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    Dick Cheney receives heart transplant

    Dick Cheney received a heart transplant at the age of 71 after battling congestive heart failure.
    (CBS/AP) Did former Vice President Dick Cheney get special treatment when the 71-year-old got a heart transplant on Saturday? Doctors are saying it's unlikely the Republican septuagenarian was bumped ahead of thousands of younger people who were also in line to get a new heart.

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    "You can't leapfrog the system," said Dr. Allen Taylor, cardiology chief at MedStar Georgetown University Hospital. "It's a very regimented and fair process and heavily policed."

    More than 3,100 Americans are waiting now for a new heart, and about 330 die each year before one becomes available. When one does, doctors check to see who is a good match and in highest medical need. The heart is offered locally, then regionally and finally nationally until a match is made.

    Cheney's case reopens debate about whether rules should be changed to favor youth over age in giving out scarce organs. As it stands now, time on the waiting list, medical need and where you live determine the odds of scoring a new heart - not how many years you'll live to make use of it.

    "The ethical issues are not that he had a transplant, but who didn't?" Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist at Scripps Health in La Jolla, Calif., wrote on Twitter.

    Cheney received the new heart Saturday at Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, Va., the same place where he received an implanted heart pump that has kept him alive since July 2010. It appears he went on the transplant wait list around that time, 20 months ago.

    Cheney had severe congestive heart failure and had suffered five heart attacks over the past 25 years. He's had countless procedures to keep him going - bypasses, artery-opening angioplasty, pacemakers and surgery on his legs. Yet he must have had a healthy liver and kidneys to qualify for a new heart, doctors said.

    "We have done several patients hovering around age 70" although that's about "the upper limit" for a transplant, said Dr. Mariell Jessup, a University of Pennsylvania heart failure specialist and American Heart Association spokeswoman. "The fact he waited such a long time shows he didn't get any favors."

    Jessup and Taylor spoke Sunday from the American College of Cardiology's annual conference in Chicago, where Cheney's treatment was a hot topic.

    Patients can get on more than one transplant list if they can afford the medical tests that each center requires to ensure eligibility, and can afford to fly there on short notice if an organ becomes available. For example, the late Apple chief Steve Jobs was on a transplant list in Tennessee and received a new liver at a hospital there in 2009 even though he lived in California.

    That's not done nearly as often with hearts as it is for livers or kidneys, said Dr. Samer Najjar, heart transplant chief at MedStar Washington Hospital Center. Each transplant center decides for itself how old a patient it will accept, he said.

    "Most centers wouldn't put somebody on" at Cheney's age, said University of Pennsylvania bioethicist Art Caplan, who has testified before many panels on organ sharing issues.

    "I've been arguing for a long time that the system should pay more attention to age because you'll get a better return on the gift" because younger people are more likely to live longer with a donor organ, Caplan said.

    There have been other recent reports of successful heart transplants in septuagenarians.

    In Canada, a man described as a home builder and philanthropist received a heart transplant when he was 79 at the University Hospital in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He lived for more than a decade with the organ, dying in 2010 at age 90.

    In Texas, a 75-year-old retired veterinarian received a heart last year from a 61-year-old donor, but he had been a marathon runner and was presumably healthier than many of his peers.

    Cheney will have to take daily medicines to prevent rejection of his new heart and go through rehabilitation to walk and return to normal living. He was former President George W. Bush's vice president for eight years, from 2001 until 2009.

    About 5.8 million Americans suffer from heart failure and other 57,000 will die of it this year.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_1...ial-treatment/


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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    Let's hope he doesn't die before justice has time to pierce his rotten chest cavity. It's a big lie, there is no heart in there.

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    Yes I was just going to say , is it a transplant when he didn't have a heart to begin with........I wonder how the person who's heart he got would feel about this....they may be a fan but then again they may really wish they had eaten a lot more crap in their life


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    Let's hope he doesn't die before justice has time to pierce his rotten chest cavity. It's a big lie, there is no heart in there.

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    Dick Cheney has a heart??

    I observe with interest.....

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    Quote Posted by Selene (here)
    Dick Cheney has a heart??

    I observe with interest.....

    LOL,

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    71 years old and you get a heart transplant ?? your not gonna live long anyway, next week could be a brain tumor, alzemers, kidney failure, any number of things. that makes no dang sense to be that age and get a new heart your gonna pass over anyday. what a waste of heart that could have went to a twenty year old with a long life ahead. this stinks.
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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    The thing about heart transplants (and some other transplant too) is that you have to wait until one turns up that is a match for you, otherwise it will be rejected as suitable for you, even the matched transplants do not always 'take'. This makes it difficult to 'jump the queue' because a heart that is available is matched to someone whom it matches, not to the person on the top of the queue. It does seem unfair having to wait as others whiz past. If you are O neg blood group your chances of a match are quite slim, no matter who you are as your group is rare. As someone else mentioned the ability to jump on a plane and go to the donated organ is also a plus, though that is easier to do for organs other than hearts.

    I shouldn't think that Dick Cheney will be very active in public life again, people who have transplants are usually eager to enjoy what is left for them, and they often do very well.

    On the news today there was a story of a boy who had an intestinal transplant as his intestine was diseased! This branch of medicine (ie transplants) is certainly moving fast!

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    I hear heart transplants can change the person - they gain some attributes of the donor - in ways that conventional medicine does not recognize.

    Odds are, if that's the case, that Cheney will be more aware and caring (he couldn't get much less .)
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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    beyond the hate, the whole question whether a 71 year old man should get a heart transplant
    or for that matter a knee replacement or other major surgery smacks of death panel stuff and
    in turn an indictment of obamacare.

    shows a true lack of compassion for the will to live (well).

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    A dear friend of mine, a doctor, underwent heart surgery. Interesting thing... Before the operation he was a strict bachelor. He had a sculpting hobby and liked to do a lot of galavanting. After the surgery he became very sensitive, got married, has two kids now, is sculpting voraciously, and has a deeper sense of how his actions effect others. He was always a good friend, but after this we became CLOSE friends. Our conversations are filled with respect and deep candour... Now as to Dick, I was surprised as anyone to hear he had a ticker in the first place, LOL. But wouldn't it be interesting if he started to change? What if..... (drumroll please)... Dick found his soul? Now I'm not going to hold my breath on this one, LOL, however, I am going to observe what he does next with great interest.

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate








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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    Well hes a very important man or so I am told lol. He has done alot to better things let me think of some.......Ok I couldn't find anything. A movie comes to mind to me. Repo Men. Anyone want to start this up?
    If everyday I can bring a smile to a persons face than I can go peacefully into the nite.

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    shame on all the avalon haters.

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    We may be looking at this from the wrong angle !!!....



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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    I thought that only people who had a heart were able to get a transplant.

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    Default Re: Dick Cheney's heart transplant at 71 spurs age debate

    This topic reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Marge is asked to paint portrait of Mr Burns. When an art critic sees the painting she says the following:

    He's bad, but he'll die. So I like it.
    -- Art critic, on Marge's portrait of Mr. Burns, ``Brush with Greatness''


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