The unraveling of a great Secret

[another bob]

Posted by Delight (here)

Call Love a fire – even what says so, will also be consumed by it. Fire goes where there's fuel, and truth is the tip of the flame – never fixed or static, ultimately ungraspable and thus unknowable.

The caterpillar cannot understand the butterfly, nor kindling the flame.

We claim we want the truth, but resist submitting to Love’s burning away of all that’s not true. We tend to prefer the coolness of dreaming, the security of knowing, even though none of it is actually true.

After all, it’s easy enough to close our eyes, but waking up is hard to do!

I like that post Bob. I am dreaming all these states....

All is either moving or still.
Animals and plants and humans and rocks and all of the beautiful we know and love.


A cat woman calls into visceral memory cats present and past and feels them furry and purring.
Last night my loved dead husband and I touched with etheric hands....
All is ether alive or not in every dream it IS.
The world spins a new day

Fire consumes earth, water consumes fire, earth covers water, air blows the earth away.
And so it goes in the elemental world.
That is in the waking dream.

Who cares except for that one who loves the caring?
Then she cares to move on.
And so it goes into the wild yonder


I love myself best in all my dreams because I am with me all the time.
Yet, I will never really see my face.
So I look for her in eyes.

Everything there is, IS
just star glasses on a lover. Maggie

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JoCvv8b0AY

[Sebastion]

Beautiful posts.......indeed. I cannot add to any of it....as any attempt to do so would detract from the eloquence presented....Thank you....

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Delight (here)

Call Love a fire – even what says so, will also be consumed by it. Fire goes where there's fuel, and truth is the tip of the flame – never fixed or static, ultimately ungraspable and thus unknowable.

The caterpillar cannot understand the butterfly, nor kindling the flame.

We claim we want the truth, but resist submitting to Love’s burning away of all that’s not true. We tend to prefer the coolness of dreaming, the security of knowing, even though none of it is actually true.

After all, it’s easy enough to close our eyes, but waking up is hard to do!

I like that post Bob. I am dreaming all these states....

All is either moving or still.
Animals and plants and humans and rocks and all of the beautiful we know and love.


A cat woman calls into visceral memory cats present and past and feels them furry and purring.
Last night my loved dead husband and I touched with etheric hands....
All is ether alive or not in every dream it IS.
The world spins a new day

Fire consumes earth, water consumes fire, earth covers water, air blows the earth away.
And so it goes in the elemental world.
That is in the waking dream.

Who cares except for that one who loves the caring?
Then she cares to move on.
And so it goes into the wild yonder


I love myself best in all my dreams because I am with me all the time.
Yet, I will never really see my face.
So I look for her in eyes.

Everything there is, IS
just star glasses on a lover. Maggie

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JoCvv8b0AY

[Sebastion]

No wonder now why I get the feeling occasionally that life is somehow scripted...george mentions that the future has already happened......lol!

Posted by ljwheat (here)
This is intersting:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULGoL4ZU6A8

[another bob]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
No wonder now why I get the feeling occasionally that life is somehow scripted...george mentions that the future has already happened......lol!

Yes, except it's not the future, it's now (but one needs to get beyond this 3-D angle of vision to appreciate that fact).

[Sebastion]

A good and succinct point Anotherbob....but I allow myself to be lazy every now and then just because...lol!

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Sebastion (here)
No wonder now why I get the feeling occasionally that life is somehow scripted...george mentions that the future has already happened......lol!

Yes, except it's not the future, it's now (but one needs to get beyond this 3-D angle of vision to appreciate that fact).

[Sebastion]

Wishing to continue on with a point I was trying to make in a previous post concerning "whispering" or tapping in/merging with other natural energies is, I believe a significant one. It is natural for humans on this planet to do and there is a special beauty in doing so. It would seem that everything in "civilization" is designed to take you as far away from that as possible.

The greater point here is that you, of yourself are as "natural" as anything could be and as long as you are kept from seeing that and understanding that, the more "lost" you will remain. Technology most certainly has its place however it is quite "unnatural" to sacrifice knowledge about yourself in the pursuit of technological advancement.

According to some of the stories I have read on this forum, it has been the pursuit and advancement of technology which has destroyed and annihilated entire civilizations. It would obviously appear then, that the ultimate cost of technology is the total sacrifice of all that we are as "natural" beings. What an unnatural thing to do..........

[ljwheat]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Wishing to continue on with a point I was trying to make in a previous post concerning "whispering" or tapping in/merging with other natural energies is, I believe a significant one. It is natural for humans on this planet to do and there is a special beauty in doing so. It would seem that everything in "civilization" is designed to take you as far away from that as possible.

The greater point here is that you, of yourself are as "natural" as anything could be and as long as you are kept from seeing that and understanding that, the more "lost" you will remain. Technology most certainly has its place however it is quite "unnatural" to sacrifice knowledge about yourself in the pursuit of technological advancement.

According to some of the stories I have read on this forum, it has been the pursuit and advancement of technology which has destroyed and annihilated entire civilizations. It would obviously appear then, that the ultimate cost of technology is the total sacrifice of all that we are as "natural" beings. What an unnatural thing to do..........

This is in the limits of a blog only a attempt to look at a structure with the mind and a few key’s on the computer screen.

To really dive into this, you must drop your conformity to the comfort zone your living in at present, like going camping in a tent on a hill side at a state park, only a pocket knife and a canteen, sleeping bag, walk in not drive, be isolated into the environment you wish to feel into. Do it for a week, you wont die, but as the hours pass the things that have trapped you in this slave, manufactured society will be reviled to you as how institutionalize you actually are, and the things you can break away from.

Being home less for one week is cheep and inconsiderate of those that found themselves in this with out a choice. But to sit here in the comfort zone with a laptop and a bag of chips, intellectualizing a topic with out first hand knowledge is pretty cheep on our part.

A couch potato comes to mind, is this new era of laptop potato’s taking the place of the TV, just a trade off, the amount of time spent tapping these key’s in a trance of intellectual thought ping pong.

You want to look at the deeper aspect of the (IS) then analyze the is your doing as a blog potato? What is it that we are doing here at Avalon forum? How is it consuming our time? Who’s it benefiting? And what is it doing to our awareness or yet just another bubble of reality. I would say if totally grounded in this you’ll understand how so many people have left forums all together to start living it instead of just speaking into a barrel.

I know this sound little off topic but, at this depth one must look at this couch, blog, potato, what’s really going on and why am I doing it at this time on this planet and where I am in it? CME a big ONE the kill shot, that’s coming. No power, no computers no running water, back to hunting and gathering? All this creator comforts gone, all the intellectual marvel of our much speaking, will not keep us alive. You cant drink it or eat it, and after a while it will only give you a better understanding of how to beg with it, when all the stuff technological advancement is wiped out.

"This can't happen to me crap" of thinking will not help but to give us more time to speak it, instead of learning how to live with out a pillow. that’s how the Roman empire fell, (soft.) this time the world the survivor’s the meek , Pigmies in a rain forest that live with mother nature, laptops and much speaking will kill us.

[ljwheat]

Just to clarify the direction IMO this is going.

5D and above critical pondering, (assuming we know what 5D is) we must step away from the 3D duality pondering in to 5D, with 3D definitions.

Dropping the human shell, left with the life force we are,( Ebonics’ would be we (IS).) Has no beginning’s has no ending’s Is reincarnating at will into anything we like with out end, human shell being one of the lowest in a lower detention than were we are extended from and are still there as ie. Our higher self.

And this is a dement ional amusement park ride, with out the knowledge of the above core source, and actually not of this ride.

Then its safe to say, there is nothing to save, (life, constitution, human race, or concepts, but only the chance to explore the boringness of this fish bubble.

What else would you do with existence with out end being anything in any existence with out end. Survival is not in the 5D elms or higher, only here in this slowed down molasses of an existence. So we are more like “Q” in star trek than we know, popping in and out of existence in any form or forum we choose to play in.

If we do anything at all would be to help those trapped in the primordial goo of this planet is to help self empowerment out of 3D thinking. We are the avatar driver’s not the avatar itself or could we be, oil and water dosent mix nor can mind-body mix with spirit the driver. Lets beging to turn around in the avatar as you would in a swival chair in this human ship and catch a glimpse of that life force we are. And quit modifying the avatar to fit the driver. Just like in Avatar when you shed this human shell you wake or are aware again were you never left. and your there now, but like Jake Suely you've become consumed with the Avatar. when you let go of 3D thinking and the avatar your not

[Sebastion]

Lj I understand very well all that you have said and have given it much consideration in the past. Having experienced a NDE a number of years ago, I made the choice to return to the body and this life to complete some unfinished business. It was after going through that I must agree with what the outlaw Josey Wales said to 10 bears: "Dying is easy, it's living that's hard....". Being near death again a year and a half ago, again I chose to hang around a while longer-call me crazy-lol!

Dying is easy...as it comes as if on a gossamer breeze. I have no fear of it for it is as easy as changing clothes, just not as much effort involved! If there is a kill shot coming, there is nothing I, nor anyone else can do about it. What comes will come. I have done what I can do at this moment in time, for me and mine. One of those being a choice and a refusal to live in fear. I choose instead to see and experience the simple and profound beauty of nature and the planet, things that I never saw and therefore never fully appreciated, while I am still here.

I would choose also, for the time being, to pass on to others, some of the things I have learned. Whether or not it's appreciated is anyone's guess. I reckon when people stop posting to this thread, that will tell me all I need to know and I pick up on some things very quickly, lol!

[ljwheat]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Lj I understand very well all that you have said and have given it much consideration in the past. Having experienced a NDE a number of years ago, I made the choice to return to the body and this life to complete some unfinished business. It was after going through that I must agree with what the outlaw Josey Wales said to 10 bears: "Dying is easy, it's living that's hard....". Being near death again a year and a half ago, again I chose to hang around a while longer-call me crazy-lol!

Dying is easy...as it comes as if on a gossamer breeze. I have no fear of it for it is as easy as changing clothes, just not as much effort involved! If there is a kill shot coming, there is nothing I, nor anyone else can do about it. What comes will come. I have done what I can do at this moment in time, for me and mine. One of those being a choice and a refusal to live in fear. I choose instead to see and experience the simple and profound beauty of nature and the planet, things that I never saw and therefore never fully appreciated, while I am still here.

I would choose also, for the time being, to pass on to others, some of the things I have learned. Whether or not it's appreciated is anyone's guess. I reckon when people stop posting to this thread, that will tell me all I need to know and I pick up on some things very quickly, lol!

Yes very good post as I love a chance to stretch as this old avatar needs to stay in tutch with the driver more and more now that we are nearing the end of this party we’ve been invited to. And am glad you chose to stick around for the final Curtin so to speak and help with the party favors and those who've started to look in this part of the shed.

Thanks for letting me kick this hockey puck around with you as I know for years I read and listen before I finally was confident enough to open up. As I’m sure other’s are doing this moment and being there for us. Thanks Sebastion nice ride.! John XXX

[9eagle9]

It's always questionable if someone is in natural alignment or unhealthily attaching. And that's why we question to see. Attachments are very predictable as there's a program running there, a script, a cord. Natural alignments you never know what's going to happen. You many know something is going to happen but just how it happens is that magickal mystery of life.

[Sebastion]

and I am grateful to you John for all that you have contributed thus far......thank you!

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Lj I understand very well all that you have said and have given it much consideration in the past. Having experienced a NDE a number of years ago, I made the choice to return to the body and this life to complete some unfinished business. It was after going through that I must agree with what the outlaw Josey Wales said to 10 bears: "Dying is easy, it's living that's hard....". Being near death again a year and a half ago, again I chose to hang around a while longer-call me crazy-lol!

Dying is easy...as it comes as if on a gossamer breeze. I have no fear of it for it is as easy as changing clothes, just not as much effort involved! If there is a kill shot coming, there is nothing I, nor anyone else can do about it. What comes will come. I have done what I can do at this moment in time, for me and mine. One of those being a choice and a refusal to live in fear. I choose instead to see and experience the simple and profound beauty of nature and the planet, things that I never saw and therefore never fully appreciated, while I am still here.

I would choose also, for the time being, to pass on to others, some of the things I have learned. Whether or not it's appreciated is anyone's guess. I reckon when people stop posting to this thread, that will tell me all I need to know and I pick up on some things very quickly, lol!

Yes very good post as I love a chance to stretch as this old avatar needs to stay in tutch with the driver more and more now that we are nearing the end of this party we’ve been invited to. And am glad you chose to stick around for the final Curtin so to speak and help with the party favors and those who've started to look in this part of the shed.

Thanks for letting me kick this hockey puck around with you as I know for years I read and listen before I finally was confident enough to open up. As I’m sure other’s are doing this moment and being there for us. Thanks Sebastion nice ride.! John XXX

[Sebastion]

Well said 9eagle9 for I too have a serious love for that particular "magic". Nothing, spiritually speaking ever once happened anywhere near in the way I thought it would. That forever boggled my mind and slapped a smile upon my face because it was always something I could never have imagined-it was "better". It never made any difference what direction I was looking in and ever came when I least expected it.

Methinks there is a deeper magic, something really awesome in the realm referred to as whispering with animals-all of life. You have entered in to an aspect of it yourself-between horses and eagles and medicine plants. And you know exactly what I speak of...nothing has more beauty on this planet, but I need not tell you what you already know....lol

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's always questionable if someone is in natural alignment or unhealthily attaching. And that's why we question to see. Attachments are very predictable as there's a program running there, a script, a cord. Natural alignments you never know what's going to happen. You many know something is going to happen but just how it happens is that magickal mystery of life.

[NancyV]

I think I understood this poem when I wrote it, but now??? hmmmm.. LOL..
I don't really have a need to understand much of anything anymore which is good since it coincides with not much of anything making much sense.

love is like a letter that did not get written
cause someone got busy
love is like an elephant who is smitten
by a yorky...with frizzy
hair... love is like you who has bitten
the apple... getting dizzy
wonderin bout the wicked witch, spitten
out the poison.. in a tizzy

love is like me who just wants to be free
the plight of eons and ages
which blithers and slithers paradoxically
in and out of self-made cages
love is all and love is none.. a magically
roasted pheasant... which mages
eat...scrunching bones...fat fantastically
dripping down on unwritten, unread pages

pages of books... books that reveal
the meanings of love... so who will read
these books? no one!... and if you feel
sad and lonely, think of the deadly deed
of the creator...splitting itself from the real
allness that it was... finally freed
to be another IZ... and if that IZ wanted to steal
the real IZ... to be part of He... She... fleed

and did the He IZ ever catch the She IZ???
That is the second part of the History.... Herstory!

(at least it rhymes!)

Nancy

[Sebastion]

Hi Nancy:

I gotta say that is an awesome poem and the last line....is some food for deep thought! I love it when that happens...lol

I know that you have some quite valuable things you may wish to add...feel free..!

Posted by NancyV (here)
I think I understood this poem when I wrote it, but now??? hmmmm.. LOL..
I don't really have a need to understand much of anything anymore which is good since it coincides with not much of anything making much sense.

love is like a letter that did not get written
cause someone got busy
love is like an elephant who is smitten
by a yorky...with frizzy
hair... love is like you who has bitten
the apple... getting dizzy
wonderin bout the wicked witch, spitten
out the poison.. in a tizzy

love is like me who just wants to be free
the plight of eons and ages
which blithers and slithers paradoxically
in and out of self-made cages
love is all and love is none.. a magically
roasted pheasant... which mages
eat...scrunching bones...fat fantastically
dripping down on unwritten, unread pages

pages of books... books that reveal
the meanings of love... so who will read
these books? no one!... and if you feel
sad and lonely, think of the deadly deed
of the creator...splitting itself from the real
allness that it was... finally freed
to be another IZ... and if that IZ wanted to steal
the real IZ... to be part of He... She... fleed

and did the He IZ ever catch the She IZ???
That is the second part of the History.... Herstory!

(at least it rhymes!)

Nancy

[another bob]

Posted by NancyV (here)
I don't really have a need to understand much of anything anymore which is good since it coincides with not much of anything making much sense.

[Sebastion]

Which reminds me of an incident at Ford one day on the assy. line......an hourly employee called the superintendent over to his job and showed him how it didn't make any sense to put a particular part on ahead of his part because....... The superintendent looked at it, stood up and said "son, we ain't here to make sense, we are here to make cars and walked away. And so the world turns...lol

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
I don't really have a need to understand much of anything anymore which is good since it coincides with not much of anything making much sense.

[wavydome]

I got a little head start by venturing to the big city, first thing, after leaving home. Sort of a blind plunge there, but, it much more abruptly, built up the "necessity level". The perceptions sharpen and discernment lessons came 24/7. I was technically supposed to go to Viet nam, but instead, eventually, went to the hills. I knew too much, long life story there, (wannabe whistleblower dad, saw too much in WWII. It could never make sense to me

A gentrifying, rural, culture, then taught me how to live at the pristine edge of suburbia. Which means very low cost and philosophically very-comfortable. So as to gain independence and stay out of the box. Freedom was very key. So as to define life personally. Make life flow but insist it is fun. Make animate the inanimate. Size up civilization's design parameters. Invoke fun charactertures which then remains with you for the long, long run.

[NancyV]

What an awesome art studio....I mean workshop...or office....creative space.... whatever!! LOL

[9eagle9]

My gawd, I thought I had a man cave. Mine trembles in the wake of yours.

Posted by wavydome (here)
I got a little head start by venturing to the big city, first thing, after leaving home. Sort of a blind plunge there, but, it much more abruptly, built up the "necessity level". The perceptions sharpen and discernment lessons came 24/7. I was technically supposed to go to Viet nam, but instead, eventually, went to the hills. I knew too much, long life story there, (wannabe whistleblower dad, saw too much in WWII. It could never make sense to me

A gentrifying, rural, culture, then taught me how to live at the pristine edge of suburbia. Which means very low cost and philosophically very-comfortable. So as to gain independence and stay out of the box. Freedom was very key. So as to define life personally. Make life flow but insist it is fun. Make animate the inanimate. Size up civilization's design parameters. Invoke fun charactertures which then remains with you for the long, long run.