Ormus

[MacStar]

Posted by Cilka (here)

Posted by MacStar (here)

Posted by Cilka (here)

Posted by MacStar (here)
The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

Some research will yield natural sources high in said molecule

I dunno,poop doesn't really come into the equation LOL...Giant Mantis aren't that scarey,actually they are quite interested to meet you.

I bet that they, Giant Mantis, would be interested to meet anyone. They just would be a bit scary. In my dream a few years back, I was trying to get a huge spider off my shoulder, well, instead of doing it while dreaming only, I actually did that in my bed physically and could actually see the black icky thing crawling on my shoulder. In the process of trying to get it off of me I pulled a muscle in my neck and immediately threw up. It took weeks for the muscle to heal, I could not move at all, I could barely make a phone call to my boss at work that day, I actually had to push my body with force across the floor to get to the phone, could not bathe or eat, going to the bathroom, I won't even go there, it was just pure hell. I am not sure if I was taking a stroll in another dimensional neighbourhood and this black thing decided to crawl on me, but since then I really dont like fuzzy looking things. Mantis is a hair-free critter, so I guess I could handle that.

There is a guy in the US who sells frogs that produce this DMT molecule in high concentrations. The problem is that shipping a live frog across the border would cause a slight problem. And my pineal gland does not produce enough of it during daylight.

Wow,interesting experience indeed!!
Although with the last sentence, you might want to check this link:
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...do/pineal.html
With the Chemtrails and winter months,Melatonin is the culprit,so research that area.

Ummoh yeah,the Toads LOL, yeah we have similar toads here in Aus.They were introduced to combat the cane beetle.They are a big problem here.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYUHnf7Uy1k

Nah we're not all like that

DMT is N,N Dimethyltryptamine,but the Toads are a little different in that they contain 5-MEO Dimethyltryptamine and Bufotenine 5-HO-Dimethyltryptamine amongst other chemicals dependant on the species.

From the same Movie:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn_ruZT_d2A

This actually does happen here!

Similar compounds can also be found in various grasses and seeds from various trees.Yopo is used by the Venezualan Shaman and similar preparations are used by other indigenous peoples in other areas around the world.
The effects are obviously going to be different to pure DMT as is the toxicology,so you really do need to know you stuff.Even with extractions as solvents can be left behind.
Certainly not endrosing the use of these powerful Psychoactives as even when taken "safely",there should ALWAYS be an experienced sitter,the set and setting rules must be observed...and there is always the chance of an "intrusion" during the journey from the physical body.
The other thing with any of these Hallucinogens,is there is always a chance one might find it difficult to integrate the experience into the "normal" waking life.This is apparent with people who have flashbacks.
This is why I would recommend being with a Shaman.
Seen the Bruce Parry Series-Going Tribal?
It's on YooToob and a really good series.
Shamans of the Amazon is a must too.

Posted by Cilka (here)

Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by Cilka (here)

Posted by MacStar (here)
The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

It's extremely easy to make.

If it was that easy to make I would make it myself. Is there a recipe on the net somewhere? I am aware that this is a natural chemical that every living creature has.

Search and ye will find,bearing in mind the legal status depending on where you live.
Erowid,DMT Nexus,http://forums.ayahuasca.com/
Observe what I have written above on the safety issues.Like all spiritual journeys,care must be taken for the physical and psychological bodies and these tribes have been at it since before the dawn of the "People's front of Judea"

Posted by M6* (here)
Hi MacStar!

I would like to hear more about what you mean by "rebuilt the damage" concerning your tooth.
I probably have a tooth, or two, that could use some "damage control" :-) M6*

Hi M6*
Obviously stay away from tap water and Fluoridated toothpaste!
Here's something interesting!
Dental Health.txt

I've been trying to get ozhare to contribute but I know he's a busy man,hopefully he'll share his method,experiences and mixtures etc.
For myself,he made up an Ormes precipitate in suspension of a mix of Himalayan,Dead Sea and Celtic salts using the wet method and sent me some.
He made it up as an "all rounder",not specific for anything in particular,so I mixed some with pure water and sprayed some plants with it.These plants then became frost resistant compared to those I didn't spray.
This was kind of like a "mother" to be further refined as it contained quite a large amount of Magnesium Sulphate(I think?)...swallowed, it is very salty and makes ya poop anyway
Basically I used as is dripped onto my toothbrush and that's all I did!

In saying that,some of his first preps were made from sea water,which seem to be good with plants and the fungi that help absorb the nutrients.In essence it can really help restore the soil as a conditioner.
Fungi is everything to us

As for doses,from memory he said when you start to hear a tone in your head,that's about the dose.

Be safe

Cheers

[Cilka]

Posted by MacStar (here)

Posted by Cilka (here)

Posted by MacStar (here)

Posted by Cilka (here)

Posted by MacStar (here)
The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

Some research will yield natural sources high in said molecule

I dunno,poop doesn't really come into the equation LOL...Giant Mantis aren't that scarey,actually they are quite interested to meet you.

I bet that they, Giant Mantis, would be interested to meet anyone. They just would be a bit scary. In my dream a few years back, I was trying to get a huge spider off my shoulder, well, instead of doing it while dreaming only, I actually did that in my bed physically and could actually see the black icky thing crawling on my shoulder. In the process of trying to get it off of me I pulled a muscle in my neck and immediately threw up. It took weeks for the muscle to heal, I could not move at all, I could barely make a phone call to my boss at work that day, I actually had to push my body with force across the floor to get to the phone, could not bathe or eat, going to the bathroom, I won't even go there, it was just pure hell. I am not sure if I was taking a stroll in another dimensional neighbourhood and this black thing decided to crawl on me, but since then I really dont like fuzzy looking things. Mantis is a hair-free critter, so I guess I could handle that.

There is a guy in the US who sells frogs that produce this DMT molecule in high concentrations. The problem is that shipping a live frog across the border would cause a slight problem. And my pineal gland does not produce enough of it during daylight.

Wow,interesting experience indeed!!
Although with the last sentence, you might want to check this link:
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...do/pineal.html
With the Chemtrails and winter months,Melatonin is the culprit,so research that area.

Ummoh yeah,the Toads LOL, yeah we have similar toads here in Aus.They were introduced to combat the cane beetle.They are a big problem here.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYUHnf7Uy1k

Nah we're not all like that

DMT is N,N Dimethyltryptamine,but the Toads are a little different in that they contain 5-MEO Dimethyltryptamine and Bufotenine 5-HO-Dimethyltryptamine amongst other chemicals dependant on the species.

From the same Movie:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn_ruZT_d2A

This actually does happen here!

Similar compounds can also be found in various grasses and seeds from various trees.Yopo is used by the Venezualan Shaman and similar preparations are used by other indigenous peoples in other areas around the world.
The effects are obviously going to be different to pure DMT as is the toxicology,so you really do need to know you stuff.Even with extractions as solvents can be left behind.
Certainly not endrosing the use of these powerful Psychoactives as even when taken "safely",there should ALWAYS be an experienced sitter,the set and setting rules must be observed...and there is always the chance of an "intrusion" during the journey from the physical body.
The other thing with any of these Hallucinogens,is there is always a chance one might find it difficult to integrate the experience into the "normal" waking life.This is apparent with people who have flashbacks.
This is why I would recommend being with a Shaman.
Seen the Bruce Parry Series-Going Tribal?
It's on YooToob and a really good series.
Shamans of the Amazon is a must too.

Posted by Cilka (here)

Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by Cilka (here)

Posted by MacStar (here)
The Spirit Molecule.....no words can describe.

After reading the book, I really want to get hold of the stuff. With my luck I bet that on my first trip I would encounter some huge spiders on the way or something like that, of course I would probably poop in my pants. These past few months I have realized how beautiful our reality is. I always knew there was magic around us. Our amazing universes. We are just so bloody lucky.

It's extremely easy to make.

If it was that easy to make I would make it myself. Is there a recipe on the net somewhere? I am aware that this is a natural chemical that every living creature has.

Search and ye will find,bearing in mind the legal status depending on where you live.
Erowid,DMT Nexus,http://forums.ayahuasca.com/
Observe what I have written above on the safety issues.Like all spiritual journeys,care must be taken for the physical and psychological bodies and these tribes have been at it since before the dawn of the "People's front of Judea"

Posted by M6* (here)
Hi MacStar!

I would like to hear more about what you mean by "rebuilt the damage" concerning your tooth.
I probably have a tooth, or two, that could use some "damage control" :-) M6*

Hi M6*
Obviously stay away from tap water and Fluoridated toothpaste!
Here's something interesting!
Attachment 15619

I've been trying to get ozhare to contribute but I know he's a busy man,hopefully he'll share his method,experiences and mixtures etc.
For myself,he made up an Ormes precipitate in suspension of a mix of Himalayan,Dead Sea and Celtic salts using the wet method and sent me some.
He made it up as an "all rounder",not specific for anything in particular,so I mixed some with pure water and sprayed some plants with it.These plants then became frost resistant compared to those I didn't spray.
This was kind of like a "mother" to be further refined as it contained quite a large amount of Magnesium Sulphate(I think?)...swallowed, it is very salty and makes ya poop anyway
Basically I used as is dripped onto my toothbrush and that's all I did!

In saying that,some of his first preps were made from sea water,which seem to be good with plants and the fungi that help absorb the nutrients.In essence it can really help restore the soil as a conditioner.
Fungi is everything to us

As for doses,from memory he said when you start to hear a tone in your head,that's about the dose.

Be safe

Cheers

You are one lucky guy, you have DMT running around in your backyard. Yes, the DMT is slightly different in the toads, but it's free, it works almost the same and is available to be picked up in your backyard. Look at the dog, he was not complaining, so what is your problem? JUST KIDDING. I think that dog was soooo cute, he sure made me laugh, even he got addicted to the feeling of being in heaven, even if it is for a short time.

Thanks for the info, I will look into the melatonin stuff. I did look at mimosa hostilis root bark, but what turned me off was the solvent Bestine. It's too toxic and i dont think it's worth messing up my body, especially when I am just finishing a major detox. I used to have my own distilation apparatus, and I got rid of it a few years back, I used to work in a lab. I sure did not learn about this stuff in school; if I did school would have been more interesting that's for sure. DMT is different, it does not last long and is broken down in the body quickly. That's why it is the only thing I would be willing to try. By the way, I tried shamanism, but I gave it up. There are a few people here who teach it, but they are not real shaman and just because someone took a course on shamanism does not mean that they are one. I will look at those videos as you suggested.

In regards to something that supposes to rebuilt the enamel, have you heard of MI paste? I had an issue with an extremely sensitive tooth last year, and I mean it was sooo sensitive that nothing helped the pain. I looked up MI paste on the internet, the product is made in Australia but I managed to order it from US. And it actually works and I only have to use the paste once a week. By the way, dont get the paste with fluoride, you can get one without it, and also, if you are alergic to milk then this product is not for you. M6 was inquiring about this, I think. Hopefully he will read this thread.

Thanks again. In my early 20's I went backpacking to Australia for 6 months. Too bad I did not know about the frog then. I am late for everything.

[Eram]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
Ormus NATURALLY occurs in raw wild spring water from the source -- and is also in the gel of fresh aloe vera leaves. I learned about this from David Avocado Wolfe. Spring water ROCKS...! I have learned that Ormus is a levitational energy/substance that defies gravity. It is how sap RISES in trees, and how springs climb UP mountains. Ormus is like the "ethereal" component to solid minerals such as those in the Periodic Table of the Elements. Avocado discovered that when he took with him some Ormus Gold he had made on a plane trip that after it went through the X-ray machine it turned back to the solid form of gold...! (Another reason, he says, that we end up with heavy metals in our bodies -- from X-ray radiation transmuting the ormus in our bodies to solid matter!)

Makes sense doesn't it?
Everywhere people, especially old people will tell you to get your water from a spring and not from tap water. It's no myth!
The old folks are no fools. In our little community old people speak of it matter of factly. When they feel the need to work on their health, they walk for about 2 miles to a spring in the Hills at a little church where they get spring water.

yesterday we went up there and took about 10 gallons of that water and we will get our water there for ever now.
never drink tap water again

Drunvalo Melchizedek has explained that the water from the tap, when you look at it real close, has the same characteristics as water in the body that is surrounding an area with a disease. It has to do with the water running trough metal pipes I think.

From now on. Spring water for us!
Thanks Avocadess

[meat suit]

nice spring Wakey!

here is a great story about water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taQUr...ure=plpp_video

and here is 'Willards Water' ........ I suspect that this is Ormus too.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gu8F...ure=plpp_video

cheers

meat

[Eram]

Posted by meat suit (here)
nice spring Wakey!

here is a great story about water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taQUr...ure=plpp_video

and here is 'Willards Water' ........ I suspect that this is Ormus too.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gu8F...ure=plpp_video

cheers

meat

Thanks meat!

This is so interesting! I looked at the first of 8 parts of the first link and will look at all the others soon.
recording information into water explained by scientists.
What a wonderful world we live in.

So giving love and gratitude to water before drinking does change the way it behaves. We do this sometimes already, but will increase this now.

[MacStar]

Thanks all so far,this last link lead to another I would like to share as I find it very reasonable:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3QmwI1caU

Cheers



and of course now listening to this!

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzm6burVwQc

So far I can relate as I have a very close affinity to Myclogy...the most important organism in regards to water,nature,dowsing....the cavity structure of these fungi are Ormus emitting foods by nature....maybe even "Aliens" hidden in plain sight like Mckenna proposes.

The rest fits in with Ormus

[Trail]

I am going to make my own ormus according to the wet method.

I have ordered 1kg dead sea salt.
500g of food-grade NaOH lye.
10 liters of distilled water.

Waiting for everything to arrive, meanwhile i'm hunting big glass jar's with lids and big seringes to siphon of water when washing.

Will keep everyone posted.
~Trail.

[meat suit]

very good Trail,
make sure you wear gloves and goggles when you play with lye!

I tried dead sea salt just now by itself and didnt get much of a reaction...I think there isnt much magnesium in there...
so, just made a batch with seawater (loads of magnesium) and added dead sea salt to that...great harvest...
I no longer bother with distilled water, and just use bottled springwater...may change back once I built a larger distiller...

cheers

meat

[Trail]

Posted by meat suit (here)
very good Trail,
make sure you wear gloves and goggles when you play with lye!

I tried dead sea salt just now by itself and didnt get much of a reaction...I think there isnt much magnesium in there...
so, just made a batch with seawater (loads of magnesium) and added dead sea salt to that...great harvest...
I no longer bother with distilled water, and just use bottled springwater...may change back once I built a larger distiller...

cheers

meat

I have no gloves or goggles but the first thing i'll do is make a lye solution wich i'll be using with a squirt bottle instead of working with the NaOH granules directly. 2tps lye on a cup of distilled water or so.

About different source materials,
On this page there's a table of yields from different sources:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/ormus/ormus4.htm

Why are you interested in the magnesium content?
I think i will purify my yield by -removing- magnesium.

Technique for removing magnesium is explained here:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/dss_ormus.htm

~Trail.

[Trail]

Found and got me two ~5 liter glass 'weckpot' type of bottles:


They can be airsealed, thus can be shaken.

Still need a way to siphon off the top layer of water.
People have commented that using a seringe or turkey baster is not ideal.
Thinking of using an small aquarium hose and suck it off that way, but it needs to be able to resist an alkaline solution.
I'm also wondering about the possibility to create a small tap on the glass itself and getting it watertight and alkaline proof.

Anyway my lil ormus project is still going strong

~Trail.

[meat suit]

from wet method:

(For the following methods to work, some researchers claim that magnesium or magnesium hydroxide -- Mg(OH)2 -- must be present in the starting material. (Since the Boiling Gold method is effective without any magnesium, this claim will need to be tested.) Sea water already has Mg(OH)2, so you don't need to add it to sea water. Try your water first. If you don't get any precipitate, you might add a teaspoon per gallon of Epsom salts to the starting material for its magnesium. If you do add Epsom salts, the magnesium from them will be a large portion of the precipitate.)

I know you can loose the mag. afterwards, but I understand that you want it initially to help the precipitation.

[Trail]

Posted by meat suit (here)
I know you can loose the mag. afterwards, but I understand that you want it initially to help the precipitation.

Ah thanks for explaining.

Received my 500grams of food-grade NaOH today.

Waiting for the sea salt and water, expecting those tomorrow.

Wondering when would be the best astrological time to create the ormus.
Maybe on a new moon? Does anyone here have some information on this?

~Trail.

[MacStar]

Posted by Trail (here)

Posted by meat suit (here)
I know you can loose the mag. afterwards, but I understand that you want it initially to help the precipitation.

Ah thanks for explaining.

Received my 500grams of food-grade NaOH today.

Waiting for the sea salt and water, expecting those tomorrow.

Wondering when would be the best astrological time to create the ormus.
Maybe on a new moon? Does anyone here have some information on this?

~Trail.

Good stuff Trail!

Well,ozhare used many methods and went quite deep into this.
Going from memory I recall him saying he did the prep 3 days before the Full Moon and then energized it on the Full Moon.
He also studied and used the methods for dowsing here:
http://www.raymongraceprojects.com/p...ingToDowse.pdf to aid in defining the materials,timing..basically anything you want to "ask" about the process including any further refining and potency.

It seems each "wet-salt" has it's forte's depending on what you intend on using it for.Dead Sea Salt has a very wide content of many salts.
As mentioned above Himilayan,Dead Sea and Celtic mixed seem to be a good mix but it all depends on your intended use.

Dowse everything!

ozhare even drew up or printed some sacred geometry,placed a under glass sheet to place the jar on and used that for the energizing process to implant the intent.Many other adaptations can be used,even a photograph of someone you wish to treat.The sky is the limit so get creative

As for the Lye,make sure you add the Lye to the water not the other way around and it is advisable to use a container that is twice as large as the volume of the water in a well ventilated area..it will cause an exothermic reaction and can become hot quite rapidly,so probably best to make up first and use small batches of water/lye mix and then carefully drip this into the solution.Cold water is best to use,maybe even refrigerate it first.Never add to hot water.
Always use gloves and wear protective/easily removable clothing and goggles.Have vinegar and water close by....this stuff will turn your skin into soap

Please report on your results

[Trail]

MacStar: thanks great tips!!

I have started my first ormus making process!

I'm working as clean as possible, as sterile as possible even. Washed everything thats going to touch the ormus.
I decided to start with getting the salt disolved into the distilled water first since that could take 12 hours to disolve.

Since my two glass weckbottles are actually larger than i expected (5 liters instead of 3) my batch is going to be more than i expected as i have to disolve HALF of my 1KG salt into 2 liters of water. I thought i had read about using a few tablespoons before but it has become clear that for every half a cup of salts, i need 2 cups of water, a 1 to 4 ratio for seawater. Meaning to fill my 5 liter weck bottle i need to put at least 2 liter water in there to be able to work with it nicely, more liquid would be better but this first time i wanted to take it slow.

The disolving process only took 15 minutes of stirring (anti clockwise motion only and already charging the seawater with high yield / high vibrational healing ormus intentions) at room temperature, the resulting liquid does taste like seawater and is a little off colored. The seawater has a light brown hazy look. I decided to filter this solution through 5 coffee filters at once. This takes about an hour to drip through and the resulting liquid is amazingly clear now.

* Next i will let the seawater sit overnight eventhough it has already nicely disolved. (rumour has it the yield is greater when the sea water sits overnight :S)

* Now i need to desperately find my PH meter and recalibrate it using new buffer solutions. It's been a while since i had to use it and i can't find it anywhere &^$@*!#, i also wonder if the replaceable ph probe has been dried out in the meantime and might have become unreliable. Still i refuse to use ph paper when i have an unused profesional ph meter lying around -somewhere-.

* Meanwhile i'm gonna create a 20% NaOH solution by disolving 25 grams of pure NaOH into 175ml cold distilled water. Just as soon as i find something to put it in.

I can't continue tomorrow, i have a bachelors party for a friend, but i'm working very clean so i guess i can let the seawater sit there for a few days, the high salt content doesn't help bactera grow either and i might boil everything it at some point later just to be totally sure.

At least i started

~Trail.

[MacStar]

Cool!

Go easy on the Grog mate

[Trail]

Quote from http://blog.genuineobservations.com/...he-wet-method/

About purifying ormus (removing Mg(OH)2) after the ormus has been created using the wet method.

5. Add lye solution VERY SLOWLY drop-by-drop to bring the pH back up to 8.5 – 8.7. The precipitate that forms should be m-state mostly free of Mg(OH)2 (because m-state precipitates in this pH range, and Mg(OH)2 does not precipitate until pH 9.)

What i don't understand is why bother raising the PH to 10.78 in the first place. Why not leave the Mg(OH)2 in there altogether by never going above 8.7 in the wet method process?

Anyone have a clue?
~Trail.

[meat suit]

Posted by Trail (here)
Quote from http://blog.genuineobservations.com/...he-wet-method/

About purifying ormus (removing Mg(OH)2) after the ormus has been created using the wet method.

5. Add lye solution VERY SLOWLY drop-by-drop to bring the pH back up to 8.5 – 8.7. The precipitate that forms should be m-state mostly free of Mg(OH)2 (because m-state precipitates in this pH range, and Mg(OH)2 does not precipitate until pH 9.)

thats wrong...you bring the ph down to 8.5 with acid.... lye will bring it up further.....

What i don't understand is why bother raising the PH to 10.78 in the first place. Why not leave the Mg(OH)2 in there altogether by never going above 8.7 in the wet method process?

Anyone have a clue?
~Trail.

the m-state elements are separating out at ph9.5 upwards, but above ph 10.78 you get unwanted elements, so stop below 10.78

I leave the mag. in anyway,,,its good for you...

*managed to write that inside the quote somehow...see above (thats wrong...you bring the ph down to 8.5 with acid.... lye will bring it up further.....)

[Trail]

It's kinda correct because step 3 involved adding HCL to lower the ph first. So then adding lye brings it 'up' to 8.5

HOW TO PURIFY YOUR PRECIPITATE (http://blog.genuineobservations.com/...he-wet-method/)

The precipitate made from sea water contains milk of magnesia (Mg(OH)2), which precipitates approximately around the same pH range that m-state does. Here are four methods to separate Mg(OH) 2 from m-state:

METHOD 1.

1. Suppose you just made a precipitate by adding lye solution to sea water. The precipitate is m-state mixed with Mg(OH) 2.

2. Use a syringe to remove the liquid over the precipitate, and discard the liquid. This leaves only the m-state/Mg(OH)2 precipitate.

3. To the wet precipitate, add hydrochloric acid (HCl) until you reduce the pH to 1.0 – 3.5. You can use muriatic acid (31% HCl) from a hardware store, but lab-grade HCl is less likely to be contaminated. A safe alternative to HCl is distilled white vinegar.

4. The white colloidal precipitate should dissolve, leaving a clear solution.

5. Add lye solution VERY SLOWLY drop-by-drop to bring the pH back up to 8.5 – 8.7. The precipitate that forms should be m-state mostly free of Mg(OH)2 (because m-state precipitates in this pH range, and Mg(OH)2 does not precipitate until pH 9.)

Note that your total yield may be diminished because you are not going past pH 8.7.

6. Remove the liquid above the precipitate, and wash the precipitate. It should be mostly m-state.

Posted by meat suit (here)
the m-state elements are separating out at ph9.5 upwards

the guy above seems to think m-state precipitates at ph 8.5-8.7

where can we tripple check this?

[meat suit]

apologies Trail, I misread that.....
If you search youtube for ormus + enota , there are a few vids ....

out of interest now, I will try to loose the mag. as discussed...see what happens..

[Trail]

Another thing i was thinking about:

When washing the precipitate with fresh water the ph should go down considerably each time... shouldn't the m-state resolve back into the fresh water then ?

~Trail.