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    I just find the whole idea of lazy thinking and an environment that has evolved so powerfully to keep people there...and... to have an entire society misunderstand and misplace the heights of intellect and endeavor..well..I find that appalling.

    I explained that my original comment on the original study and opening post ---that response was one that I simply had to make. And indeed, it was delicious. It tasted great, and I will in no way ever apologize for it. I've never made political comments here on this forum and I never make them anywhere else, either. So I made one. Once.

    In the following posts, I clarified.

    Read carefully, or you will miss the entire point of the thread, as intended by the thread starter.


    There is much more to chew on than any simple 'attack', much..much..more.

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    Please tell me this is a report from The Onion.

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    Hi Carmody,

    thanks for this thread, the information about how quick/lazy thinking differs from long-term contemplation, and how fragmenting our thought-processes leads to a rewiring of the brain is quite enlightening. I was wondering just today why I can no longer concentrate the way I used to, and this does give me some very useful clues...

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    The point is that anything that breaks contemplation, from what I've read and personally understand...shrinks the brain. (completely retards progress)
    ...

    after being brought up in a life of broken or discrete thoughts, wired to think in small bits and always changing directions.. what is required to fix that..is a MINIMUM of 6 months to maybe few years of NO media, NO interruptions of thought, whatsoever. For you need to rewire yourself and that requires zero input that returns the mind to the prior groove or prior pattern, otherwise, like heroin addiction or similar, the demon returns in full force.
    Since you are here using the internet, and I sometimes see you posting links to videos/music on youtube, I'm guessing that you don't count the internet, movies, books, cds etc as "media one has to avoid" altogether, but rather their presentation in a stream outside of your control, such as on TV or radio - with the distinction being that any interruptions should be self-directed, rather than imposed on you by advertisments etc. Am I understanding you correctly?

    In my own case, I'm noticing that I'm using any media in a fragmentary fashion nowadays, such as jumping from thought to thought when following links on the internet or reading only parts of articles. Also, isn't all video mindlessness-inducing? I'm not sure how one could keep up any coherent stream of thought while watching a movie...

    So how far do you specifically think that this would have to be taken to re-wire one's brain? sitting in a cave all day meditating? a "normal/Western" lifestyle, just without exposure to electronic media / unhealthy work situations / schooling (since schools promote exactly that type of fragmentary thinking)? or should media apart from TV/radio/stuff with advertisments be ok?

    thanks for your thoughts on this
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    This theory doesn't hold water, Atleast Imo. Dr. Charles Krauthammer Is one of the smartest men in the room, If you know what I mean.
    He is a conservative. columnist. ( He is brilliant )

    Life and career

    Krauthammer was born on March 13, 1950, in New York City.[3][4] He was raised in Montreal, Quebec, where he attended McGill University and obtained an honors degree in political science and economics in 1970. He was a Commonwealth Scholar in politics at Balliol College, Oxford, 1970–1971. He later moved back to the United States, where he attended Harvard Medical School. Suffering a paralyzing accident in his first year of medical school,[4][5] he was hospitalized for a year, during which time he continued his medical studies. He graduated with his class, earning a Doctor of Medicine from Harvard Medical School in 1975, and went on to complete a residency in psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital. In 1984 he became board certified in Psychiatry by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology[6]

    From 1975 to 1978, Krauthammer was a resident and then a chief resident in Psychiatry at the Massachusetts General Hospital. Whilst chief resident, he co-discovered a form of mania resulting from a concomitant medical illness, rather than a primary inherent disorder, which he named "secondary mania"[7] and co-authored an important chapter (with Gerald Klerman) on the epidemiology of manic illness for the first worldwide textbook of Manic Illness edited by Baron Shopsin.[8] Frequent reference to his work appears throughout the 2007 textbook Manic-Depressive Illness, edited by Fred Goodwin and Kay Jamison, a standard reference for bipolar disorder.[9]

    In 1978, Krauthammer came to Washington, D.C. to direct planning in psychiatric research under the Carter administration.[citation needed] He began contributing articles about politics to The New Republic and in 1980 served as a speech writer to Vice President Walter Mondale.[citation needed] In January 1981, Krauthammer joined The New Republic as both a writer and editor.[citation needed] In 1984, his New Republic essays won the "National Magazine Award for Essays and Criticism".[citation needed] In 1983, he began writing essays for Time magazine, one of which first brought him national acclaim for his development of the "Reagan Doctrine"...a term that endures to date (see below herein under "Cold War").[citation needed] In 1985, he began a weekly column for The Washington Post, which in 1987 was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for commentary.[citation needed] In 1990, he became a panelist for the weekly PBS political roundtable, Inside Washington.[citation needed] For the last decade, he has been a political analyst/commentator for Fox News.[citation needed]

    In 2006, the Financial Times named Krauthammer the most influential commentator in America,[10] saying "Krauthammer has influenced US foreign policy for more than two decades. He coined and developed 'The Reagan Doctrine' in 1985 and he defined the US role as sole superpower in his essay, 'The Unipolar Moment', published shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Krauthammer's 2004 speech 'Democratic Realism', which was delivered to the American Enterprise Institute when Krauthammer won the Irving Kristol Award, set out a framework for tackling the post 9/11 world, focusing on the promotion of democracy in the Middle East."

    In 2009, Politico columnist Ben Smith wrote that Krauthammer had "emerged in the Age of Obama as a central conservative voice," a "kind of leader of the opposition...a coherent, sophisticated and implacable critic of the new president." The New York Times columnist David Brooks says that today "he's the most important conservative columnist."[11] Former congressman and MSNBC host Joe Scarborough called Krauthammer "without a doubt the most powerful force in American conservatism. He has [been] for two, three, four years."[12]

    Apart from the Pulitzer Prize and the National Magazine Award for Essays and Criticism, Krauthammer has received numerous other awards, including the People for the American Way's First Amendment Award, the Champion/Tuck Award for Economic Understanding, the first annual ($250,000) Bradley Prize, and the Eric Breindel Award for Excellence in Opinion Journalism,[13] an annual award given by the Eric Breindel Foundation.



    Former president Bill Clinton called Krauthammer "a brilliant man" in a December 2010 press conference.[14] Krauthammer responded, tongue-in-cheek, that "my career is done" and "I'm toast".[15]

    Krauthammer is a member of the Chess Journalists of America[16] and the Council on Foreign Relati


    I'm sure krauthammer is intelligent but he's not a conservative. He is a neo-con who likes wars of agression and taking away civil liberties. Neither of which are conservative positions.

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    There is something missing here, maybe I am missing the whole point. If forced to use a damn label I would consider myself socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Ten years ago, before really putting any thought into anything i would of been considered very liberal. It seems to me the liberal ideas are the simple, easier to grasp ones that require little thought. We should help the poor, we should have universal health care, there should be a minimum wage, we should not allow children to work. It isn't until you start to study the unintended consequences that you see the danger in some of these concepts. Helping the poor from an invisible government hand keeps most poor down and makes them reliant. Universal Health care makes a slave of the care takers and usually ends up in rationing and poorer quality health. Minimum wage destroyed the minority working class and probably set blacks back 30 years when first implemented. This seems to be a lazy study that was probably done by people who lean left. My low-effort thought, and that of my friends, is almost always liberal.
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    Quote Posted by jagman (here)
    This theory doesn't hold water, Atleast Imo. Dr. Charles Krauthammer Is one of the smartest men in the room, If you know what I mean.
    He is a conservative. columnist. ( He is brilliant )

    Life and career

    Krauthammer was born on March 13, 1950, in New York City.[3][4] He was raised in Montreal, Quebec, where he attended McGill University and obtained an honors degree in political science and economics in 1970. He was a Commonwealth Scholar in politics at Balliol College, Oxford, 1970–1971. He later moved back to the United States, where he attended Harvard Medical School. Suffering a paralyzing accident in his first year of medical school,[4][5] he was hospitalized for a year, during which time he continued his medical studies. He graduated with his class, earning a Doctor of Medicine from Harvard Medical School in 1975, and went on to complete a residency in psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital. In 1984 he became board certified in Psychiatry by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology[6]

    From 1975 to 1978, Krauthammer was a resident and then a chief resident in Psychiatry at the Massachusetts General Hospital. Whilst chief resident, he co-discovered a form of mania resulting from a concomitant medical illness, rather than a primary inherent disorder, which he named "secondary mania"[7] and co-authored an important chapter (with Gerald Klerman) on the epidemiology of manic illness for the first worldwide textbook of Manic Illness edited by Baron Shopsin.[8] Frequent reference to his work appears throughout the 2007 textbook Manic-Depressive Illness, edited by Fred Goodwin and Kay Jamison, a standard reference for bipolar disorder.[9]

    In 1978, Krauthammer came to Washington, D.C. to direct planning in psychiatric research under the Carter administration.[citation needed] He began contributing articles about politics to The New Republic and in 1980 served as a speech writer to Vice President Walter Mondale.[citation needed] In January 1981, Krauthammer joined The New Republic as both a writer and editor.[citation needed] In 1984, his New Republic essays won the "National Magazine Award for Essays and Criticism".[citation needed] In 1983, he began writing essays for Time magazine, one of which first brought him national acclaim for his development of the "Reagan Doctrine"...a term that endures to date (see below herein under "Cold War").[citation needed] In 1985, he began a weekly column for The Washington Post, which in 1987 was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for commentary.[citation needed] In 1990, he became a panelist for the weekly PBS political roundtable, Inside Washington.[citation needed] For the last decade, he has been a political analyst/commentator for Fox News.[citation needed]

    In 2006, the Financial Times named Krauthammer the most influential commentator in America,[10] saying "Krauthammer has influenced US foreign policy for more than two decades. He coined and developed 'The Reagan Doctrine' in 1985 and he defined the US role as sole superpower in his essay, 'The Unipolar Moment', published shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Krauthammer's 2004 speech 'Democratic Realism', which was delivered to the American Enterprise Institute when Krauthammer won the Irving Kristol Award, set out a framework for tackling the post 9/11 world, focusing on the promotion of democracy in the Middle East."

    In 2009, Politico columnist Ben Smith wrote that Krauthammer had "emerged in the Age of Obama as a central conservative voice," a "kind of leader of the opposition...a coherent, sophisticated and implacable critic of the new president." The New York Times columnist David Brooks says that today "he's the most important conservative columnist."[11] Former congressman and MSNBC host Joe Scarborough called Krauthammer "without a doubt the most powerful force in American conservatism. He has [been] for two, three, four years."[12]

    Apart from the Pulitzer Prize and the National Magazine Award for Essays and Criticism, Krauthammer has received numerous other awards, including the People for the American Way's First Amendment Award, the Champion/Tuck Award for Economic Understanding, the first annual ($250,000) Bradley Prize, and the Eric Breindel Award for Excellence in Opinion Journalism,[13] an annual award given by the Eric Breindel Foundation.



    Former president Bill Clinton called Krauthammer "a brilliant man" in a December 2010 press conference.[14] Krauthammer responded, tongue-in-cheek, that "my career is done" and "I'm toast".[15]

    Krauthammer is a member of the Chess Journalists of America[16] and the Council on Foreign Relati


    I'm sure krauthammer is intelligent but he's not a conservative. He is a neo-con who likes wars of agression and taking away civil liberties. Neither of which are conservative positions.
    Charles is not the end all be all for me. I was simply using Krauthammer has an example that the original premise of Carmody's thread Imo was flawed. Charles
    has many opinions which I don't agree with and some i agree. I am a free thinking
    libertarian.

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    There is something missing here, maybe I am missing the whole point. If forced to use a damn label I would consider myself socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Ten years ago, before really putting any thought into anything i would of been considered very liberal. It seems to me the liberal ideas are the simple, easier to grasp ones that require little thought. We should help the poor, we should have universal health care, there should be a minimum wage, we should not allow children to work. It isn't until you start to study the unintended consequences that you see the danger in some of these concepts. Helping the poor from an invisible government hand keeps most poor down and makes them reliant. Universal Health care makes a slave of the care takers and usually ends up in rationing and poorer quality health. Minimum wage destroyed the minority working class and probably set blacks back 30 years when first implemented. This seems to be a lazy study that was probably done by people who lean left. My low-effort thought, and that of my friends, is almost always liberal.
    I couldn't agree more.

    I think this thread is a disturbing underscoring / continuance of "divide and conquer" and am frankly shocked at its source.

    I disagree completely with the study in the original post for the same reasons you have listed, mostly "unintended consequences" of government interference (regardless of his intent to underline "lazy thinking" which I do agree with, the presentation of that concept was terrible & shows what I see as a complete lack of understanding of how idea's are handled in the human mind; I again will reference Athene's theory on everything (mostly for the portion on strongly held beliefs)).



    All I see here is a divisive post with a quasi elitist attitude, poorly played sir, poorly played.
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    Thanks, TargeT! I was trying to figure out how to say the same without cussing and getting pissed off. Glad I didn't because you said it perfectly.

    Nancy
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    There is something missing here, maybe I am missing the whole point. If forced to use a damn label I would consider myself socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Ten years ago, before really putting any thought into anything i would of been considered very liberal. It seems to me the liberal ideas are the simple, easier to grasp ones that require little thought. We should help the poor, we should have universal health care, there should be a minimum wage, we should not allow children to work. It isn't until you start to study the unintended consequences that you see the danger in some of these concepts. Helping the poor from an invisible government hand keeps most poor down and makes them reliant. Universal Health care makes a slave of the care takers and usually ends up in rationing and poorer quality health. Minimum wage destroyed the minority working class and probably set blacks back 30 years when first implemented. This seems to be a lazy study that was probably done by people who lean left. My low-effort thought, and that of my friends, is almost always liberal.
    I couldn't agree more.

    I think this thread is a disturbing underscoring / continuance of "divide and conquer" and am frankly shocked at its source.

    I disagree completely with the study in the original post for the same reasons you have listed, mostly "unintended consequences" of government interference (regardless of his intent to underline "lazy thinking" which I do agree with, the presentation of that concept was terrible & shows what I see as a complete lack of understanding of how idea's are handled in the human mind; I again will reference Athene's theory on everything (mostly for the portion on strongly held beliefs)).

    All I see here is a divisive post with a quasi elitist attitude, poorly played sir, poorly played.

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    Thanks, TargeT! I was trying to figure out how to say the same without cussing and getting pissed off. Glad I didn't because you said it perfectly.

    Nancy
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    There is something missing here, maybe I am missing the whole point. If forced to use a damn label I would consider myself socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Ten years ago, before really putting any thought into anything i would of been considered very liberal. It seems to me the liberal ideas are the simple, easier to grasp ones that require little thought. We should help the poor, we should have universal health care, there should be a minimum wage, we should not allow children to work. It isn't until you start to study the unintended consequences that you see the danger in some of these concepts. Helping the poor from an invisible government hand keeps most poor down and makes them reliant. Universal Health care makes a slave of the care takers and usually ends up in rationing and poorer quality health. Minimum wage destroyed the minority working class and probably set blacks back 30 years when first implemented. This seems to be a lazy study that was probably done by people who lean left. My low-effort thought, and that of my friends, is almost always liberal.
    I couldn't agree more.

    I think this thread is a disturbing underscoring / continuance of "divide and conquer" and am frankly shocked at its source.

    I disagree completely with the study in the original post for the same reasons you have listed, mostly "unintended consequences" of government interference (regardless of his intent to underline "lazy thinking" which I do agree with, the presentation of that concept was terrible & shows what I see as a complete lack of understanding of how idea's are handled in the human mind; I again will reference Athene's theory on everything (mostly for the portion on strongly held beliefs)).

    All I see here is a divisive post with a quasi elitist attitude, poorly played sir, poorly played.
    I second that nancy and target. target said it perfectly.

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