We Need to Depopulate the Earth

[9eagle9]

Why would on take this personally when its well established they don't perceive us as persons, or people but cattle? Do you honestly think the ptb perceives you as a living breathing personality, or are even aware of your individual existence, that you are anything but a number or a potential resource to them. So why take it personally.

When we get ouf of 'taking things personally' we get out of a reactive state and into responsive one that allows a person to speculate in a bigger picture sort of way . It makes us afraid to see the problem and even less likely to find a solution.

Posted by EnergyGardener (here)
Some of us take it personally when idiots attempt to use assumptions with the existing rules and archaic systems to justify our murder.

Keep writing, please.

At least you are consistent with each other of your intentions and more honest as you antiseptically provide all of your support data.

[EnergyGardener]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Why would on take this personally when its well established they don't perceive us as persons, or people but cattle? Do you honestly think the ptb perceives you as a living breathing personality, or are even aware of your individual existence, that you are anything but a number or a potential resource to them. So why take it personally.

When we get ouf of 'taking things personally' we get out of a reactive state and into responsive one that allows a person to speculate in a bigger picture sort of way . It makes us afraid to see the problem and even less likely to find a solution.

Posted by EnergyGardener (here)
Some of us take it personally when idiots attempt to use assumptions with the existing rules and archaic systems to justify our murder.

Keep writing, please.

At least you are consistent with each other of your intentions and more honest as you antiseptically provide all of your support data.

The premise for this thread assumes all the old circumstances; worse the need to eliminate at least 80% of the population. The title itself is offensive, a taunting challenge to see if the "good" Avalonians will point out the obvious.

Many of us don't anymore, because we have better things to do with our time. On occasion, with the hope PA will lose the likes that make these offensive arguments, we speak out. But, you may note, perhaps to your success, creative threads with real solutions are diminishing. This is certainly not one of them.

[Magnus]

Posted by EnergyGardener (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Why would on take this personally when its well established they don't perceive us as persons, or people but cattle? Do you honestly think the ptb perceives you as a living breathing personality, or are even aware of your individual existence, that you are anything but a number or a potential resource to them. So why take it personally.

When we get ouf of 'taking things personally' we get out of a reactive state and into responsive one that allows a person to speculate in a bigger picture sort of way . It makes us afraid to see the problem and even less likely to find a solution.

Posted by EnergyGardener (here)
Some of us take it personally when idiots attempt to use assumptions with the existing rules and archaic systems to justify our murder.

Keep writing, please.

At least you are consistent with each other of your intentions and more honest as you antiseptically provide all of your support data.

The premise for this thread assumes all the old circumstances; worse the need to eliminate at least 80% of the population. The title itself is offensive, a taunting challenge to see if the "good" Avalonians will point out the obvious.

Many of us don't anymore, because we have better things to do with our time. On occasion, with the hope PA will lose the likes that make these offensive arguments, we speak out. But, you may note, perhaps to your success, creative threads with real solutions are diminishing. This is certainly not one of them.

Many of the "real solutions" could be expected to grow and get improved in the minds of intelligent, openminded Avalon readers, striving for betterment and advanced existence.

Avalon is a source of inspiration and every reader are a potential soldier in this battle.

We all know the tale of David and Goliat, and in the light of this analogy, the impact of posted content and the spirit thereof, are in no doubt gaining irreversible public influence and improvement.

This is the main reason this thread is so important and in demand of high quality parameters such as intelligence, honesty, good moral, and wide perception of facts and personal implications, even if it doesn't on its own, necessarily offer the ultimate solution to the overpopulation issue.

[sygh]

Depopulating is not offensive if its done voluntarily AND doesn't kill people to do it. Everyone naturally got unnerved after reading the Georgia stones, I did too. I mean that really upset me. Then, I realized it was probably someone who worried about the same things we do and put it up as a warning to get people to think, or, if not, to get the one's who survive to think.

I'm not sounding alarmist when I say, it's not a matter of if but when a natural disaster strikes, we could be facing food shortages. We have to think about the other species on the planet, we are not alone. I don't advocate death to smoochie, I don't look at people as if they were fodder for the cannons. I want our children to have a chance to survive. I was taught to look 7 generations ahead before making big, life changing decisions (and small ones too). I look seven generations ahead and if we continue to go the way we are going... it's not a pretty sight, and that's if we even get that far. I'm glad I looked ahead and decided not to have 10 kids. Instead, I decided to have what I (myself) could care for -which was two. Having one or two children is better than having no children. or worse, having a bunch and then have them perish.

Now I suppose I'll get gigged for being taught to look ahead 7 years because 7 is an important illunminati number. Well, it's also important to certain Indian tribes. What can I say, 7 is the number.

[sygh]

Posted by observer (here)
This depopulation agenda is called eugenics and has been a principal thesis of the global elite since long before it was called National Socialism (NAZI)
http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

The question is not, should we depopulate the planet, but, who gets to select which among us are the candidates for the depopulation process?

You are treading in very turbulent waters S-L....

(Warning: Adult Content)

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tncnWp67wQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tncnWp67wQI

Now what you say makes sense. That is a rat in the hole.

[jorr lundstrom]

I wanna say: we have no god given rights. The only rights we have
are the rights we have agreed upon in our societies, and those rights
are disappearing more and more every day. The elite, the church and
all those who seem to belive they are so special doesnt have any god
gioven rights either, even if they believe themselves to have. Im not
afraid to live in a world where its obvious that we have no more rights
than the rabbits in the forrest.

This planet in a finite system, those who believe otherwise I think will
have to check their logic.

There is a limit for how many humans this planet can inhabit, if we want
to live in harmony and want to provide space for other living beings as well.

When John Lennon had the Georgia Guidestones raised, Im sure he
exposed his vision of how this would look like.

We will end in something resembling that vision.

This vision speaks to humans, lived by life, enjoying the marvelous
feeling of being alive.

And I cant immagine that we will live in buildings like those pictured
in the Venus project. These are just archontic rabbit cages for people
who avoids everything natural. I prefer to live like a wild rabbit in
a hobbit house.

There are options for programmed people, either let go of the
programmings, ie letting go of the foreign installation ie this
programmed mind and arriving to the original mind or going down
the sink clinging to the programs. It could be said:"evolve or die".

I do mean exacty wot Ive said above, there is no hidden meaning,
nothing to interprete.

And if you prefer to get upset, its you who are upset. If you believe
the words push any buttons in you. You must first imagine you have
any buttons that can be pushed.

As I say in my signature, Im responsible for wot I say,
not wot you understand.

Everything is rolling out just fine

All is well


Jorr

[blufire]

This planet in a finite system, those who believe otherwise I think will
have to check their logic.

There is a limit for how many humans this planet can inhabit, if we want
to live in harmony and want to provide space for other living beings as well.

When John Lennon had the Georgia Guidestones raised, Im sure he
exposed his vision of how this would look like.

We will end in something resembling that vision.

This vision speaks to humans, lived by life, enjoying the marvelous
feeling of being alive.

Jorr

I resonated with this post but it took me three times to get all the way through it because I kept getting stuck with . . . . .

When John Lennon had the Georgia Guidestones raised, Im sure he
exposed his vision of how this would look like.

Is this true that Lennon had the Guidestones built? Where did you get this information? If it is true this could put a whole new spin for many about the over all message of the Guidestones.

[ulli]

Posted by blufire (here)

This planet in a finite system, those who believe otherwise I think will
have to check their logic.

There is a limit for how many humans this planet can inhabit, if we want
to live in harmony and want to provide space for other living beings as well.

When John Lennon had the Georgia Guidestones raised, Im sure he
exposed his vision of how this would look like.

We will end in something resembling that vision.

This vision speaks to humans, lived by life, enjoying the marvelous
feeling of being alive.

Jorr

I resonated with this post but it took me three times to get all the way through it because I kept getting stuck with . . . . .

When John Lennon had the Georgia Guidestones raised, Im sure he
exposed his vision of how this would look like.

Is this true that Lennon had the Guidestones built? Where did you get this information? If it is true this could put a whole new spin for many about the over all message of the Guidestones.

Alternatively, if this was true it would put a whole new spin for many about the overall message of John Lennon.

[blufire]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by blufire (here)

This planet in a finite system, those who believe otherwise I think will
have to check their logic.

There is a limit for how many humans this planet can inhabit, if we want
to live in harmony and want to provide space for other living beings as well.

When John Lennon had the Georgia Guidestones raised, Im sure he
exposed his vision of how this would look like.

We will end in something resembling that vision.

This vision speaks to humans, lived by life, enjoying the marvelous
feeling of being alive.

Jorr

I resonated with this post but it took me three times to get all the way through it because I kept getting stuck with . . . . .

When John Lennon had the Georgia Guidestones raised, Im sure he
exposed his vision of how this would look like.

Is this true that Lennon had the Guidestones built? Where did you get this information? If it is true this could put a whole new spin for many about the over all message of the Guidestones.

Alternatively, if this was true it would put a whole new spin for many about the overall message of John Lennon.

I hear that ulli . . . . . I have a feeling jorr jolted a few with this statement . . . . I know I can't turn my head off now because I have all his lyrics running fastforward

[Prodigal Son]

It's been mentioned already, but the point cannot be stressed enough: With the release of suppressed technologies, the entire earth can be transformed into lush productive land and she could easily support 20 billion, providing 1.824 acres of land per person.

[wavydome]

Posted by Amity (here)

Posted by wavydome (here)
Seek and ye shall find...

How can i help :D

How, when and where... indeed! (This is a constructive thread IMHO)..
Pictured is a real location on earth-- After the US civil war... yet another depopulation-war...
many returning veterans were determined to rename their own towns
to inspire future generations.

[jorr lundstrom]

I got that piece of information from a well informed friend.
And when I looked into it, I saw that it makes a lot of sense.
There are more than I on this forum who knows about
this connction. LOL
I see the Georgia Guidestones as a positive message about
wots possible , even inevitable. Those who get paranoid
over wots written on them have a lot of unsolved traumas
in their baggage, through which they percieve everything.
There is nothing on the stones about killing anyone, actually.

All is well


Jorr

[blufire]

I respectfully ask you read my post #115 on this thread. I also would ask that you quantify your statement.

Also, even if this is true (your post) how long would it take . . . even if these technologies where immediately released . . . . . for them to be put in place and up and running efficiently? 25, 50, 75, 100 years?

How many will die a miserable death in this meantime . . . what do we do for these poor souls . . . .of which, we most likely will be a part of?

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
It's been mentioned already, but the point cannot be stressed enough: With the release of suppressed technologies, the entire earth can be transformed into lush productive land and she could easily support 20 billion, providing 1.824 acres of land per person.

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
It's been mentioned already, but the point cannot be stressed enough: With the release of suppressed technologies, the entire earth can be transformed into lush productive land and she could easily support 20 billion, providing 1.824 acres of land per person.

I must say I doubt the 20 billion figure. Its not only about people.
Relesing free energy devises at this point I think would lead to
a real disaster. Free energy devises wouldnt make people any wiser.
I equipped with free energy those who have 5 kids today could easily
have 10- 15 kids. Humanity will have free egergy, but not until we
are grown up enough to handle them.

All is well


Jorr

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
I must say I doubt the 20 billion figure. Its not only about people.
Relesing free energy devises at this point I think would lead to
a real disaster. Free energy devises wouldnt make people any wiser.
I equipped with free energy those who have 5 kids today could easily
have 10- 15 kids. Humanity will have free egergy, but not until we
are grown up enough to handle them.
Jorr

It's not just free energy technology. It's technologies that would clean the air, sea and land, turn deserts into lush farmland, and easily turn human waste into energy or fertilizer. And that's just the conservative stuff. In another discussion we could talk about transferring to other planets....

[Prodigal Son]

Hi blufire....

This was your post #115.....

Posted by blufire (here)
Sustainability or to Sustain . . . .sustain means to be able to maintain, continue or keep going.

It has been mentioned on this thread that we could fit the world population in Texas or Rhode Island and this is true BUT what no one has addressed, pragmatically, is what it takes for those 7 billion to have adequate food, water or minimal living conditions.

I am only going to address FEEDING 7 billion people. This post will not take into account the water 7 billion people need or all the other natural resources needed each year to produce materials for homes, cars, electronics fuel etc.

Worldwide there is a total of 36 billion acres of landmass. Of that landmass only 7.68 billion acres is arable or farmable.

As it is now we feed the global population with gmo produced food, which is farmed by the billions of acres with chemicals.

It takes 3 acres, per person, each year to provide that person with a minimal amount of food farmed with this method.

7 billion people X 3 acres = 21 billion acres

To be able to sustain or continue to produce enough food for 7 billion we need 21 billion acres . . . . we are RIGHT NOW 13 billion acres short.

Which is why we have people by the thousands dropping dead every day by malnutrition or starvation.

In order to produce enough food for 7 billion that is sustainable and that also healthy, chemical free, nutrient rich food 12 acres per person is needed.

7 billion people X 12 acres = 84 billion acres

Which puts humanity 76 billion acres short of farmable land and not only that but 40 billion acres short of landmass . . . . . period.

Let’s say we were able to implement FE (free energy) right now and at the same time invent sustainable ways to also farm our oceans. It still would not do us any good. There simply are not enough natural resources to maintain this level of population while maintaining a balanced eco system.

Yes, there are those on this thread who say we can create new farmland by using our forests and deserts etc. True. But, then we are left with a totally destroyed global eco-system . . . . .

Balance?

What happens to the animals and plant life that inhabit those eco systems? What happens to us when we remove that delicate balance of the earth’s eco system? Is this our right? Does this not sound completely self absorbed and over the top greedy?

There are many on this thread saying it is tptb, cabal or whoever that is doing this to us and that it is their fault and they are trying to kill us. Are they? Looks like to me we are doing a pretty good job of it ourselves; we demand cheap food, fuel, technology . . . . . . . .

We don’t have the farmable land or renewable natural resources to maintain this level of population and this fact and is not “their” fault or diabolical scheme.

I am not proposing we start “culling the herd” or depopulating the earth, but I am saying we are way past the tipping point and the result within the next few years will be devastating. There is no “fixing it” even with a boat load of miracles or ‘other’ intervention or free energy.

We are selfish, disillusioned Takers. This is obvious to me. Even with many posting on this thread.

Okay, I don't pretend to be an expert in anything, but I do know a little bit about suppressed technologies.

There are cost-effective ways to turn seawater into drinking water.

There are ways to reverse the aging process, in fact, to eliminate death. Nanotechnology has the capability of producing nanorobots that can rebuild human organs that are failing or diseased.

People are starving today not because of the earth's inability to produce the food, but because or corporate corruption that prevents equitable distribution of food, in fact paying farmers NOT to grow crops.

Most sickness and disease today is MAN-MADE by those who profit from their own alleged "cures". Either that or they suppress the REAL cures, which are usually herbal and natural. This is a proven fact.

The bottom line: We can feed, clothe and house the world with hemp!

There's more, gotta get back to work. Will expand on this later...

Peace

[toothpick]

If Gaia wanted us off she would just shake us off like flys.
Offplanet individuals or ET, Interdimenionals etc, who could have turned us into dust eons ago and yet they have not, why?
Because, we are meant to be here to have the human experience.
Because, this is our planet to use and love.
Because, we give this glorious water world up to no one.
Because, real human beings do not cull other real human bengs.

[AuCo]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
Hi blufire....

This was your post #115.....

Posted by blufire (here)
Sustainability or to Sustain . . . .sustain means to be able to maintain, continue or keep going.

It has been mentioned on this thread that we could fit the world population in Texas or Rhode Island and this is true BUT what no one has addressed, pragmatically, is what it takes for those 7 billion to have adequate food, water or minimal living conditions.

I am only going to address FEEDING 7 billion people. This post will not take into account the water 7 billion people need or all the other natural resources needed each year to produce materials for homes, cars, electronics fuel etc.

Worldwide there is a total of 36 billion acres of landmass. Of that landmass only 7.68 billion acres is arable or farmable.

As it is now we feed the global population with gmo produced food, which is farmed by the billions of acres with chemicals.

It takes 3 acres, per person, each year to provide that person with a minimal amount of food farmed with this method.

7 billion people X 3 acres = 21 billion acres

To be able to sustain or continue to produce enough food for 7 billion we need 21 billion acres . . . . we are RIGHT NOW 13 billion acres short.

Which is why we have people by the thousands dropping dead every day by malnutrition or starvation.

In order to produce enough food for 7 billion that is sustainable and that also healthy, chemical free, nutrient rich food 12 acres per person is needed.

7 billion people X 12 acres = 84 billion acres

Which puts humanity 76 billion acres short of farmable land and not only that but 40 billion acres short of landmass . . . . . period.

Let’s say we were able to implement FE (free energy) right now and at the same time invent sustainable ways to also farm our oceans. It still would not do us any good. There simply are not enough natural resources to maintain this level of population while maintaining a balanced eco system.

Yes, there are those on this thread who say we can create new farmland by using our forests and deserts etc. True. But, then we are left with a totally destroyed global eco-system . . . . .

Balance?

What happens to the animals and plant life that inhabit those eco systems? What happens to us when we remove that delicate balance of the earth’s eco system? Is this our right? Does this not sound completely self absorbed and over the top greedy?

There are many on this thread saying it is tptb, cabal or whoever that is doing this to us and that it is their fault and they are trying to kill us. Are they? Looks like to me we are doing a pretty good job of it ourselves; we demand cheap food, fuel, technology . . . . . . . .

We don’t have the farmable land or renewable natural resources to maintain this level of population and this fact and is not “their” fault or diabolical scheme.

I am not proposing we start “culling the herd” or depopulating the earth, but I am saying we are way past the tipping point and the result within the next few years will be devastating. There is no “fixing it” even with a boat load of miracles or ‘other’ intervention or free energy.

We are selfish, disillusioned Takers. This is obvious to me. Even with many posting on this thread.

Okay, I don't pretend to be an expert in anything, but I do know a little bit about suppressed technologies.

There are cost-effective ways to turn seawater into drinking water.

There are ways to reverse the aging process, in fact, to eliminate death. Nanotechnology has the capability of producing nanorobots that can rebuild human organs that are failing or diseased.

People are starving today not because of the earth's inability to produce the food, but because or corporate corruption that prevents equitable distribution of food, in fact paying farmers NOT to grow crops.

Most sickness and disease today is MAN-MADE by those who profit from their own alleged "cures". Either that or they suppress the REAL cures, which are usually herbal and natural. This is a proven fact.

The bottom line: We can feed, clothe and house the world with hemp!

There's more, gotta get back to work. Will expand on this later...

Peace

Yes, positive thinking which shall not be left out of the equation.

Still I can imagine this probably would lead to even more explosive population growth.

From observing the folks where I live, those that intend to advance in life tend to have small families. These are being out numbered by those that keep popping out little ones that are not really responsible for anybody's well being and pretty much rely on "government" help through multiple generations. Where is our future heading with this, just wondering?

There are schools where students are expelled, countries where citizens deported, heavens where angels outcast. Earth shall one day welcome not unfit souls.

[Amzer Zo]

Below, you will find Sue Arrigo's workable, and proven so, solution to the intended and created problem of "world overpopulation."

Sue Arrigo is a strange character who developed an incredible strength in spite of her MKultra/Monarch programming which landed her to be D. Rockefeller's personal sex slave; the later loaning her at $ 1 million a night... most people who forked out such an amount did it not for the one night stand but for Sue's highest gift and skill as the CIA's unchallenged highest accuracy score remote viewer and expected manifold returns on their "investment" in her investigation of various timelines for various business ventures.... Most probably the reason she might still be alive (last heard of her was 2009).

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Dirty Methods are Not Needed for Population Control

emanzipationhumanum.de/ english/human/all.html


Because the Cabal’s rationale for war. famine, and destruction has been population control, I had the CIA study my clean methods for population control. Those studies proved that the Cabal’s methods were ineffective by comparison; wars and even famines did not result in long term decreases in population. They were short term measures that worsened population growth rates right afterwards. It was like cutting up starfish to get rid of them, the process of cutting them stimulated their re-growth. Fear, anxiety, insecurity, and poverty, cause people to want more children and produce them. Wars and trauma, and food scarcities, are like pruning rose brushes--one gets more flowers and more seeds. The CIA’s own internal studies make that quite clear. In the 1900’s there were two world wars and many lesser wars. The result of all that war, famine, and suffering was that there were more people in 2000 on the planet than in 1900. That is a failed strategy, even if we believed the goal to be a valid one.

The so-called clean development methods discussed in the above article about the Kissinger-Haig plan, were neither clean, nor intended to cause the Third World to become developed into First World nations. The leaders like Kissinger did not want Third World producers of raw materials to be First World like consumers of resources. They believed in a world of limitation and want, in which in order to have as much as they wanted, others would have to go without. They have a zero-sum idea of the world in which they believe that causing the people in the Third World to go without will result in their happiness. Nothing could be further from the truth. Their analysis was wrong, completely wrong. The easiest way to understand that is to look at a marriage, because that is something that we have an understanding of from our personal observations over time. Beating up the wife, withholding love and refusing to share with her equitably, causes the relationship to deteriorate. It still produces many children. On the other hand, treating her as an equal and assisting her out of love to achieve the goals that she freely sets, leads to a happier home in which their are naturally fewer children. In many cases, well-satisfied women busy doing what they love, produce no children at all. People with high education and career productivity have low birthrates. One doesn’t have to force women to work, doing so doesn’t lead to a decrease in population. It is love, care, and opportunities that give women the satisfaction needed to produce well without over-multiplying. The so-called development programs that the US tried to foist upon the Third World were like a husband holding his hand over a wife’s head about to beat her, but not doing so at the moment. The underlying goal of those development programs was to force Third World countries to give up their resources at slave labor prices. There was no respect, care, or love involved, and the result was like a tyrannical marriage with an overproliferation of children, bickering, and problems.

During the course of several decades from about 1985 to 2004, the CIA did three major studies on my clean methods to control population, and about a dozen minor ones. They did so many studies because they could not figure out how I managed to get such good results. Also, they hoped to prove me wrong in the end, as they had an addiction to using dirty methods and wanted justification to continue using them. They had a commitment to violence, hoarding, and selfishness that they were not willing to allow reason, truth, and data to bring it into question. As a result they kept on banning my research results within the CIA and forcing me to reproduce them in further studies. Thus I ended up doing such studies long after analysts in the CIA’s Intelligence Dept. conceded that I was right and that my methods did work well. Of course, you should not take my word for it but obtain copies of those studies and the full complement of their reviews.

Although the studies are complex and I don’t have the data in front of me, I want to mention them because it is relevant to whether it was right for Bush, Sr. to sell the bio-warfare agents to Hussein. I had finished the first major study prior to that sale and it angered me that the old view that depopulation by killing still appeared to be standard operating proceeds at the White House. It is not that Bush, Sr. was ignorant of that study of mine. When I spoke to him on the phone about wanting to come over to inform him and others of the dangers of the Bio-warfare agents, he said something like “Is this about your wanting to do depopulation your way?” When I said, in effect, “Yes.” He specifically forbid me from speaking about that study when I came to the White House the next day. He appeared, in my opinion, to want to keep the results of that study secret from his cabinet ministers and advisors. My methods would not have made kickbacks for anyone, nor ranked up any body count. The first major study done on my methods was a retrospective one. It was noticed by a CIA analyst that a village I had helped survive in Vietnam during that war, had a very low birth rate. It was an anomaly noticed on a study of Agent Orange birth defects. There were almost none to no birth defects in that village, and it was then asked, “Was that because there were not births at all in the next 10 years or so?” The answer was that there were births per the Vietnamese authorities that CIA analyst was working with, but not many. The Vietnamese authorities had tried to determine why and attributed it to the strange actions that I had taken in that village during the war. I had been sent in to do reconnaissance with a small team of men because the US Army hoped that my skills as a remote viewer would help us locate Stinger type missiles. The VC had been shooting down US choppers. We did find and destroy missiles to the extent that the chopper problem in that area was greatly alleviated for awhile.

I had spent about half a day in that village as I tried to locate the missiles. I did not conduct a search and destroy mission of that village. Instead of destruction and intimidation, I did careful listening and tried to solve some of the village’s many problems. One of the problems that they complained to me about was that the US military was frequently coming through their village and terrifying them. As I listened to their many complaints on that score, it occurred to me that there might be a way to help them. Their strategy up to that point had been to wait for it to happen and then scatter and hide in the surrounding mountains for weeks at a time until the US moved on. That strategy was not very successful. Their crops did not get the care they needed. Their livestock were unable to be moved quickly and got killed by the US troops and left to rot. Their rice and food stores were scattered all over the village trampled underfoot and moldy by the time they returned. Life was Hell for them, as a result of the American soldiers, not unlike Iraq these days. It seemed to them that nothing could ever change that. But it did not appear to me to be a hopeless problem because I had faith that the Lord could solve any problem fairly quickly and well. Thus, it did not surprise me when an answer occurred to me about an hour later. That answer was for them to post a watch on all the trails that lead into the village (something they had already done.) But to do so with a different intention. They were doing so then to alert the village to “run”. I suggested that they alert the village to host a party for whoever came. That is, they should not favor nor run from any group, but entertain and feed whoever came through. At first, they objected saying that they were poor people and could not afford to. I pointed out that they were losing all their food and livestock each time, and it would be better to serve even half of it, and keep the other half. They discussed it and decided to give it a try. I made some suggestions as to how to entertain soldiers without giving their young girls to them. They brainstormed came up with many creative ideas. That village became known for its great hospitality and talent. Neither side demolished it after that because they wanted to be able to have some rest there. It was a “fire free” zone in the midst of a war zone. I think the God blessed them with peace because of their generous hearts and actions. If they had worried about having enough, it never would have worked. Since they gave so freely, both sides left behind much food that was uncooked to reciprocate. It was a miracle that God kept going for years during the war. I had been there in about 1969. The CIA analysts confirmed by satellite images that the village had not been destroyed after that, even though the war raged all around them. The war did not end until 1975.

By the time the CIA studied it as anomaly in population growth, almost 15 years had passed. The population of the village had modestly decreased, while the villages nearby had very large numbers of children, were requiring cutting down of more jungle, and were very poor. It was not just that the village had had peace. That is not actually enough to reverse the overgrowth of population. It has to have spiritual contentment. Later studies elucidated that more clearly.

That first major study went beyond that one village to look at other places in the world that I had been on assignment. I got sent to war zones periodically, and CIA analysts had noticed that difficult to account for results followed. I was not responsible for those effects; I was just desperate enough to call on God with faith. The CIA analysts thus went back over the record of which villages I had been on assignment to and looked at birth rates before and after and in comparison to neighboring villages. I had not gone to those places with any intention to control population; I had in the course of my other duties for the CIA, tried to help them in whatever way seemed appropriate at the time. So, it was kind of a double blind study in that neither I nor the villages had any idea that the CIA would later study the result of going to sincerely and selflessly help. I was not leaving behind bags of Aide money, financial grants, or contracts with the CIA to help them later. I was enquiring after their needs as a concerned visitor and dispensing some practical advise grounded on good spiritual principles. The CIA analyst in question found a decrease in population and crowding where I had given such advice, and not when I was in too much of a hurry to give it. It was not that I was contaminated with poison or spreading poisons. The children were fewer but healthy overall. Frankly, the CIA was unable to account for the results, even after they carefully substantiated them. It especially troubled them, given how short I was in any village, that the effect seemed to be long lasting, That was not surprising to me, I had intended to give advice that would benefit them long term by changing their culture for the better. Careful application of almost any kind spiritual principle will do that. I looked to see the spiritual basis of their most pressing difficulty and tried to correct it with the simple advice I gave.

Perhaps more examples will make that clearer. This example came from a village in Europe where people were poor and oppressed by their government at the time. I was there to rescue some dissents and bring them back to the CIA. In the normal course of doing that I learned that their village had a problem with its water supply. The simple way to address it would have been to replace the pump. That was not the solution that I thought was most beneficial in the long run because it would be temporary and not correct a problem in social justice. One family, the one who had the pump house was using almost all the water to irrigate their fields, while other families got none for their fields. I suggested a different way for them to use the land so that a short trough from a local stream would irrigate all of their fields. It meant two things; the land would have to be swapped around and people would have to cooperate in building and maintaining the trough. Everyone would benefit each time anyone irrigated one field, all would get irrigated. That project created an enormous amount of good-will in the village because it was designed properly. The result was an increase yield per acre and a more forest was allowed to grow over unneeded farmland. The population shrank about 10%, not due to migration to cities, but due to contentment and fewer children.

Here is another example. In this village the primary problem was bickering and power struggles. The mayor had alienated many people by insisting that he alone made the rules. He was a mini dictator and thought that served his interests. But almost no one liked him as a result. People kow-towed to him and flattered him but he was lonely and unloved. My presence in his village had nothing to do with him from the CIA’s point of view. I was there to make contact with a man from another area and I had to wait for him to show up. So, I had listened to people’s stories intending to solve their most pressing problem. What I recommended was that the villagers shower the mayor with many small kindnesses, not false words, but treating him like a true friend. I made it into a game called, “If I was the lonely mayor, I would want_____”, and I asked the villagers to fill in the blank. They had a lot of fun with the game. They had never thought of him as a lonely man needing help. They had thought of him as a terrifying petty tyrant who had to be obeyed or else. They were unable to vote him out of office, they were in a one-party system and he had been appointed. As a result of this simple intervention, people started inviting him home to family dinners. He started to thaw and become a real person. As that happened the policies he created were more humane and fair and the village prospered. Surprisingly, this village, by the sheer grace of God, went from being one of the worst in the region to one of the best to live it. I do not mean materially, I mean spiritually. What I mean by that is that people were willing to listen to each other’s problems and help each other out. This was in a communist country. People were sharing material possessions, but frankly that did not help them so very much. Sharing of their hearts and helping from their hearts was what made the difference in terms to their contentment. The population of the village also went down, about 5% judged by births, not migration. Nearby villages had an increase in births consistent with their national average.

The long term effect of even short term love has been noticed before in sociology. In one of the Chicken Soup for the Soul books, there is a true story about disadvantaged minority students in Washington, DC schools. A sociology professors sent his graduate students in to assess elementary student’s chances of succeeding in life. The graduate students said things like “The kids haven’t got a chance, their parents are drug addicted, unemployed, illiterate, etc.”. Twenty or more years later another sociologist sent his grad students out to find out what actually happened to those kids. Much to their surprise, the kids turned out to be overachievers with many physicians, engineers, etc. among them. They were baffled. They studied the issue until they figured it out. The kids that succeeded so well had all gone through one particular teacher’s class. They tracked that teacher down in a nursing home where she was still alert. They asked her what she had done that made the difference. She said, “That’s easy. I loved those boys!”.

Studies of foster children have shown the same thing. If there was one person that believed in them, believed that they could grow up to be a good person contributing to the society, that was enough. Just one person, out of all the people that abused them and put them down. Just one person that loved, cared, and respected them—that was all that it took.

Now, that I have told you that, I can tell you another hard to believe story about those studies on population control. This was part of a population control study that was prospective in which the task was to decrease population growth. In this study, my methods were pitted against the usual CIA methods of war, famine, and destruction of the culture. I was told to “do my magic” on a village on the outskirts of the CIA’s war zone. I never traveled to that village. I merely called them up and asked for a toll-free number to be passed out along with a couple hours a week that I could be reached by phone. I said that I was a problem-solving consultant and would try to help them realize whatever dreams they had. For the next two months or so, I manned the phone during those hours. That was all the time I had for that project. I listened and helped people find the dream in their heart that could move them to take the risks to succeed. I wasn’t passing out money, or grants. All I was doing was listening, and giving simple heartfelt advice. By the end of the two months, the villagers decided to “host a university”. They did not even have a high school graduate among them, but they wanted to get an education. I asked them to figure out what a university should teach that would really help them. They designed the curriculum. It was not like any university that I had ever heard of, and that was a big plus for them. They hosted the university that they needed not the one that others wanted them to have. They invited “speakers” and kept control of the curriculum and its relevance to their lives. Neighboring villagers flocked to their village to take one and two day courses. They had many teachers that then went out to teach from village to village. There were courses on how to be a mid-wife, on how to raise livestock, on how to write down their life stories, on how to raise children, and on how to set up small businesses. That village became prosperous. It also had a decrease in population naturally. That moderation of population, like in First World educated cultures was long lasting.

My intervention cost next to nothing—not even a single plane ticket. The war dragged on for years, cost the US taxpayers a lot, and did not decrease the population growth rate, only decreased the numbers in the population. It just trimmed the rose brush and made it grow. Actually, it left an ugly landscape, despair, and suffering. When one trims a rose bush you get lovely roses. After a war, you get a bumper crop of children, but not happy healthy ones usually. One get children missing limbs due to landmines, and birth defects from defoliants and depleted uranium. War is not good for growing children. It is not like pruning is to rose bushes, I was wrong.

In one of the last population growth studies I did at the CIA, the question being studied was “Could others get results like mine?” That study used intelligence officers, trained murderers and assassins. We all have that “soldier” inside of us waiting to come out if we get put in bootcamp. I gave them a different kind of bootcamp. It was only a week long and it was mainly changing their hearts and minds; I don’t like physical exercise much. After that week was over, they manned a phone line to a village a couple hours a week like I had years before. The birth rates were studied for several years after that. Their listening and helping people problem solve also made a difference, depending on how they did it. If they were authoritarian, the villagers felt threatened even at a distance and the population growth rate went up. If they were loving and helped by supporting the goals of the villager, the birth rates went down. One man got better results than I had. Overall, about 25% of those trained killers managed to change enough to get an excellent result, the population decreased by contentment flourishing. About 40% got the result of the population staying the same. And about 20% got no change in population growth, and about 15% made the population growth rate worse. It was still not as bad as after a war or a famine.

The Cabal causes the very problem that they say is so serious that it requires the drastic measure of killing—their harsh authoritarian stance is a major cause of population overgrowth. Note, I did not help people solve their problems by making them lazy. Passing out money in welfare programs is not love. That is not to say that passing out money it never appropriate. When one loves someone one can see, by the grace of God how to help them. A social program without love it not much different than being given a number at Auschwitz, it dehumanizes the person. It is no wonder that government social programs often fail to give real and lasting benefits. Yet when the people running them do have love in their hearts and are allowed to give it in that setting, much good can come of it. All too often programs are rule based prisons of the mind that destroy love and prevent creative thinking. It doesn’t have to be that way.

One of the reasons that I think we didn’t get as good a result on that population control study of my students, is that the framework was static. It did not allow my students to figure out creatively how they could best help a village. I am sure that some of them would have been best going out to a village and listening to the people while playing sports or hiking with them. They could have listened while doing outdoor work with them that helped the village. Frankly, I think that in many cases the villagers never told them their most pressing problems, and that was one of the biggest difficulty in the study. Gaining the trust of others can be a big problem, if the CIA officer has spent decades lying, conning and killing. A week of empathy training may not be enough to change a hardened criminal into the saint that they were meant to be. Since the CIA would not let me solve the biggest problem that they have at the CIA, it is not surprising that the CIA officers had trouble solving the biggest problem of those villages.

Sue Arrigo 18 June 2008 19:05



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Speaks for itself... I think.

[Peace of Mind]

still going, huh...

As a traveler I’ve seen more open space on this planet than occupied space. You can take a trip on many of the major interstate highways and see plenty of unused space, fly in a plane and you’ll see even more. Most of society is built upward instead of outward. Most people literally live on top of each other (like cattle, crabs in a barrel), so there appears to be little to no space available, but if we panned out… there’s more than enough…even if we continue building upwards. The real issue has always been about the management. We are all on this planet raping it daily just to support a handful of cowards…that just so happen to be ruling everyone. I often wonder if those looking for E.T. to help humanity feel any shame in the way they go about their daily lives. What do they think the intelligent E.T. thinks of them? I only mentioned this to flesh out a point about responsibility; we all must learn to accept it in order for us to prosper properly. You just can’t foresee or obtain a glorious future while still operating on an obviously flawed and crooked system. To do so….imo, exemplifies signs of mental illnesses/manipulation and/or covert operations. What else could there be to logically explain the perception of denial.

We are still discovering uncharted areas of this planet, … so how did we become arrogant enough to know exactly how much people and room there is? We even have the technology to build cities on the seas….and beneath it….not to mention underground facilities. IMO, we actually have more than we need. I think those thinking we don’t have the space and resources are screening the situation through our conditioned greed ridden minds. Remove this poisonous mentality and replace it with a caring and responsible one…then you’ll easily see we have more than enough.

When we stop creating unnecessary waste in this world we will create a bountiful paradise for all. For instance….Humans creates about 4 to 5 trillion tons of garbage a year. In the USA alone the average person throws away about 4 pounds a day. We are a wasteful species, just look at what’s in your garbage bin. It’s to the point we create garbage to wrap our goods…goods we will discard inevitably. This is problematic, but I know it’s due to our lack of awareness and poorly controlled governments. Our administrations have been infiltrated by greedy individuals that have become so obsessed with greed… they cleverly manage to train the masses to be competing slaves, and careless consumers. We are now blind supporters of our own demise. Corruption has seeped into the minds of everyone, inflating our egos and diminishing or common sense.

If you think the world needs to be depopulated before the systems we live by is changed… then I’m sure you’re not going to see yourself as part of the problem we face daily. For that reason, this post will just be another example of how we waste our time and energy while circumventing acknowledgement. However, suffice to say… the evidence of our issues is on display for all to see... but when will we learn from them…

Peace