(Classified) NORAD satellite Video of Missile Hitting the Pentagon..!

[jackovesk]

Posted by seeingterra (here)
Thanks Paul.

Jaybee: Perhaps be more clear next time to avoid confusion, best to reference the source material

In all Honesty seeingterra, its not a matter whether I am wrong or jaybee is right &/or Gordon Duff got it wrong on this occassion..?

The fact remains, that jaybee has been waiting in the wings to discredit anything I have to say...

I posted this in good faith, very early in the morning 'Australian' time...

What I was reading from Gordon Duff (VT Editor) was sound enough for consideration...

The (FACT) remains we all know that a plane 'DID NOT' hit the Pentagon...

1 out of 10 for 'Trolling Points' jaybee, I will stack up my contributions to the Avalonian 'Forum' against yours any second of the day, day of week, week of the year, year in year out, ect, ect, ect..!

[Alie]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)
Thanks Paul.

Jaybee: Perhaps be more clear next time to avoid confusion, best to reference the source material

In all Honesty seeingterra, its not a matter whether I am wrong or jaybee is right &/or Gordon Duff got it wrong on this occassion..?

The fact remains, that jaybee has been waiting in the wings to discredit anything I have to say...

I posted this in good faith, very early in the morning 'Australian' time...

What I was reading from Gordon Duff (VT Editor) was sound enough for consideration...

The (FACT) remains we all know that a plane 'DID NOT' hit the Pentagon...

1 out of 10 for 'Trolling Points' jaybee, I will stack up my contributions to the Avalonian 'Forum' against yours any second of the day, day of week, week of the year, year in year out, ect, ect, ect..!

When I was "invited" into PA, Bill Ryan's welcome message was about this forum being like a party. And like any real party, we gather around those who are "interesting" and ignore those who aren't. I do have to say that you, jackovesk, have been very interesting. thanks.

[jaybee]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

In all Honesty seeingterra, its not a matter whether I am wrong or jaybee is right &/or Gordon Duff got it wrong on this occassion..?

regarding the video in your opening post and Duff's declaration...

he did get it wrong....the question is...why did he promote the video as evidence when it wasn't. With his military background you would have thought if he were accusing his own government of High Treason and Mass Murder he would be a bit more careful with his sources and evidence.

Unless, of course, he is just trying to mess with our heads. Which I think he is.

The fact remains, that jaybee has been waiting in the wings to discredit anything I have to say...

how very dramatic....how many threads do you start? How many do I comment on?

1 out of 10 for 'Trolling Points' jaybee, I will stack up my contributions to the Avalonian 'Forum' against yours any second of the day, day of week, week of the year, year in year out, ect, ect, ect..!

since when did pointing out a hoax video become trolling? You should be thanking me not attacking me

[Alie]

Please see the entire presentation from Veteren's Today, which will broaden the view of what Jackovest is presenting. Also, Jackovest, it mentions about Putin recognizing the Bush 9/11 involvement, and I noticed you're presenting us with some Putin info as well. Synchronicity I guess.

[jackovesk]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by jackovesk (here)

In all Honesty seeingterra, its not a matter whether I am wrong or jaybee is right &/or Gordon Duff got it wrong on this occassion..?

regarding the video in your opening post and Duff's declaration...

he did get it wrong....the question is...why did he promote the video as evidence when it wasn't. With his military background you would have thought if he were accusing his own government of High Treason and Mass Murder he would be a bit more careful with his sources and evidence.

Unless, of course, he is just trying to mess with our heads. Which I think he is.

The fact remains, that jaybee has been waiting in the wings to discredit anything I have to say...

how very dramatic....how many threads do you start? How many do I comment on?

1 out of 10 for 'Trolling Points' jaybee, I will stack up my contributions to the Avalonian 'Forum' against yours any second of the day, day of week, week of the year, year in year out, ect, ect, ect..!

since when did pointing out a hoax video become trolling? You should be thanking me not attacking me

Your slight of toungue always comes back to you does'nt it jaybee...

Do you honestly know for a (FACT) that Gordon Duff's statement was...False...

After reading your intial theory, I thought to myself where did you of all people derive that opinion from...???

Then it dawned on me, YOU read the adverse 'Comments' section of the article, didn't you...

If anyone does'nt believe me, go have a look for yourself..!

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04...t-be-silenced/

Why..? Because of reason's previously stated...

Like I said before...

The (FACT) remains we all know that a plane 'DID NOT' hit the Pentagon...

Can we at least agree on that..???

[Cidersomerset]

Cruise Missile - US Air Force JASSM ER Medley

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UfY5vQ6u55A

A video medley provided by the US Air Force on six test flights of the JASSM extended range (ER) cruise missile. Clips show
the 500nm-range air-to-ground missile hitting a simulated bunker wih 2ft-thick steel-reinforced concrete. Other hits show the
missile, which could be deployed in the second half of 2013, hitting a shallow-buried bunker and communications vans.

To me the missile flying in the beggining of the above clip looks like what flew into the Pentegon !!!

[jaybee]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Selene (here)
The video you’ve uploaded is certainly not the same one as the current post under discussion. Its fabulous high quality makes it highly suspect

True - jaybee's video is higher quality.

But both jackovesk's video in the opening post, and jaybee's video, show a "missile" (blurry white thing) hitting just to the left of the center of that side of the Pentagon, and just to the left of the whitish concrete pad (helicopter pad) that is on the lawn beneath that side of the building, about in the center of that side.

The actual impact was to the right of center and the right of the helicopter pad. .

Thanks Paul.....


I am as sure as I can be that the video clip of the 'missile hit' in the OP comes from the same one that I posted from 2007.


There are other bits of the OP video that I find interesting as well....

While the uploader doesn't specify it clearly...they show a couple of images of what is the 'exit hole' (of whatever the hell it was) but talk about it as if it is the 'entrance hole'.......

[jaybee]

jackovesk said...

Do you honestly know for a (FACT) that Gordon Duff's statement was...False...

If he is basing it on the 'missile hit' video, that I have proved to be a hoax, then yes, it must be false....

After reading your intial theory, I thought to myself where did you of all people derive that opinion from...???

Then it dawned on me, YOU read the adverse 'Comments' section of the article, didn't you...

actually no...I didn't...but I'll go and have a look in a minute.

The (FACT) remains we all know that a plane 'DID NOT' hit the Pentagon...

Can we at least agree on that..???

I don't think that a plane hit the Pentagon. Even though 9/11 is a major brain-ache I spent some time doing intensive research a while back. I do not subscribe to it being an Inside Job, though. But a Cover Up of 'things' that the US government and military did that day broadly as damage limitation and defence. But for political and public relations reasons these 'things' have been kept quiet. And a fully blown Inside Job Conspiracy put in place to help obscure the truth of what really happened.


Regarding the Pentagon.....My current opinion is.....that Flight 77 was taken by remote control over the Atlantic Ocean and shot down, as a defensive measure.
That maybe a truck load of explosives was driven into the Pentagon by Suicide Islamic terrorists (because nothing was going to get it by air).....and to cover up this embarassing turn of events and to cover up what was done to flight 77... a mock up of an Airliner crash was put in place at the Pentagon.

The truck may have been fired upon by land-based missile defence?

Hence the holes....

(speculation)


Anyway....it is a huge subject.

And mentally exhausting at the best of times.....so that's all for now....


I am perfectly aware that most people on this forum think it was an Inside Job.

And to express any other opinion will be used against me...but I can't help that.


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[jackovesk]

Posted by jaybee (here)
Regarding the Pentagon.....My current opinion is.....that Flight 77 was taken by remote control over the Atlantic Ocean and shot down, as a defensive measure.
That maybe a truck load of explosives was driven into the Pentagon by Suicide Islamic terrorists (because nothing was going to get it by air).....and to cover up this embarassing turn of events and to cover up what was done to flight 77... a mock up of an Airliner crash was put in place at the Pentagon.

The truck may have been fired upon by land-based missile defence?

Hence the holes....

That maybe a truck load of explosives was driven into the Pentagon by Suicide Islamic terrorists (because nothing was going to get it by air)

The truck may have been fired upon by land-based missile defence?

Jaybee, I'll let others pass judgement on this 'Theory' not me...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
The fact remains, that jaybee has been waiting in the wings to discredit anything I have to say...

It looks to me like you got a bit defensive here, jackovesk, in response to a reasonable discussion of the content of a video you posted.

Please don't attack fellow members on the forum. Especially when done in your colorful style, it tends to derail threads.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
To me the missile flying in the beggining of the above clip looks like what flew into the Pentagon !!!

Have you seen a reasonable resolution image of what flew into the Pentagon?

I haven't, so I have no way of telling whether any particular plane/missile/... of generally the right size and capabilities is what flew into the Pentagon or not.

[Selene]

Jaybee ~

Posted by Jaybee
If he [Duff] is basing it on the 'missile hit' video, that I have proved to be a hoax, then yes, it must be false....

You have done nothing of the sort here. Not at all.

Instead, you’ve done the old “bait and switch” disinfo tactic: set up a second straw man (i.e. the video you posted), knock it down as a “hoax” and hope that somehow the reader will mistakenly infer that the original video under discussion here is false as well. And, oh by the way, so is Gordon Duff.

That’s pure, unmitigated trolling at its finest. Textbook. Two votes out of ten here. And if you’d like to increase your score, I can quote other examples from previous posts, or the intelligent reader here can just add up their own troll score.

Regards,

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Selene (here)
Instead, you’ve done the old “bait and switch” disinfo tactic: set up a second straw man (i.e. the video you posted), knock it down as a “hoax” and hope that somehow the reader will mistakenly infer that the original video under discussion here is false as well. And, oh by the way, so is Gordon Duff.

That's odd . You thanked my post above, in which I agreed with jaybee on what seemed to me like firm technical grounds - both jaybee's video and the Duff video posted by jackovesk in the opening post of this thread show the "missile" (white blurry thing) hitting the Pentagon on the wrong side of the Helicopter pad. So I would have figured that you had read and understood and to some extent at least agreed with that point.

Then right after I chastise jackovesk for attacking jaybee ... you double up on that attack.

Both you and jackovesk may be a bit lucky today ... I have to run off on a personal errand, so can not engage in any more "moderation" of this thread or its participants right now.

[Selene]

Hi, Paul ~

Yes, I did thank you for the additional photos. But if you’ll re-read my post #17 here, you’ll see my comments re a trolling attempt by Jaybee were (I thought) quite pointed at the time. Perhaps I should have been more explicit, but I wanted to avoid appearing too confrontational, per our guidelines.

Also I neglected to point out earlier that the original video from Gordon Duff does not actually show the moment – and therefore location – of the impact. The film seems to stop with the “white streak” just outside of the building, still on its trajectory. Something in the missile does appear to “flare out” just ahead of entering its target, but this could be a property of the missile itself converting from ‘cruise’ to ‘detonate’ mode. (That is, it enters its target already as a fireball, rather than the impact itself causing a subsequent explosion. This would make the weapon’s actual impact much more destructive. The 'scorched earth' shown in the overhead photo is probably evidence for such a 'pre-fireball ignition' since the purported "aircraft" per the "official version" did not actually scrape over the ground before hitting the building, did it?) The video seems to be one frame shy of the final impact – which is not surprising, considering the long history of the letter agencies excising crucial evidence when it does not flatter them. This tape is undoubtedly a clandestine copy of something – but the damning moment in it had already been excised…

Second point: I awoke in the middle of the night last night regretting that I had not been more carefully explanatory of Jaybee’s ‘straw man’ tactics in my post #17 and thought that perhaps I should make a second post to clarify my view.

Voila. When I looked at this thread today, there was the perfect quote awaiting me, claiming to do what had not, in fact, been done. And while I have the greatest respect for Jacovesk’s opinion, I would have made my comments here at any rate.

And with great respect and thanks for your most helpful views, I will stand by mine.

Regards,

Selene

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
To me the missile flying in the beggining of the above clip looks like what flew into the Pentagon !!!
Have you seen a reasonable resolution image of what flew into the Pentagon?

I haven't, so I have no way of telling whether any particular plane/missile/... of generally the right size and capabilities is what flew into the Pentagon or not.

I know the photo is inconclusive but it does not look like 757 to me...





If it was a plane with all the cameras around the the Pentagon it should have
been easy to quash the doubters ...But TPTB probably thought if they could
get over the initial couple of months without the mainstream quirying it
they were home and dry, whatever the relatively few truth seekers may say ...

[jaybee]

Posted by Selene (here)
Jaybee ~

Posted by Jaybee
If he [Duff] is basing it on the 'missile hit' video, that I have proved to be a hoax, then yes, it must be false....

You have done nothing of the sort here. Not at all.

Instead, you’ve done the old “bait and switch” disinfo tactic: set up a second straw man (i.e. the video you posted), knock it down as a “hoax” and hope that somehow the reader will mistakenly infer that the original video under discussion here is false as well. And, oh by the way, so is Gordon Duff.

The video that I posted from 2007 is clearly the same video that is used in Duff's video. Although when they go in for the close up it gets blurred.


This is a screen shot taken from the video in the Gordon Duff article...




hear is the screen shot I posted from the 2007 video...showing that the point of impact is in the WRONG place.





note that there are the same numbers on it...0205...maybe the date of the original? Feb 05?....and there's that little white arrow.


I don't know how much clearer I can make the point that I am making.


Gordon Duff said what he said and used the video to back up his claim...but the video is a hoax and shows the wrong 'impact' position.


this is what he said....."The following video shows a cruise type missile hitting the Pentagon. It was taken from a NORAD satellite at great distance. How do we know? We just do."


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04...t-be-silenced/






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[sdv]

Check out all the evidence and then decide for yourself: a conspiracy or a very incompetent goevernment?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...witnesses.html

How the heck did that hijacker manage to fly a plane into the Pentagon?

Did you know that the USA condemns terrorism, fights a war against terrorism (abroad and at home) but harbours terrorists, trains them, funds them ...?

What is a terrorist? Was 9/11 a typical terrorist attack or something else?

[Cidersomerset]

Ok 19 'Terrorists' ...Hijaked 4 planes with Stanley knives /box cutters.....Flew three into buildings and one down a hole....
Brought down three plane proof High rise buildings and destroyed the part of the Pentagon where the financial people
worked thus hiding the trillions of dollars Rumsfedt said was missing the day before.....
All masterminded from a cave in Afghanistan, while all the US warplanes were conducting wargames against a possible hostile
threat from her new friend Russia...
This allowed the TPTB to invade Afghanistan, reopen the opium trade that had been redused underthe taliban and now is
more productive than ever under NATO protection, and secure the Caspian sea oil pipe line..
Thus opening the way for the Neo cons to invade Iraq to steel Stargate Tech from the Bagdad museum.
As they already knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction as the UN weapons inspectors told them..
Also completeing the encirclement of Iran....

Now if any of this was planned by Osama Bin Laden it would make him the most incompetent freedom fighter of
all time because by attacking the great 'Satan' he destroyed the Muslim world he was fighting for.!!!
It does not add up from their point of View as Osama said after the attack he knew
nothing about it....

[Selene]

My sincere apologies, JayBee.

The video you introduced is indeed the same footage; I was mistaken. With your kind permission, I will withdraw my comments.

Many thanks for your patience,

Selene

[sdv]

Yep, Cidersomerset, it just does not add up to the 'official story'.