Sweden moving to cashless society

[truth will win out]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...hless-economy/

[YoungSoul]

I live here in Stockholm and i rarely use any cash, i never have any on me mainly because its a hassle to count and scour through your pockets everytime you need to buy something. Backside is that every transaction is traceable, which gives you 0 private life.

[mariposafe]

Thank God I live in China !!!!

Cash is still king here, people can pay large sums of money into the bank, and withdraw large sums without being treated like criminals.

[aranuk]

Cash means freedom for gods sake. When cash disappears so does freedom. If money becomes totally digital we are slaves. TPTW want digital money and all humans chipped. They will be able to know where you are, know what your bank balance is, know who you paid, know who paid you, know your medical records, know your criminal record, your parking fines etc etc. Get a grip. Don't give up cash, don't give up your freedom. Maripose I agree with you. Digital money is the thin edge of the wedge to keep the human race under their COMPLETE control.
Get wise kids. It's our only saviour.

Stan

[Zebra]

This is not for the customers´security, first and foremost, that is for sure. More control by both the banks and the government over every aspect of our lives. Sure, it is useful and costs nothing to use the card to draw down your own money to make a purchase, at least that is less of a hassle than carrying money. But as you say YoungSoul: O private life.

Also, what if you lose your card? Or it gets stolen? You have to wait for a couple of weeks until you get a new one to resume living?

[InCiDeR]

Some whistleblower (can't remember who!) said one year ago:

"Sweden is the biggest and greatest social experiment on earth"

I believe him...

[aranuk]

Zebra it's much worse than that. There is absolutely no end to it. When that happens and God forbid, it is finished. They will be able to chip you, if you refuse they will not give you a card or something. WE are slaves then. Once we are chipped we are finished. Chipped means they will know how many times you have an orgasm, go to the toilet. Our freedom has gone. Forget about waiting for a couple of weeks to get your card back once it is lost, you will be chipped again with another kind of chip that tells them what you are thinking.

Stan

[M6*]

My thoughts exactly! M6*

[D-Day]

To me, not having a monetary system OF ANY KIND would be the first step towards enabling humanity to once-and-for-all experience what it TRULY means to be free.
Having a resource-based system where fairness, equality and respect (for humainty and the environment) are the key factors in determining allocation and distribution of resources would be the ideal way forward (at the very least it would be a good place to start).
We have the ability NOW to create such a world, a world of abundance where nobody wants for anything, where ALL people have access to the basic necessitites of life like food, water, shelter, energy, education, health care, transportation etc.
The reason this is not part of our current reality is because of the greedy, self-righteous basards sitting at the top of existing power structure who horde and monopolize all the worlds resources for their own monetary gain, while deceiveiving the rest of us into believing we live in a world of scarcity.
A world where the majority of us are forced to work ourselves into the ground just to earn enough MONEY to survive (as slaves essentially) in the society THEY designed and created for us.
Yes that's right, we're alredy slaves!
We don't need chips to achieve that social status because we're allready there... don't even try to fool yourself into thinking we're not.
The only difference between us and the slaves of the past is that the slaves of the past didn't have to pay for their own living expenses.
Modern day slaves (us) not only have to work like slaves but we also have to pay for all our own living expenses as well.
Then on top of that we pay interest for the things that we need (want) but can't afford to buy outright.
And who does that interest/MONEY go to?
Yeah, that's right... it goes to the rich, greedy fat cats sitting at the top of the control structure.
What a friggin' joke we've allowed ourselves to become!
Anyways, instead of worrying about the impending doom of nano-chips etc, we'd do much better to concern ourselves with figuring out a way to depose the greedy leeches who are dominating, exploiting, manipulating, deceiving and distrespecting (the rest of) humanity and this planet.
We have the power and numbers to take back our freedom now, and we could do it tomorrow if we REALLY wanted to.
If only we believed in ourselves enough to actually start standing up for what we ALL know is right and just... instead of sitting back in apathy waiting for someone (or something) else to come along and take care of everything for us.
I really wish humanity, as a collective, would wake up, get wise, get off its knees, RISE UP, and take back control of of its own destiny!
One day, maybe... I live in constant hope (and apathy ).

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by D-DAY (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Cash means freedom for gods sake. When cash disappears so does freedom. If money becomes totally digital we are slaves.

Stan

Cash means freedom?... hmmm, not from where I'm standing.

I think you're reading Stan's comment out of context; if you look, after he has said that 'cash means freedom', he also says that digital money means we are slaves. If I were to give my interpretation of what he means, I would say that he means while physical money exists, we have a degree of control over it but once it becomes completely computerised, our money (which would have no independent existence the way paper and metal money do) can be edited, deleted or blocked without any defence on our part.

Has this person stepped out of line? Delete his money and shut him up. If you have notes in your hands and coins in your pocket, they can't suddenly invalidate that (though they try to do it in general terms with inflation).

That would be my interpretation of what Stan said; rather than cash meaning freedom, I would say he meant that physically existent cash at least has more freedom to it than computerised, virtual cash.

[D-Day]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)

Posted by D-DAY (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Cash means freedom for gods sake. When cash disappears so does freedom. If money becomes totally digital we are slaves.

Stan

Cash means freedom?... hmmm, not from where I'm standing.

I think you're reading Stan's comment out of context; if you look, after he has said that 'cash means freedom', he also says that digital money means we are slaves. If I were to give my interpretation of what he means, I would say that he means while physical money exists, we have a degree of control over it but once it becomes completely computerised, our money (which would have no independent existence the way paper and metal money do) can be edited, deleted or blocked without any defence on our part.

Has this person stepped out of line? Delete his money and shut him up. If you have notes in your hands and coins in your pocket, they can't suddenly invalidate that (though they try to do it in general terms with inflation).

That would be my interpretation of what Stan said; rather than cash meaning freedom, I would say he meant that physically existent cash at least has more freedom to it than computerised, virtual cash.

The intention of my post wasn't to have a go at Stan.
I mainly just used the opening statements if his post as a launching pad of sorts.
Looking back at my post now though I can see why it's been interpreted as you've stated.. whic wasn't what I wanted at all.
Just so Stan knows, I meant him no ill will... my apologies
I'll edit my previous post now to take Stan's quote out of it, as it really doesn't need to be there.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by D-DAY (here)
The intention of my post wasn't to have a go at Stan.
I mainly just used the opening statements if his post as a launching pad of sorts.
Looking back at my post now though I can see why it's been interpreted as you've stated.. whic wasn't what I wanted at all.
Just so Stan knows, I meant him no ill will... my apologies
I'll edit my previous post now to take Stan's quote out of it, as it really doesn't need to be there.

No no I'm sorry I didn't think you were having a go at him at all. I'm really sorry if I implied that I thought that, I just thought I saw a disconnect between intended meaning and interpreted meaning :-)

[D-Day]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)

Posted by D-DAY (here)
The intention of my post wasn't to have a go at Stan.
I mainly just used the opening statements if his post as a launching pad of sorts.
Looking back at my post now though I can see why it's been interpreted as you've stated.. whic wasn't what I wanted at all.
Just so Stan knows, I meant him no ill will... my apologies
I'll edit my previous post now to take Stan's quote out of it, as it really doesn't need to be there.

No no I'm sorry I didn't think you were having a go at him at all. I'm really sorry if I implied that I thought that, I just thought I saw a disconnect between intended meaning and interpreted meaning :-)

Don't sweat it
So long as I'm not offending anybody, I'm happy.
I think my post is better now that I removed the reference to Stan's post anyway.
I wrote it between phone calls at work and clearly didn't pay enough attention to what he had said in his post.
Either way, it's all good

[Mad Hatter]

Gee all of a sudden my card won't work more than 5km from my place... the oh so convenient path to total lockdown...

And the smart thinkers on this forum suggest the solution is???

[G.Deluca]

in italy now,we can't pay with cash if the price is over 1000 € ,in 10 years maybe we will have a cashless system too

[muxfolder]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
Some whistleblower (can't remember who!) said one year ago:

"Sweden is the biggest and greatest social experiment on earth"

I believe him...

I've heard the same about Finland too. So now that Sweden is going to be cahsless it pretty much means we're going to do the same. It seems always be the case that whatever they do in USA or Sweden it's what's gonna happen here too sooner or later.

[Mulder]

As David Icke said (I'm paraphrasing here): if your card is declined, you can still buy food, etc. with cash in your pocket. With no cash, you're in deep trouble if they turn off your card.
Now this is from me: in a cashless society YOU WILL BE CONTROLLED - you will be rationed. You will only get starvation rations - if you feel like a steak dinner now, you can buy it. But in a cashless society you will eventually have no choices, all you can buy will be dictated. This is so you can't feed people whose chip has been switched off! This is the real nightmare that will be slowly brought in & most people won't see it coming.

[xbusymom]

Posted by Zebra (here)

Also, what if you lose your card? Or it gets stolen? You have to wait for a couple of weeks until you get a new one to resume living?

Good point!

[jorr lundstrom]

I use cash only. I have no card. About Sweden being maybe the
greatest social experiment on earth, Im afraid I have to agree.
Of course the experiment will ultimately fail. And when the s##t
hit the fan here we will see the old visions repressed by christianity
for 1000 years surface again. There are mighty powers starting
to move in the abyss. LOL

All is well


Jorr

[xbusymom]

Posted by D-DAY (here)
To me, not having a monetary system OF ANY KIND would be the first step towards enabling humanity to once-and-for-all experience what it TRULY means to be free.
Having a resource-based system where fairness, equality and respect (for humainty and the environment) are the key factors in determining allocation and distribution of resources would be the ideal way forward (at the very least it would be a good place to start).
We have the ability NOW to create such a world, a world of abundance where nobody wants for anything, where ALL people have access to the basic necessitites of life like food, water, shelter, energy, education, health care, transportation etc.
The reason this is not part of our current reality is because of the greedy, self-righteous basards sitting at the top of existing power structure who horde and monopolize all the worlds resources for their own monetary gain, while deceiveiving the rest of us into believing we live in a world of scarcity.
A world where the majority of us are forced to work ourselves into the ground just to earn enough MONEY to survive (as slaves essentially) in the society THEY designed and created for us.
Yes that's right, we're alredy slaves!
We don't need chips to achieve that social status because we're allready there... don't even try to fool yourself into thinking we're not.
The only difference between us and the slaves of the past is that the slaves of the past didn't have to pay for their own living expenses.
Modern day slaves (us) not only have to work like slaves but we also have to pay for all our own living expenses as well.
Then on top of that we pay interest for the things that we need (want) but can't afford to buy outright.
And who does that interest/MONEY go to?
Yeah, that's right... it goes to the rich, greedy fat cats sitting at the top of the control structure.
What a friggin' joke we've allowed ourselves to become!
Anyways, instead of worrying about the impending doom of nano-chips etc, we'd do much better to concern ourselves with figuring out a way to depose the greedy leeches who are dominating, exploiting, manipulating, deceiving and distrespecting (the rest of) humanity and this planet.
We have the power and numbers to take back our freedom now, and we could do it tomorrow if we REALLY wanted to.
If only we believed in ourselves enough to actually start standing up for what we ALL know is right and just... instead of sitting back in apathy waiting for someone (or something) else to come along and take care of everything for us.
I really wish humanity, as a collective, would wake up, get wise, get off its knees, RISE UP, and take back control of of its own destiny!
One day, maybe... I live in constant hope (and apathy ).

another good point!! we CAN turn their plans for a cashless (and controlled) society on its -@Rs$% and quietly work on becoming a moneyless society (and we don't even have to RISE UP in protest). I may sound like a broken record, but I am going to say it again in case someone hasn't heard of the reason behind the timebanks and charity movement...

timebanks and volunteer charity organizations are not subject to taxation or the DOLLAR valuation... the key is in the intent and motive of anything donated to another person... it is NOT a legal contract of payment (trade/barter/etc.) for services/items purchased....