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    I've been thinking about time travel for many years and the way I see it is this.

    In order to move either backwards or forwards in time everything must have already happened.
    If you travel back in time you are from the future and are travelling into a past that has already happened,
    if you travel forward in time you are from the past and you are travelling into a future that must have already happened.

    This means everything past or present has already happened therefore it cannot be changed.

    So time travel maybe possible but changing time is not..
    This is my opinion can anyone see why it might be wrong??

    The grandfather thing doesn't work
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    The multiuniverse theory makes this possible. What happens is that if you go back in time, then there’s already one of you in that time line and if you change anything then another timeline is created and therefore a new future.. And because of this the grandfather paradigm does not work. This is the simplest I could put it.
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    Quote Posted by Swanny (here)
    I've been thinking about time travel for many years and the way I see it is this.

    In order to move either backwards or forwards in time everything must have already happened.
    If you travel back in time you are from the future and are travelling into a past that has already happened,
    if you travel forward in time you are from the past and you are travelling into a future that must have already happened.

    This means everything past or present has already happened therefore it cannot be changed.

    So time travel maybe possible but changing time is not..
    This is my opinion can anyone see why it might be wrong??

    The grandfather thing doesn't work
    Does it even really exist?
    In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway.
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    Does it even really exist?
    There’s project looking glass and Philadelphia project amongst others! Quantum physics also makes this possible.

    Does it exists? Who knows for sure but great fun researching it. Makes the mind go beyond limits.
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    There’s project looking glass and Philadelphia project amongst others! Quantum physics also makes this possible.

    Does it exists? Who knows for sure but great fun researching it. Makes the mind go beyond limits.
    If you ask nicely I can tell you how it works.
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    this is a good read about the Phoenix and philadelphia Project :

    http://www.whale.to/b/orion.html

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    Quote Posted by Swanny (here)

    In order to move either backwards or forwards in time everything must have already happened.

    This means everything past or present has already happened therefore it cannot be changed.
    Everything that is happens simultaneously.

    This moment is all that is.

    Let's take a simple example, I assume that you are a grown, adult man or woman.

    When you look back at your early childhood, remember some emotionally important events,
    you can relive it, be there again,
    your brain and your nerves feed your body so that you feel all the same emotions and feelings,
    but something has changed, you have changed, your perception has changed,
    so the memory of that childhood event will slightly change.

    Time is like water with a barrier, you can make the water to move,
    but the barrier stays intact .
    The barrier is like a set event that cannot be altered.

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    the Back To The Future triliogy was the most fun - and mind bending - exercise in time loop/timeline possibilities...

    then theres also quantum leap, all of the timeline cross-overs in many of the Star Trek series and movies, Time Rider, Time After Time... I could go on (this is one of my favorite movie genres')

    I believe that there is enough MOVIE CLUES (according to the sick disclosure rituals of TPTB) to warrant that the truth of time travel does exist... it is just hard to sniff the real truth when they twist up facts they put in the movies for our viewing...

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    Quote Posted by Swanny (here)
    I've been thinking about time travel for many years and the way I see it is this.

    In order to move either backwards or forwards in time everything must have already happened.
    If you travel back in time you are from the future and are travelling into a past that has already happened,
    if you travel forward in time you are from the past and you are travelling into a future that must have already happened.

    This means everything past or present has already happened therefore it cannot be changed.

    So time travel maybe possible but changing time is not..
    This is my opinion can anyone see why it might be wrong??

    The grandfather thing doesn't work
    Or nothing has happened...
    In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway.
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    If you ask nicely I can tell you how it works.
    Ok, I'll bite. Pretty please with a cherry on top - please do tell?

    (is that nice enough K?)
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    Ok, I'll bite. Pretty please with a cherry on top - please do tell?

    (is that nice enough K?)
    Is he throwing the ball or is he catching it?
    In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway.
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    So time travel maybe possible but changing time is not..
    This is my opinion can anyone see why it might be wrong??
    (rubbing hands) ok - what is your definition of 'wrong'?
    do you mean that
    *it is impossible to change situations in the current timeline? or
    *you cant alter the timeline? or
    *it would be wrong to try to change the actions in a certain timeline? or
    *fate is certain and whatever you do when you time travel has already been accounted for/done? or
    *you cant restructure time because time only exists in our minds and everything is done in the eternal NOW? or

    what?
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    Is he throwing the ball or is he catching it?
    oh goodie - a puzzle! He has to throw it first in order to catch it. or is it that he's doing both at the same time??

    Puzzle for you - Tell me this - is his head hitting the wall or the wall hitting his head??
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    The mind can only handle one timeline at a time (one center) the light body and your phsical body can handle any amount. Our understanding of time is our minds need to be anchored.
    In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway.
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    oh goodie - a puzzle! He has to throw it first in order to catch it. or is it that he's doing both at the same time??

    Puzzle for you - Tell me this - is his head hitting the wall or the wall hitting his head??
    hmmm... I would say that anything stationary is the hitee and the moving object is the hiter... so his head is hitting the wall...

    and for the catching/throwing the ball - it is both- in cycles

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    Quote Posted by Gita (here)
    oh goodie - a puzzle! He has to throw it first in order to catch it. or is it that he's doing both at the same time??

    Puzzle for you - Tell me this - is his head hitting the wall or the wall hitting his head??
    Good Gita...He IS doing both. For to throw the ball he already imagines catching it...

    Ok, think about this..

    If you travel away from the earth at near the speed of light and come back from the nearest star, time on earth has passed expotentially...You might have been away a couple of years, but time on the planet has passed many decades (or more)...How are these two actions linked? The earth doesn't know what you're upto and time certainly doesn't....?
    In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway.
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    hmmm... I would say that anything stationary is the hitee and the moving object is the hiter... so his head is hitting the wall...

    and for the catching/throwing the ball - it is both- in cycles
    So in general terms we can say time is action or the passing of things...The risng and setting of the sun and the seasons for instance...It's how we denote time. But what if the natural cycles were themselves in a loop...Has time passed?
    In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway.
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    Um....

    I take it we've already decided that time actually exists, beyond the duality of perception. Right?

    Did I miss a memo ?

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    But what if the natural cycles were themselves in a loop...?
    you lost me on that one...

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    Quote Posted by Fredkc (here)
    Um....

    I take it we've already decided that time actually exists, . Right?
    nope...that is ONE of the accepted premises... for the sake of the debate... muh-hahaha
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