The unraveling of a great Secret

[Sebastion]

On this thread, I have tried to show as obviously and simply as I know how, that the keys to all understanding are on your side of the "door". Learning how to defy the deity-all those "things" that you see that would limit you-once transgressed, can never enslave you again. Why? Because recognition of it would be instantaneous and you will know automatically that "it" has no power over you.

You will find also, that as you free yourself up from all the BS, you will become a little more sovereign within, everyday. And you will start loving that about yourself, so much so that you will go for more of it with gusto and you will have the energy to accomplish it more quickly.

You will also become much more aware of how precious it is and guard against anything or anyone who would attempt to take it from you using words and mind-games. But that will be easy enough, for you will know that you have been there, seen that, done that-next!

[Delight]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
On this thread, I have tried to show as obviously and simply as I know how, that the keys to all understanding are on your side of the "door". Learning how to defy the deity-all those "things" that you see that would limit you-once transgressed, can never enslave you again. Why? Because recognition of it would be instantaneous and you will know automatically that "it" has no power over you.

You will find also, that as you free yourself up from all the BS, you will become a little more sovereign within, everyday. And you will start loving that about yourself, so much so that you will go for more of it with gusto and you will have the energy to accomplish it more quickly.

You will also become much more aware of how precious it is and guard against anything or anyone who would attempt to take it from you using words and mind-games. But that will be easy enough, for you will know that you have been there, seen that, done that-next!

No one can give this capacity or take it away. But what "bothers" me about dealing with the rest of the world is that people can make "gods" of so many things. Yes, to state it bluntly, we do transgress and deification and the "deities" are Soooo numerous and alliegiance is soooo tenacious that one has to stand being alone in the experience, literally stand quite alone.

[Sebastion]

It fundamentally is an alone process, Delight. The more "deities" you defy and move beyond, the more alone the process becomes. It is and will be a departure from the herd mentality, a departure from all the "cow paths". You must blaze your own trail, find YOUR way that is unique to you, and you do have one, most assuredly so. Following where the herd goes will only get you more of what has always been and more of what is already known.

I departed from the herd when I was 28 years old, deciding to take the road less traveled or when necessary, make a new one. I have had more then one lucid dream where the path before me split. I could walk the valley path, which was quite clear-cut or choose to climb higher up the mountain where I could view all while traveling. I always chose the higher path. That was my way. Happy trails!

[Delight]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Happy trails!

Being alone is not necessarily lonely. It is impossible though to live without love.
May I share something that has been one of my favorites?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnp7J4EdOeQ

[Sebastion]

and a beautiful video and story it is! Thank you, Delight!

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Happy trails!

Being alone is not necessarily lonely. It is impossible though to live without love.
May I share something that has been one of my favorites?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnp7J4EdOeQ

[ljwheat]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post462767

"""Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is unhealthy love and a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that harm one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one's own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including family, work, friendship, and also romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, or control patterns.[1] Narcissists are considered to be natural magnets for the codependent."""

Why would a King, commission a Catholic church to put together a book in a manner that would forever enslave those who fallow its words into a life of codependency. By a narcissistic God and a codependent son of God.

When I took possession of this human form, I did not consult these kings, gods or sons of gods. These beings are trapped in the forth dimension were they have been trying to hide there identity in love and light since we started arriving in mass from out side the higher dimensions they seem to be trapped in. These bed time story’s of old are still capturing and enslaving the minds of the young to codependency, then children raising children to the point of I will kill you if you do not believe my Narcissistic ways to the letter. Passed on from generation to generation.


The 4th Dimension, were these beings of light emanate, are loving, and caring and do miracles, and magic to fill our every narcissistic want’s and belief’s to the letter. Hook line and sinker. “We came from a higher place then these so called Gods and savior’s the grass is greener on the other side of 3D, I’m God believe in me, your nothing, Codependent slavery smoke and mirror’s 4D demy Gods.” Think about it-- if I am eternal:? ”no beginning, no end.” What pray tell do I need with a God, or a son of a God. I am over a God in my core being, above were these Gods say they need us to believe in. These bed time story’s have put over 90% of the world to sleep for century’s, few are awake to the title of the Ancient Ones, Sure ET may have played with DNA ,the house that Jack built, the essence that took possession of this house came from beyond even there grasp or the 4th playgrounds and 3d Chemistry sets.


The vase the flowers are displayed in, can not change the flower that’s placed in its care. It will always be a flower that I am no matter what label its given. We are the Ancient Ones, let go of the story’s --- remember how you began this possession, this ride. You brought yourself here and now, --- they didn’t --- remember? There is no beginning or end. (just story’s from the 4th dimension of love and light) and you came in from out side of all that fantasy smoke and mirror’s. Too a world of shiny glass and a hole lot of smoke.

IMHO I may be totally wrong.

[Sebastion]

Methinks ljwheat, you know that you are right....excellent post it is...

It reminds me of a question that I had asked of Pie N' eal in one of his earlier threads. That question consisted of whether or not he thought that his incarnation here had anything to do with any Budhist teachings he had received prior to coming here. He really never answered that question. I was at the time looking forward to some fascinating debate, conversation. Not contentious confrontation but a sincere heartfelt sharing of the minds, as it were. Gotta say I loved the guy and hated to see him leave.

Posted by ljwheat (here)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post462767

"""Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is unhealthy love and a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that harm one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one's own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including family, work, friendship, and also romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, or control patterns.[1] Narcissists are considered to be natural magnets for the codependent."""

Why would a King, commission a Catholic church to put together a book in a manner that would forever enslave those who fallow its words into a life of codependency. By a narcissistic God and a codependent son of God.

When I took possession of this human form, I did not consult these kings, gods or sons of gods. These beings are trapped in the forth dimension were they have been trying to hide there identity in love and light since we started arriving in mass from out side the higher dimensions they seem to be trapped in. These bed time story’s of old are still capturing and enslaving the minds of the young to codependency, then children raising children to the point of I will kill you if you do not believe my Narcissistic ways to the letter. Passed on from generation to generation.


The 4th Dimension, were these beings of light emanate, are loving, and caring and do miracles, and magic to fill our every narcissistic want’s and belief’s to the letter. Hook line and sinker. “We came from a higher place then these so called Gods and savior’s the grass is greener on the other side of 3D, I’m God believe in me, your nothing, Codependent slavery smoke and mirror’s 4D demy Gods.” Think about it-- if I am eternal:? ”no beginning, no end.” What pray tell do I need with a God, or a son of a God. I am over a God in my core being, above were these Gods say they need us to believe in. These bed time story’s have put over 90% of the world to sleep for century’s, few are awake to the title of the Ancient Ones, Sure ET may have played with DNA ,the house that Jack built, the essence that took possession of this house came from beyond even there grasp or the 4th playgrounds and 3d Chemistry sets.


The vase the flowers are displayed in, can not change the flower that’s placed in its care. It will always be a flower that I am no matter what label its given. We are the Ancient Ones, let go of the story’s --- remember how you began this possession, this ride. You brought yourself here and now, --- they didn’t --- remember? There is no beginning or end. (just story’s from the 4th dimension of love and light) and you came in from out side of all that fantasy smoke and mirror’s. Too a world of shiny glass and a hole lot of smoke.

IMHO I may be totally wrong.

[Kelly]

To blindly follow another, to think that fake love and light, is real bona fide love, is to forget your own beautiful real self!
To put your faith and trust in some unseen beings, who profess to know it all and want you to follow them, is to give your own beautiful real self over to them, why would people do that?
If people really looked at themselves, then they would see themselves for who they are, and realise, that there is NO-ONE, who can tell them what to do, no fake shiny beings who are trapped in the 4th dimension no more than us, they are just manipulating people, and the sad thing is, people dont realise that!
People give away their own power far too easily to beings who profess to be love and light, when the truth is they are not, they are just using people, i wish people could see this, and stand up in their own power, for themselves!!

[Sebastion]

Indeed so Kelly and that is one of the essential reasons for this thread and why "defying the deity" aspect becomes so important in clearing the way, so that you of yourself, can begin to dissolve, cut through all the smoke and mirrors. Thank you for your post!

Posted by Kelly (here)
To blindly follow another, to think that fake love and light, is real bona fide love, is to forget your own beautiful real self!
To put your faith and trust in some unseen beings, who profess to know it all and want you to follow them, is to give your own beautiful real self over to them, why would people do that?
If people really looked at themselves, then they would see themselves for who they are, and realise, that there is NO-ONE, who can tell them what to do, no fake shiny beings who are trapped in the 4th dimension no more than us, they are just manipulating people, and the sad thing is, people dont realise that!
People give away their own power far too easily to beings who profess to be love and light, when the truth is they are not, they are just using people, i wish people could see this, and stand up in their own power, for themselves!!

[9eagle9]

Co dependency is an epidemic in the States...so you are on to something. The US is declared a Christian nation so it begins to add up when one does the math.

That is just Christianity, other Abrahamic based religions promote the same sort of schism. People speak about the suppression of women in Muslim marriages. The woman is the co-dependent and the husband serves as the Narcissist.

So now we are talking about at least half the world or more (more me thinks, hard to know without coffee) that are Muslims and Christians, more the than half the world and more like 2/3's are practicing co dependents. Epidemic.

Look that the structures of the PTB , that may be a further reflection of Narc to Co dependent relationship.

Throw this into the equation. Most of our new thought and new age religions are basically remanufactred versions of Christianity (if they aren't re-arranging the furniture on the Buddhist Titanic) that you noted above, that does indeed promote co-dependency. The core values are the same and they all revolve around co dependent behaviors. Meaning most new age or new thought philosophies are re-furbished co dependent based Christianity. Someone or something is coming to save you or ascend you.

A very large program of energy vampirism.

Narcissists are pretty easy to spot (if you are not a codependent...lol) but co-dependency can be more subtle.

If a God says you 'need' to believe in them, that is co depencency and that would be a God that is construct, or God created from thoughtform. Most philosophies that venerate a 'service to others' paradigm are peddling co-dependency. You are not worthy unless you are serving. This creates herd and slave mentality. Serving quickly turns into servitude. Any wonder we are slaves to the system. Religion is a psychology all on it's own. Create a population of co-dependents and rule the world!

Need is the driver, the generator for Co-dependency. Thats why they are called needy people. Need and scarcity are pumped into all system from religion to advertising.

The need to be needed is co-dependency.

Co-dependents enter relationships to be 'saved' or validated.

The relationships of codependents survive only because one is a martyr, scapegoat or the one crucified or sacrificed in the relationship. They are in servitude serving the narcissist who is the 'god' in the relationship.

I have that co-dependents are intially attracted to me because like the Narc I won't fulfill their emotional neediness-but for different reasons. Once I don't get into the control drama with them they get 'hurt' and wander off to someone who will actually abuse them.

The narc withholds or distributes reward and punishment to the person who is the slave in the relationship.

When Co-dependency evolves into self medication or what the uninspired call drug or alcohol abuse the most popular co-dependency centers use Christian philosophy to help them cure....their co-dependency...lol. My friend who has been a sponsor in AA says its getting difficult to find AA centers that stick to the more neutural 'higher power' philosophy in the organization and its becoming overtly Christian--co dependency treating co-dependency.

The number one physical deteration dis-ease in co dependents are MS, and Fibromyalgia. When someone claims they have MS I don't look at their body I look at their relationships and what role they are playing. FM is becoming epidemic in the US as well along with similar neurological to muscular disorders.

Even pedophilia is a form of co-dependency.

Co-dependents don't have respect for personal space . Like the narc its uncomfortable for them to not be acknowledged. Who better go out and bang on doors on the weekend to 'spread the word'. Church knockers. Notice how they never apologize for interuppting your nap, your dinner etc. You could be performing CPR on someone and they'd be waving pamphlets in your face...lol. How you can't get them off the doorstep and they are entirely without shame or remorse that perhaps they've interrupted something. Co-dependent. Pay attention to me!

For people who know me well they know my story of how two church knockers broke into my apartment to 'save' me. Forced entry saving in the name of Jesus. The authorities were between a rock and hard place on that one, because you can't punish Christians (that's Christian persecution) but breaking into one's home isn't something they can support either. I was advised to 'remember they meant well' to which I responpsed. "I mean well, can I break into their home and teach their children witchcraft?"

Oh...nooooo

Co-dependents even have their own physical gestures, they don't touch, they grasp. Watch them sometime you will see what I mean. Why is hand shaking such a big deal. Its the secret hand shake of the Army of Co-dependents (kidding...maybe...who knows I may be right...lol)

People who are on a authentic spiritual journey are really recovered or recovering from Co-Dependency when you get right down to it.

Posted by ljwheat (here)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post462767

"""Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is unhealthy love and a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that harm one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one's own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including family, work, friendship, and also romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, or control patterns.[1] Narcissists are considered to be natural magnets for the codependent."""

Why would a King, commission a Catholic church to put together a book in a manner that would forever enslave those who fallow its words into a life of codependency. By a narcissistic God and a codependent son of God.

When I took possession of this human form, I did not consult these kings, gods or sons of gods. These beings are trapped in the forth dimension were they have been trying to hide there identity in love and light since we started arriving in mass from out side the higher dimensions they seem to be trapped in. These bed time story’s of old are still capturing and enslaving the minds of the young to codependency, then children raising children to the point of I will kill you if you do not believe my Narcissistic ways to the letter. Passed on from generation to generation.


The 4th Dimension, were these beings of light emanate, are loving, and caring and do miracles, and magic to fill our every narcissistic want’s and belief’s to the letter. Hook line and sinker. “We came from a higher place then these so called Gods and savior’s the grass is greener on the other side of 3D, I’m God believe in me, your nothing, Codependent slavery smoke and mirror’s 4D demy Gods.” Think about it-- if I am eternal:? ”no beginning, no end.” What pray tell do I need with a God, or a son of a God. I am over a God in my core being, above were these Gods say they need us to believe in. These bed time story’s have put over 90% of the world to sleep for century’s, few are awake to the title of the Ancient Ones, Sure ET may have played with DNA ,the house that Jack built, the essence that took possession of this house came from beyond even there grasp or the 4th playgrounds and 3d Chemistry sets.


The vase the flowers are displayed in, can not change the flower that’s placed in its care. It will always be a flower that I am no matter what label its given. We are the Ancient Ones, let go of the story’s --- remember how you began this possession, this ride. You brought yourself here and now, --- they didn’t --- remember? There is no beginning or end. (just story’s from the 4th dimension of love and light) and you came in from out side of all that fantasy smoke and mirror’s. Too a world of shiny glass and a hole lot of smoke.

IMHO I may be totally wrong.

[ljwheat]

Here is a clip I happened to come across, that give example of the 4th Dimensional play ground who continue to whisper into man’s ear’s, trying to convince use they have power greater than ours. Ha fat chance. The game is up, we know who they are. Nice show, but its all coming to a close. All is well. John XXX

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGD6msMCLBs

no more demy Gods or fallen angles will rule.

[sygh]

There is something else about waking up we grasp at times, and that is the doing of deeds. We are responsible for the things we do here. For instance, here in the U.S., we have a problem... we have pretty much destroyed our forest and our natural resources.

We simply could not see the forest for the trees. For so many years, people acted as if there was no end to the wealth of natural resources we enjoyed. To exist here is to work, in order to survive. Though paramount, that is a very narrow view of the world. The wake-up call (alarm) was given years and years ago but as a group of people, we chose to sleep through it in favor of ease. We followed leaders who told us what we wanted to hear. We lost our presence of mind. We had freedom but we squandered it. With freedom goes responsibility.

We abused our freedom, just like those who came before us. We simply did not consider the big picture. We put nothing before us that was greater than ourselves, not even the creator because we did not understand creation. It is so important to be honest with ourselves, in as mush as we demand honesty from others. Honesty is a form of love. To know that every living thing on this planet is interconnected and to respect that knowledge and then act upon that knowledge as a moral in one's very core is being free. In essence, as a whole, we were not free at all.

If we truely want to be free we must take responsibility for our actions. Part of that means we must make hard choices and then follow through with them as a large group of like-minded people. In this way we can make a difference.

Obtain your voice -and learn how to work in harmony. The vehicle you posess has everything you need.

[9eagle9]

You absolutely cannot have freedom if you can't manage yourself.

[sygh]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You absolutely cannot have freedom if you can't manage yourself.

Absolutely! It might start out with one person, or a small group of people with a vision but in order to make a difference, we must vow to work together. We need the central ideas written down, like a contract we would hold with one another. Manifesto is not a dirty word, though the unibomber put a bad connotation to it.

[sygh]

Consider Charles/Atticus/Steven... consider Bill and Kerry. Atticus said something I didn't appreciate, he inferred all of this was just a job... just a way to make a lot of money. And that there were many here stuck in the fog. Maybe it was a challenge.

Do you think that is what all of this is about? No, it is absolutely not. But to fool ourselves and say we do not need some sort of currency for trading is also not real. To worship the dollar, the dinero, or the rupel, as if the ownership of a pile of money gives someone the absolute right to shape, and ultimately rule the world is, as we have seen, a huge pile of stench for all creatures great -and small (like me ;-). But in order to get things done, something of worth must be obtained for work, unless we get to the lowest common denominator, that being survival alone. So, money is it right now. That is what we have to work with. In order to work with it, we must understand its place.

Choices, we have choices. And as we know, choices lead to other choices, nothing is stagnant. And here's is the rub... what may be true today will not hold the mustard tomorrow. However, to wander aimlessly in the desert is to be without a map, let alone a destination. Fourty years will pass whether we do anything with them -or not. But if we aim ourselves to meet ourselves or, those with a like mind, in fourty years... aah-ha! (This reminds me of gray hairs talking about whether or not they should plant an apple tree because they won't be here to enjoy the fruits of their labor.) So...

What do we want? First and foremost, what do we want?

Clean energy
I'd say less people (we demand other species to cowtow to us but we don't contain our own, does that make sense here?)
Clean air
Clean Water
Food for all
Forests
Diversity
Education
Communication
Sustainable living quarters
Transportation

I have to leave this now and earn my keep.

I'm sorry for editing but I'd like to add one more thing to the pot... What is real wealth? If you had millions of dollars, what would you do with it? We must think and make wise choices, as if we already had it.

[Sebastion]

For myself, I long ago acknowledged that there was evil in the world yet vowed to myself in the same breath, that it had no power over me. That has been my experience and will continue to be.....

Posted by ljwheat (here)
Here is a clip I happened to come across, that give example of the 4th Dimensional play ground who continue to whisper into man’s ear’s, trying to convince use they have power greater than ours. Ha fat chance. The game is up, we know who they are. Nice show, but its all coming to a close. All is Forwell. John XXX

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGD6msMCLBs

no more demy Gods or fallen angles will rule.

[Sebastion]

Hi Sygh and thanks for posting. For myself, I have had a deep love for trees and growing things. Since childhood, noting that lots of trees were being cut down, I took it upon myself to plant trees as often as I could and continue to do so. There is nothing more beautiful to me then listening to the wind gently blowing through the pines and leaves of tall trees. It has its own special magic about it. It is a simple act of loving and doing and thus, found a great and simple joy in doing so.......

Posted by sygh (here)
Consider Charles/Atticus/Steven... consider Bill and Kerry. Atticus said something I didn't appreciate, he inferred all of this was just a job... just a way to make a lot of money. And that there were many here stuck in the fog. Maybe it was a challenge.

Do you think that is what all of this is about? No, it is absolutely not. But to fool ourselves and say we do not need some sort of currency for trading is also not real. To worship the dollar, the dinero, or the rupel, as if the ownership of a pile of money gives someone the absolute right to shape, and ultimately rule the world is, as we have seen, a huge pile of stench for all creatures great -and small (like me ;-). But in order to get things done, something of worth must be obtained for work, unless we get to the lowest common denominator, that being survival alone.

Choices, we have choices. And as we know, choices lead to other choices, nothing is stagnant. And here's is the rub... what may be true today will not hold the mustard tomorrow. However, to wander aimlessly in the desert is to be without a map, let alone a destination. Fourty years will pass whether we do anything with them -or not. But if we aim ourselves to meet ourselves or, those with a like mind, in fourty years. This reminds me of gray hairs talking about whether or not they should plant an apple tree because they won't be here to enjoy the fruits of their labor. So...

What do we want? First and foremost, what do we want?

Clean energy
I'd say less people (we demand other species to cowtow to us but we don't contain our own, does that make sense here?)
Clean air
Clean Water
Food for all
Forests
Diversity
Education
Communication
Sustainable living quarters
Transportation

I have to leave this now and earn my keep.

[sygh]

Yes. Its like when one meditates but gets side tracked by the hords of by-standers (one meeting self at the carnival) talking on the sides, never reaching the ultimate goal of the... dare I say it?... the purple flame. Actually further, the gold speck in the center of the white light.

Now is the time. Now is always the time. What are we doing now. What are we reaching for? Where will our road ultimately take us? Where do we want to be a year from now, five years from now, 50 years from now? Yes. Others have their plans ... fracking, more deforestation, more devistation to the waters of the earth. Where is our voice? Do we scream for free this and that?

Do not dismiss Steven as such a negative, he has shined a great light on a very real problem Avalon has and is still facing... are we avatars, or are we real? Are the simulations others have shown us concerning the extinction of the land and animals on the earth just another show to be gazed upon like an accomplishment in film? Will we be spectators or, will we accomplish something we set out to do? If we have faultered, the error, or lack of wisdom would be to cover it up with our egos, never learning anything by it. As you well know, it doesn't matter how many years we have known, it is what we have done with the knowledge we posess.

Where is the sane voice of reason? It is here because we will make it here.

[Sebastion]

There is a time and a season for all things...and the momentum continues to build..

Posted by sygh (here)
Yes. Its like when one meditates but gets side tracked by the hords of by-standers (one meeting self at the carnival) talking on the sides, never reaching the ultimate goal of the... dare I say it?... the purple flame. Actually further, the gold speck in the center of the white light.

Now is the time. Now is always the time. What are we doing now. What are we reaching for? Where will our road ultimately take us? Where do we want to be a year from now, five years from now, 50 years from now? Yes. Others have their plans ... fracking, more deforestation, more devistation to the waters of the earth. Where is our voice? Do we scream for free this and that?

Do not dismiss Steven as such a negative, he has shined a great light on a very real problem Avalon has and is still facing... are we avatars, or are we real? Are the simulations others have shown us concerning the extinction of the land and animals on the earth just another show to be gazed upon like an accomplishment in film? Will we be spectators or, will we accomplish something we set out to do? If we have faultered, the error, or lack of wisdom would be to cover it up with our egos, never learning anything by it. As you well know, it doesn't matter how many years we have known, it is what we have done with the knowledge we posess.

Where is the sane voice of reason? It is here because we will make it here.

[Delight]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Throw this into the equation. Most of our new thought and new age religions are basically remanufactred versions of Christianity (if they aren't re-arranging the furniture on the Buddhist Titanic) that you noted above, that does indeed promote co-dependency. The core values are the same and they all revolve around co dependent behaviors. Meaning most new age or new thought philosophies are re-furbished co dependent based Christianity. Someone or something is coming to save you or ascend you.

A very large program of energy vampirism.

I agree with the innate schism between SELF sufficiency (the direct link in to one's energy SOURCE) and the convoluted needs set up to exchange energy. This involves co-dependency (cannot do for self), counter dependency(cannot depend on anything even self) and Faithful dependence on a "god" WHO is above in hierarchy and must be the one to save us.

However, I also believe (a thought repeated over and over that coalesced into a filter) that maybe there is an over all "purpose" for the way things have been presented to me (by me?)? In other words, it does not seem impossible that the whole design of the "hall of mirrors" is a game I set before my self (from SELF)?

I do not claim to know this but I feel into it. I have observed that there is pattern, regularity, an overall picture and other clues that seem to show there is design.

I watched a series about the mystery behind the creation of the New Atlantis (to be carried out in the USA). The questions for me from that interesting set of clues is "what was the purpose?",and if so was it for "Benefit of Humanity?" and if so "Were the purposes distorted, perverted, or were there unintended consequences?" OR is it all working itself out in NOW in an unknown trajectory we are actively shaping?

In regards to New Thought, I don't quite see that it is rehashing of the Exoteric Christian religion so much as the bringing out of what might be in the Esoteric part of Christianity. It seems to be a blossoming out of an idea that we are NOT DEPENDENT on "god" to save or do for us. It seems to be about we already HAVE a make up that creates in form based on thoughts and belief and feeling strongly for something. To me this is true and despite what others have said about the "fiction", it seems to be a practical tool for operation on the physical realm.

Actually if this is a "game", I as part of the "plan" may be participating in a design? Is it to experiment with a POV? Frankly I am enamored of POV as it seems to cut through lots of contardiction with Time/ space questions. There seems to be waxing and waning of cycles.

What if this is all about experiencing (versus ideas). I didn't make any of that up but the difference between an idea and one fully lived is HUGE.

Wouldn't it make some sense that the ability to see through the smoke and mirrors and to feel in to the source for one self might be a design that weeds out and refines and sifts for a "reason" we asked to experience? The co-dependent and the vampiric cannot be self sustaining and must die as "time" moves on.

The main threads that I see in the Perennial Philosophy (the esoteric tradition of the west) seem to be about the ability to operate independently from the mass of collective thought by creation of a capacity for discernemnet. In constantly questioning we begin to develop a real point of attention that is ours: a POV. I may be wrong but this is what I have digested.

It has been said IF there is a game, all information must be made available but it is up to the Individual being to understand what is made available. As one begins to gather a core strength of Sovereign perspective, less and less of the obfuscation is taken in and then more and more power of singularity is developed? Is this true? I cannot say that it is true but it is what I have learned for my own sifting.

The big step is self trust. It still feels shakey until one finally fully appreciates that one is not at the mercy of another. But the fruits cannot be shared. People have to develop it on one's own. It takes turning away from others and settling WITHIN.

It can be very challenging to live in the world where everything pulls at one. It is especially hard I think (as a woman) when one is bearing children and maybe that is why women get codependent to the counterpoint of the users of energy. One is given a hard challenge to separate out one SELF when in the bounds of taking care of others.

The humorous part is if we are INFINITE and never were born and never die, one can begin to laugh at the seeming constraints of a lifetime in this game. On the other hand, I think many who land at PA have been playing in these fields for a looooong time and look to move out of the main frame of this holograpghic set up.

Lone story short, it is not scary when one finally knows that the very name "god" has to do with the snares of codependency bind we will "cut away" at the end of the game. Just my way of seeing things.... Maggie