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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    Oouthere

    your first image is a composite picture produced by a pretend 9/11 truth site , cant remember which at the mo , i think it may be steven jones and the gang at 9/11 what ever.if you tone down the colour you get this



    which is far more revealing



    try these images taken before the collapse .





    and did your 757 go through all this to make that neat itty bitty hole





    is this were the nose of your 757 came through !!

    check the pristine grass in this , can you see any luggage , seats , tail section , wings etc etc, in fact can you honestly see anything resembling a 757 crash.








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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    As to what may come of all this? From what I see there are those that accept the official version, those that support the truth, and those that have accepted the truth and that's the end of the matter. With a "oh well you can't do anything about it" attitude.
    Then after a few administration changes and decades later the truth although not officially recognised will be accepted by the majority.
    Though I prey that doesn't happen and the scum that invented the whole plan are brought to justice.

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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

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    I was a bricklayer for three years, that fifth image in this post were the nose came out.........that hole does not look like its been made by a severely slowed down airplane.

    1. debry outside of that hole.................. not enough to have punched through a wall reinforced with concrete and rebar and some decent quality bricks ( there is flex in that you know.)

    2. The distance travelled by the nose/the wideness of the plane fusilage, the distance from the outside wall/ the diagonal flightpath( any wall or substance for that matter increases in thickness when something passes through it and so does the resistance it meets) Take a square block of clay and poke a stick through it............ take the same block of clay and poke a stick through it diagonally, you might just run out of stick before you punch through the other side.

    3. what i am missing is this, the supposed plane crashed through 6 massively reinforced walls, the last wall should have the least of the impact damage since the object punching through would have spent allmost all of its kinetic energy at that point and yet look at that image.....wall 1 point of impact wall 2 well ok maybe it got through all that concrete reinforced with rebar the size of you wrists column after column after column after column ( etc). That leaves us with an impact trajectory completely devoid of any debrees on an impossible angle to penetrate from wall 3 upto 5 to be suddenly cofronted with a pretty nice round hole in wall nr 6.

    4. Go figure, someone blew a hole in that wall to make sure whatever it was they wanted out of the building got out of the building and they could not use the front door for that, either that or its just mice with very dangerous breath.

    5. The hole blasted through that wall has been made with a substance that went of so fast it did not even give the edges the time to crumble down, masonnery makes a real dusty and huge pile of crap when it comes crashing down, something blew through there, look at it, on the inside you see everything leaning backward and on the outside everything has been blown outward with a dead space in the middle, some thing stuck or attached to that wall blew up to leave a mark like that, someone wanted to get out of that building really fast with something substantial as luggage, i wonder were the doors are in the 4th ring of the building.

    Just another robbery were they came and went through the wall, the first hole was made to camouflage the bang from the exit hole in the third ring, its a ****ty b movie scenario, very very very sad so many people had to pay the price they payed, and this is slightly of topic but the wtc................ all i think is................... they needed those two towers to come down to get away with whatever was in building 7..... a diversion strategy, crashed into its own footprints to cover up the tracks of what ever it was that went on there.

    Ps........... besides being a bricklayer i used to do many things. one of those thing was being in the military for three years as a tanker ( drove them) That hole is not by just some piece of alluminium that survived all that resistance on the way to that last wall, that wall was blown out by something that was invented with the single purpose of making loud noises and displace anything or everybody that it made contact with....BOOM.....and Elvis has left the building through a private exit.

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    The next point is concerning lack of debri from impact craft. The below picture is of a 747 that caught on fire while landing. Combine a heavy generator impact, penetration of a bomb resistant wall, and then basically going through three full buildings there should not be much left.

    747 Burns Upon Landing

    But we do have the usual culprits that shows aircraft parts in and around the Pentagon:

    Fueslage or door

    Turbine minus blades

    Aircraft skin

    Structural part

    757 RB211 engine diffuser

    Various fuselage parts

    757 Front landing strut (nearly twice as tall as a man).

    757 Rim

    Various aircraft pieces

    Actuator

    Turbine part


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    You know, it was clear to me that the pentagon crash was BS from the instant the first photos where put on the TV. Its just mind boggling how stupid or repressed or brainwashed the American people can be.... dito for the crash in the field. Looking at those photos and seeing them for what it is instantly is not gut intuition, is not conjecture, is not rocket science. It is the ability to interpret reality independently based on empiracal observation. That people have to dedicate their lives to proving the the obvious for those who are blind is a dam shame but obvioulsy our educational system has succeded in leaded the sheeple in exactly how to not think and to be lead by their noses with incredible ease by media, shapeshifters, liars, crooks and murderers

    Keep up the good work all 9/11 Truth Sayers... we must never give up hope that truth might someday make a difference.
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    Quote Posted by iceni tribe (here)
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    your first image is a composite picture produced by a pretend 9/11 truth site , cant remember which at the mo , i think it may be steven jones and the gang at 9/11 what ever.if you tone down the colour you get this
    ...
    Let's take this a different route, above is a much more telling image before the collapse. Notice the damage extends from the generator to the far side of the photo.
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    and did your 757 go through all this to make that neat itty bitty hole



    Let's see, one generator impact, one bomb resistant wall penetration, three building penetrations, roughly 300 mph @ 160,000lbs....yes.

    Notice the landing gear hubs?

    And don't try to say these were preplanted parts, it is impossible.

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    check the pristine grass in this , can you see any luggage , seats , tail section , wings etc etc, in fact can you honestly see anything resembling a 757 crash.







    Contrary to popular belief parts do disappear in a fire.

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    The only reinforced wall is the outside wall and that was due to the OK bombing incident. The other walls were of standard building design.

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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    Like most of us on here I am not a aviation or explosives expert, but like a jury in a trial very few start out as experts and its with the weight
    of argument , probability and who benifits from a crime that a verdict is arrived at........After the initial shock of 9/11 and apportioning blame..
    Four wars were iniated by the Neo-con led Bush administration......Afghanistan, Iraq, Terror/muslim world and the American people via 'Homeland Security'..

    Who Benifitted Bush and the neo-cons, mil ind complex , Halliburton and many other organisations and a lot of deals involving the elites getting more rich
    and powerfull at the expence of thousands of killed and injured coalition troops and millions in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere .....There was certainly
    nothing in it for Bin Laden, other than possibly help Ciada create the foundation for over a decade of slaughter....To gain control of drugs , Oil and minerals
    for the Rich and powerfull who run the world !

    Its from this perspective that I think 9/11 was a inside job....Classic 'False Flag' operation..

    From a eye witness who was there on the day...She saw no evidence of a plane !!










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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    Quote Posted by Oouthere (here)
    Let's take this a different route, above is a much more telling image before the collapse. Notice the damage extends from the generator to the far side of the photo.
    Nice picture ... but where's the plane ?
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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    As is well known from courts of law, political meetings and web forums, both sides of any dispute can continue to present arguments for their position without limit, regardless of how obviously wrong some positions might be.

    The 9/11 issues had been rather quiescent on this forum for the last few months, but have flared up again. I wonder if that's just the random coincidence of several people taking an interest in it again, or if the timing of this renewed energy of conflicting comments has a larger significance.
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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    no planes at either site... watch 'september clues' on YouTube!

    i also agree about the hi-tech weapons involvement...
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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

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    From a eye witness who was there on the day...She saw no evidence of a plane !!

    Right. April Gallup, a Pentagon employee, evacuated the building (with her young son) from the very hole in the wall that the 'plane' was supposed to have created when it 'crashed'. She stated that there was absolutely no plane to be seen.

    http://washingtonpost.com/national/a...DGK_story.html

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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

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    Let's see, one generator impact, one bomb resistant wall penetration, three building penetrations, roughly 300 mph @ 160,000lbs....yes.

    Notice the landing gear hubs? http://conspiracies.skepticproject.c...andinggear.jpg

    And don't try to say these were preplanted parts, it is impossible.

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    Well, Oouthere, I wouldn’t know a landing gear hub if one landed on my head, but I can say this: yes, they sure look like plants.

    If you mean those round hubcap-looking things in the linked photo you attached, the photo certainly does not show them as they were found, in situ, but as having clearly been sorted and moved together against that wall at some later time. There’s no scarring on that wall, and also what appears to be a new pink trash bag (which should have melted from the heat) behind them. The earlier site photos show no such thing.

    This (from skepticproject.com) is not a photo from the actual incident, but of a stack of collected debris taken at some later date, by which time almost anything could have been “planted” into the debris on the cordoned-off site.

    So yes, it is entirely possible that the hubs were planted.

    If you are as careful – and skeptical – as you claim to be, this photo is a rickety one to use as your supporting evidence.

    And to have gotten it from “skepticproject.com” ….. Oh my lordy – that’s just too, too funny. You're braver than I thought.

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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    I think it may well be possible that whatever weaponry was used to vaporize whole steel and concrete beams of the WTCs (don't argue - just check any of the hundreds of vids on youtube that show this happening without a doubt), may have also been involved in the other incidences of 9/11. This may explain some of what we see.

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    Quote "And don't try to say these were preplanted parts, it is impossible."
    But 9/11 in itself was possible? That makes no sense - of course plants are possible.
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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    Bill, if I may ask...what is your take on 9/11?? Do you believe the official account?? Do you think it was an inside job (so to speak)?? Did the US gov't actually do it to themselves....or was it actually terrorists (but the govt knew about it in advance and allowed it to happen)?? I'd be interested to know your opinion here.

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    Hi Dave, just jumping in to link to one of Bill's earlier posts - he is clear that it is an inside job. I cannot see how anyone in their right mind, who actually looks at the evidence, could conclude otherwise.

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    Quote Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
    Hi Dave, just jumping in to link to one of Bill's earlier posts - he is clear that it is an inside job. I cannot see how anyone in their right mind, who actually looks at the evidence, could conclude otherwise.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...470#post545470
    My apologies, CD. I hadn't read the entire thread. Ahhh, yes...the Elizabeth Nelson interview....I have it on my hard drive and I've brought it up in discussions with others many times. I've always thought Flight 93 was shot down. What I grapple with though, is were there terrorist highjackers involved (with all the planes) or not?? Perhaps Henry Deacon was right and the planes were being controlled remotely...but controlled by who?? The US Gov't?? By Bush, et el?? I have a slightly hard time buying into that. Perhaps by some faction within the govt (on a very deep level....illuminati/NWO ....not related to a Presidential level). Again, were terrorist highjackers involved?? I believe they were...but then it could have been hand in hand with people here in the West. Perhaps there were highjackers but things were helped along by other parties (black ops). Perhaps John Lear was correct in that the towers were brought down by futuristic WOMD disintegration weaponry. Perhaps it all ties in together. I just don't see how the US govt (on a presidential level) could be behind this on their own as a so called inside job.

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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

    I think that "inside job" is clumsy nomenclature but its the most well known-phrase, so I guess we're stuck with it.
    Only the easy questions, eh?!
    I have no idea who really did it, any more than I can tell you who conspired to kill JFK. The short answer is, a whole bunch of people.
    Two quick points:
    "Terrorists" is wrong - they spent a lot of time partying in Vegas before 9/11 so deep convinctions about anything probably not their main motivation. "Mercenaries" probably a better description.
    I haven't read it yet, but from her interviews I think that Judy Wood's Where did the Towers Go? may be onto something. In other words, exotic weapons were involved.

    Anyway. Tactically, stage 1 is to convince people that the official story is a lie. Don't think you have to complete stage 2 (who did it?) in order to achieve stage 1. That is too much of a reach. Gotta stay empirical.

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    Default Re: 9/11: The Official Account of the Pentagon Attack is a Fantasy

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    Hi Dave, just jumping in to link to one of Bill's earlier posts - he is clear that it is an inside job. I cannot see how anyone in their right mind, who actually looks at the evidence, could conclude otherwise.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...470#post545470
    My apologies, CD. I hadn't read the entire thread. Ahhh, yes...the Elizabeth Nelson interview....I have it on my hard drive and I've brought it up in discussions with others many times. I've always thought Flight 93 was shot down. What I grapple with though, is were there terrorist highjackers involved (with all the planes) or not?? Perhaps Henry Deacon was right and the planes were being controlled remotely...but controlled by who?? The US Gov't?? By Bush, et el?? I have a slightly hard time buying into that. Perhaps by some faction within the govt (on a very deep level....illuminati/NWO ....not related to a Presidential level). Again, were terrorist highjackers involved?? I believe they were...but then it could have been hand in hand with people here in the West. Perhaps there were highjackers but things were helped along by other parties (black ops). Perhaps John Lear was correct in that the towers were brought down by futuristic WOMD disintegration weaponry. Perhaps it all ties in together. I just don't see how the US govt (on a presidential level) could be behind this on their own as a so called inside job.

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    My 2 cents is that 'the Presidential level' is the puppet level. Only the select of that level even have comprehension. Does that help?
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