do you think the intermingling of the Starkind genetics with the homo sapien can result in a more evolved homo sapien genome eventually, with the addition of higher frequencies to the recipe?

Putting aside the Otherkind genetics for a moment, yes, that was exactly the idea and it has had much success. What is becoming clear now is that those still at the homo sapiens end of the scale are becoming more like the original iterations than carrying the evolution consciousness. These are the 28 Days Later kind I have spoken about, the Reavers. One does not discuss intelligently with a Reaver. The whole 6 iterations have been directly about the vision to assist these Beings to evolve to a point where they could tolerate the evolution signal.

It sounds more like you think homo sapien is just a failed experiment.

Not at all: I wrote elsewhere about the sublime experience with the group of evolved anunnaki that turned up in my space. What I'm over is the continued expending of energy towards an end that has already presented itself.

I wonder though if the Starkind, EDs, etc. would have been putting so much time and energy into this Earth experiment if it had been doomed all along.
I like to think they have more farsight than that.

We did. We did it. It's done.

In the Michael Teachings, there is a whole theory about the evolution of planets, and according to that, Earth is graduating now to the next level and will not for much longer be a school for younger souls.

This is hierarchies again, that reminds me of this systems way of 'educating' children, which is to remove them from the greater community and teach them in isolation. I unschool my own children at home, they're part of my life and the life of their entire community. Not even the youngest 'soul' needs an environment isolated from the greater multiversal community in order to grow. Homo sapiens were not 'young souls', they were outside of the Life signal- this is what the effort was made for, to give them an opportunity to become a part of the signal here despite their origins. Gaia is also in need of no 'graduating', another (to me) utterly archane concept. Evolution is continuous- infinite 'levels' of graduation? The whole graduation/schooling concept to me is bizarre and heteronomous. I use the word 'university' to describe the activity here in the sense that universities *used* to be, great places of experimental and far ranging vision. There is no sense of external authority or 'graduation' in the way I use the word.

Would you care to expound on what the difference is between Starkind and Otherkind.

Starkind are the ones many call ETs, although I don't like that word much. Starkind engage with the multiverse through a variety of differently oriented technologies, some mechanical, some organic, and can be corporeal or not. Otherkind are direct expressions of the physical realms and are deeply connected to planetary avatars and the frequencies/signals that link the physical realms. Here in this realm they are frequently referred to in terms of mythology, such as that which my Cubus kind are presented as, demons; Otherkind are linked to the physical realms but not always corporeal; they navigate the multiverse via a completely different set of frequencies than the Starkind do; for want of a better analogy, Starkind are the geeks and Otherkind are the mystics, although naturally the Starkind have their own brand of mysticism and Otherkind have their own brand of geekery.

Such a lot of territory has been covered since then!
I still like the Pub playing field, but I'm glad we've gotten down to some serious business too.

There's always been serious business here, it was just hidden in the throb-a-tron couches having a good time.

Thanks again for chatting!

[onawah]

Many thanks, Songs.
This gives me a lot to consider, and inspiration to go back and read more of what you have written.
Words and concepts are so limiting, and I am gaining a deeper appreciation of that as I get a clearer picture of your perspective.
And you cleared up some important misconceptions for me.
On the subject of Otherkind... Would these include the kinds of beings that people see on Ayahuasca and other entheogens?
Beings that the indigenous peoples describe in their spiritual traditions?

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
Many thanks, Songs.
This gives me a lot to consider, and inspiration to go back and read more of what you have written.

I'm actually working my way through the Pub and the forum to gather my writing in one place so that it's easier to go through, so as you find things would you be able to post the links in a reply? I'm thinking I might just make a big links section on the first page, clustered under headings to make reading easier.

Words and concepts are so limiting, and I am gaining a deeper appreciation of that as I get a clearer picture of your perspective.

*nodding* That's why I have a passion for the language of the sui generis- I've actually decided to spend a lot more time in the otherrealms with a view to absorbing the language and concepts there so I can bring them back here.

And you cleared up some important misconceptions for me.

On the subject of Otherkind... Would these include the kinds of beings that people see on Ayahuasca and other entheogens? Beings that the indigenous peoples describe in their spiritual traditions?

*smiling headtilt* Here's one of the reasons why I haven't taken any of those things at all so far in my incarnation: one of the gifts that was offered to the homo sapiens that were prepared to carry the evolution signal is that the Otherkind (here I'm including all expressions of Being because it's easier) were prepared to gift them the multiverse gateway access. For those that carry a high enough frequency, it activates.

This onboard gateway mechanism in is the brain. It can be triggered by taking certain substances and has been known to actually shift some highly sensitive Beings right out of this realm, physically. I don't presume to say that I'm one of those Beings that this would happen to *and* I know that my recent B12 and sacred cacao experiences were enough to remind me that some doorways are very very easy for me to fall through, so my instincts about the possibility that I won't come back seem to be good.

This means the answer to your question is, yes.

[songsfortheotherkind]

[QUOTE=onawah;504374]

This is one of the frequencies that currently, most Beings have *no clue* how to really embrace, including me- I struggle with the expression of my own nature and biology all the time, with sometimes *very* pear shaped results: I flounder with language, with concepts, with the noise and worlds of goo that the contracts and Monsanto claims on my biology create, with living into this space that I'm so passionate about. Everything I do is me bumbling my way through a way of Being that I'm being shown conceptually but not in nuts and bolts terms.

I'd like to qualify this here: I speak the sui generis to a degree that means I don't find many who can speak it on that level back to me. When I'm describing my frustration here, I'm talking at the level of *my own* evolution, not that of the general understanding. Where I go with this I already frequently struggle to find language for...

(I omitted the part about the sucubus because although I think I've also experienced that at times in my life, I'm pretty much cancelling that program as best I can, and it doesn't have much to do with what I'm interested in now. I make do with spending time in Nature and eating as much in the way of live foods as I can, which gives me enough to sustain myself energetically, though occasionally I do still like to draw on the energy of a lively gathering.)

As a Cubus I can readily attest to the assistance of eating high quality food in some ways, and these do nothing to address my essential Cubus elements. I have been developing ways to support and embrace this, including strengthening my connection to my Incubus mirror, who calls himself Pan, as well as making other energetic and corporeal connections. It is gradually coming together: I have in the past attempted to let go my Cubus nature and things didn't go well at all with that. I now accept that, as some prefer a brisk walk and a good book, I prefer to explore the landscape and wonderland that is another Being and I accept that energy is as much sustenance for me as physical food is. I delight in the physical realms and the exploration of them.

What I would really like is to know more about what your direct experience, knowledge and memories are of the Annunaki, Anun, Starkind and Otherkind.

I'm prepared to talk about this, absolutely- and it's from a different perspective from most. It's getting it all together that is the tricksy bit.

On the positive side, I've had direct contact with higher dimensional beings, amazing experiences with animal totems that helped me tremendously in charting my path through life, wonderful connections with soul group members, lots of wonderful teachers who added to my knowledge of so many things.

I would really like to hear about these things, if you are happy to share.

So what I am doing is sharing some of my experience with you and others on this thread, in hopes that providing some context as to who I am may help in finding further communication pathways that are beneficial to this thread , and perhaps will encourage others to find a way to chart their own way into this relatively uncharted exploration of sui generis, what that means to each of us, how we have struggled to arrive here at the threshold of this absorbing subject and how we can embrace it.

sounds like a good reason to be communicating, to me...

The source of this feeling may be what many have felt on Avalon for a long time, carriers both conscious and unconscious of the virus whose task it is to muck up the lines of communication with as much goo as possible of various kinds.
Though I think that has been avoided for the most part on this thread, that is certainly not true of Avalon in general.

Heh, there are *reasons* for that- there are many kick arse guardians and watchers here and I have set the purpose and intent here to specifically dissolve such attempts. My approach to the sui generis can be interpreted as 'cold hearted', pig headed or rude by some- to me, I'm guarding the gates. There are others here who bring some heavy duty energetic responses along with them.

I come face to face with my own strains of it every time I post on this thread and usually end up feeling less than genuine when my words fail so much in expressing who I really feel myself to be, but I am doing the best I can to find a way into the thread that will best offer what I have to share here, not even sure if what I am sharing is appropriate.

Authenticity is always appropriate.

Perhaps the forum is not really the best place for this discussion.

Here's where it seems to be happening... :D

Or perhaps we just aren't ready yet to really get into the subject matter that might best help us to understand who we really are, where we've been and where we're going.
The spirit of fun and play on this thread has been much to be grateful for in and of itself, I would say, but I for one, have high hopes this thread will continue to evolve and grow. I think it's off to a tremendous start.

*sideways eyed smile*

But inasmuch as many have expressed a desire to hear more of what you know, Songs, about the Annuanki, Anun, Starkind and Otherkind, it feels safe to me at least to hope that we can hear more about that from you, and I would think that the virus won't find those subjects so irresistible a target that it won't allow that to happen.

so far, the attempts of the heteronomy and virus have shrivelled like a hothouse flower in the snow. I'm ok with the system of virus dissolving that we've got evolving here.

Do you feel like going there?

tis why I'm here, mostly. That and the various hotties...

Is it something you want to write about here, or do you feel those subjects are better suited to your film making?
Perhaps this could be a good venue for laying the groundwork for the film?

Both, actually, are good. It's happening here in the back rooms, in between romping, carousing and hilarity ensuing: Otherkind know lots of stuff, we're just not really disciplined about most things... :D

[songsfortheotherkind]

[mountain_jim]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Many thanks, Songs.
This gives me a lot to consider, and inspiration to go back and read more of what you have written.

On the subject of Otherkind... Would these include the kinds of beings that people see on Ayahuasca and other entheogens? Beings that the indigenous peoples describe in their spiritual traditions?

*smiling headtilt* Here's one of the reasons why I haven't taken any of those things at all so far in my incarnation: one of the gifts that was offered to the homo sapiens that were prepared to carry the evolution signal is that the Otherkind (here I'm including all expressions of Being because it's easier) were prepared to gift them the multiverse gateway access. For those that carry a high enough frequency, it activates.

This onboard gateway mechanism in is the brain. It can be triggered by taking certain substances and has been known to actually shift some highly sensitive Beings right out of this realm, physically. I don't presume to say that I'm one of those Beings that this would happen to *and* I know that my recent B12 and sacred cacao experiences were enough to remind me that some doorways are very very easy for me to fall through, so my instincts about the possibility that I won't come back seem to be good.

This means the answer to your question is, yes.

I have found that while I am in-between work projects and have the time, I have been applying some of that time to keeping up with your writings in this thread, songs, and finding your perspective and communication skills quite worthwhile to invest this time in.

I have been enjoying this dialogue with onawah very much.

I choose this post to reply to, as I have some extensive experience with some of these 'certain substances', and indeed the gateways activated changed my life, focus, and understanding of Self. I don't state the specifics in public threads, but I can state that the most 'powerfully' catalyzing for me were products of nature, picked fresh from the ground. I have not tried the 'spirit molecule' though.

It's been many years now since these experiments as my 'instrument' is so much more sensitive now and the catalyst has done it's tranformational work.

When I ditched the religious programming of my youth I went through a cynical, unhappy, and directionless phase - these experiences activated and opened me up and showed me the possibilities for growth were infinite, limited only by my belief systems, programming, and internalized fears and blockages.

Now I can remember a taste on my tongue and stimulate many of the physical chemistry changes in the glands/brain-cave of Brahma that past uses of these substances would catalyze.

The cerebrospinal system is the seat of all experience in the body. The Cerebrospinal fluid is in constant motion, motion through this cave of Brahma (the third ventricle) the other ventricles and through out the complete Cranio-Sacral - Central Nervous system. The fluid is crystalline in nature meaning that ions can move freely within the matrix. Communications or information is moving through the fluid, all information is some form of a somatosensory experience. This information is subconscious, the job of awareness is to make it conscious. Now how does this happen?

The third ventricle of the brain is lined with cilia that are constructed just like the light sensitive rods in the eye. They literally see this information. This adds a new meaning to the term “Look within” and the term “The Third Eye.” Others have been on the path and have left us some sign posts along the way that speak of this concept.

Certain filters must still be in place for me though - I still don't yet have access to my previous lives or locations or soul-group or type - much yet to discover!

Carry on

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Wow, she's hot!

[Borden]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzaMs5iaX7w

[Katyani]

Nightflight

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnANi8FNZ8g

[Borden]

There's some great conversation here at the moment, and I for one want to say that just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not here and reading. Several regular posters are conspicuously absent, and I hope that's a temporary phenomenon, but it's excellent reading those who are writing here. There are all sorts of things I want to add or mention, but sometimes - believe it or not - even I decide to map what's happening within and keep my gob shut for a while. I'm in flux in various ways all at once, and if I expressed a view on something today I'd probably find myself arguing against it tomorrow until I remembered that the little guy in the stripes talking rubbish is me.

One thing I can say though is that I agree with Onawah about not buying into everything a certain school of thought says, but only going with what resonates. I think intuition is like the exercising of a muscle ... the more you use it the stronger it'll get. And the attitude of trying to fit square pegs into round holes that characterizes so much of the behaviour of the hook line and sinker brigade ... also applies to the energetic brigade. Don't make that mistake ... you are your own guide.

[Paula]

Guess who stopped by to say hello?

[Paula]

Posted by Borden (here)
There's some great conversation here at the moment, and I for one want to say that just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not here and reading. Several regular posters are conspicuously absent, and I hope that's a temporary phenomenon, but it's excellent reading those who are writing here. There are all sorts of things I want to add or mention, but sometimes - believe it or not - even I decide to map what's happening within and keep my gob shut for a while. I'm in flux in various ways all at once, and if I expressed a view on something today I'd probably find myself arguing against it tomorrow until I remembered that the little guy in the stripes talking rubbish is me.

One thing I can say though is that I agree with Onawah about not buying into everything a certain school of thought says, but only going with what resonates. I think intuition is like the exercising of a muscle ... the more you use it the stronger it'll get. And the attitude of trying to fit square pegs into round holes that characterizes so much of the behaviour of the hook line and sinker brigade ... also applies to the energetic brigade. Don't make that mistake ... you are your own guide.

Hello Borden,

Your words match my thoughts, especially the part about how it's ever changing. And my words fall between the silence now, rather than the other way around. I'm seeing that as a good thing.

Hello to All at the Pub.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Calz]

Posted by Borden (here)

There's some great conversation here at the moment, and I for one want to say that just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not here and reading. Several regular posters are conspicuously absent, and I hope that's a temporary phenomenon, but it's excellent reading those who are writing here.

I was going to post something last night but chose to admire the back and forth flow between Songsie and Onawah rather than derail it.

I considered adding my perception regarding "the split" but that is 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand based on my perceived trust in others so not in the *sushi generali* spirit ...

I even resisted the temptation to do the post with nothing other than watching "the action" ...

[onawah]

I'm relieved to hear no objections so far to me hogging the thread for awhile with my disjointed ramblings.
Apologies for any misconceptions and confusion about what Songs has written.
I will be doing more reviewing and getting her perspectives more clarified in mind hopefully, so that any further questions will be intelligent and to the point rather than redundant or just plain retarded, hopefully!
Clarity seems to be hard to come by these days, for some reason.
Perhaps it's all the CMEs?... or, more likely my 64 year old brain cells
I'm not sure why I've gotten so caught up in so many systems of thought, since intellectual and conceptual thinking so clearly cause one to miss the boat, but maybe by doing that often enough, I will finally go more after more direct experience, rather than more understanding of theory and concepts.
I've read The Magical Child by Joseph Chilton Pearce and some of his articles, and became infuriated when I realized that my so called education had probably done little more than dumb me down, but it's hard to turn yourself around 360 degrees once you've been pointed in the wrong direction.

Thanks to all for your patience with my .

Nice to see you back, Borden!
You were missed.