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[DeDukshyn]

Posted by king anthony (here)

Here is my challenge to PA - just one person say I am not welcomed, for me to leave, I do not belong or something as such - and I will leave never to return - no hard feelings or anything. And do not b.s. me by saying, "but you are welcomed here". Just one person, or more, and I will respect this person(s) greatly, for they have what it takes to speak out and do something, unlike many of the fish here - and no one is to say a word to this person(s) about their words, lest it falls on them ten fold (this does not come from me).

So no one could step up and take the challenge - perhaps reading comprehension skills ar... oh, potential versus ability.

Okay, then I be the one to say, "I am not welcomed here", "I DO NOT BELONG" and such - for at this time I am a PA member. All the best to you all.

Do you understand now... what the challenge was/is and what just happened - I am betting not and the following posts should support this. Bye bye all.

"what the challenge was/is and what just happened - I am betting not and the following posts should support this"

The challenge ... to tell King Anthony he is not welcome. Yet, it is not our forum to make such blatantly disrespectful cries -- even if they are asked for -- congratulations Avalon -- you DID pass the test This means that you are not so arrogant to be a guest at someone's house to ask another guest that is not yours to leave. Well done!

[DeDukshyn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5A...eature=related

THRIVE: What on earth will it take ... ?

[Delight]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once. No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...) - Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it. Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist).

I'd like to hear what you have to say. Maybe you could start a thread? It seems to me that you do understand something useful and that YES, is not from religion or a new age. Thanks, Maggie

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once. No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...) - Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it. Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist).

I'd like to hear what you have to say. Maybe you could start a thread? It seems to me that you do understand something useful and that YES, is not from religion or a new age. Thanks, Maggie

This thread makes me really want to do just that, the issue I have is that to get everyone up to speed to a point where the understanding can begin is likely beyond my ability, and without being at that point of understanding the plethora of things required, then it becomes just another act of faith. I have no intentions of starting a religion ;-) But I do feel a bit guilty for not presenting it in more completeness here -- it was my intention when I joined -- I'm still trying to figure out how to best do that ... for example ... how many people here understand chaos theory? It is an integral part of this understanding, yet it takes a book just to get up to speed to its implications ... I'm being pessimistic and annoying myself now ... Thanks for the support Delight ... you've spurred futher contemplation ... which is good

[Delight]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once. No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...) - Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it. Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist).

I'd like to hear what you have to say. Maybe you could start a thread? It seems to me that you do understand something useful and that YES, is not from religion or a new age. Thanks, Maggie

This thread makes me really want to do just that, the issue I have is that to get everyone up to speed to a point where the understanding can begin is likely beyond my ability, and without being at that point of understanding the plethora of things required, then it becomes just another act of faith. I have no intentions of starting a religion ;-) But I do feel a bit guilty for not presenting it in more completeness here -- it was my intention when I joined -- I'm still trying to figure out how to best do that ... for example ... how many people here understand chaos theory? It is an integral part of this understanding, yet it takes a book just to get up to speed to its implications ... I'm being pessimistic and annoying myself now ... Thanks for the support Delight ... you've spurred futher contemplation ... which is good

Yes, I am very sure that if you make a couple of suggestions on where to start, maybe those like me who are interested may go there. Then we can appreciate what you have to say more readily. I am not sure what I really know about chaos theory except that I think it has to do with: what I may perceive as chaos is naturally creating condtions towards order. But I am going to investigate.

[OnyxKnight]

I'm not even gonna reply to that crap.

I'm talking about things in general, and all I read is "I", "I", "I" .... You missed the entire point of my post, and made it all about you. I'm not surprised. That's how this mentality works nowadays.

[DeDukshyn]

All I was doing was pointing out how in the world around me - is not hopelessly lost - and backed it up with a few examples. Things are getting better in many ways. Look at some stats, crime is at a worldwide all time low, death via war is at an all time low. But guess what? The media brainwashes people to believe the opposite and react in fear.

"Their actions are driven by our fear" --- do you deny this?

Well this thread is destroyed, but the original intention was just some game of Anthony's anyway and not really about titled topic as indicated by Anthony himself. Another thing that is clear is this not a thread to discuss solutions or anything but tragedy. I tried, others tried, but only response like "why aren't you focusing on the tragedy!?" by the addicted to their emotions.

I tried to present how making small non-fear driven lifestyle choices can help starve them of their funds and free us of their control of us by our fears, real solutions and I was attacked for it. What did you present? What is this threads purpose???
You responded to one of my posts explaining to me that the world is almost done for because of X and Y. I gave examples as to how your view of X and Y are not complete and do not apply in my part of the world (I bet you weren't expecting me to know about that ****).
I posted a video that lays out the actions of "Them ... ", names them, indicates how they work and how to stop supporting them .. ignored. What is the purpose of this thread then??? can anyone tell me?? Oh wait, another NLP testing ground for a select few to test their skills of
"herding" ... well done.

I can see why your final response was the way it was ... I'm not playing the "game" and I'm pissing everyone off ... lol

Sure there's a few people who are like deer in some headlights, but why spend so much effort on focusing on them and letting them run your emotions. Can't you control them? (social conditioning is predicted action based on emotion). Do you think there's not these people on both sides of your imaginary fence? Continue your bashing of others and let's all just wait and see how much that actually helps solve your perceived issues. I've learned that judging and damning others, and complaining hopelessly is what is executed by those who are conditioned (and our reactions to fear are predicted and calculated and used). .. maybe you are right - we are doomed.

Bwahahahah!!!

Lighten up ....

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

This is part of the issue with this whole thread and many like it here, sorry to see you get caught up in too. Without getting too far off topic, I just want to say that I never told anyone about this new paradigm, how it works, and how it gets implemented. No one ever even asked -- not once.

Did you ask, what I meant when I said that you will be orchestrating your paradigm, on their turf? No you didn't. Why show the courtesy then?

This goes deeper than physical and mental/psychological control, but the thread is not about that for me to debate it - even less with you.

If you didn't understand what I meant by what I said, means that you don't understand the scope to which they control things. You can't just kill fear, kill ego, cook up a hypothetical list of solutions, and somehow make them be without resistance, backlash, side effects, and heavy sabotage in any shape and form. This is what most are missing on. That just because the solution sounds perfect, that it will just meet a few bumps on the road to realization, and that that would be it.

And it seems to me that you are somehow portraying that kind of mental construct.

If you have possible solutions you think would make things work in our general favor (no exceptions, otherwise we end up with a quasi-democratic state again), then be open about it and present them. Of course, not here, where anybody can read them, but offline, or through some "less detectable" means. I'm sure you can think of something (you did found the perfect paradigm for us, right? A perfect way to communicate it to the world other than publicly available media outlets should be a piece of cake for you).

Once we have that under a good analysis and calculation (we being everybody privy to that info/idea), we can see if and what parts are actually workable models that indeed may happen realistically, if one was to push this seriously enough to try and give it all to get it born to fruition.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
No one here in Avalon that I have witnessed yet understands it fully (except maybe a few ...)

Understand what fully? Your type of thinking? Your type of treating problematics? Your way of viewing the world?

Is this paraphrasing that you only see a few like-minded individuals here?


You and I don't have to be like minded to hold a common ground on possible solutions and the means to get them done. So I'm hoping you don't confuse people who understand your concepts with people who are like-minded with you. There's a notable difference.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
- Yet you seem to think you know it inside out and are an expert on it.

I'm not gonna pretend I don't have better deciphering skills and better red flag sense than the majority of the Avalon community, because I do. My track record of warnings is a good enough witness to that.

That was my whole point in the second post. It had nothing to do with your new paradigm idea.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Just as Anthony did, yet you two know nothing of it, nor have heard of it in its completeness, as I certainly was not "taught" it by some religion or new age group ... lol! I don't play nice with NLP games (trying to anchor a premise that does not even exist). It appears at best, "being right" rather than, "let's explore solutions" is the name of the game in this entire thread from its conception. Again, sorry you got caught up (or by design? )

So what I was talking about you are boiling it down to a game?

So what am I angry about? Bad meenie little kids wont share them toys with me? Bhaaaaaaaa aa aa aa



Its not about me being right, it was about pointing out some obvious flaws in people's understanding and behavior when treating alternative topics in general, and what are the consequences now, and what would be the future consequences.

I think you are getting too caught up in that comment I made about your paradigm thing. I was clearly referring to the whole community, except for the obvious parts when I didn't (they were few).

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
So, just due to these little games being played here, there's almost no point in continuing unless I point them out post by post so people can see things more clearly ...


So this is still valid ...

As valid, solid and durable, as money.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Now we can get back to topic ....


I am very aware of codex alimentaruis as I work in an industry of natural health products. It is part of the blueprint of corporate earth - all consumables will be either food or drug - nothing in-between. Vitamin C will have to mfg'd by big Pharma, and you'll need a prescription. Getting caught with ginger might land you in jail next to the heroin dealer. Food is only to be produced by big Agra - and only GMO seeds fertilized with big Chemical fertilizers will germinate, etc, etc. I know the plan well. Been watching it for about 8 years.

What you just listed is the first phase resume of steps in store for us. CA has 7 phases in total. Do your homework better next time. At that point, there would be no distinction between Big Agra, Big Pharma, Big Biotech etc. all of them.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Guess what? The country I live in rejected codex alimentarius flatly years ago and as a counter measure has about 7 years already invested in the NHPD - the Natural Health Products Directorate which works together with the CHFA watchgroup. Organic and non-GMO farming is thriving (despite its difficulties) well.

Good for you. Again, I was talking in global frames. Not you, or your country specifically. I'm not sure how many times I need to point this out.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Shove that up your fear porn Sorry if your country sucks - maybe you should move .. oh wait, don't you live in Canada? (Just being a smart-ass )

First of all - using idiotic terminology concocted by no other than David Wilcock himself just shows if not the level of intelligence you have, then the level of maturity you have. Considering your age, it should come to a surprise. But I'm not surprised actually - especially when I think of my mentality comment. Now it makes perfect sense.

Second - "fear porn", was not what I was doing, nor King Anthony, in this thread. I even bothered to check the definition for it made by DW. Warning people not to get comfty just yet and celebrate, is hardly inducing deliberate dose of fear meant to mess with their heads. If things are not over, why say its over? Why even call it fear mongering? I think too many of you are abusing that term, and by now it has been abused to death. Find another tactic, or at least, be creative like Mr. Wilcock himself, and go ahead, invent a term with a similar/identical/unique meaning. I'm sure you can manage.

Third - Your comments on my country and Codex Alimentarius are downright imbecile. You didn't bother asking me where I am from, nor did you bother checking yourself where I am from (for ****'s sake, there's even a banner next to my nickname!) but just automatically assumed I am from a country that is heavily controlled and subjugated by the big corps, especially CA and the GM factories. No, I'm not from Canada, and yes, I do plan to move, and that has nothing to do with the circumstances you mentioned, which, for your information, gave the boot to both the WTO and Codex Alimentarius, and several GM corps. Our country cherishes naturally grown food and vegetables, farming and crop-raising. I don't see that changing in near future.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I'm not sure what is going to happen in the USA on this front - last I heard is that they were looking at the Canadian model, but since everything is so messed there in politics it's likely not high on anyone's list (likely by design).

Congrats to your country, but from what I have read this year about it, several of the countries in question, are adoptees from the USA. Also, the seat of Codex Alimentarius is in the USA as well. I don't think they would give up that easily on you.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I have access to property with fresh spring water - not an issue for me. But I will say that one year ago the decision in my current city (Calgary) to pull fluoride out of the water supply was certainly a long time coming, and a very welcome decision. They pulled the fluoride out after ~50 years

Look, good thing for you - I was talking about in general (as if it wasn't obvious, even to a school-grader). Individual success does not = global success. So tone down individual or local successes, and lets focus on regional, continental and global successes, and how to achieve them, more, shall we?

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Two points on this one .. first, I just presented proof of change with my last two comments ... so ..?

Proof of change locally. I can brag about individual success stories and local success stories, but I did not. I want focus on global things.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Second, What is this which "happens" in this world that is not a result of "mind" in your context? Nothing - everything in humanity's creation first originated as a thought, then a word, an emotional response, then an action, a plan, then a creation - there is nothing in our man made world that was not born from the mind. Therefore, all change must FIRST happen in the mind. It is law.

True, but for most it stops there. "I changed how I view the world, and now I'm waiting for that change to manifest itself without me breaking even a drop of sweat in doing it."

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You (speaking generally) need to get off your ass, break a sweat, and maybe even a little blood, to make certain things happen.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Now that said, who's minds make the decisions? Theirs, but who's mind is broken that allows them to make decisions for us even via conditioning? The masses / ours is. Who's daily decisions drive their economies, their source of power, fear, etc? Ours is. It is us who buys their fear, their drugs, their GMOs, and their chemicals and energy. Therefore the power is ours, IF we fix our minds and make the corrective actions - when push comes to shove only making these decisions for ourselves will help -- trying to save "others" while we ourselves cannot survive is defeatist. Since you cannot force people to change their minds because the fear of the opposite is so strong ... see where I am going with this? It's really quite simple and logical.

Yes logical, to a point. Yes, mass raising of conscience on specific issues. So, you think they would give up just because you are less complacent? That's going to crack the pawn lines. I told you before, I will tell you again, the real control is not organs of the system, but the 'overmind' of it. The real string pullers do not care for the monetary system, damaged economy, social anxiety and unrest, and resistance. They have other cards to play. Yes, good for you to know what one of those cards is. How about the rest of them? And how efficient is that when the card is already on the table, and not in the hand? In other words, what good does it do when you know what to act in opposite manner to a system in place, when you don't know the plans who are not out on the open, on which we mostly can just speculate?

The whole point in this "game" is to outwit the opponent by damaging their plans via eradicating their options in their hand. You think you are taking care of the Big Picture, but you are not.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
IF you can somehow convince people to not buy pharma drugs for everyday ailments that they are shoved down our throats for, then you have solved one person's, one problem. If you can convince a mind to not choose from fear of illness (which drives Big Pharma -- obviously - we all know this), then you have solved this issue and a thousand more for their entire life, as most other issues are also caused from choosing out of fear. This is how the masses are controlled, no? Yes.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Those people and 'mind' are one and the same. You will need to be clearer as tow hat you mean here. True, by raising awareness of these issues in a good enough approach, it should spark results. But then again, you would have to fight things proposed by you as to whats going on, and the things proposed by the system, as to whats going on. As you can see, things are not going very well for us considering the track record. By now there should have been more aware people, and the rate of awareness is still low, in exponential terms. This means there is a powerful enough defense presented by 'them', for the masses to digest as true. We need to be more convincing then. This is the key, not just "forward that mail about the dangers of vaccination" and be done with it. This is what most people do. Don't make me show you my spambox.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Perception is key to creating actions that will really work. Effort has to be coordinated with the fullest perspective, and I never once indicated that we should do nothing, ("what really? you didn't? I coulda swore .. "<more NLP>)

Neither did I. But we are talking about a handful of examples. Can you truly say the community is ready and prepared in global terms? No you can't. It would be ridiculous, considering everything.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Did I ever say that's how it works?! LOL! EVER!!?? What, you think I am some sort of light worker??! bwahahah!! that is funny ... (I am a servant of humanity and my style of work is not limited). Because your comments at this point have gotten so far off of anything to do with me, I will consider that this and entire rest of your two post rant had nothing to do with my response .. as it clearly does not.

Yes, since it clearly does not, why did you bother to comment that section and make it all about yourself, yet again?

I was talking in general - my experiences with communicating with people of this alternative community and what I usually encounter as a response to what I'm saying. This community has become too immobile and pacified. Some wait for a new age version of Christ to save them, others their spirit guides, some prefer them to be some aliens/cosmic brotherhood etc. Or their prayers, meditations and spiritual focus to present some kind of miracle. Take a look yourself, and see what's going on. It shouldn't be that hard, just a few Google clicks. Its very worrying.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
My tirade finally over, I do not make light of your frustrations, or seek to diminish peoples efforts to do more -- in fact the opposite. I just want them to know they have more tools than they think ... that is all I ever indicated if you go back and read through all my posts here; I also think that there are many here who also were the target of the anti-spiritual attacks, were merely trying to do the same, shame so much attacks on each other and at the same time we hope to have a chance against "Them" -- not in this mindset!

Exactly my point. When somebody doesn't understand what you are saying, we have a problem of miscommunication. That problem brings the company of other problems too, some even worse, which make unitary standing impossible among fellow people. I'm pointing this out, because you also failed to see the point I was making and seemed to be miscommunicating or misinterpreting my words.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
All I was doing was pointing out how in the world around me - is not hopelessly lost - and backed it up with a few examples. Things are getting better in many ways. Look at some stats, crime is at a worldwide all time low, death via war is at an all time low. But guess what? The media brainwashes people to believe the opposite and react in fear.

I don't need the media - I have journalist friends. I know the reality. There is no significantly lower crime rate today than before. Few days ago, 5 people were shot to kickstart a politically induced, religious conflict in our country. 4 of them were individuals even younger than myself - still kids in some way. That's just the latest crap. Need I report you a history of incidents this year alone? Or maybe a decade would suffice?

And, that's just my country alone. Don't get me started on massacres and bloodbaths in USA and especially Europe.

I'm wondering under what rock you have been hiding not to take a hard look at this ...

Let me guess, you happened to found a statistical study on the net?


I don't need statistics, I have a handful of journalists who are good enough, some of them who travel aboard often enough, my own two set of eyes, and a brain. That would be it. And that's all I need. Screw statistics. If they don't match reality, they're not worth the time.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I tried, others tried, but only response like "why aren't you focusing on the tragedy!?" by the addicted to their emotions.

Maybe we can make it stop with a lullaby? Care to propose one?

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I tried to present how making small non-fear driven lifestyle choices can help starve them of their funds and free us of their control of us by our fears, real solutions and I was attacked for it. What did you present? What is this threads purpose???

I reminded a very convinced crowd (and will do it in other places) that the tyranny is not over yet and not to let their guard down and celebrate until we know for sure that is the case here.

I believe that was this thread's purpose too. At least in my opinion. I think Anthony wanted to remind people of the different ways we are being controlled and that this has not diminished any time soon, and any signals pointing to that are an illusion.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
You responded to one of my posts explaining to me that the world is almost done for because of X and Y. I gave examples as to how your view of X and Y are not complete and do not apply in my part of the world (I bet you weren't expecting me to know about that ****).

I never said that. I said if this type of mentality prevails and nothing changed in the times ahead, that we would definitely fail in what we originally set out to achieve by looking into these topics in the first place.

I never said the world is done for good. Not yet. There is still enough time.

Regarding your X & Y position, that is irrelevant. They may not apply there, but the do apply elsewhere, and will apply where they don't apply just yet. Kudos to the local success, I'm aiming slightly higher than that. Try to catch up.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I posted a video that lays out the actions of "Them ... ", names them, indicates how they work and how to stop supporting them .. ignored. What is the purpose of this thread then??? can anyone tell me?? Oh wait, another NLP testing ground for a select few to test their skills of
"herding" ... well done.

If we start to poke blame and point fingers, you wouldn't be exempt either. So don't even go that direction, its counter-productive to your argument.

As for the video, I didn't look up. I will do it soon and then comment.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I can see why your final response was the way it was ... I'm not playing the "game" and I'm pissing everyone off ... lol

Wel, I'm angry, but not because of you (you won't get that credit from me). General things about this go on my nerves.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Lighten up ....

Best advice is one already tried, before proposed.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

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Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Lighten up ....

Best advice is one already tried, before proposed.

You make a couple points not invalid, thank you for that. And do check the video ... its nothing new -- and not the entire picture by any means, but it is something the masses may be able to understand and respond to.

I didn't really read everything you had to say, and may not go back to do it either, as I tire of this direction as everything has been reduced. In the end we are all on the same side here, and everyone is clearly in different places with different perspectives; you and I not furthest away than some.

I don't think I'll participate further but anyone getting this far - try to watch the video. It starts off slow and a bit cheesy, but gets going.

Have a good day!

[DeDukshyn]

Awards go to both dedukshyn and onyxknight for the most work into formatting .. notable mention to onyxknight (I cheaped out on the last one .. didn't even trim .. )

[Paul]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
(I cheaped out on the last one .. didn't even trim .. )

The Mods just came to the rescue and did the quote trimming.

All is well.

[thunder24]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

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Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Lighten up ....

Best advice is one already tried, before proposed.

You make a couple points not invalid, thank you for that. And do check the video ... its nothing new -- and not the entire picture by any means, but it is something the masses may be able to understand and respond to.

I didn't really read everything you had to say, and may not go back to do it either, as I tire of this direction as everything has been reduced. In the end we are all on the same side here, and everyone is clearly in different places with different perspectives; you and I not furthest away than some.

I don't think I'll participate further but anyone getting this far - try to watch the video. It starts off slow and a bit cheesy, but gets going.

Have a good day!

does that mean this time, when u say ull leave this thread, that u will actually do it?

[thunder24]

Since this was/is King Anthony's thread....

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qvhPdNXNJs