Obama, his Birth Certificate and the Hidden History of the United States

[sigma6]

Thought this might help people see why the Obama B.C. issue is a bit of a canard, and why they don't bring it into court. Not because it is illegal (or should I say unlawful?) but because it would expose the underlying dynamics of how they are really operating... - ie. I believe he would be found 'not guilty' (as opposed to 'innocent', there's a difference btw...)

In any event, why would this be? Because it is perfectly legal for someone not born in the U.S to be the 'President' of a U.S. corporation. But, if he was found to be 'not guilty' - that would be letting the cat out of the bag, it would expose the whole commercial statutory system (based on benefits and privileges which can be taken away, ie you are much like an employee working for an employer!) in stark contrast to the common law constitutional system... (where you have inalienable rights)... so they (the government) know they are in no danger 'legally' but they also don't want to expose their game, nor educate the public either...

And in case you are wondering... most of us (like 99%) are caught up in the 'commercial' statutory world' (we gave up our rights, by improperly 'signing' a bunch of 'contracts' like SIN/ Health cards, Driver's License, etc.... note: try signing with "all rights reserved, for:[autograph]" and watch the government flip out!) combined with no one having a proper education of what their real rights are (maxim of law: He who sleeps on his rights, has none, period) and think about it, they even warned us... I remember someone telling my me their lawyer told them "never sign anything!..." (and yes he did mean that literally... and again, what that all entails is another story...)

Anyhow, if you see the implications of what is being said here, this should totally blow you out of the water... especially if this is the first time you have been exposed to this type of information...

... it means (for one thing) that the idea of having a separate commercial entity operating concurrently with the constitution, (one thing superimposed over another) was always in the cards, (and even possibly necessary for the government to operate commercially) but somehow these legal 'pirates' have managed to shanghai the 'ship' and drag everyone living on the 'land' into their world of admiralty jurisdiction (the law of the sea, commerce) and thus try and get us to 'forgo' our inalienable rights for a pittance (commercially administered benefits) statutory laws were originally meant to protect free men and women from 'government employees' (...think of the SSN as an 'employee' number...a legal entity in commerce... oops!)

... A lot of people interpret this to mean we have no rights and we are all 'caught' in a trap... well yes and no, not necessarily, for if one were truly educated in their constitutional rights, and understood everything about contracts, and finally the (private/public) trust law system that is overarching all of this, (you'd be a lawyer! - lol) then we could become the master's that we are, and put the servants (government servants ) to task... and one would be able to differentiate between a 'statute' and a 'law' and that too is another story... ...this is the very 'matrix' and 'rabbit hole' 'the' movie alludes to... it goes back generations... (and perhaps centuries and millenia as per Ring of Power/ Empire Of The City - World Superstate) ...and explains a lot ie. US/British military relationship, why Britain started lending money to US immediately after the 'Revolution', etc.

Winston Shrout - History of origin of US presidency and how it sheds light on Obama's 'game' regarding the B.C. issue

http://www.4shared.com/folder/QjKmdu...stitution.html

[Arrowwind]

I never gave the Obama birth certificate thing much creedence until recently..
now I believe it to be a complete fraud.

since they list him as being born in a hospital in Hawaii that did not exist at the time in a name of a hospital that now exists, the result of a merger of a hospital an a clinic that did exist at the time of his birth, both with different names.... so why is not the real name of the real place on that paper? and then they list his father being from a country that did not exist at the time , Kenya was not called Kenya till some years after 1961.

some pretty serious screw ups for a forgery. What idiot could have done such a poor job at it anyway?

[Paranormal]

I've been following this and I'm listening to Sean Morton's radio show now & he's talking about it. I found out Obama's certificate has a "wrong" number. His number was EARLIER than other certificates in Hawaii for babies born after him (ie, his number should be greater than birth certificates of babies younger than him!)

[Operator]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
some pretty serious screw ups for a forgery. What idiot could have done such a poor job at it anyway?

If you ask me they deliberately want people to find it ... (perhaps the masses are so much asleep they can't get them to wake up).
There are so many breadcrumbs in the trail, somebody wants you to find the way home.

One plausible explanation I heard recently is that they want a solid lead up to changing the constitution and while at it change a whole lot more.
So make a lot of stuff legal as we go ...

Although I have a feeling they don't bother at all about constitution anymore looking at the signing of the recent executive order

[sigma6]

Posted by Paranormal (here)
I've been following this and I'm listening to Sean Morton's radio show now & he's talking about it. I found out Obama's certificate has a "wrong" number. His number was EARLIER than other certificates in Hawaii for babies born after him (ie, his number should be greater than birth certificates of babies younger than him!)

I was watching 'JOHN CARTER' the movie, and funny, the scene where he is reading the 'telegram' near the beginning of the movie. The first thing that shouted at me was 'computer printout!!' It's like the continuity people were so young they probably didn't know what an old typewriter type font and kern would have looked like (LOL) - that was sad, considering the budget. oh well... To the best of my understanding the Birth Certificate (BC) is a 'derivative' or 'extraction' of the 'Statement of Live Birth' (SOLB) document, all of which, are forms of 'legal property' and 'trust instruments', the extracted BC in particular was created and is owned by the Government with an entirely different trust relationship then the document it was derived from (SOLB), it's not yours, you only have beneficial 'use' of it in a subtle and hidden trust relationship... and in the strictest legal sense it is not even considered a form of identity (this we have solid) BUT is used as a foundation document to CREATE 'identity'... which legally means you have attached yourself to a corporate 'person' as a trustee w/ liability and surety for every legal account created from it. And yet at the end of the day, since it is their 'property' they can do whatever they want with it.

[kcbc2010]

I also used to think that the birthers were nutters until I read http://www.rense.com/general94/isthere.htm

It asked some questions that I had been afraid say out loud. Also, just given the scrutiny of GWB , I've been wanting to see the grades and the hear from the disgruntled old girlfriends. It's just odd that there's always one more piece of the story coming out and it seems like we never get any straight answers. Regardless of whether you liked GWB, you, at least, could get a timeline for where he was and what he was doing when. I never had a good feeling about Obama and it's because of this kind of stuff. It's really like the lady who really doesn't want to admit that her man's having an affair because then she'd have to do something about it.

Yes, I do understand that there are Obama supporters on PA and I'm really not trying to offend anyone. However, it's this sort of thing that makes me think something kind of shady going on.

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but he's never answered the questions in a way that really puts the matter to rest and the fact that so many people have the same questions would be bothersome to most reasonable people. People can deal with something like GWB having pronunciation issues. However, w/Obama there's a substantial body of evidence (that continues to grow) that this guy is a sham who's being propped up by his handlers.

My problem isn't him, personally, but I do care if he's defrauding the American people and the entire world by claiming to be someone or something he's not. As fellow truth-seekers, I would ask Obama supporters on PA to respect those of us who are asking these questions, instead of dismissing people's legitimate concerns. My instinct tells me this guy is a fraud.