Sex at Dawn, an Anthropological Review of Sex

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by EnergyGardener (here)
Love is a Decision, Not an Emotion

This, this I resonate with so much- the choice, always choice, not some random lottery of chemicals and programming.

Choice and consciousness, always gorgeous...

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by write4change (here)

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

I was watching this and realising that my non-human nature was watching and feeling really puzzled about it. I honestly can't read the energy signals in most of this- that's nothing new, there's a lot that I don't understand energetically about some practices- but I hadn't realised that the 'untrained' way I do tantra is vastly different from other practices. It also makes me curious that I feel adaptations of these sorts of practices would be possible for me with a *female*, but not a male. I simply have never experienced males being able to truly hold this kind of space in a way that doesn't feel- manipulative? Weird? Off signal? I can't really explain it, although I do recognise a completely different energetic signal if I tune into the Otherrealms.

Posted by write4change (here)
What you are feeling is this is not real. These two people have no connection whatsoever other than professionals who want to do a basic illustration that is not controversial. Time wise it is also very compressed--less than eight minutes with something normally would last at least an hour.

What you see is an interaction that few contemplate much less do. A long porn session is 15 minutes. And average homemade porn with great intensity is 5. What I learned from all the net porn available is that people will stare wide eyed at the camera but never look at their partner. Men who are supposed to be so obessed with breasts rarely touch them. Women do more touching of themselves while men are screwing them, then men experiencing the female body.

My husband was a good lover. He could do a good intense 15 minutes even at 70 but this annointing of the senses, sharing the breath, opening the body etc for hours was something he tried once or twice when he was 58. And he was done with that. It was not in his vocabulary. LOL

My husband was probably one of the last old school guys who learned initially in what was quite common until the 50s. Television did not tell us like it is---it told us what it wanted us to believe. That all married coules slept in twin beds, that sex really was for procreation, that pregnancy was a word not to be used in public much less seen, etc. This is the world the fundies yearn for total control and total repression, and if you are to believe the art, the novels, the movies etc coming out of that period totally miserable.

On my husband's sixteenth birthday, his father took him for a week to New Orleans. There he gave him over to one of the best brothels of the city and departed, returning in a week to reclaim the new man. This was the father's favorite places to visit and he had periodically over the decades. He knew the women and they knew him. They were clean, self respecting, self caring, healthful and felt they had a good job to do. First, allowing men to stay married to their very frigid wives who were a product of the society of repression. Second, making sure their sons knew all the ins and outs of how various women functioned so the son could bring pleasure to his many loves and have the desire to love many. My husband visited high class call girls all his life until he met me and then he openly told me what he felt for me would not last. LOL Some of my husband's greatest stories is going hunting with his father. Which meant exchanging tales of the brothels as equals. What is also known is the wife and mother knew this and did not give a hoot as long as it was away from home territory and she was not bothered by it. My husband's family was reasonably well to do and growing up all his friends had parents with separate bedrooms. I thought my parents shared a bed because they were poor. LOL

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
Now I'm curious as to what that is.... *wanders off to play with the frequency*

Posted by write4change (here)
I hope this works as I can see I messed up the quote and do not know what to do about it.

Clearly in tribes, Oceania, and ancient India, the old taught the young. It was grandfathers and grandmothers who were mentors to the young who mostly lived in communial type dormatories and were free to experiment while reaching maturity when they would then make mature choices having worked that out growing up. For sure this was practiced to the 1870s and there are many written accounts of what was found by the missionaries and their horror of it etc. It is not beyond the pale that older women had sex with young men and vice versa in a very natural and private way because they were learning. And it would be private because it was recognized that is was all done lovingly and no one was better than the others--just different. Thus, you were free to love who you pleased because love granted you love--it did not come with possessions.

Particularly on successful islands, they had stable populations, abudant food, good weather, and not much labor to survive. Life was good and there was no reason to sweat the small stuff. The only thing the big kahuna had that you did not have was more feathers in his hat and with that came a lot of aggravation. Being a chief was not an asipration, it came from growth and usually was determined by the women of the tribe.

Sort of a nutshell history which we will see what that brings.

I have been moving this around and experienced something this morning that helped me understand more what I'm puzzling about- I have sex multidimensionally, with physical and energetic Beings, simultaneously. If the quality of the physical connections amp, so do the energetic ones, so I'm continuously going up the spiral. I can maintain the energetic connections for ages after the physical ends, so that my etheric body is still involved in what's going on *over there* .

It was cool to discover what was confusing me.

[Kimberley]

Ok... here I goooo..

Just for the record ..if it matters...although it does matter...I will be 54 years young in May...I am a Taurus (for those of you into astrology, as I am).

I discovered orgasm at an early age, as do many. I say I was 3, however my most vivid recollection is at age 6. And I have been bringing my self to orgasm ever since. Sometimes several times a day.

As a mother I witnessed my first born daughter to discover orgasm at about 3 and my second daughter (now 15) to the best of my knowledge has still not discovered it.

I had no clue that orgasm was a sexual thing until 10 years young, when a book was being passed around my 6th grade class titled "The Voyeur" (and I am not finding it yet, I think it was vintage 1967..would love to find it again. It was probably considered a porn book). That book taught me most all I needed to know about sex and never needed to ask. It covered so much ... and was brought to my attention at age 10.

I was never sexually abused, however my mother physically and emotionally abused me big time.. not going there now. Perhaps a story for another time.

After reading The Voyeur book and connecting the dots that my orgasms could be brought on with the help of another I was so wanting a partner to do that with me. That did not happen until I was 14 .. so I was wanting, longing, waiting for 4 years before I had my first kiss... and then at 14 I finally hooked up with my first lover, Frank... Frank and I explored each other many days a week. My only rule was no penile penetration, because I knew that the only true way to avoid pregnancy was NO penetration/intercourse. I had no way to get birth control, due to my age. And due to my mother. So I like Bill Clinton believed that I was not having sex if I was not having intercourse. I was technically a virgin (in my definition) until I was 19. Frank and I did every thing but.... oral stimulation was what it was all about. He and I spoke a couple of years ago and he blames me for premature ejaculation because of our oral encounters.. heheeheh

Well, it was not until my teen years that I started to hear that others were being told/taught that masturbation was a sin. For me I thought how could that be that I as a 3 year old child that discovered masturbation and orgasm could be a sinner??? Yikes!!! No way is a 3 year old child a sinner!!! Myself included. And because of those early years I never though of sex as being "bad", because it brought such pleasure to me and my partner/s.

ok...I am not a writer..I am a talker.. and I will continue at another time...as I have so much more to say...

So this time I am saying follow what feels right for you!!!

Thank you W4C and all....

More to come... pun intended!!!

XOXOXO
Much love

[Paul]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
a book was being passed around my 6th grade class titled "The Voyeur" (and I am not finding it yet, I think it was vintage 1967..would love to find it again.

Perhaps it was one of these two:

• The Voyeur, by Henry Sutton (1969)
• Voyeur, by Jim Conroy (1967)

[Kimberley]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Kimberley (here)
a book was being passed around my 6th grade class titled "The Voyeur" (and I am not finding it yet, I think it was vintage 1967..would love to find it again.

Perhaps it was one of these two:

• The Voyeur, by Henry Sutton (1969)
• Voyeur, by Jim Conroy (1967)

Wow thank you Paul! I am pretty sure it is the Henry Sutton one... I just ordered it ! I found a description of the other book and it does not fit.

I can not tell from the cover because the book that went around the whole 6th grade had a fake black cover on it. I'll let you know after I get my copy. I hope it is the right book as I would love to read it again and report back. For me as a 10 year old it was a monumental book for my sexual awakening. Because no one talked about sex to a 10 year old in the mid 60's.

My step father caught me reading it under the covers with a flashlight. And I begged him not to tell my mother (she would have killed me even though she never spoke of sex, I knew she would have been appalled. And in hind sight it might have been good for her if she had read it hehehe)...he did not tell her.

Before reading this book I had already been reading his playboy magazines "Hidden" in his dresser drawer. I made 3 sets of pasties and g-strings for me and 2 of my friends also when in 6th grade. I wanted to take Polaroid photos of the 3 of us. I never asked them so therefore no photos. I think it was the combination of the playboy magazines and the book...and my new made connection about what my orgasms were a part of.

And because of the erotic book that put one and one together for me I would bring myself to orgasm after reading it.....and a lot of other books since..

Your research Paul got me to this blog http://ilyasanugraha.blogspot.com/ that uses that book in its analysis of what is literature...So it fits in my memory of the book... we will soon see. Again I sure hope it is the same book...

Some who are reading this thread and my posts might be asking "Why is she sharing all of this?". I stated this earlier and will state it again...Sexual repression is IMO the biggest deceiver/deception and controlling mechanisms that the human race has endured and still endures. Sexuality and love are tied at the hip and the heart This is one of the areas of humanity that needs to be revealed. exposed, and uncovered. (The pun did not appear to me until after I wrote the words hehe).

I have had to shed a lot of false beliefs to get to where I am today. (and that is still a work in progress). Even though I was hearing all the talk about no sex until marriage and to be a good girl vs a bad girl, I could not let go of my knowing that to love another and want to be intimate with others was a "bad" thing. It is not a "bad" thing it is the most powerful exchange of creative, loving energy on the planet.

And we have been mislead in the name of control and guilt and jealousy and possessiveness and fear (all lower vibrating energy's) around our sexuality. So I am doing my part to shed light on this deception.

The religions and the government have held us down by controlling our sexual nature. My connection to my innate sexual energy and not buying into what I was being told was right or wrong was my first step of self discovery and understanding of my sovereignty to remember who I am!

Thank you for remembering who you are and how powerful you are!!

Follow your heart...follow your dreams!!

I'll be back with more soon...

Much love to us all!

And a special thank you to W4C...you have inspired me to share my side of the story...I am not as a prolific writer as you, however I am so enjoying contributing to this important thread. And thank you to all that are contributing their experiences, and asking questions and pondering this important topic.

[write4change]

Kimberly,

My writing maybe prolific but yours is authentic, spontaneous, and heartfelt. We are different not one better than other but different and that difference is important, desirable, and necessary to develop the big picture which for all the reasons you state was not available to most people. If I were a young person just learning about sex, I would already know about how of sex it is every where but I would be reading this because I would not know about the why of sex which even the best of parents finds too personal and intimate to convey.

So I spontaneously bounce off your take on masturbation:

We fired a surgeon general the same difference in our ages as the firing for speaking about masturbation publicly.

One of her last really big scoring shows for Oprah was a series on masturbation. They got there by doing an expose on oral sex among teens particularly teen girls who were really getting nothing but risk about doing this. By the time this showed aired I had already been exposed years ago to this youth concept and understanding that a goodnight kiss was more intimate than oral sex. And I am asking where and how did these kids get such screwed up thinking?

Oprah's show was very revealing to me: expert opinions, the girls invovled willing to be public, the audience reaction, etc. The double standards for boys and girls. My reactions -- hair standing on end etc.

It has probably been close to five years ago and I have notes stuck somewhere and I am not going to look for them because I still have an deep emotional reaction enough to remember what I think about what I think I saw.

The double standard for boys and girls is just about as deep today as it was when I was growing up. Boys can't help themselves and begin as babies because it is all hanging out. Girls don't spontaneously do this and it can be prevented. A girl's body must be preserved and it must remain innocent and a boy's is built on learning experience and he is taught to give it up and girls are taught not to do it in the first place.

Coming from a catholic background, being washed by grandmother and then washing with other older girls, and then watching babies being washed -- I learned that this was all so necessary and was really dirty and not to be touched and must always use a lot of soap on a big washcloth. By the time first communion comes about age 7, catholics have learned the term self abuse and that this is a major sin requiring regular confession. After the Kinsley report around 55, catholic teaching on this faded into silence until around 1980 and it is now back with a vengence.

So why is something which should be so private something that is coming back for public discussion? This is a true case of it harming no one. And we know for sure the old wives takes about it are totally false. Particularly for men -- masturbation -- does not make them want women less. For men masturbation on a whole is like a prepping point necessary to learning and growing and understanding their sexuality. Now why wouldn't it be a prepping point for women too? And why wouldn't it be a private issue?

And while oral sex is a bugaboo why have they not gone after that with the vengence of masturbation and birth control? Well for one in the South where all this begins in the US, they had concocted this idea that oral sex was never mentioned or described in the bible and therefore, it was't a sex sin. Thus, you could be satisfied without loosing your virginity. At Pepperdine which is a Church of Christ university, I have heard some pretty sophisticated discussion among 20 something women about all this technical virgin stuff. How they talk makes me shutter and I am glad I did not have to cope with that. A lot of why they do this seems to be there is no easy or acceptable way to say no if you are basically beyond the casual date. Their big debate is swallowing or no. What I hear is that it creates no bonding whatsoever with the people involved. The guy gets his rocks off and girl keeps her virginity and her reputation. My observations is that there is not much liking about this on either side. Just a quick and easy accomodation.

Then the other thing is that we know a whole lot more about sex and its imprinting than we ever did thanks to MRIs and chemical studies. True bonding takes place in the brain when sufficient triggers cause oxytocin to be released in the brain which is very bonding for women. Now if you keep young women from touching themselves, the first guy who knows enough or has enough control to get her really off, floods her brain with oxytocin and she thinks the one who can do this is the one she loves. Women who learn to masturbate well, generally can do a better job than any male. And she does not regard the male with awe because of it. However, this is the kicker--for a woman a good masturbatory orgasm does not "flood" her brain with bonding--it does release oxytocin but not to the extent of a sexual mating. Males also get oxytocin in their brains from having a good sexual mating. For men that happens only when they feel safe.

Men have missionary sex because it allowed them to see what was happening. Many tantric positions allow the male to see the penis doing its work and the reception it is receiving. It also allowed them to jump up and leave quickly which was often needed to save their lives from predators of their own kind, as well as, being attacked by lions, tigers, and bears who saw them being vulnerable to what they were doing. This has evolved in this day and age to a woman who is highly receptive to him mentally, emotionally, psychologically, as well as, physically. In other words, good sex for both people requires real intimacy something society is slowly robbing us of being capable of. Great sex is set off by the brain which usually requires more than a one night stand. For me learning how to be really intimate took a really long time. My experience shows me that to be really intimate you have to be a whole integrated person who is united in their own core of heart mind body and soul. Then you have to find another whole integrated adult who desires who you are. This is very difficult. Some people are lucky and grow together and get there. Most people settle for domestic tranquility. Some people keep searching. Some people are too afraid to find for themselves much less search for another and pragmatic sex works just fine for them. While I have not yet read the book there is such a thing in my mind as being an ethical s l u t for both sexes. That is my preverence because it is both honest and authentic which is a good beginning.

So why this thing about masturbation? Because no matter what the facts of anatomy or history tell us about who we are the catholic church and other fundamentalist religions fear anything that would sanction sex is for pleasure. If you sanction sex even for personal private pleasure you are loosening the bonds of repression and control by fear and guilt.

The DMT molecule is naturally made in our bodies and there is no zero zip nada evidence of it being addictive. But it does lead to crossing into other dimensions that change the whole nature of how an individual sees the world and himself. So why is it banned substance? Why is getting to do even research with it a highly difficult process? Why do people like the authors of this book live in Barcelona, Spain? Why is it only about 30 people can admitted to reading this thread or even being interested?

Why is movement feared? There is now definitive studies about the rejection of movement and dancing free form from the time of Constantine. Free form dancing only got reintroduced back into society with much trepidation and "rebellion" with modern dance about 100 years ago. Ballet and other forms of dance particularly in West is about disciplining concentrating the mind and the body to forms or proscribed movement.

god help us all --- sex, drugs, and rock roll -- evidence of the devil. Rebellion of those seeking to integrated their own heart mind body and souls.

[Kimberley]

Hello folks this is a very important thread!!! Much love!!!

[HORIZONS]

...sex, drugs, and rock roll -- evidence of the devil. Rebellion of those seeking to integrated their own heart mind body and souls.

Well you summed up my life motto when I was in High School and collage - and as the child of a Reverend (Preachers kid) you can bet I did not get any good education in any of these matters, and so I became a rebel with a cause - the cause to experience life and not be controlled. I would always state to others, "sex, drugs and rock-n-roll, but not necessarily in that order" - as each one was important to me in various ways. Rock music was my first love in my life, and I became a good Rock musician - drugs was next and played a big part in who I was at that time, then came the sex, and like my music I eventually learned that it really is an art, and that you need to be creative and giving to succeed, and if you are a right-brained artist like me you will continue to explore new avenues of technique to further your artistic expression. This is how it works for me anyway. This is why that even though I am in my 50's I still desire to grow in my understanding of these things - hence the thread on tantric sexuality I started. I want to continue to learn and grow in areas of my life that have to do with expression of beingness, and sexuality fits into this in a big way.

This is an important thread, and I agree that sexuality has been repressed!!! and that this repression has, and still is, the cause of much unneeded drama and problematic relationships in our lives, and in the world - some places more than others.

Not everyone is the same in their expression, and not everyone responds to sexuality in the same fashion as well, and because of this - and with the sexual mind programing that goes on - people do not really know or understand what they want, nor how to express themselves in the sexual relationship. Without this subject being openly taught in a mature matter, and with sexuality being hidden under the rug, so to speak, we have all kinds of concepts about sex, and most of them are unfounded and based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. This needs to change.

There is still much to learn and understand, but alas we live in such a closed and controlled society that this is a slow process, for this has been kept from us from those that believe they know better; and it seems to me that there is only a few individuals here and there that share in this desire to learn and grow - especially in this area - but maybe it will come out of the closet for good one day. True intimacy is a rare thing, and many are fearful of this high state of being - as many people fear what they do not understand.

Thank you all for sharing - much peace to you.

PS. I have stated for many years, in my desire to understand, that love is a commitment - a choice that we must consciously make.

[minkton]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)

True intimacy is a rare thing, and many are fearful of this high state of being - as many people fear what they do not understand.


PS. I have stated for many years, in my desire to understand, that love is a commitment - a choice that we must consciously make.

Hi Horizons. There is information about sex everywhere. It is devalued so that it is a fun recreation and No Strings Attached is practised widely and by many as if it were a law, and the amount of emotional zombification that happens as a result is a horror.. witness the amount of anti depressants, anti anxiety meds and eating disorders that young women routinely suffer as their psyche rebels against the tyranny of impersonality foisted upon them. There is no menu of choice, for so many. It is "friends with Benefits' or "open relationships" and often girls are railroaded in to those types of set ups ... and all this so often when people do not have the emotional maturity or true desire to be living in this way. My point here is in response to what you say about intimacy.

It is in the area of INTIMACY that the radical personal growth happens, and this is why sexual variety and dispersal of sexual attentions is being toted as "freedom" = because it shuts down feeling, atrophies the ability to trust,open, share and bond.

I feel sad that intimacy is on the decrease to such a startling degree. It is easy to arrange a zipless **** for every night of the week. But find someone to be intimate with... yikes. needle haystack.

I speak as someone with teenage children and lots of friends with children in the same age group, and someone aware of divorced people trying to strike up relationships and finding instead interpersonal exploitation and sexual tourism
as the norm.

If only people could actually visually see the entirety of a person, including their grief stored in their lung tissues and their pain in their heart centres, instead of just looking at the gym - body and the hairstyle.. maybe humanity would be less cavalier of one another.

Again, I have to state that I dont come from a sexually repressive social group or background, so my experience isnt one in which me or my peers have had to fight to overcome negative sexual conditioning, this probably makes my 'take' on the current sexual scene different from someone being relieved to see natural impulses not repressed. But I think natural impulses in the realm of the heart and very repressed, and the movemnt is about cutting a whole human being into parts so that their heart and soul are spliced and compartmentalised away from their genitals.

[another bob]

A thoughtful article from 2003 by Bernie Prior about the union of man and woman, based first and foremost on Honesty:

I say that truth or enlightenment - the enlightened state - is available in union as man and woman. Why else would there be man and woman? And for me to make such a statement means it can’t be something that I’ve read or heard from some other Master, it must be something that I know in the living experience of my own life – in other words, a holy, wholly relationship between man and woman and who it is at the core of our being. I must have experienced this with woman for I am a man. This is how I come to know what I know – through direct experience - and the only way that I’ll ever reach you is to live what I know. Living love, living truth is the only way that you’ll ever reach anyone - reach your children’s, children’s children.

Now if we have a look in our own lives and we don’t judge anything that we see - we just look, and we look on the world scene - then we are going to see what’s really manifesting on this Earth is a reflection of how man and woman are living together. For me, as I’m travelling this globe, that is the core of what I’m teaching -that man and woman can set this Earth free if only they would know what they are doing together, if only they would come home to core honesty as individuals. If they would honestly return to that place in themselves as Man and Woman - not from a conceptual idea, but from a living reality - they would set this Earth free.

So what does that mean? Have a look man and woman at how you are living. Do you really know what Man is, man? Or are you living just from what your father’s told you, what you’ve read, and all those other forces inside your body that have been dictating the way you live, the way you respond to life and to woman, the way you respond to yourself? Aren’t you reacting just from a bunch of influences, not from the core of your Being as a man?

And woman, have you yet discovered what it is to be Woman? Beyond all your emotional influences, beyond what your parents, and your mother lived - particularly your mother and your grandmother - and beyond all your picking and choosing? And what about the influences of all those men who have shared with you intimately? Do you really know what it is to be Woman? Can you let go of all of that to find out what it is to be at the core as Woman?

If man and woman lived in a real union where both were now truly prepared to let go of their self-concern, to let go of their egoity, what would happen? What would happen if we even let go of any idea of gender? What I say would happen is this; you would be. If you let go of all ideas of who you are as man or woman you would enter being. Then - as you are wearing a particular body, wearing a particular pole of consciousness, a particular guardianship of love, male or female - being would naturally flow into your body as man or woman in a true expression of what it is to be Man and what it is to be Woman. You would return to that place where there is no personal agenda, to that unknown state of pure consciousness.

Of course you can’t do that as a doing, but through simple, living honesty you can drop what you’re holding onto - in your love of being, the being within each other - and let love bring you both home. If you have any agenda whatsoever you’ll fail. You’ll even live together and just compromise. You’ll just live in a dream world. You’ll build yet another world of personal wants, personal movements and self-satisfaction. But maybe you’ll have had enough of that by now? Maybe you want only the reality of that which is absolutely real? If you’ve had just the tiniest touch of reality, you know - for when you are touched by love it’s unmistakable. It undoes everything that you ever thought you were. It undoes every place to go and every place that you’ve come from. It’s an un-doer. It completely undoes you - as an ego expression, as the old man and the old woman. Then you recognise the sweetness of your being.

To know the being is a true potential in a real relationship for one who is devoted to absolute truth and not to personal agenda – in other words, what you can get from each other or what you’re going to give to each other in the future. To find yourself at the core of being as man and woman, to live from that place and express it, you must see that you have no future. You have no future. What you have is completely and utterly here now, right where you are. That’s the door into the eternal. That’s the door into the full flavour of life - where you are right now, in this reflection together.

Man and woman must live together from the Mystery - that which doesn’t have a date when you got together, or a date when he left you, when she left you, but that which lives from the unknown, completely and utterly now - and yet is able to live in this world. Living from that alone will bring new life to this world and a new manifestation - first as an individual and then - if the Will allows - as a complete expression of a new humanity. A new humanity now in beingness and not in egoity, in union and not in separation, in the absolute knowing and living of love. Not love as emotion or some mental idea but love as the true state of being of man and woman. All this is available in man and woman, completely available in a real relationship together - a way of living in absoluteness, in the holiness of truly being God-Man and God-Woman. But it’s earned. And it’s earned through self letting go. Letting go of the distortion. Letting go of all those ideas that you have as a woman or as a man. Letting go of all of that and being fresh and new in every moment, no matter how cloudy your mind and emotions might get.

It takes a lot of honesty. And it takes a lot of truly seeing in this moment what is absolutely real. The only way you’ll ever see what truly is real is complete honesty. It’s so simple. Honesty is the key to love. Honesty to your Self is the only thing that cuts deep enough to open you to what is living as truth inside you. The power of pure honesty is the healing power of the entire universe. In being honest to God, being honest to that little place you know is true in you, you’ll enter into that that you really are - the cupbearer that’s bringing the living spirit untainted with conditioning to this Earth living as Man or Woman.

[Kimberley]

Bob,

Thank you for your lovely reminder of how to live in the now and its connection with infinity!

Much love to us all, always and in all way!!

[HORIZONS]

Living love, living truth is the only way that you’ll ever reach anyone - reach your children’s, children’s children.

Thank you another bob! This is a tremendously enlightened statement!!!

It takes a lot of honesty. And it takes a lot of truly seeing in this moment what is absolutely real. The only way you’ll ever see what truly is real is complete honesty. It’s so simple. Honesty is the key to love. Honesty to your Self is the only thing that cuts deep enough to open you to what is living as truth inside you. The power of pure honesty is the healing power of the entire universe. In being honest to God, being honest to that little place you know is true in you, you’ll enter into that that you really are - the cupbearer that’s bringing the living spirit untainted with conditioning to this Earth living as Man or Woman.

Great article bob - thanks for sharing this - I think I'll save a copy and save it in my memoirs for future reference, and to pass on to my children’s, children’s children.

[another bob]

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[Carmody]

And while oral sex is a bugaboo why have they not gone after that with the vengence of masturbation and birth control? Well for one in the South where all this begins in the US, they had concocted this idea that oral sex was never mentioned or described in the bible and therefore, it was't a sex sin. Thus, you could be satisfied without loosing your virginity. At Pepperdine which is a Church of Christ university, I have heard some pretty sophisticated discussion among 20 something women about all this technical virgin stuff. How they talk makes me shutter and I am glad I did not have to cope with that. A lot of why they do this seems to be there is no easy or acceptable way to say no if you are basically beyond the casual date. Their big debate is swallowing or no. What I hear is that it creates no bonding whatsoever with the people involved. The guy gets his rocks off and girl keeps her virginity and her reputation. My observations is that there is not much liking about this on either side. Just a quick and easy accomodation.

anthropologically, genetically.. and thus socially...the southern states (and the USA) are based on a large number of very problematic and wrong headed puritans that were literally kicked out of England, as they were more trouble than they were worth.

This has cascaded today into this weakness of individualism and reasoned/seasoned thought, that is a bizarre twist... done as an old west gunslinging individualist egotistical paranoia, combined with very odd social structure of killing those who do not conform to the norm. It is obvious to those outside of the USA, that it is writ large among certain groups of US citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan

[EnergyGardener]

Another Bob.

I'll agree to stay off this thread if you do.

Nothing like two pious old guys throwing a wet blanket on a women's sex thread.

[Kimberley]

Posted by EnergyGardener (here)
Another Bob.

I'll agree to stay off this thread if you do.

Nothing like two pious old guys throwing a wet blanket on a women's sex thread.

This is NOT a women's sex thread and males are welcome and encouraged to participate!!

We are at a time of balancing the divine feminine and the divine masculine....so all genders are welcome here!!!

And all genders are needed to move into the new...

Much love to us all!!!

[Rantaak]

Posted by Solstyse (here)

Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by Solstyse (here)
Some people find sex with consenting adults, unnatural. They look for other outlets.
Some people find sobriety unnatural. They like drugs.
Others find the whole world unnatural. They like killing.
It's just there nature right?
Just because it's our nature doesn't make it right.

Some people find freedom unnatural. They like to tell other people what's "right". On planet earth, we have masturbation police.

But more poignantly, sobriety is drugs. Consciousness is directly linked to the chemical phenomena undergone by the brain - with the higher self as the piloting guide and ultimate author. Natural (endogenous) drugs are natural. Unnatural (synthetic) drugs aren't, unless they metabolize into an endogenous compound.

Killing is an impulse driven by lower chakras - the advancement of spirituality allows us to overcome these baser desires.

Only in a world of duality do we believe in such nonsense as, "right and wrong." These are figments of the brain.

In a world of unity, everything is.

There is universal right and wrong.

Not in my universe.

Posted by Solstyse (here)

And accountability for ones actions is paramount.

If by "accountability for" you mean "being aware of," then sure, but this point seems irrelevant.

Posted by Solstyse (here)
You live in this world of duality if you don't like it then ascend already

What a clever way of asking someone to die! Tee-hee!
But it also shows that you have a predisposed notion of ascension which may create difficulty down the line for you. Death is not the only way out.

Posted by Solstyse (here)
And as far as me I refuse to be unified with a serial rapist or murder or well I can't get too deep into it, people get there feelings hurt

This is why the world is at it is today. Unity is ecstasy just as much as it is suffering and treachery (and well, technically everything else too)
If you demonize the other, you separate yourself from Unity. It is an impulse of fear that we are all in the process of overcoming.

[Moz]

another bob: thanks for the overview. It is much appreciated.

A big hug,
Moz

[Kimberley]

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Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by Solstyse (here)
You live in this world of duality if you don't like it then ascend already

What a clever way of asking someone to die! Tee-hee!
But it also shows that you have a predisposed notion of ascension which may create difficulty down the line for you. Death is not the only way out.

It was you who imputed death to Solstyse's post. If death is not the only way out, how are you so sure he was 'asking' you to die when he said ascend? You are not debating with Solstyse but with what you imagine Solstyse is saying. That will only create difficulty down the line for you.