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[Fred Steeves]

She looks just like you

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
She looks just like you

*wry grin* she was- as she became a teenager that irked her no end. She spent a great deal of time trying to be utterly unlike me- I can remember one of her early teen rages at me regarding how she thought I should be less 'freaky hippy wierdo tripper' and more



so she ran away from home and lived in the forest in tipis and bush sheds, and grew her own food and had three little forest fairy daughters and rode her horses bareback and grew her hair down to her waist and took 50,000 photos of her chickens, ducks, dogs, cats, kids, drums and the creatures of the forest. The number of photos may be slightly exaggerated. In the last email she ever sent me she said that she felt that she'd lived more life in her 27 years than many experience in 80.

She wasn't wrong.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
In the last email she ever sent me she said that she felt that she'd lived more life in her 27 years than many experience in 80.

She wasn't wrong.

I look forward to crossing Krystal's path at some point, and yours as well Songs. Aw hell, it's likely we're all already familiar on a deeper level here, but in the meantime, it sounds like Krystal did what it is we're doing here in this strange place better than most...

I doubt I'm alone in holding your hand still for several more days dear lady......Even the strongest of us needs a shoulder to cry/laugh on sometimes.

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis

[songsfortheotherkind]

Borden told me a little about the Bene Gesserit from Dune. He said that my journey with the B12 poisoning reminded him of the spice agony that a candidate goes through in order to become a reverend mother of the Bene Gesserit order.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_of_Life_%28Dune%29

The Bene Gesserit test their acolytes by feeding them the Water of Life in a ritual known as the spice agony (other poisons had been used before the discovery of the Water of Life on Arrakis). A skilled adept is able to transmute the poison safely within her body and becomes a Reverend Mother. Failure means death. The process also unlocks Other Memory, which gives Reverend Mothers access to the memories and personalities of their female ancestors.

This is really, really interesting to me. Borden was talking with me about it and I kept quizzing him because the energy was poking me in the direction of it. I've been pondering and puzzling over it ever since. This resulted in something really, really interesting last night on my way home from my evening out with my son (who is currently staying with me).

I have scars on my lungs from repeated illness as a child, which sometimes results in me experiencing bouts of knifing type pains in one or the other lung, which is excruciating and makes every breath agony. I started having an episode as we were driving home and after a few minutes of hitching my breath and trying to breath into the pain I started mapping what was going on in my lungs. What I ran into was a MASS of patent type codes on the injuries in my lungs.

I spent some time moving energy around in my lung to see if I could do anything with the pain and the effect was minimal. So I decided to see what happened if I pointed Firstborn, sui generis energy at it.

Instant cessation of pain.

I then came home and have been exploring the various levels of genetic and cellular patterning. Here's what I'm discovering.

In order to get free of the contracts, I need to clean out my family history- by this I mean end the connection to the idea that these individuals are the source of my genetic codes and patternings. No, no they are not. This is really, really important for me to get. I see the idea within me that I am somehow encoded with these individuals as a grey film over my cells and when I looked closer, they were nothing more than code- and I can dissolve that code. I'm doing it, in real time, with things that have been causing me issues for most of my life, physically.

It doesn't just go to the physical though: all the virus inspired thoughts etc are nothing more than code that sits over the top of the shining, true autonomy and sui generis underneath. It's the lie that the Matrix was telling us about, the code, the bar code- all this hysteria over the microchips when they are already there. The issue isn't the *obvious* actions that are being done by the controllers, the issue is doing something about it now, within us.

It's not 'out there, in the future, this happening and that not happening', it's now, in us, tihs call to the evolution is on a biological level. For me, this is where it's at. This is what I'm focusing on. Balls to bone, the Oracle said, and I am finding this to be true. I cannot achieve superbeing biology if I don't *own* my biology, if some other authority is telling me what I can and can't be, what I can and can't think.

I just had the most amazing experience, so amazing that I'm still processing it and I can't write about it yet. I'll write soon and it was about meeting another sui generis Being. Astoundingly perfect.

[Calz]

Music time ... can't do that at work ... and I have *TIME* to do that now.

From my own prison at work to my few days off "freedom" ...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBqjGd3fHQ

Jailbreak ...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2HbfVQ13bg

[Borden]

This dissolving of contracts is such an interesting business, Songsy. I'd post the whole passage in the book where Jessica transforms the water of life, but it's quite long, and I'm an ignoramus about copyright and so forth, and I wouldn't want to inadvertently annoy Frank Herbert's spirit. He's one of my heroes after all.

I don't know how much you've looked into it yet, but in the story, Jessica changes the powerful substance not only in herself, but in the vessel from which she sips it. Her saliva changes it. When it's changed, the Fremen people partake, and it produces an opiate, orgiastic effect. Only women can do this, and when they do, they are able to look down the corridors of their ancestry at a cellular level. The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

I know this might smack of masculine dominance, and the book was indeed written in another age, before I was born (eek!), but that isn't my take on it. Frank Herbert wrote amazing, powerful female characters, and Paul's story is just one in the larger story. I haven't started to re-read the book yet, but I'm itching to find out what I see that I didn't see before.

When I was reading about your experience with your lungs I thought of a problem I've had since I was twenty, and wondered if I could try the same thing. Then I had the odd realization that this problem began within about a month of my first (awestruck) reading of 'Dune'. They're called 'cluster' headaches, and so called because they come in clusters. They're not migraines - they're hurtier than those. With me, they last between about two and four hours, and the pain literally feels as though someone has a rusty knife in my eye and is slowly twisting it. I've been known to Sith out on such occasions, and make good friends run away because they saw in my eyes that I might kill them if they continued to ask what they could do for me. Luckily, my good friends are really good friends and they understand me. I wondered if I might be being a girl's blouse about the level of pain until I finally saw a specialist a couple of years ago, and he told me about some semi-mystical pain chart they have. We laughed about it, because it's like those trump cards ... "my pain beats your pain", haha - but he told me I can confidently hold my trump card high even in the presence of those who know how hurty childbirth can sometimes be. Doctors call them 'suicide headaches' for a good but awful reason. I haven't had a 'cluster' for a year or two now, but when next I do, I will be looking for contracts. Trouble is, that level of pain is not one conducive to quiet contemplation.

I'm glad you saw more in Ruffalo's Banner. I think he's lovely. As for Tony Stark ... no-one else could mouth off to a Norse god like that! Part of his charm. Without giving anything away for anyone who hasn't seen it (is there anyone left?), there's a scene right near the end where Tony is somewhat supine, and me and my brother both fell about. He's utterly brilliant.

I want to read about 'the bears in her hair'. You're both beautiful. I also want to proclaim, while imagining anyone gives a sh!t, that I'm really glad of the unfamiliar 'faces' in this thread recently. Then there are more familiar ones, Fred and Dennis, who are both lovelies in my estimation, and I'm very glad they're with us.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFo6kmMZr3s

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5vQP_RFccY

[Zebra]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
... So I decided to see what happened if I pointed Firstborn, sui generis energy at it.

That is an epiphanous moment, Songs. You knew what to do. Where does that knowledge come from, eh? I like to think that Krystal, your daughter, was one of your guides in this because it was her birthday. At a higher level, together you and her are brewing some interesting pathways to explore and widen. I say this, because I really believe that I have conferences with souls that are my kin - there are some I don´t know but I know they are kin of another kind, still putting these pieces together. Interesting however, it is often when I am just about to say to a crisis, after bleeding (metaphorically) all over the place that *I am over it, get in there and finish this bugger*

Instant cessation of pain.

WOW. Evidence. There in real time. How much better can it get? I am excited. The moment you syncronised with this knowledge and placed it in your body. Ba boom!

I then came home and have been exploring the various levels of genetic and cellular patterning. Here's what I'm discovering.

In order to get free of the contracts, I need to clean out my family history- by this I mean end the connection to the idea that these individuals are the source of my genetic codes and patternings. No, no they are not. This is really, really important for me to get. I see the idea within me that I am somehow encoded with these individuals as a grey film over my cells and when I looked closer, they were nothing more than code- and I can dissolve that code. I'm doing it, in real time, with things that have been causing me issues for most of my life, physically.

Do you think that these codes are essences of pain/drama that belongs only to the physical body of this life only? Is this the sui generis learning how to evacuate all programming?

It doesn't just go to the physical though: all the virus inspired thoughts etc are nothing more than code that sits over the top of the shining, true autonomy and sui generis underneath. It's the lie that the Matrix was telling us about, the code, the bar code- all this hysteria over the microchips when they are already there. The issue isn't the *obvious* actions that are being done by the controllers, the issue is doing something about it now, within us.

For me, thoughts are connected to the physical being and the experiences, each field feeds the other and keeps it locked down. Even with programs that could be implanted by controllers, they become a part of the morass of fields that are serving the human instrument and conversely the vision and mission of the matrix.

*looking at you with great interest .. you are getting close

It's not 'out there, in the future, this happening and that not happening', it's now, in us, tihs call to the evolution is on a biological level. For me, this is where it's at. This is what I'm focusing on. Balls to bone, the Oracle said, and I am finding this to be true. I cannot achieve superbeing biology if I don't *own* my biology, if some other authority is telling me what I can and can't be, what I can and can't think.

Superbeing biology? Why not? That is the ultimate goal of healing. This is medical intuition doing some serious work here - and the truth is bare in your face. You can only heal yourself - make yourself heal and whole. A useful bit of programming from way back says it more perfectly: If you want a job done, you have got to do it yourself.

I just had the most amazing experience, so amazing that I'm still processing it and I can't write about it yet. I'll write soon and it was about meeting another sui generis Being. Astoundingly perfect.

I have no idea if I make sense with my response here, but something is ticking over for me. Oooh, what is in store here?

Thank you

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Borden (here)
This dissolving of contracts is such an interesting business, Songsy. ... I don't know how much you've looked into it yet, but in the story, Jessica changes the powerful substance not only in herself, but in the vessel from which she sips it. Her saliva changes it. When it's changed, the Fremen people partake, and it produces an opiate, orgiastic effect.

I've read about that. Can't remember what it's called, but I read about the ritual. I'm also familiar with the process that is being described: to me it is connected to the thing of being able to get one's signal pure enough to be able to pass it on via touch, or loading an object with one's energy. I know this is possible and even the anunnaki bible references it. There's a lot of stuff in there that's so close to the mark it actually is making me laugh these days. It's like I said about the djinni- clever, so clever.

Only women can do this, and when they do, they are able to look down the corridors of their ancestry at a cellular level.

Yes, I'm getting this- finding it concurrently with the Dune information was not accidental at all. There are many new levels of exploration in this genetics/history thing that I'm going into now. I am very sure of getting the signal clear- this individual I met today and I tuned each other up the scale almost without thought. We were aware it was happening. It was utterly awesome.

The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

This is where the story goes pear shaped for me- the suggestion that a man could look into the feminine but the feminine couldn't look into the masculine. Blah blah blah. The poles again, when there are so many more interesting shades and facets than that: I have loved a woman who had male genitalia because she used to be a man and decided that she didn't need to cut off her penis in order to be a 'real' woman. The extreme expression thing isn't my deal: I much prefer all the infinite shades of slide in between the extremes.

We laughed about it, because it's like those trump cards ... "my pain beats your pain", haha - but he told me I can confidently hold my trump card high even in the presence of those who know how hurty childbirth can sometimes be.

I can confidently dismiss this because until it's one who has both experienced the cluster headaches AND childbirth expressing an opinion, everything else is a male doctor's erroneous supposition. It's why men have no business at births except as supporters and holders of the space. I have no idea what a prostrate problem - or the sensation of an erection- would feel like and wouldn't presume to say I did; why men feel they can confidently blither on about birth I have no idea. It's a subtle diminishment on the part of the male medical profession- and the over yang masculine energy as a whole, I've observed, this owning women's experiences.

I haven't had a 'cluster' for a year or two now, but when next I do, I will be looking for contracts. Trouble is, that level of pain is not one conducive to quiet contemplation.

I'm really glad you haven't had one for ages. It *is* possible to sniff out the contracts by using an internal avatar to go into the space for you- an energetic avatar can explore the pain without the physical body having to participate. It's a great tool.

I want to read about 'the bears in her hair'. You're both beautiful.

*sideways eyed smile* thank you: once upon a time, I had my moments, as did she. I am now firmly in the hag realm, and I kind of like it here- I get to wear these for a start... *shakes horns gently*

I also want to proclaim, while imagining anyone gives a sh!t, that I'm really glad of the unfamiliar 'faces' in this thread recently. Then there are more familiar ones, Fred and Dennis, who are both lovelies in my estimation, and I'm very glad they're with us.

This is so true.

[Zebra]

Posted by Borden (here)
I wouldn't want to inadvertently annoy Frank Herbert's spirit. He's one of my heroes after all.

I have got to pick this Frank up and read him! I am behind, too much time looking at re runs of old TV shows in the last few days. My, it is good to get back to the pub with all you fine and cultured siths, tea and tincture witches, horny headed, blue skinned and other kinds. I love you all

I don't know how much you've looked into it yet, but in the story, Jessica changes the powerful substance not only in herself, but in the vessel from which she sips it. Her saliva changes it. When it's changed, the Fremen people partake, and it produces an opiate, orgiastic effect. Only women can do this, and when they do, they are able to look down the corridors of their ancestry at a cellular level. The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

This sounds a perfect parable - it is like a treasure map. You are connecting the dots on fire here Borden. I feel like that I am reading the study notes before I have read the book: ''Borden's Dune Primer'' *Giggles* I was a very poor student in my teens, I did this at school too

Now I am nerd. Which is worse?

I know this might smack of masculine dominance, and the book was indeed written in another age, before I was born (eek!), but that isn't my take on it. Frank Herbert wrote amazing, powerful female characters, and Paul's story is just one in the larger story. I haven't started to re-read the book yet, but I'm itching to find out what I see that I didn't see before.

When I was reading about your experience with your lungs I thought of a problem I've had since I was twenty, and wondered if I could try the same thing. Then I had the odd realization that this problem began within about a month of my first (awestruck) reading of 'Dune'. They're called 'cluster' headaches, and so called because they come in clusters. They're not migraines - they're hurtier than those. With me, they last between about two and four hours, and the pain literally feels as though someone has a rusty knife in my eye and is slowly twisting it. I've been known to Sith out on such occasions, and make good friends run away because they saw in my eyes that I might kill them if they continued to ask what they could do for me. Luckily, my good friends are really good friends and they understand me. I wondered if I might be being a girl's blouse about the level of pain until I finally saw a specialist a couple of years ago, and he told me about some semi-mystical pain chart they have. We laughed about it, because it's like those trump cards ... "my pain beats your pain", haha - but he told me I can confidently hold my trump card high even in the presence of those who know how hurty childbirth can sometimes be. Doctors call them 'suicide headaches' for a good but awful reason. I haven't had a 'cluster' for a year or two now, but when next I do, I will be looking for contracts. Trouble is, that level of pain is not one conducive to quiet contemplation.

This is good S#it. You are dot connecting on fire, here. What you write tells me: *All pain is related* Yes, yes. YES. That´s what is coming up for me. Through different dimensions of our be ing, we collect and re-distribute. Even when Songs talks about her particular pain, you are prompted to start thinking more deeply about the source of your pains. Those suicide headaches, I have never heard this term - but I think I have had a few - but your telling reminds me to check in with my own. Whatever the reason, I think it is very important. One of my teachers - who introduced the field of medical intuition to me - said something which has resonated with me for the last four years. She would demonstrate how deeply interconnected our systems are - just by her mentioning/or naming a part of the body, a knee and organ, a pain somewhere or a dis ease, what is happening for you when you hear this? Point is, where you visualise where your pain is, the knowledge is already there and you have to ask why and then trust the first thought that enters your body mind and move with it - as it will eventually lead you to make choices on how to heal it. The idea of course is, sure, you can take a pound of pain killers to deal with the pain, to dull and smooth it out. But it does not stop it from returning. I know I am probably repeating stuff here, but I think we all need reminding.

Oh, and before I get off this topic for now, the other thing that sparked me about having those kind of head aches is the connection to them being the precursor - for some - to let off /unplug the crown chakra and kundalini. A pain would start in my third eye area and my teacher would see this as I started to rub my forehead - she was like a radar - next minute she would be crossing a room to sit or stand beside me and say: it´s ok, you can let it go. Which also means, what is there is no longer serving you. My mind is thinking it knows everything, but it does´nt. It is presiding over making a decision, probably thinking whatever is coming up through my spine, is still useful. But really I have given my mind total control, which is compounded by my mind´s contract with the matrix. The head ache is my mind holding onto the fear of myself exposing itself. Don´t you love it?

Letting it go, these consciously, unknown entities is an experience for me, I have spoke languages that are so ancient, it will take some exploration to map where they came from, but I was advised that it doesn´t matter, the detail that is - in other words, let go!

I'm glad you saw more in Ruffalo's Banner. I think he's lovely. As for Tony Stark ... no-one else could mouth off to a Norse god like that! Part of his charm. Without giving anything away for anyone who hasn't seen it (is there anyone left?), there's a scene right near the end where Tony is somewhat supine, and me and my brother both fell about. He's utterly brilliant.

Go see The Avengers. Get a life Zebra! Another reason to order my mind to the office and fire it

I want to read about 'the bears in her hair'. You're both beautiful. I also want to proclaim, while imagining anyone gives a sh!t, that I'm really glad of the unfamiliar 'faces' in this thread recently. Then there are more familiar ones, Fred and Dennis, who are both lovelies in my estimation, and I'm very glad they're with us.

The bears in the hair story - I agree - conjures up so much. What a special family. I also want to thank Songs for showing us that beautiful photo.

*Hope all you newbies here at the pub continue coming*

[Carmody]

Posted by Borden (here)

I don't know how much you've looked into it yet, but in the story, Jessica changes the powerful substance not only in herself, but in the vessel from which she sips it. Her saliva changes it. When it's changed, the Fremen people partake, and it produces an opiate, orgiastic effect. Only women can do this, and when they do, they are able to look down the corridors of their ancestry at a cellular level. The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

I know this might smack of masculine dominance, and the book was indeed written in another age, before I was born (eek!), but that isn't my take on it. Frank Herbert wrote amazing, powerful female characters, and Paul's story is just one in the larger story. I haven't started to re-read the book yet, but I'm itching to find out what I see that I didn't see before.

Frank was indicating that they had been breeding for, what was it, more than a few thousand years, in order to produce an offspring that was 'barely', in the genetic sense, male, but female. Not an uber male but one that had the sensitivity of the female but could peer down, through time, into the male side of lineage. Via being imbibed with the female capacity.

Herbert was apparently indicating that he was trying to insert some form of similar sensitivity into the male side of the duality, but that according to their understanding, the overall genetics indicated that it had to come from the female side of the genetic systems, it had to be born out of the female side.

Paul was not supposed to be born, his mother, lady Jessica, was to have a female child. Thus, for them, according to their breeding program ....Paul Atredies was never to have been born. This was a culmination point of their breeding program and he came one generation too soon, and was outside of their expectations and outside of their carefully laid plans, regarding control and positioning.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Zebra (here)
That is an epiphanous moment, Songs. You knew what to do. Where does that knowledge come from, eh?

It comes from the I Am within me, and my finding my way back to that signal via the love and connection that I experience from many Beings in the Otherrealms, fortified by some of the connections I'm making here in this realm. I am living into the unfolding of what I am. I've always known these things, finding my way back to the beginning. The breadcrumb trail was probably not a good idea, considering the amount of crows about...

I like to think that Krystal, your daughter, was one of your guides in this because it was her birthday. At a higher level, together you and her are brewing some interesting pathways to explore and widen.

My girl is part of a different story. I know that. She is the only one who has never come to me in my dreams: she was here because of her connection to her father's story, not mine: I was the bridge that she needed. I'm utterly ok with that role.

I say this, because I really believe that I have conferences with souls that are my kin - there are some I don´t know but I know they are kin of another kind, still putting these pieces together.

Lots of things are becoming revealed now. I know I'm on a path that is calling to me ever more: part of my backbrain is constantly directed at the dissolving of the contracts on every level- I'm turning into something that a lot of individuals aren't going to like, simply because dissolving the contracts means I don't have to play by their rules, which are the rules most individuals play by, and those rules are becoming utterly meaningless to me. I knew when I accidentally poisoned my Self that something huge was happening, even though it was a horrible doorway; I'm intending to do it again soon, a different way and lower dose, to explore the space more. I can access information in that space that is utterly devoid of human. It's a revelation on a molecular and energetic level: I just need to find the poison level that gives me the doorway without the rampant horns and fangs feeling.

This is where Nuada comes in- the real Nuada energy, not the stupid intentionally loaded interpretation of him. I am using that signal to help me identify some of the ones I'm coming across. I am aware of all the arguing about my perspectives that some want to engage in- there's nothing interesting at all in arguing. Co-creation or peacefully going our separate ways. Nuada's experience is yet another example of the futility in engaging with those who don't want to co-create.

Instant cessation of pain.

WOW. Evidence. There in real time. How much better can it get? I am excited. The moment you syncronised with this knowledge and placed it in your body. Ba boom!

yes. That's what I'm interested in: what works, what transforms, what brings teh sui generis and evolution into the physicality beyond the contracts and constrictions. We are our own Neo's, always have been- I'm interested in those that are interested in taking up the exploration rather than bogging in the old extinction patterns. I am aware of this signal that I'm working with- nothing else interests me, now.

I then came home and have been exploring the various levels of genetic and cellular patterning. Here's what I'm discovering.

In order to get free of the contracts, I need to clean out my family history- by this I mean end the connection to the idea that these individuals are the source of my genetic codes and patternings. No, no they are not. This is really, really important for me to get. I see the idea within me that I am somehow encoded with these individuals as a grey film over my cells and when I looked closer, they were nothing more than code- and I can dissolve that code. I'm doing it, in real time, with things that have been causing me issues for most of my life, physically.

]Do you think that these codes are essences of pain/drama that belongs only to the physical body of this life only? Is this the sui generis learning how to evacuate all programming?

Not this life only, absolutely: this is the clearing of ALL programming and I'm experiencing it- I'm seeing my Self within a stream of information that changes color and uncouples from me as I go through this process. The idea of connection and disconnection is part of the programming, because without the disconnect we know who we are and what we are doing here- the rest is the fiction, the matrix illusion. All our avatar expressions flow back into themselves- it's the beginning of the comfortability with the multiverse, this allowing the multiple threads of 'us' to meet in this experience while recognising that we're *also* in other places simultaneously. Clearing the spiritual Monsanto codes here cause so many ripple effects that it changes everything, like the time travel issues I was writing about earlier.

I can hold so many elements in my hands and weave them together; I get this undertaking that I am living into. I am willing to be whatever catalyst I need to be for my Self.

It doesn't just go to the physical though: all the virus inspired thoughts etc are nothing more than code that sits over the top of the shining, true autonomy and sui generis underneath. It's the lie that the Matrix was telling us about, the code, the bar code- all this hysteria over the microchips when they are already there. The issue isn't the *obvious* actions that are being done by the controllers, the issue is doing something about it now, within us.


For me, thoughts are connected to the physical being and the experiences, each field feeds the other and keeps it locked down. Even with programs that could be implanted by controllers, they become a part of the morass of fields that are serving the human instrument and conversely the vision and mission of the matrix.

The mirror and the evolution are NEVER absent- everything is interlinked, always; there is no anunnaki without a need and a space for anunnaki energetically and in service to the evolution, just like one of the theories is that there was a need for a comet to shift the energy of the evolution and transform the energy of those that could no longer evolve.

So many elements I'm trying to point to simultaneously: the evolution signal of a multiverse that seeks to become ever more complex and able to more deeply and finely investigate itself, the way this signal responds to the blocks it comes up against, the way that it seeks the balancing and answering energy to best serve that purpose and process, the way that all energy is interlinked, the way that our own blocks call to the answering energies so that we can learn how the signal needs to refine in order to carry the evolution further: it's not locked down, it's precisely as it is because that's where the evolution has log jammed and we're experiencing both the result and the solution to the situation simultaneously. Most look to the log jam and hindsight all over it; others look at the energy and the elements and work out which log needs to be kicked to unlock the whole mess. The latter are truly rare and are generally loathed because the ensuing tumble looks like a disaster: to hindsighters, a logjam is at least jammed, the energy is not moving in any way and thus the unknown isn't presenting itself.

The nature of evolution cannot NOT be present- remember Jeff Goldblum's remark in Jurassic Park: "life will *always* find a way"- and so the virus itself mutates and learns- we experience that both micro within us and macro on the world stage. The interlocking thoughtnests are part of this. The virus feeds on that which has no answer to it, and so the programs become interlocked with other programs and the co-creation elements express themselves in less beneficial- and ultimately life ending- forms. The diseased expressions of the co-creation and evolution that the virus produces do not carry the true sui generis and Life energy and they are doomed to always express the decaying underbelly of the control and domination foundations that the virus is built on.

There will never be Life in that system. The evidence of this is in the behaviours- 'by their fruits you will know them'- and anything that preaches heteronomy in even its most subtle and finest expressions will eventually be the fertile ground for endless putrescent empires and those who would be next petty king of the death bringers. Always, these thought forms bring death in their wake: death of the mind, the heart, the spirit, the sui generis, the planet, the signal- and yet, all this display of force is undone by a simple awakening within to the Firstborn nature and signal that has always been ours. We are always, and have always been, the Beloved of our own Self: that is what the anunnaki system is there to reflect and support the learning of and it is willing to escalate the lessons as far as necessary in order to both be the mirror and the means of its own extinction. It has known for thousands of years that it is doomed.

As for my own knowing, I am slowly rising to my feet, my heart signal beating with a great frequency that is scattering the genetic prisons left and right. I am aware that I'm getting tremendous energetic support from the Otherrealms.

*looking at you with great interest .. you are getting close

*grinning at you* Yes, yes I am.

Superbeing biology? Why not? That is the ultimate goal of healing. This is medical intuition doing some serious work here - and the truth is bare in your face. You can only heal yourself - make yourself heal and whole. A useful bit of programming from way back says it more perfectly: If you want a job done, you have got to do it yourself.

Yes. Who can love me absolutely, but me? Who can truly know my experience but me? Why would I wish to do anything but observe and connect with the Art that another is expressing from their sui generis: who can say 'this is greater or lesser than that'? We are utterly our own healers and guides; the parable of the talents speaks of this great intuition and signal we've been given to guide our greatest evolution- what are we prepared to do with it? Expand into it, or contract with others to do our evolving for us and give away our autonomy and sui generis in the process? Our Firstborn nature given away for a bowl of lentils and a big screen TV.

Balls to bone is how we heal our Selves- and then, it's a different universe...

I have no idea if I make sense with my response here, but something is ticking over for me. Oooh, what is in store here?

Thank you

*grinning at you* it's very very fun, in my 'Verse, right now. :D

[Carmody]

Something has come to be a bit more clear to this one, in the past few pages of reading and trying to figure out where things went sour. I have found the information that was lacking, that caused two lines of misconvergence and misunderstanding to emerge.

A critical bit of thrust of this thread's meaning was missing from my prior understanding, and I must apologize for that, regarding my original posting in this thread. That was the point of disconnect. My posting would have been notably different, if I had been aware. In that aspect, the error is all mine.

[REILLY]

Only when male becomes female, and female becomes male, shall any enter the outer space. Or, something like that.

I've enjoyed reading through this one, and others in the pub may find it to be of interest, swiped from billyji's Biglino thread:

http://www.biblerealitycheck.com/WingsTreatise.htm

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Borden (here)
With me, they last between about two and four hours, and the pain literally feels as though someone has a rusty knife in my eye and is slowly twisting it... I wondered if I might be being a girl's blouse about the level of pain until I finally saw a specialist a couple of years ago, and he told me about some semi-mystical pain chart they have. We laughed about it, because it's like those trump cards ... "my pain beats your pain", haha - but he told me I can confidently hold my trump card high even in the presence of those who know how hurty childbirth can sometimes be.

I'm answering this here because if you're going to repeatedly call me a coward you're going to do it in public. I don't like hidden stuff roiling about below the surface of the Pub.

There is a vast difference between my saying 'don't compare your headaches to childbirth, which is something you cannot speak on with any degree of authority, ever' and 'your headaches aren't excruciating'. Some women can go through birth with very little outward expression, some scream their way through the whole thing, some require being numbed from the waist down and some require total oblivion. An individual's journey is precisely that- the journey of the individual. Some will be able to endure cluster headaches without committing suicide, some will not, just as some will do birth with a degree of outward stillness that others will never experience. Some find birth utterly orgasmic, others ask for merciful release from the agony. All pain is personal, because the codes that are being triggered to induce the pain is utterly personally tailored to that individual.

I am interested in the undoing of stories. My experience used to be to stand in the spot and continuously defend my Self and my position; I'm not in the least bit interested in that now. Undo the code, that's what it's about for me, on all levels- I am too restless with the energy to go with anything else.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Something has come to be a bit more clear to this one, in the past few pages of reading and trying to figure out where things went sour. I have found the information that was lacking, that caused two lines of misconvergence and misunderstanding to emerge.

A critical bit of thrust of this thread's meaning was missing from my prior understanding, and I must apologize for that, regarding my original posting in this thread. That was the point of disconnect. My posting would have been notably different, if I had been aware. In that aspect, the error is all mine.

*waves at you from the depths of a throb-a-tron couch, Pan Galactic and a massive curly straw balanced precariously in the other hand* I'm really happy to see you here in the Pub and except in the most nebulous of ways, I have no freaking clue what you are talking about in this post. I'd like to have one! Is there some way of expressing your observation in a way that sheds some light on the disconnect you're talking about, what you observed and how your posting would have been notably different? Your post is like a rubic's cube that has had all the little stickers pulled off, which makes the possibilities infinite and with no clear indicator that one has actually reached the desired goal. :D

Armed with this information, your apology is going to make much more sense.

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Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Only when male becomes female, and female becomes male, shall any enter the outer space. Or, something like that.

I've enjoyed reading through this one, and others in the pub may find it to be of interest, swiped from billyji's Biglino thread:

http://www.biblerealitycheck.com/WingsTreatise.htm

*bounces in enthusiastically* PL! Hi stranger! :D

*hugs*

I love the whole morphing polarities into new and interesting smushes. :D

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Carmody (here)

The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

Frank was indicating that they had been breeding for, what was it, more than a few thousand years, in order to produce an offspring that was 'barely', in the genetic sense, male, but female. Not an uber male but one that had the sensitivity of the female but could peer down, through time, into the male side of lineage. Via being imbibed with the female capacity.

Herbert was apparently indicating that he was trying to insert some form of similar sensitivity into the male side of the duality, but that according to their understanding, the overall genetics indicated that it had to come from the female side of the genetic systems, it had to be born out of the female side.

Paul was not supposed to be born, his mother, lady Jessica, was to have a female child. Thus, for them, according to their breeding program ....Paul Atredies was never to have been born. This was a culmination point of their breeding program and he came one generation too soon, and was outside of their expectations and outside of their carefully laid plans, regarding control and positioning.

So the Bene Gesserit weren't taking the Fremen prophecy seriously? Is that the idea?

Also, this reminds me of the breeding program in Gate To Women's Country, breeding more feminine traits into the masculine. In that book this worked really well, with very interesting results from a world of peace pov.

[Borden]

Borden is grinning at Carmody. Hello, buddy. I love that you know those books.

Songsy, don't take our fights public, okay? You've been told.

Move along. There is no uncomfortableness here. Kapeesh?

[REILLY]

My favorites were God Emperor and Heretics. It's been seven or eight years since I've been through the Dune series, so it's about time. I've been through it several times since age twelve or thirteen, I just turned thirty four. And my buddy, Playdo, is currently going through it for the first time. I've read a bunch of Frank's other books, the white plague being the only one I never got in to.