If a picture = a thousand words and a symbol = a thousand pictures ...

[Operator]

Hi,

Sometimes you just bump into stuff by accident ... I recently felt the connection with some symbols was probably more than coincidence.

Please feel free to add your 'discoveries' to this thread. It's about time we learn to read symbols.
If the assumption in the thread title is correct it is like you learn speed reading

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Here's the first:

Microsoft Windows

So should we perhaps call it Windows Chi Rho ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

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Symbol for Google Mail:


Wow, looks like .....



Rose Croix apron of Scottish Rite (surprise surprise ).
From website: http://www.freemasoncollection.com/1...-18-DEGREE.php
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Ok, now it is your turn (this could be fun).

[nomadguy]

as to the first picture, it reminds me of what is presented here

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSB93dGMGeg

[Zebra]

Posted by Operator (here)

Microsoft Windows

So should we perhaps call it Windows Chi Rho ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

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Symbol for Google Mail:


Wow, looks like .....



Rose Croix apron of Scottish Rite (surprise surprise ).
From website: http://www.freemasoncollection.com/1...-18-DEGREE.php
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Operator, nice challenge. Can we also provide our own readings of logos as well? Provide - where we so feel inclined - our own textual analysis, from our own world views, culturally held beliefs, socio/political upbringing etc., as to other possible impacts they are making as well in the creation of meaning?

For example:
The first logo: I see is the colour of gold, a symbol of wealth and high standing and pointing to control and power. I draw these conclusions because you have also provided text that this logo is belonging to Microsoft Windows. I also see two points at the ends of the X and P drawings, which look like horns and I connote these with something hidden, maybe satanic. I then go to your wikipedia reference and discover that this is a religious icon that has been reframed, and that again supports my initial reading that Microsoft is deliberately appropriating this sign, to reinforce for its intended audience that it is the saviour and the real power in the computing universe. However, from my worldview, which is apple mac centric and also suspicious of the pathway that Bill Gates has gone down, I provide a negative reading. Not that apple has a perfect human rights program either.

The second one for google mail is so clever, now that you point out the source material: Secret, sealed, protected and important. Great marketing, I have to say.

[Operator]

Posted by Zebra (here)
Operator, nice challenge. Can we also provide our own readings of logos as well?

Yes, please ... by having some sort of discussion we might learn to view from different angles and discover other properties.
If this enhances the total perception it is like you get some glasses handed to you as in the movie "They live" but now for real.

The Chi Rho is, b.t.w., not always pictured like shown above. One aspect I see in it is that the X looks like crossed bones.
Maybe there is someone with a plausible link between P and a skull then you would literally get Skull and bones ...

Posted by Zebra (here)
However, from my worldview, which is apple mac centric ...

It is said that the apple logo might have some malevolent background too ...


The biblical bite out of the apple which started all the trouble etc.

[Zebra]

Oh thanks Operator.

The apple logo, yes it does carry the story of adam and eve .. and the fruit of knowledge but on another level, it points to Eve being the seductress sent by the devil to corrupt Adam with carnal knowledge: hence the forbidden fruit .. which is, as the marketeers know, is something we all want To the extent that they have followed this myth line through to create a ´i must have´iPad, iMac, iPhone culture. Clever alright. The products are very good, mind you, but the marketing has played a huge role in creating a need and the subsequent tipping point in sales for apple mac products.

[Cartomancer]

The Chi Rho or Labarum symbol originated in Mesopotamia and was also used by the Minoans. The Minoans called it a Labarys. It means Stargate or heaven's gate. Many feel that the Labarum and the Fasci are indeed the same symbol or may be interpreted as being the same. The Google mail thing is interesting due to the similarities you pointed out to the Royal Mail. M is the 13th letter and this also may be part of what is being said there.

[WhiteFeather]

Check this out.

http://mountzion144.ning.com/group/c...Group%3A225508

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Symbols are present in the collective unconscious.

So, when you look at logos and other things, and identify similarities with ancient symbols, it doesn´t mean that the person who designed the logo did it on purpose.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Operator]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey mate,

Symbols are present in the collective unconscious.

So, when you look at logos and other things, and identify similarities with ancient symbols, it doesn´t mean that the person who designed the logo did it on purpose.

Cheers,

Raf.

I agree. But in some (most ?) cases it is on purpose.
Although I started the thread on symbols I am well aware that it will probably shift to logo's eventually.

Big, known, companies have their logo professionally designed for a lot of money. So, although you're
right I think that we can exclude coincidence in a lot of cases.
Even when an 'unconscious' coincidental hit occurs it is probably still 'related'.

[Zebra]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey mate,

Symbols are present in the collective unconscious.

So, when you look at logos and other things, and identify similarities with ancient symbols, it doesn´t mean that the person who designed the logo did it on purpose.

Cheers,

Raf.

I agree. But in some (most ?) cases it is on purpose.
Although I started the thread on symbols I am well aware that it will probably shift to logo's eventually.

Big, known, companies have their logo professionally designed for a lot of money. So, although you're
right I think that we can exclude coincidence in a lot of cases.
Even when an 'unconscious' coincidental hit occurs it is probably still 'related'.

I agree operator, what I have learned from experience in being a part of the logo development process, one of the defining informers behind final design, is a quest for the story behind the brand. And this is where the great underlying myths of a society can be tapped into.

Also, a good designer, will actively seek out references from history that will support a story, because these references are loaded with discrete information that already carry key elements of a grand story line. Of course, this is not a conscious process behind all logo design - but those with money do put in this deeper thinking.

[RMorgan]

Hey mates,

Well, some logos might be indeed design to achieve a similarity with certain occultists symbols on purpose, but I´m sure it´s the minority of them.

Most part of the companies around the world don´t even have a design team, so they hire design agencies to design their logos, labels, etc...

Such design agencies are mostly formed by young professionals that aren´t, by any means, aware of the occult, masonic symbols and these kind of things.

However, every creative professional is unconsciously connected with the collective mind (this is in fact one of the definitions of creativity). The effectiveness of a logo is directly connected to its abilities to be interpreted as a symbol, and symbols are the root of visual communication.

So, basically, every extremely well designed and successful logo can be identified to ancient/primitive symbols (mostly sex related symbols, that appeal to primitive visceral emotions), and this is what make them so effective...Buuuut it doesn´t mean it´s on purpose; it´s just part of the creative process, which basically drinks from the same fountain.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Möbius]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)



Check this out.

http://mountzion144.ning.com/group/c...Group%3A225508

I noticed the other day that the badge on my Mini Cooper looks a bit "Annunaki" as well!

[xbusymom]

This one looks self-explanitory... but how many of us really take heed of its warning:



P.S. great thread!

[RMorgan]

Well, wings on logos are always associated with speed, freedom, wind, etc... (post #12)

The human being always dreamed about flying. The bird, is the most perfect example of efficient locomotion in nature, with total freedom do fly anywhere they want, without any obstacles.

So, it´s natural the wings are used in transportation logos, so, when you look at it, it evokes the same feelings that when you think of a flying bird.

Imagine a car with a logo that looks like a turtle, or an elephant. It wouldn´t work, right?

Remember that nature is here much before the existence of symbols, which are human made.

Not everything is connected to the occult, secret societies, etc...

Cheers,

Raf.

[Zebra]

Hi RMorgan (may I call you Raf ?),
I am not suggesting that logo designers, including highly paid ones, are looking for the right occult symbol to appropriate. I am saying that they can immerse themselves in reference material that supports the story behind a brand for inspiration. As per a design brief. Consciously, or unconsiously, the story behind the brand is part of a brief.

That is all. And of course, I would also add that any designer who values their work and the creative process will channel in their own way to mix intuition (drawing down from the universe) with existing knowledge (call it research) in the production of a design. The outcome, even unconsciously, will always tell a story if you take the time to unpack the inherent symbology and metaphors contained in a presented design. I guess it is then up to the client to say if that is the story they want.

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey mates,

Well, some logos might be indeed design to achieve a similarity with certain occultists symbols on purpose, but I´m sure it´s the minority of them.

Most part of the companies around the world don´t even have a design team, so they hire design agencies to design their logos, labels, etc...

Such design agencies are mostly formed by young professionals that aren´t, by any means, aware of the occult, masonic symbols and these kind of things.

However, every creative professional is unconsciously connected with the collective mind (this is in fact one of the definitions of creativity). The effectiveness of a logo is directly connected to its abilities to be interpreted as a symbol, and symbols are the root of visual communication.

So, basically, every extremely well designed and successful logo can be identified to ancient/primitive symbols (mostly sex related symbols, that appeal to primitive visceral emotions), and this is what make them so effective...Buuuut it doesn´t mean it´s on purpose; it´s just part of the creative process, which basically drinks from the same fountain.

Cheers,

Raf.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by nomadguy (here)
as to the first picture, it reminds me of what is presented here

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSB93dGMGeg

Thanx for posting this Nomadguy


Now that was the most informative hour i had in months.

And boy o boy have i drawn a lot of stick figures in my life ( had no clue i was actually on to something )

[RMorgan]

Hello my friend,

Of course you can call me Raf!

I get your point and I agree with you.

Cheers,

Raf.

Posted by Zebra (here)
Hi RMorgan (may I call you Raf ?),
I am not suggesting that logo designers, including highly paid ones, are looking for the right occult symbol to appropriate. I am saying that they can immerse themselves in reference material that supports the story behind a brand for inspiration. As per a design brief. Consciously, or unconsiously, the story behind the brand is part of a brief.

That is all. And of course, I would also add that any designer who values their work and the creative process will channel in their own way to mix intuition (drawing down from the universe) with existing knowledge (call it research) in the production of a design. The outcome, even unconsciously, will always tell a story if you take the time to unpack the inherent symbology and metaphors contained in a presented design. I guess it is then up to the client to say if that is the story they want.

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey mates,

Well, some logos might be indeed design to achieve a similarity with certain occultists symbols on purpose, but I´m sure it´s the minority of them.

Most part of the companies around the world don´t even have a design team, so they hire design agencies to design their logos, labels, etc...

Such design agencies are mostly formed by young professionals that aren´t, by any means, aware of the occult, masonic symbols and these kind of things.

However, every creative professional is unconsciously connected with the collective mind (this is in fact one of the definitions of creativity). The effectiveness of a logo is directly connected to its abilities to be interpreted as a symbol, and symbols are the root of visual communication.

So, basically, every extremely well designed and successful logo can be identified to ancient/primitive symbols (mostly sex related symbols, that appeal to primitive visceral emotions), and this is what make them so effective...Buuuut it doesn´t mean it´s on purpose; it´s just part of the creative process, which basically drinks from the same fountain.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Operator]

I think of a symbol like a key. It gives access to something which is under your control or governance. And only you
are able to (grant) access to whatever this something is. This makes a symbol almost by default something occult.
(Which only means hidden).

Since you cannot show the something that's hidden (a business concept or a recipe like Coca Cola, KFC etc.) you
wave the key around instead to show you have got something no one else has.

Symbols can also be used to unite, 'lock in' or identify ideas or concepts then box them in and keep the contents separated
from the rest ...

If you don't notice the scratch marks on the tree you will unsuspectingly walk into bear territory.
Understanding symbols is like being able to read ...

[RMorgan]

Posted by Operator (here)
I think of a symbol like a key. It gives access to something which is under your control or governance. And only you
are able to (grant) access to whatever this something is. This makes a symbol almost by default something occult.
(Which only means hidden).

Since you cannot show the something that's hidden (a business concept or a recipe like Coca Cola, KFC etc.) you
wave the key around instead to show you have got something no one else has.

Symbols can also be used to unite, 'lock in' or identify ideas or concepts then box them in and keep the contents separated
from the rest ...

If you don't notice the scratch marks on the tree you will unsuspectingly walk into bear territory.
Understanding symbols is like being able to read ...

I agree 100% my friend.

Have you ever read C.G Jung? This man went really deep into this subject.

Cheers,

Raf.

[jaybee]

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by nomadguy (here)
as to the first picture, it reminds me of what is presented here

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSB93dGMGeg

Thanx for posting this Nomadguy


Now that was the most informative hour i had in months.

I agree...it was excellent...thanks Nomadguy

Re. the Thunderbolt - I was also reminded of the Ancient Egyptian Djed Pillar


http://www.google.com/search?q=djed%...ZztDw&tbm=isch


and the Fleur de Lys


http://www.google.com/search?q=fleur...Nu5gC&tbm=isch


those modern photographic captures of intense electrical discharge in plasma were incredible...

And boy o boy have i drawn a lot of stick figures in my life ( had no clue i was actually on to something )

hahaha....you genius you...


ps...nice thread Operator