Choice and consciousness, always gorgeous...
Posted by write4change (here)
Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
I was watching this and realising that my non-human nature was watching and feeling really puzzled about it. I honestly can't read the energy signals in most of this- that's nothing new, there's a lot that I don't understand energetically about some practices- but I hadn't realised that the 'untrained' way I do tantra is vastly different from other practices. It also makes me curious that I feel adaptations of these sorts of practices would be possible for me with a *female*, but not a male. I simply have never experienced males being able to truly hold this kind of space in a way that doesn't feel- manipulative? Weird? Off signal? I can't really explain it, although I do recognise a completely different energetic signal if I tune into the Otherrealms.Posted by write4change (here)
What you are feeling is this is not real. These two people have no connection whatsoever other than professionals who want to do a basic illustration that is not controversial. Time wise it is also very compressed--less than eight minutes with something normally would last at least an hour.
What you see is an interaction that few contemplate much less do. A long porn session is 15 minutes. And average homemade porn with great intensity is 5. What I learned from all the net porn available is that people will stare wide eyed at the camera but never look at their partner. Men who are supposed to be so obessed with breasts rarely touch them. Women do more touching of themselves while men are screwing them, then men experiencing the female body.
My husband was a good lover. He could do a good intense 15 minutes even at 70 but this annointing of the senses, sharing the breath, opening the body etc for hours was something he tried once or twice when he was 58. And he was done with that. It was not in his vocabulary. LOL
My husband was probably one of the last old school guys who learned initially in what was quite common until the 50s. Television did not tell us like it is---it told us what it wanted us to believe. That all married coules slept in twin beds, that sex really was for procreation, that pregnancy was a word not to be used in public much less seen, etc. This is the world the fundies yearn for total control and total repression, and if you are to believe the art, the novels, the movies etc coming out of that period totally miserable.
On my husband's sixteenth birthday, his father took him for a week to New Orleans. There he gave him over to one of the best brothels of the city and departed, returning in a week to reclaim the new man. This was the father's favorite places to visit and he had periodically over the decades. He knew the women and they knew him. They were clean, self respecting, self caring, healthful and felt they had a good job to do. First, allowing men to stay married to their very frigid wives who were a product of the society of repression. Second, making sure their sons knew all the ins and outs of how various women functioned so the son could bring pleasure to his many loves and have the desire to love many. My husband visited high class call girls all his life until he met me and then he openly told me what he felt for me would not last. LOL Some of my husband's greatest stories is going hunting with his father. Which meant exchanging tales of the brothels as equals. What is also known is the wife and mother knew this and did not give a hoot as long as it was away from home territory and she was not bothered by it. My husband's family was reasonably well to do and growing up all his friends had parents with separate bedrooms. I thought my parents shared a bed because they were poor. LOLPosted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
Now I'm curious as to what that is.... *wanders off to play with the frequency*Posted by write4change (here)
I hope this works as I can see I messed up the quote and do not know what to do about it.
Clearly in tribes, Oceania, and ancient India, the old taught the young. It was grandfathers and grandmothers who were mentors to the young who mostly lived in communial type dormatories and were free to experiment while reaching maturity when they would then make mature choices having worked that out growing up. For sure this was practiced to the 1870s and there are many written accounts of what was found by the missionaries and their horror of it etc. It is not beyond the pale that older women had sex with young men and vice versa in a very natural and private way because they were learning. And it would be private because it was recognized that is was all done lovingly and no one was better than the others--just different. Thus, you were free to love who you pleased because love granted you love--it did not come with possessions.
Particularly on successful islands, they had stable populations, abudant food, good weather, and not much labor to survive. Life was good and there was no reason to sweat the small stuff. The only thing the big kahuna had that you did not have was more feathers in his hat and with that came a lot of aggravation. Being a chief was not an asipration, it came from growth and usually was determined by the women of the tribe.
Sort of a nutshell history which we will see what that brings.
I have been moving this around and experienced something this morning that helped me understand more what I'm puzzling about- I have sex multidimensionally, with physical and energetic Beings, simultaneously. If the quality of the physical connections amp, so do the energetic ones, so I'm continuously going up the spiral. I can maintain the energetic connections for ages after the physical ends, so that my etheric body is still involved in what's going on *over there* .
It was cool to discover what was confusing me.
Last edited by songsfortheotherkind; 24th March 2012 at 07:04.
Ok... here I goooo..
Just for the record ..if it matters...although it does matter...I will be 54 years young in May...I am a Taurus (for those of you into astrology, as I am).
I discovered orgasm at an early age, as do many. I say I was 3, however my most vivid recollection is at age 6. And I have been bringing my self to orgasm ever since. Sometimes several times a day.
As a mother I witnessed my first born daughter to discover orgasm at about 3 and my second daughter (now 15) to the best of my knowledge has still not discovered it.
I had no clue that orgasm was a sexual thing until 10 years young, when a book was being passed around my 6th grade class titled "The Voyeur" (and I am not finding it yet, I think it was vintage 1967..would love to find it again. It was probably considered a porn book). That book taught me most all I needed to know about sex and never needed to ask. It covered so much ... and was brought to my attention at age 10.
I was never sexually abused, however my mother physically and emotionally abused me big time.. not going there now. Perhaps a story for another time.
After reading The Voyeur book and connecting the dots that my orgasms could be brought on with the help of another I was so wanting a partner to do that with me. That did not happen until I was 14 .. so I was wanting, longing, waiting for 4 years before I had my first kiss... and then at 14 I finally hooked up with my first lover, Frank... Frank and I explored each other many days a week. My only rule was no penile penetration, because I knew that the only true way to avoid pregnancy was NO penetration/intercourse. I had no way to get birth control, due to my age. And due to my mother. So I like Bill Clinton believed that I was not having sex if I was not having intercourse. I was technically a virgin (in my definition) until I was 19. Frank and I did every thing but.... oral stimulation was what it was all about. He and I spoke a couple of years ago and he blames me for premature ejaculation because of our oral encounters.. heheeheh
Well, it was not until my teen years that I started to hear that others were being told/taught that masturbation was a sin. For me I thought how could that be that I as a 3 year old child that discovered masturbation and orgasm could be a sinner??? Yikes!!! No way is a 3 year old child a sinner!!! Myself included. And because of those early years I never though of sex as being "bad", because it brought such pleasure to me and my partner/s.
ok...I am not a writer..I am a talker.. and I will continue at another time...as I have so much more to say...
So this time I am saying follow what feels right for you!!!
Thank you W4C and all....
More to come... pun intended!!!
Last edited by Kimberley; 24th March 2012 at 02:15.