"They"...

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by king anthony (here)

To say not "seeing eye to eye" is to imply/impose fictions (such as opinions) are being discussed.

Not at all really, it may just imply we are considering "facts" of different weight, or that our pools of "facts" have some exclusivity, as I would not consider that either you or I know all there is to know.


ADDITION: I have little interest in "saving" everyone. I understand the way things work in from a point of view of much vaster systems, this likely explains my peculiar (to some) POV on the topic.

[passiglight]

There is something i would like to point out which is a counter measure to your empowering description of the elites guys.......

There is a paradox and that is: We are still alive........

and i don't actually credit the elites with quite so much patience as some, because i think if they could have done us in they would have done it allready........

So there is a reason We are still here and alive, and that reason is because we are a genetic hybrid bio experiment, and that comment means that somebody created us and our experience mode and i would suggest that somebody doesn't want their experiment prematurely ended.......

The way i see it.......

We are all on a really big ship which is on auto control and no one can get access to the drive equipment or the auto pilot which is set to a straightline course, which is reasonably safe..

The crew are the Elites and we are the passengers.......and Gaia is our ship in a star flung armada with our sun as the lead ship, and we are all traveling through our galaxy together, and currently through the galactic ribbon at 1 million miles an hour and there is not one single thing they can do to change that fact..

They cannot maneuver a complete solar system,,and they cannot change their group destiny anymore than they can ours.,we are all in this together, whether they like it or not..

and whether they like it or not our existence is monitored and ordered by those who are conducting this experience..

The elites cannot and will not tolerate the "paradox" of "us alive" for them it is either white or black,,,,so how come we are still here ?,,,,,,,

in many ways, although they disgust me very much, the elites are feckless fools, whom we should not be too damming of for we know not what we did before.

As a side note to what Roman said above,,,,i would have said it was far to late to be able to have any reasonable cause or affect on the elite structure now, it is even decades too late.............

respect to you big energies and peace, masters of the paradox

we are energy

[ROMANWKT]

Hi passiglight

All that you had said is a very good way of looking at this and sensible, but they are strangling all resources, they are now in control of all of it, and that is something that they have achieved, that is the biggest problem at the moment, it will interfere with the experiment sooner rather than later, it has begun.

Regards to you and your as always
roman

[Delight]

Posted by king anthony (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
I would like to say... think and action. we are here, but we are completely sterile...

Bravo!!!

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
None of these things that they do, can or will take away that which has value to me. When you cease to fear, the fear of their control ceases to control you... The solutions cannot be easily found within "their" systems. A new paradigm is required, and it is one I am helping to build...

Is it not so "they" can takeaway your friends, your family, your means of support, your home, your happiness, your reputation, your memories, your dreams, your goals, your accomplishments, your sanity, your inner self and such. Yes, yes they can take it all away - for they can even takeaway your life too.

The things stated above need to be defended and fought for - doing nothing is giving it all away........
.......Make the needed sacrifices now for a better tomorrow for all. Or do nothing and simply wait.

If you, King Anthony have suffered all these things personally in this lifetime or in memory, I do not wish to discount the pain. It is not my intention either to just be contrary. I too believe in Sovereignty as the highest value in social interaction.

But I see things a bit back arseward than the paradigm of "what you get is what you see already there...respond to it". I experience life from inside out and front to back. I want to imagine then see it all take shape and then tweak and then see, tweak and then see....on and on until???? In my experience, I have seen my reality change as I have changed my relationship to it. I won't bore with details. However this is very much the case. Maybe I am lucky or maybe I am in on a law that is also natural?

One is FIRST free to conceive of the world in which one wants to lend attention. There is freedom to respond to what is NOW in one's presence.
This is not confined to one approach to conception....There is always the joy of Tilting at Windmills....

Tilting at windmills is an English idiom which means "attacking imaginary enemies." The word “tilt,” here, means “fight.” This idiomatic phrase originated in the novel Don Quixote, and is often used today in reference to persistent engagement in a futile activity. At one point in the novel, Don Quixote fights windmills that he imagines to be giants. Quixote sees the windmill blades as the giant's arms, for instance. Here is the relevant portion of the novel:

"Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did Don Quixote see them that he said to his squire, "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless."

[Woody]

Hi Roman, this is very true, 'They' own everything, the land we live on, the water we drink, the food we eat, they do indeed control everything. We are born into debt and slavery, and I believe that a great culling is coming, through disease, war and famine. My heart breaks at what might be around the corner, not only for the human race but for all life on this planet.
Peace, woody

[Delight]

In this strange amalgamation of everything in the borderland, I want to work for what is happening around me that belies the fear.
I may be a fool but I am a fool for what is as truer for me than the news. Thanks for letting me contribute my news here.
And even if wants to go "there" to the story told in the news of youtube videos, what is the ending? The Fat Lady has not sung yet but David Wilcox (no, not Wilcock) is singing:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy0LBGTYyfg

[Godiam]

If, in your perception of reality, WE ARE ALL ONE, There is no THEY, and to buy into THEM and US is to play the GAME of DUALITY!

We can choose to fight against ASPECTS of SELF, or we can CHOOSE PEACE and realize it's all JUST AN ILLUSION anyway!

We create our PERCEPTION of REALITY with our THOUGHTS and BELIEFS, (This is how powerful we are) and to choose to create your reality in a fear based belief system, is choosing DUALITY over ONENESS!

I will continue to create the world I choose to live in, and refuse to buy into fear based versions of the illusion!

HUGS...........Godiam

[king anthony]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
-- If you are referring to my first point... I haven't looked that hard to be honest.

I say, at the risk of sounding arrogant, none other has support my words more.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
...as I would not consider that either you or I know all there is to know...

I say, how would one know if or when another comes that does have more knowledge, more understanding and is willing to share!?

Unfortunately, this discussion (between us) will be of no value if we continue - I wish you well.

Posted by Delight (here)

If you, King Anthony have suffered all these things personally in this lifetime or in memory... I have seen my reality change as I have changed my relationship to it. I won't bore with details. However this is very much the case. Maybe I am lucky or maybe I am in on a law that is also natural... This is not confined to one approach to conception....There is always the joy of Tilting at Windmills....

I say, it is human arrogance to be something more then what they are. All share the same reality; however, each has their own experiences. There is one (true) Natural Law and there are ways that do more harm when seeking "freedom" and ways that do not - there are ways to be the non-aggressor and ways to be not - there are not more then one truths/facts - social conditioning has the masses/population be falsely empowered to believe there is.

[king anthony]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
...so is it the answer...

If I may add, giving the benefit of the doubt to all things said (here) - is not insanity doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results - social conditioning has most not seeing this and it is so well ingrained they cannot accept these words.

[thunder24]

They are far from being done, we were created to b slaves, they pick the ones they want. If humans would come together and create friendships in real life...such as meeting up and having discussions on topics from here. Find out what u can of the other people..hear their story...that is love and light.

"If u see a hole fill it, so the next person don't step in" = You see a human that needs help..help them...don't just say u will send them good energy, some times all it takes is a conversation.

and yes they control the water and food....regain control of ur resources...this takes more then internet banter...

peace

[DeDukshyn]

I say, how would one know if or when another comes that does have more knowledge, more understanding and is willing to share!?

You wouldn't; and thus as is evidenced ... you don't.
To think one "knows" all there is to "know" is self defeating foolishness.

And there is no point giving you indications to the remedies you seek. You are in denial of an entire reality that does not support the current one you consistently lay out. Thus you give it no value, so as to keep the weight on your perceived "wrongs".

I wish you well, as I am straying this topic from its intent, I shall go present my wisdom elsewhere ... Take Care King.

[king anthony]

You wouldn't; and thus as is evidenced...

Here is an example of one realizing their limits.

[Moz]

Considering it all (as best I can) I TRY to see it as simple as I can make it.

We are more people on earth than any time before.
Also there are more of us wanting to "see" or at least trying to understand what the hell we are doing here.
Things are moving in some direction and there are many that try to control this, even some who claim they actually do.
Freedom, justice, truth, respect, love etc. is a bit more possible for us (as individuals) now than 1000 years ago...its not perfect but I say give it another 10.000 years.

I for one believe in us, in you...we have to make it work but just for a while, just for the now...there is no "solution" that will last forever...I mean this is just my common sense (I may be off here) but I trust in the best I can do, and also believe that you do the best that you can...just a little bit better and we will make it over the top to the next hill.

A Big hug to you all,
Moz.

[king anthony]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
...this takes more then internet banter...

Are you referring to the "keyboard" (weekend) warrior??

[mariposafe]

Hi all, an interesting discussion, and as I see it, everyone is right !!

Globally, things are not getting better. This is surely evident. That is not to deny those people, like Delight, who thankfully are manifesting their reality, envisioning our future and living a wonderful, harmonious life. Good for you Delight, and thanks for your contributiuons. I believe everyone on this forum is doing what they can, with the resources, physical and emotional which they have available. Likewise, there are people all over the world who are doing their best to create something better, something fairer, something more sustainable, a world where we can all live in harmony. (Is this actually possible ? Or just a fantasy ?) But these things take time, everyone in the alternative community seems to think we are evolving, that more and more people are awake, that the "hundredth monkey" will wake up tomorrow, but all these people forget that for every one person waking up, there are tens of thousands of children being processed by the system, and rolling off the education production line as ready and willing slaves, happy to take out a mortgage, happy to put their money into a pension plan for the government to steal, happy to slog away on a daily basis for peanuts.

The bastards in power aren't scared, they are probably pissing themselves laughing.

The control system is getting stronger and stronger, there is no denying this. BUT ......

A wave travelling across the ocean is bound to crash against a shore; an over-inflated balloon is bound to burst; a long night is bound to end at daybreak.......

The system will crash, one day. And it will do so with a very very loud bang ! People will get hurt, belief systems will be shattered, and the phoenix will rise out of the ashes. So.... I am hopeful, I know it will come to an end, but whether it will be in my lifetime I know not.

Yes - we are all one, AT THE LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS. At the physical, mundane, 3d level, we clearly are not.

So the solution (if one exists) to the problem (if one exists) lies in the non-physical, timeless dimension which defies our logic, and defies our ability to speak of it.

As ever, I may be completey wrong in evrything I think or say, so follow your own intuition, and continue doing whetever you can for you and yours.

Philip

[thunder24]

Posted by mariposafe (here)
So the solution (if one exists) to the problem (if one exists) lies in the non-physical, timeless dimension which defies our logic, and defies our ability to speak of it.

As ever, I may be completey wrong in evrything I think or say, so follow your own intuition, and continue doing whetever you can for you and yours.

Philip

If it defies our logic then we should do nothing...sounds like ostrich with head in sand mentality...however i agree u should follow ur own intuition...

peace

[king anthony]

Posted by thunder24 (here)

Posted by mariposafe (here)
...So the solution (if one exists) to the problem (if one exists) lies in the non-physical, timeless dimension which defies our logic, and defies our ability to speak of it...

..sounds like ostrich with head in sand mentality...

Bingo Thunder - solve real problems with fictions.

[jorr lundstrom]

Are we not sources creations? Made in the image of source.

Are not wot we call our experiences, the experiences of

source? Why fret, why fear, everyhing is here this precious

moment. Everything is as it is meant to be. How could anything

be otherwise than it is? All is rolling out just fine.

All is well


Jorr

[thunder24]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Are we not sources creations? Made in the image of source.

Are not wot we call our experiences, the experiences of

source? Why fret, why fear, everyhing is here this precious

moment. Everything is as it is meant to be. How could anything

be otherwise than it is? All is rolling out just fine.

All is well


Jorr

With this understanding then it is the experience of coming together as a race to stand against the manipulation of other species towards us. And I do not like these facts...so I choose to experience trying to change the situation i find....and by leading others to think that all is well with the world....is something I personally do not stand with...So glad u agree


peace

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by king anthony (here)
It will be over when the human species can speak as one voice - it will be over when the great battle to come concludes - it will be over when there is no doubt in the "hearts" and minds of all.

If I really, truly believed this, I would go out into the mountains somewhere with my family, we'd live there in isolation until the sh!t fight came to our land, and then we'd all take the right pills, lie down in each other's arms, look into one another's loving eyes- and die. I have absolutely zero, sub zero, evidence that such a thing is possible for the entire human race, because they demonstrate it continually, constantly, and historically. If you're going to talk 'truth' then there it is- if the future of the human species is reliant on 'the hearts and minds of all' achieving some sort of concordance, then there is no future. Simple. Evidence based. Unless you're talking some kind of violent selection process, such as that spoken of in the bible, in which case I wouldn't want to be around afterwards with anyone like that god- or its followers- in charge, which has at times happened historically and that was just as ugly as everything so I'll pass on that as well.

Ugly 'truths'? Only for some.

Are "they" running scared!? No, they have not even reached the climax of the potential of "their" deeds; how do "we" know this, because no one has even begun to do anything substantial - and the few who have/are now suffer or are no longer.

So now I'm curious- what are these substantial actions that no one has undertaken? What is the solution that you are proposing, the actions that you assert will meet the criteria of 'substantial'?