Remember why we are here with Dr Steven Greer

[sygh]

Forgive me for editing. I'm not as eloquent or as well spoken, I find I have to mull over what I want to say, in order to get the essence of what I mean across. This is the last time I will do so. I hope we can talk about this.

I just wanted to put my own mind into perspective as to why we are all here and fully understand what Bill and Kerry have been trying to do. It's about the truth, it's about disclosure. It's about disinformation verses reality. It's real concern for the earth, the species who live upon it ~and off it. After the great interview Bill did with Paul Hellyer, all of the cumulative work and effort of Kerry and Bill, and all those who have come forward at great risk to their lives... so many people, to include our own undeniable work and experiences, why is it that I am here? Bill's interview allowed us to listen to Paul Hellyer; in it, he stated we have about 10 years to change the world. To disregard the disinformation and focus on reality by working together and supporting each other.
I think I am here to help push this work over the brink so that it becomes common knowledge. In the video below, Dr. Greer states the sign that we're ready equates to the work we are doing. We cannot change the world unless we come together and partisipate. Once given this information, information that confirms our own research or search, do we, or don't we have an obligation to live more and more by what we believe? I don't want to be afraid of any of this or confused. I don't feel that way any more, ya know? However, I do understand, through my own experience, there are those who are not necessarily friendly and that even me, in this state of consciousness, am capable of doing harm, if I forget that thought is instant in this state. I was shocked when I found that out. It told me something about myself. It told me that, even though I swore to do nothing but good, to be nothing but good, that thought was within me. I stopped it, and really recognized it... there it was. I almost swooped down and made a psychic hit on someone I felt was very negative in nature.

For instance, has anyone partisipated in group meditation in the same room with the kundalini force running through it?

If so, would you or any of the others be willing to talk about it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...29399739557807

[Rimbaud]

Sygh,

Firstly I find no problem with your written word and actually find you to be extremely eloquent both in thought and Spirit..you 'pen' a lovely letter that I'd have been happy to write myself. I really hope that you can push us all "over the brink"..yes you're correct in saying that we all...ALL of us, have a massive obligation not only to Mother Earth, but also to our fellow man. It's a difficult path to follow, simply because most of the World has yet to evolve..and I don't even mean Spiritually.

I absolutely believe in Avelon..and with certain reserve Camelot and have always felt that way..but if there's one thing that I'm absolutely convinced of...and that is that we have NOTHING to fear..we will never have to fear anything even if we die in the process. Bill struck a chord with me when he so much as said that we were here for the ride...to improve ourselves and our Planet..our beautiful Planet Earth and improve our Spirit..That's why I'm here...I'm not a meditator...so maybe you can help me here...I sat in my Pyreneean garden today and found myself at peace for once in my life..I loved the sensation ..but it was fleeting.

God bless Sygh

Rimbaud

[pilotsimone]

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[kriya]

Thanks sygh for posting this talk, very interesting.

Love,

Kriya

[onawah]

Thanks for the link to Dr. Greer's talk. I still find his work to be very interesting. However, in this talk, he mentions briefly that we have been deceived into thinking (among other things) that there were ETs here in our past who enslaved Earthlings to mine gold for them.

Now, there is a huge amount of information, from Zecheria Sitchin's to Michael Telliniger's work, to the information that has been passed down for generations to people like Credo Mutwa, which makes Greer's assertions very hard to credit. I wish he would go into more detail because I would like to hear any different interpretations of the evidence, but I get the feeling he doesn't really have any.

I could even swallow his assertions that people who think they have been abducted by ETs are wrong about the nature of their experiences, that they are actually having astral experiences, or that they misinterpreted their experiences and that the ETs didn't actually hurt them, or even that they were actually abducted by synthetic beings manufactured by our own Secret Government as part of a false flag operation and so on.

But Sitchin's conclusions about the Annunaki and all the other researchers who have added to the store of theories about their role in our history (which was clearly not all benevolently motivated), are just too convincing. I wonder just how much time Greer has really spent on investigating the research others have done, before so easily dismissing it.

While I do feel in agreement with him that there are positively oriented ETs here now who are trying to help as Greer asserts, I just can't buy Greer's views about Earth history, no matter how self-assured he is about being correct.

I don't mean to resurrect debates about Greer's work here, as we have been there, done that on this forum, but this issue has always really puzzled me. It's so odd that someone like Greer, who has had such influence on the ET/UFO/Disclosure scene is so at odds in so many regards to so many others in the field.

[Rimbaud]

Posted by onawah (here)
Thanks for the link to Dr. Greer's talk. I still find his work to be very interesting. However, in this talk, he mentions briefly that we have been deceived into thinking (among other things) that there were ETs here in our past who enslaved Earthlings to mine gold for them.

Now, there is a huge amount of information, from Zecheria Sitchin's to Michael Telliniger's work, to the information that has been passed down for generations to people like Credo Mutwa, which makes Greer's assertions very hard to credit. I wish he would go into more detail because I would like to hear any different interpretations of the evidence, but I get the feeling he doesn't really have any.

I could even swallow his assertions that people who think they have been abducted by ETs are wrong about the nature of their experiences, that they are actually having astral experiences, or that they misinterpreted their experiences and that the ETs didn't actually hurt them, or even that they were actually abducted by synthetic beings manufactured by our own Secret Government as part of a false flag operation and so on.

But Sitchin's conclusions about the Annunaki and all the other researchers who have added to the store of theories about their role in our history (which was clearly not all benevolently motivated), are just too convincing. I wonder just how much time Greer has really spent on investigating the research others have done, before so easily dismissing it.

While I do feel in agreement with him that there are positively oriented ETs here now who are trying to help as Greer asserts, I just can't buy Greer's views about Earth history, no matter how self-assured he is about being correct.

I don't mean to resurrect debates about Greer's work here, as we have been there, done that on this forum, but this issue has always really puzzled me. It's so odd that someone like Greer, who has had such influence on the ET/UFO/Disclosure scene is so at odds in so many regards to so many others in the field.

Hi..nice post, but I'm not so sure that we shouldn't re-open the Greer debate at some point, as I think that there was alot left to be discussed after the Camelot interview...an interview that left many people feeling uncomfortable; myself included.

I personally would love to see a "one on one" between Bill and Dr.Greer...I think that it would be an awesome interview, devoid of the tangible antagonism of the last one. I just thought that it was a wasted opportunity with an element of point scoring on both sides. Bill definitely came out best there..and at worst he was sticking up for Kerry, who to my mind was rather offensive during alot of the interview. I think that a measured..hour long chat between Bill and Dr Greer would be an amazingly constructive event for both of our sites.

Merci

Rimbaud

[onawah]

Rimbaud, I think that would be wonderful too, but I just don't feel hopeful about it at this point, at least. It's not so much that I don't feel further debate is unnecessary, but just that I feel it would be fruitless until there is more information to work with, and that would necessitate Greer being more forthcoming to putting his own agenda aside long enough to answer the questions we would all like to ask, and I don't get the feeling he would be willing to do that, even with gentle coaxing from someone like Bill Ryan. I would be happy to be proven wrong!

[Renee]

"I could even swallow his assertions that people who think they have been abducted by ETs are wrong about the nature of their experiences, that they are actually having astral experiences, or that they misinterpreted their experiences and that the ETs didn't actually hurt them, or even that they were actually abducted by synthetic beings manufactured by our own Secret Government as part of a false flag operation and so on."

Frankly I find this idea or concept rather offensive - my experiences as a child started to really come out during a regression, just alfa state not hypnotized. What I started describing happening (grays floating me off the bed - age 11) came as a real shocker to both me and the therapist. Even though she claimed one could not make stuff up or lie in this state. At the same time she couldn't even believe what I was saying. This is something that is not suppose to happen in a session where the person is in a very vulnerable state - it compounds the sense of distress that the person is trying to work through.

Anyways - it also proves the point that she was also in no way leading me in this direction.
We both knew I had a very traumatic experience that I am still not 100% sure of what happened. But my body knows because it happen to my body, and any real therapist will tell you, you can't fake that. Nightmares or bad dreams do not leave these kinds of scars or traumatize your subconscious to the point of sheer panic and terror.

The only time I feel safe, now as an adult, is in a big city. As a child I lived up in the Yukon, I loved the woods and would walk for miles by myself - never afraid of anything. I used to love camping, and the wilderness. I have tried over and over to get passed my fear of small towns and camping....can't do it. I would walk down a back alley off Hastings and Main (bad area here) before you would get me out camping again.

And seriously what secret US agency is going to go out to the Yukon to abduct and traumatize 11 year olds....that sounds to me oddly enough even more ridiculous that ET abductions.

Greer needs to do a disclosure project on himself I fear....and does anyone else but me find it odd that someone keeps saying their hot and takes off their sports coat to show off their muscles. He has done this numerous times now - I don't get it. He seems he is getting very frustrated too.

Renee

[Etherios]

Its simple. Summer is almost out. If he doesnt do anything to oppose obama as he said its over for him simple as that. After this month i am sure obama wont have diclosured anything so Greer needs to act on his own words.. We will see how true greer is ... i am afraid he will disappoint all of us.

[scanner]

Posted by sygh (here)
Forgive me for editing. I'm not as eloquent or as well spoken, I find I have to mull over what I want to say, in order to get the essence of what I mean across. This is the last time I will do so. I hope we can talk about this.

I just wanted to put my own mind into perspective as to why we are all here and fully understand what Bill and Kerry have been trying to do. It's about the truth, it's about disclosure. It's about disinformation verses reality. It's real concern for the earth, the species who live upon it ~and off it. After the great interview Bill did with Paul Hellyer, all of the cumulative work and effort of Kerry and Bill, and all those who have come forward at great risk to their lives... so many people, to include our own undeniable work and experiences, why is it that I am here? Bill's interview allowed us to listen to Paul Hellyer; in it, he stated we have about 10 years to change the world. To disregard the disinformation and focus on reality by working together and supporting each other.
I think I am here to help push this work over the brink so that it becomes common knowledge. In the video below, Dr. Greer states the sign that we're ready equates to the work we are doing. We cannot change the world unless we come together and partisipate. Once given this information, information that confirms our own research or search, do we, or don't we have an obligation to live more and more by what we believe? I don't want to be afraid of any of this or confused. I don't feel that way any more, ya know? However, I do understand, through my own experience, there are those who are not necessarily friendly and that even me, in this state of consciousness, am capable of doing harm, if I forget that thought is instant in this state. I was shocked when I found that out. It told me something about myself. It told me that, even though I swore to do nothing but good, to be nothing but good, that thought was within me. I stopped it, and really recognized it... there it was. I almost swooped down and made a psychic hit on someone I felt was very negative in nature.

For instance, has anyone partisipated in group meditation in the same room with the kundalini force running through it?

If so, would you or any of the others be willing to talk about it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...29399739557807

Forgive me for editing. I'm not as eloquent or as well spoken, I find I have to mull over what I want to say, in order to get the essence of what I mean across. This is the last time I will do so. I hope we can talk about this.

Surely it's the MESSAGE that's important and not the way it is written , I find on these fora ppl DON'T post because of this . Absolute innate snobbery creeping on the internet, it is for everyone and not just for some who can spell or have the written skill to dumbdown others . So keep posting my friend .

Great post re Greer many thanks

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hi Rimbaud, I agree that the Camelot interview with Greer was uncomfortable to watch. It seemed more like an attack to me. I also agree he and Bill would make a better interview, but I doubt that he would agree after the way he was treated in the first one.

I know several people who have worked with Greer and they all think highly of him. That being said, it is my person perspective that often when someone is making a living off of a belief their ego becomes attached to it and the belief becomes more important than the truth - and I have seen much ego in Greer. Actually, if you want to know Greer's thoughts, reading his books and his website would be helpful.

My personal experience with ET's has been positive from my perspective. Does that mean all ET's are good? - I definitely can't say that - and I suspect that Greer can't say that for sure either.

As for your meditating: That is just one path to peace and source, there are many paths. Your experience in the garden tells me that nature might be your path. I have had wonderful experiences with nature. Flowers are great flow-ers of love and energy. I'd like to suggest that you go to the same spot every day where you have that peaceful experience and expect something to happen. Don't force it, just allow.

a bientot, Ba-ba-Ra

[onawah]

Posted by Renee (here)
"I could even swallow his assertions that people who think they have been abducted by ETs are wrong about the nature of their experiences, that they are actually having astral experiences, or that they misinterpreted their experiences and that the ETs didn't actually hurt them, or even that they were actually abducted by synthetic beings manufactured by our own Secret Government as part of a false flag operation and so on."

Frankly I find this idea or concept rather offensive - my experiences as a child started to really come out during a regression, just alfa state not hypnotized. What I started describing happening (grays floating me off the bed - age 11) came as a real shocker to both me and the therapist. Even though she claimed one could not make stuff up or lie in this state. At the same time she couldn't even believe what I was saying. This is something that is not suppose to happen in a session where the person is in a very vulnerable state - it compounds the sense of distress that the person is trying to work through.

Anyways - it also proves the point that she was also in no way leading me in this direction.
We both knew I had a very traumatic experience that I am still not 100% sure of what happened. But my body knows because it happen to my body, and any real therapist will tell you, you can't fake that. Nightmares or bad dreams do not leave these kinds of scars or traumatize your subconscious to the point of sheer panic and terror.

The only time I feel safe, now as an adult, is in a big city. As a child I lived up in the Yukon, I loved the woods and would walk for miles by myself - never afraid of anything. I used to love camping, and the wilderness. I have tried over and over to get passed my fear of small towns and camping....can't do it. I would walk down a back alley off Hastings and Main (bad area here) before you would get me out camping again.

And seriously what secret US agency is going to go out to the Yukon to abduct and traumatize 11 year olds....that sounds to me oddly enough even more ridiculous that ET abductions.

Greer needs to do a disclosure project on himself I fear....and does anyone else but me find it odd that someone keeps saying their hot and takes off their sports coat to show off their muscles. He has done this numerous times now - I don't get it. He seems he is getting very frustrated too.

Renee

Renee, you're right and I apologize. What I should have said was perhaps SOME abductees were actually having astral experiences, but I don't think they all could have been that confused or deceived. I have heard of SOME abductees who, after some therapy, hypnosis, etc. said that they weren't actually physically hurt but that it seemed to them they were hurt because they were so terrified.

I've always felt that the abductee programs were NOT benevolent but self-serving at the very least, even if the programs were somehow intended by the Zetas (who seem to have been doing most of it) to help us wake up, or, as some have asserted, that abductees actually volunteered (subconsciously) to be studied in order to help the Zetas save their own race (which would mean benevolence on the part of the abductees, but NOT the Zetas!!)
Greer's assertion that no ETs need our (or cattle's) DNA, or need to study our physiology also makes no sense to me. If benevolent ETs have been doing all the tissue sampling and mutilations for our own benefit, well, if they are benevolent, they could surely have done their studies without causing so much harm.

It doesn't make sense that our government would be doing all that over so many years. For what? Just to scare us? It makes more sense to me that not-so-benevolent ETs have been behind all this, though perhaps the Secret Government has had a hand in it too.

There's definitely something fishy about Greer's assertions, but I just felt like I had to give up on ever knowing what the deal is with him, whether it's ego or what. He certainly is dismissive of any views but his own, and I doubt if it will really make any difference to Greer whether Obama discloses or not. He will probably just keep on doing what he's doing.
If another country discloses, well that would be nice! I don't think it really matters which country goes first, just that it HAPPENS!

Really, I find it much harder to credit Greer's claims than I do most abductees. I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt for the sake of the discussion.

Wishing you the best...

[Rimbaud]

Posted by onawah (here)
Rimbaud, I think that would be wonderful too, but I just don't feel hopeful about it at this point, at least. It's not so much that I don't feel further debate is unnecessary, but just that I feel it would be fruitless until there is more information to work with, and that would necessitate Greer being more forthcoming to putting his own agenda aside long enough to answer the questions we would all like to ask, and I don't get the feeling he would be willing to do that, even with gentle coaxing from someone like Bill Ryan. I would be happy to be proven wrong!

You're absolutely correct in what you say...I'm actually in contact with Dr. Greer (at least I think I am)...and currently he isn't prepared to work with anyone from Camelot/ Avelon..he still resents "that" interview. It's a massive loss to us all however...can you imagine what ground could be covered between Greer and Bill? As you say..maybe in time!..I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

Best regards

Rimbaud

[Etherios]

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
You're absolutely correct in what you say...I'm actually in contact with Dr. Greer (at least I think I am)...and currently he isn't prepared to work with anyone from Camelot/ Avelon..he still resents "that" interview. It's a massive loss to us all however...can you imagine what ground could be covered between Greer and Bill? As you say..maybe in time!..I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

Best regards

Rimbaud

I will only consider Greer as a someone that i should listen to AFTER he does something now that the summer is almost gone. If he doesnt react (Obama will never disclose) then he is a nothing in my book. Just a pawn of the PTB to miss guide us... Truths with lies to mess us up.

[Rimbaud]

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
Hi Rimbaud, I agree that the Camelot interview with Greer was uncomfortable to watch. It seemed more like an attack to me. I also agree he and Bill would make a better interview, but I doubt that he would agree after the way he was treated in the first one.

I know several people who have worked with Greer and they all think highly of him. That being said, it is my person perspective that often when someone is making a living off of a belief their ego becomes attached to it and the belief becomes more important than the truth - and I have seen much ego in Greer. Actually, if you want to know Greer's thoughts, reading his books and his website would be helpful.

My personal experience with ET's has been positive from my perspective. Does that mean all ET's are good? - I definitely can't say that - and I suspect that Greer can't say that for sure either.

As for your meditating: That is just one path to peace and source, there are many paths. Your experience in the garden tells me that nature might be your path. I have had wonderful experiences with nature. Flowers are great flow-ers of love and energy. I'd like to suggest that you go to the same spot every day where you have that peaceful experience and expect something to happen. Don't force it, just allow.

a bientot, Ba-ba-Ra

Hi..thanks for your kind post and I pretty much concur with what you said about Dr. Greer...To conclude, please read my message to "Onawah", which is a brief of my point of view on this particular subject.

With regards to the "meditation" aspect of my earlier post..well it happened again today! Actually I'm a kind of mentally hyperactive kind of guy..always looking for peace of mind and friends peace of mind. The most amazing thing is that I drifted off (I was awake) listening to the waterfall by by back garden and was TOTALLY at peace with myself , probably for the first time since I was about twelve years old.

One extraordinary thing was that I was covered in butterflies from head to foot..how weird is that!

Anyway..many thanks for your posts

Love

Rimbaud

[Rimbaud]

Posted by Etherios (here)
I will only consider Greer as a someone that i should listen to AFTER he does something now that the summer is almost gone. If he doesnt react (Obama will never disclose) then he is a nothing in my book. Just a pawn of the PTB to miss guide us... Truths with lies to mess us up.

I guess that you're right..especially about Obama!..I never thought for a second that he'd "disclose" simply because he was black and new and groundbreaking. At the end of the day he's just the same old career politician..with the same old motives..the same old controls. The USA will never disclose, so I guess that it's up to the rest of us to do it.

Rimbaud

[sygh]

I don't mean to resurrect debates about Greer's work here, as we have been there, done that on this forum, but this issue has always really puzzled me. It's so odd that someone like Greer, who has had such influence on the ET/UFO/Disclosure scene is so at odds in so many regards to so many others in the field.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on this. I find him at odds too. I'm sorry I missed out on the debate. But I would like to hear about any experiences you've had meditating with more than just yourself in the room, if you've had an experience like that, and what was the experience like for you and or the others?

[onawah]

I agree with you on this. I find him at odds too. I'm sorry I missed out on the debate. But I would like to hear about any experiences you've had meditating with more than just yourself in the room, if you've had an experience like that, and what was the experience like for you and or the others?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I've done quite a lot of group meditation, and have always found it to be very powerful, as long as the participants share the same intentions. I have had all kinds of different experiences, from Wiccan circles to being in the presence of channelers, to living at a Zen Center. I still haven't had any contact with a UFO manned by ETs that I am aware of, but I hope to! I think Greer is really doing great work in that regard, as is James Gilliland.

[Renee]

Hi Onawah - sorry I was worried that you might interpret it this way. When I wrote this I was referring to the reference that Greer had made - I did not actually see it as your opinion as well. I frankly have some rather strong opinions on this subject and I am afraid that may have come out in a different way than was intended.

I believe we are basically at war here - it is a war of / for the earth and the inhabitants = mind body and especially the Christ potential of the soul - the golden elixir to immortally. Most of the population I also feel doesn't have a clue of their inner potential and that has been intentionally keep from them. Knowledge is power - no knowledge no power. Those that keep it that way or kill off anyone that believes. differently.

I also believe that Greer has a very personal agenda - I don't know anyone here personally but I am very proud of the way Kerry stood her ground with him. He is becoming a very intimidating personality - strong women don't buy into that crap. If I remember correctly he kept rolling up the sleeve on the side that was nearer to her. The body language says so much in the way of subconscious beliefs it's amazing.

He was so evasive and that might have worked with some men who are easily distracted but she wanted a straight answer and he was doing his damnedest to avoid it. It is also a well known physiological aspect of men, that those that are dismissive and disrespectful of women (also a reflection of their attitudes towards their own soul) are more easier manipulated by a someone that is a more 'alpha' type male. Greer is definitely pushing towards maintaining that status.

Also on that note - I think it would have been more effective as a team for Kerry and Bill to have sat side by side, rather than him sit between them. That would have reduced the 'attacked from both sides feeling'. But I feel it also became more of 'he got between them' as well - splitting a united front.

Anyways thank you for the conversation too! I will continue to work on being clearer in my intent.

Cheers!

[onawah]

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
I guess that you're right..especially about Obama!..I never thought for a second that he'd "disclose" simply because he was black and new and groundbreaking. At the end of the day he's just the same old career politician..with the same old motives..the same old controls. The USA will never disclose, so I guess that it's up to the rest of us to do it.

Rimbaud

I haven't given up completely on Obama yet. I think it was Andrew Basiago who said that Obama was told years ago that he would be the Disclosure President, and if things keep changing at the rate they are, if events keep getting more and more compressed into less and less time, if Obama gets reelected, who knows what might happen yet? At this juncture, politics is still a game of compromise, but someday that too will HAVE TO change.