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    I’ve tried and tried to be a rational voice.

    Several times I’ve been slammed here in a pseudo poetic, wrapped in light and love, but still out right mean ways; and I’ve just accept it.

    Really, I’ve had some mean crap said to me, while just voicing opinion, or criticism of David Wilcock, Alex Collier etc. or a thread topic and the responses I’ve received have been backed with anger, ill-intent and in a spirit of hostility, with a kind of “you don’t belong here,” vibe backing the statements.

    I’ve been called part of the 1% because of my job, and compared to the horrible people that abuse power.

    I’ve been banned for a short period because I BELIEVE, you are being scammed by those listed above and those like them, either financially or in a mental capacity (which I think is WAY worse) and I will continue to. I'm not just saying these two.

    I think some of these bold claims, require bold evidence and when I said so, and when I was critical of someone I think is doing no good, I was banned for three days and branded childish.

    And still the thought is, if you don’t think like the rest of us; hit the bricks. The team here didn’t write that, it’s my belief that the community doesn’t like a person like me.

    The best way I can put this is: These guys, like Collier, Wilcock, etc. are just like the PTB, and are using FEAR to trick you into their particular brand of research – they want your butts in seats at conferences and your money to support their ‘research.’ They lie to you and don’t trust each other, openly admitting they record each other in secret. They aren’t trying to help anyone but themselves. They are tricking you and they can’t be trusted. So don’t.

    “Be afraid,” Wilcock says, then writes, “hey, don’t worry about it, the aliens I can’t prove exist are going to make it all o.k., sorry I wasted all your time and energy on this thing I used to SCARE YOU. Wait, no I’m not, I’ll do this again soon!”

    Really try to make that comparison between the methods these guys use and the PTB.

    Call me a 1%, Call me a person spreading disinfo and watch as, people that haven’t read this entire post, go on to say that is my goal.

    I care about this community. But the fact is, it seems, that a majority of folks would rather believe in sci-fi fantasy then what is outside there window. Not all, but a majority.

    And they want nothing to do with someone who is trying to help them see that.

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    Default Re: You don't belong here

    The thing is sweets, humans try to understand the unknown in anyway that makes sense to them. If believing someone else's words makes them feel safe (even if its fear based) thats their safety net and right.

    You can't help everyone. I learned this at a young age. Unfortunately it blocked most my "gifts" cause it was too painful to sit by and watch and feel and know but not do anything.

    If other people want to follow their work and words thats their right of free will. Just like its your right of free will to think otherwise.

    Im sorry you feel like an outcast but youre not. Others just may not as vocal. Not to mention the nonmembers.

    Choose your battles sweets you can't save/change everyone.

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    Default Re: You don't belong here

    Understand, my friend that regardless how ever meny times to try and help someone, it is up to them to accept that help for what it is. if they are not ready to receive it or dont believe it is still thier choice. The messenger is not at all well received until the flood waters are at the door

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    Default Re: You don't belong here

    Everything and everyone, at their own pace.

    Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts. I'm sure lots of people feel the same way you do.

    with love

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    We shall not cease from exploration
    And the end of all our exploring
    Will be to arrive where we first started
    And know the place for the first time

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    Default Re: You don't belong here

    Dear peace,

    You do belong here. In fact, sane and coherent persons like you are needed anywhere these days.

    Do you know, when in politics, they create two or more parties, to give people the illusion of choice and democracy, but in reality, all parties are just different faces of the same monster?

    The same thing happens with the media.

    Both alternative media and mainstream media brainwash people.

    The first, brainwashes people to think everything is paranormal, every light is a UFO, everything is love and light, everything is a conspiracy, and to go against anyone that contradicts such ideals.

    The second brainwashes people to think there is no paranormal, there a are no UFOs, there are no conspiracies, and to go against anyone that contradicts such ideals as well.

    This divide and conquer strategy is very very old, but it´s also very effective. The government use it all the time, in several fields.

    So, both alternative media and mainstream media, can be considered two faces of the same coin.

    We´re living a war, a different kind of war, a war for control, an information war; and most of us are right in the middle of an information crossfire.

    As I´ve told on another thread, like in any kind of war, get out of the crossfire, move to higher ground, get to cover. Only when you do that, you´re in condition to analyze things by a clear, balanced and unbiased point of view.

    Like in everything else in life, balance is the key. Don´t be too suspicious, but don´t be too naive either (but I guess you already know that).

    So, my advice here, is to let it be. You´re in the right path. Don´t be bothered when people get impolite with you. We both know that radical persons get pretty mad when cornered, specially when they get in contact with an idea that contradicts their beliefs but actually makes much more sense.

    Jut keep being yourself, mate.

    Cheers,

    Raf.
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    Default Re: You don't belong here

    I like you. If you are using your ORIGIN-al thought process I still like even if you disagree with me. If you are reacting to your emotional state instead of ORIGIN-al thought process you would be just another face in the crowd. Using your ORIGIN-al thought process though will put you in the 1 percent of ....something....though. No risk of winning popularity contests anyway, lol.

    You aren't obligated to make others feel safe.

    When they obligate you to make them feel safe, they are just asking you to manage them and that is how the world was one by the 1 percent you are referring to. Says more about them than it does you.

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    These are just words on a screen.

    How can you be sure of the emotion / intention behind each and every one?

    To two people, the same word can mean different things.


    Even though some will be hostile, have compassion for them as they have not yet learned the truth.
    This post will, at once, serve to both mystify and demystify MY condition, depending on the observer!

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    Default Re: You don't belong here

    I here what you are saying peace...

    However there's no need to...

    We've all been there at some stage of our journey here at Avalon, some more than others...

    Me 'Old Mate' Frank has got some good advice for us all (Don't Forget to Listen to the Lyrics)


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avU2a...feature=relmfu

    PS - My advice is to continue communicating the 'Truth As You Know It' and if no-one listens or vehemently disagrees, its not your problem...

    In this world, if you can't speak your own 'Truth', the only person your harming is yourself...

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    You can only inform people of what you feel/think and leave them to their own choices. We are all wired differently so it may take time for some to acknowledge what’s before them. Some people are just too bent on this stuff, they whole heartily want to believe it…and to be honest…I don’t blame them either. As for me, I don’t want to be in that situation where I’m left looking foolish. I can handle looking foolish by sharing insight and alternative perceptions to these claims because it’s all out of good intentions…but I dare not make attempts of such claims without anything of substance to compliment my claims.

    At least we know the world is stressed, so some might want to leave it or have something better. Tbh, I view this whole thing as if I’m watching a child make a mess than cries about it instead of cleaning it up.

    We want a better reality but I think many of us don’t grasp the fact that we are the only ones making this reality. The future can only form from what we do today. What you see is what you get…nothing more nothing less. One problem is our lack of commitment in supporting our fellow brothers and sisters. When we support, we will have no issues with trust, economies, resources, etc….

    We created this monster and we feed it every single day. How is it that some of us expect to move on to bigger and better without cleaning up the mess we all created. I don’t know any parents that will reward their kids after they created waste and a harmful environment… and I’m sure the universe isn’t going to allow it either…especially if we know how energy is exchange and circulated.

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    In my personal experience, I never gave money to David Wilcock or Alex Collier, I never felt fear because of anything I heard or read from them and I appreciated quite a lot of their insights and information. I don't agree with everything they say and it's hard to validate it all anyways. I'm comfortable with leaving claims and statements in limbo, believing and disbelieving are not the only two choices.

    I find this whole infighting is a side-issue, a soap opera in the alternative field. It's a given, that all the people here, who care for humanity, the earth and all the rest of it, do not agree on everything. Who can always be right on everything? I'd rather see us supporting each other where we agree and letting the other things settle by itself, like mud settling in the water if left undisturbed. Sure, it's possible to spend lifetimes on discussing all the little facets of who does what and why and how and then comparing all the different people... I just find it not worth it to spend my energy on that. I rather help the awakening in my way, reminding people of how powerful they are, that they can make a difference in this world, what's at stake and that discernment comes from within, through everyone's innate connection to the divine, to the all-that-is. If I can effectively use a piece of someone else's work to help someone opening his mind, I won't hesitate to do it, but I always give a disclaimer saying "think for yourself".

    By my reckoning, David Wilcock woke up more people than he "seduced into a trance of pseudo-feel-good do-nothing" and provided lots of useful information - even for free. And eventually he is not responsible for people going down any road anyways, it's their own choice. I won't trample around on him for being fallible and making mistakes, we all do.

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    we do have many things in common , and others that we do not.Personally i do give a bit of trust to everyone but at the same time trust no one.I know who i am and where im going(within brackets).There is always some thing to take home but that doesnt mean i have to take it all.The words of one are never the words for all............Be patient.We all belong,even maybe one with miss info,because maybe even one day he will probably have to change sides with what he learns here!

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    Nice one peace. A lot of contributors have already left us. They got free tickets for a trip to another planet, Others went and got ascended last October. Stay amongst us for bit of balance.

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    Hi there Peace,

    Different opinions are healthy because they shake fixed thinking, and until something is irrefutably proven, then we must stay open.

    You ask interesting questions, and sometimes you might be the one person who asks the question that nobody has thought about, and that is worth its weight in gold. So never stop questioning what you read here. You are doing fine.

    I just invite you to answer back. And I have, as matter of fact. On a thread that I started recently - Sean Stone infiltrates the illuminati - you asked some questions and I wanted you to explain yourself further. I welcome your thoughts. You made the comment that:´we all´ know that beliefs in God or Satan are just predicated on superstitious beliefs. From that you questioned: should we be taking seriously groups of people who engage in satanic rituals? Obviously, I am holding some belief from my own reading that people are indeed being harmed and disempowered as a result of these activities.

    I will say it again, I think your statement and question deserve to be better understood and please you are welcome to challenge my thinking further because one of the fundamental reasons that I am on this forum is to learn more and deepen my understanding.

    Hope that you feel more empowered Peace.

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    Default Re: You don't belong here

    Yes there will be those that will not see what you are saying even if you point straight at it.
    Be at peace with your self you cant make anyone that not wish to see ... see what is clear to others.
    And yes some do attack in rude and imature ways, the one that is desturbing their idea of how and what is.
    Keep you calm and see that they just are not ready to hear what you are saying.
    And forgive them for not being able to handle it better than that.

    Peace be with you !

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    I could tear the food out of the mouth of a starving child. This was said
    by Psychiatrist Elisabeth Kubler- Ross in one of her later speech. She was
    a woman, who had looked deep into the mirror and seen the through
    the mask of evil.
    A lot of people refuse to look into their mirrors, instead
    they idenfy with everything good and project their shadows on others,
    their neighbors, other nationalities and so on. They also have a great
    need to have someone to look up to. They are gonna find this upsurge
    of energy we are experiencing impossible to handle. We are gonna see
    a pandemic mental breakdown. It has already started and is just gonna
    increase every day until this bumpy ride flattens out.

    Of course neurotic people need heroes to cling to, and if you threaten
    their image of their hero, you will be attacked. Peace, its not about you.
    Support those who are willing to uncover their selfimposed lies they have
    tried to live. Leave the others alone.
    I see people on this forum who a
    couple of months ago preached that everything is an illusion and today
    demands that everyone take action. I suppose everyone have the right
    to hit the ditch on both side of the road before they can balance on
    the road.





    All is well


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    Wonderful words, and very true xxx

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    Hi Peace,

    I had to read some posts of you to get to understand what you mean with this post. So I did.

    If you feel you are not wanted here because you get a lot of heat from people who have other opinions and believes... Think again. There are thousands of people here on this forum and all have a different perspective of the truth.

    Maybe the most important thing is: If you'd like to get less heat from other people here, just change the tone of voice you give us. You're very outspoken on your opinions and what you say is filled with emotions, so it's only natural that there will be people who get triggered and respond. 'Law of attraction'
    Respect the believes and opinions of other people, remember that we are all seeking and apply that in the way you post here on the forum.
    Last edited by Eram; 2nd April 2012 at 19:45.

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    Those words YOU DONT BELONG HERE have echoed in my brain for a very long time, that's why I was pulled to this threat, I just needed to see for myself who was sending me the same message I have been hearing in my head.

    PEACE, trust me, you do belong HERE. If you dont belong anywhere else, then consider yourself lucky as this place is the nieche you have been waiting for. This forum attracts all kinds of universal freaks, including myself, and the whole beauty about this is that we are all comfortable being here because we can finally be ourselves as freaks.

    It's all cool. The reason we were born was not to save everyone else out there, that is the illusion we have been fed all this milenia. The real and true reason why we were born at this time is for us to finally be ourselves no matter how badly we act as freaks. If you can become comfortable in your own skin, then you sure have definitely passed the most difficult lessons in this 3D freakest feaky planet/world we call earth.

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    Quote Posted by christian (here)
    In my personal experience, I never gave money to David Wilcock or Alex Collier, I never felt fear because of anything I heard or read from them and I appreciated quite a lot of their insights and information. I don't agree with everything they say and it's hard to validate it all anyways. I'm comfortable with leaving claims and statements in limbo, believing and disbelieving are not the only two choices.

    I find this whole infighting is a side-issue, a soap opera in the alternative field. It's a given, that all the people here, who care for humanity, the earth and all the rest of it, do not agree on everything. Who can always be right on everything? I'd rather see us supporting each other where we agree and dletting the other things settle by itself, like mud settling in the water if left undisturbed. Sure, it's possible to spend lifetimes on discussing all the little facets of who does what and why and how and then comparing all the different people... I just find it not worth it to spend my energy on that. I rather help the awakening in my way, reminding people of how powerful they are, that they can make a difference in this world, what's at stake and that discernment comes from within, through everyone's innate connection to the divine, to the all-that-is. If I can effectively use a piece of someone else's work to help someone opening his mind, I won't hesitate to do it, but I always give a disclaimer saying "think for yourself".

    By my reckoning, David Wilcock woke up more people than he "seduced into a trance of pseudo-feel-good do-nothing" and provided lots of useful information - even for free. And eventually he is not responsible for people going down any road anyways, it's their own choice. I won't trample around on him for being fallible and making mistakes, we all do.
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    Quote "I think some of these bold claims, require bold evidence "
    How many of Wilcock's books have you read? How much of his presented evidence have you scoured through and found to be able to dismiss? If you have done this, why can you dismiss his evidence? Is it due to refuting science? Or maybe it is because it relates to more advanced concepts than you give consideration to or are educated in? -- this also needs to be considered.

    If you have this data assembled so as to back up any of your "There is NO evidence" claims, I'd love to see it, perhaps I can explain some things in a ways that would make more sense if you were able to have more of a one on one with?

    Are you a truth seeker or a complainer / judger? Talk is cheap, back it up with something real -- at least David Wilckock has done a **** ton of research and put it into writing in the form of books. You don't have to agree with him but if you want to be taken seriously as an opponent of his, read his books for a start, then begin by refuting his specific pieces of evidence, otherwise its just a guy complaining about something he doesn't know about -- that's not useful for anyone.

    Good luck!! If you decide to adventure on this, please make a thread of your findings here on Avalon. If you do this I'll give you my full attention.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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