Tolec and the Undersea Base

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by write4change (here)

Posted by Cilka (here)
IT's not the reptilians we should be afraid of. Our worst enemy has always been our own kind. The battle has only just started. To be honest with you if I had to choose between Cheney or Reptilian being for a friend, I would choose the Reptilian anytime over Cheney.

I don't believe any of this stuff but I read it just like I watched Star Trek all the time because I found it thought provoking. But I have always lived my life with people thinking about how I might have to get along with Klingons but they really were portrayed as more like me than not. Then came the Cardassians. And the best story.

Amateur anthropologist Picard is always looking for the real truth to human origin still?? and he follows all the clues to this planet and he is followed by five other species all seeking the answer to the same question--where did we come from and how did we evolve? The answer is we were seeded by the ancients as their final act before giving up their bodies. The DNA was seeded humanoid and therefore all the species gathered in front of this hologram are told they come from the same DNA and they are all insulted and immediately resort to denial. The hologram was a trick etc. Sounds like the humanoid races to me forever. LOL

And to me, it sounds like what the general theory of our creation is in actuality too. Just they have more names (protoculture, provivera, mother race, progenitors, etc.).

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by Cilka (here)
IT's not the reptilians we should be afraid of. Our worst enemy has always been our own kind. The battle has only just started. To be honest with you if I had to choose between Cheney or Reptilian being for a friend, I would choose the Reptilian anytime over Cheney.

Sure, get the best of both world and make friends with the double fork-tongued reptilian who's cheney's possessor/controller.

Two for the price of one! what a deal!

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by UnrealDreams (here)
Sorry, I meant to explain that the reason the whole Earth shook when the 6.9 "earthquake" hit in the East China Sea is because it was a huge sonic beam, and not an earthquake. This is why I am following Tolec, because he has predicted the quake in advance, and a "normal" earthquake doesn't shake the Earth like this.

[...]

Check this thread and this post in it...

A normal earthquake does ripple across the entire Earth, except for a shadow zone, but does not really get the entire planet resonating like a bell.

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey I've got a question for anyone. What's the difference between TELEPATHY and ELECTRONIC TELEPATHY? Besides the obvious....
I'm thinking that if you didn't have telepathic abilities to begin with, electronic telepathy will give itself away by it's clarity. Wouldn't it be a dead giveaway when you hear all these clear voices in your head all of a sudden, telling you to do things that you normally wouldn't do? Whereas channelling has a "light touch" on the mind that may or may not be electronic harassment.... IDK....

[DreamsInDigital]

Channeling requires entering a trance like state, Telepathy doesn't. There's another difference between the two. I think with Electronic/Artificial/Machine Source Telepathy - Mind Control Type stuff, it's so mechanical and fake, empty feeling. There is no emotional substance with it, like there is with real Telepathy. Just my thoughts on it.

[OnyxKnight]

Actually the mechanical/artificial telepathy can tickle the person's mental potential to develop natural telepathic powers.

[UnrealDreams]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
@Unrealdreams,

Then they should still be going after Dulce (D6), that's the biggest Reptoid base on the planet. Though it might be someone else other than the Procyons that are handling that one..

@Markoid

As far as I understand it, the ET/EDs have been taking care of that site since the event happened, and from what I was told by someone else connected to The Andromeda Council (Not Tolec), is that they are in the process of deciding exactly what they want to do with it and how they can handle the situation without stepping on the free will of the people. But, also indicated that there had been involvement with Negatives from the Beginning, which is what is ultimately allowing TAC to get involved in handling the situation. There is technology already here on earth that can de-radiate the area and any other radioactive spot. Hitting the area with scalar waves will remove the radioactivity from the site within minutes.

@ All,
When you guys have the time/opportunity, I highly suggest checking out the latest Tolec interview (4-28-12). He covers quite extensively on the Reptoids/Reptilians. One of the most detailed and accurate so far, he talks about their motives, what their plans were for the whole galaxy etc. Way more details than I can remember at the moment, to early in the morning. But, definitely worth checking out for anyone that wants to know and get inside the real Reptoid agenda.

I will check that interview(4-28-2012) out today. I have listened to every interview I could find on him. Lisa Harrison asked about Pine Gap in this interview:
Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PYtK6gtrCs&lr=1
Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnznU...feature=relmfu

The info on Pine Gap is in interview #2 at the 2:45 mark. I am unfamiliar with the other base you referenced (D6).
Hope this helps.
With love,
Jeff

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Hey I've got a question for anyone. What's the difference between TELEPATHY and ELECTRONIC TELEPATHY? Besides the obvious....
I'm thinking that if you didn't have telepathic abilities to begin with, electronic telepathy will give itself away by it's clarity. Wouldn't it be a dead giveaway when you hear all these clear voices in your head all of a sudden, telling you to do things that you normally wouldn't do? Whereas channelling has a "light touch" on the mind that may or may not be electronic harassment.... IDK....

Here is something which may help you clarify these subjects: http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/e_telepa.htm

With actual telepathy between two individuals, each would recognize the other's vibrational signature and therefore eliminate anything else from the communication.

The above gives ground to Alex Collier having actual telepathic communication with the individual he has physically met.

Tolec, I am not so sure.

[Bill Ryan]

-------

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
Gawd, donj't know what to make of this, the guy sounds sincere, but the info is so bloody 'out there' it beggars belief

what do you guys reckon..any credence in this stuff?

No.

[Maia Gabrial]

Channeling requires entering a trance like state, Telepathy doesn't. There's another difference between the two. I think with Electronic/Artificial/Machine Source Telepathy - Mind Control Type stuff, it's so mechanical and fake, empty feeling. There is no emotional substance with it, like there is with real Telepathy. Just my thoughts on it.

I figured that's what the difference was, DID.
So, the only thing that Electronic harassment has going for it is using nasty threats and comments; and then counting on the person's fear to do the rest?

Here is something which may help you clarify these subjects: http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/e_telepa.htm

With actual telepathy between two individuals, each would recognize the other's vibrational signature and therefore eliminate anything else from the communication.

Yeah, that makes alot of sense, AmerZo! So, they could easily recognize an outsider....

[DreamsInDigital]

@ UnrealDreams,

Thanks, D6 is Dulce, it's the military designation for the base.

@ Amzer Zo,

Thank you for the link and I totally agree. I haven't met / communicated with Alex, but I have become friends with someone else that communicates with Moraney. So, I personally have been provided enough substantial evidence from my friend and my own research of Alex and his lectures, etc, that I for myself believe that Alex is an actual Telepath, as well.

As for Tolec, I'm somewhat? On the fence myself. Some things don't add up, but other stuff does. So I prefer to remain open minded and Neutral there.

@ Maia,

Considering how vulnerable most people are to those influences, that makes sense, but then also most of the stuff that's channeled, probably about 90-96% comes from AI/Machine/Electronic Intelligences, and with those they bury a nasty little seed within all that "fluff." Along with a huge heap of mind control frequencies. I would think all things considered with the Electronic stuff, most likely they are using frequencies that influence / increase fear response. It'd be fascinating to say the least to read some of the psychological studies done on people post Government Electronic Telepathy influences. And, also do neurological studies on those, and then the ones that receive "messages" from the Regressive Reptoid AI Ship.

[GoodeTXSG]

I am beginning to listen to the Tolec 4/28 interview now.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHhSEJ59XLA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHhSEJ59XLA

[GoodeTXSG]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
-------

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
Gawd, donj't know what to make of this, the guy sounds sincere, but the info is so bloody 'out there' it beggars belief

what do you guys reckon..any credence in this stuff?

No.

Agreed. Entertaining though.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I would say we are due a HUGE celebration once we are free AND know it...!!!

I really hope that day comes. That day when we know what has happened and really, truly know our standing. I hope it's not one of those "things will change and most people won't notice" deals... that'd not be a victory imo.

[Paul]

For the reasons mentioned above, I can imagine (though I have no actual experience) that telepathy is a richer, more compelling and reliable connection than channeling -- for the recipient, the one directly involved, the one initially receiving the information.

But if that person does not relate some of that richness to the others to whom they are passing the received information, then for those others, there is less difference. In either case, someone is relating alledged information, purportedly recevied from an inaccessible and essentially unknown third party, by means scantily described, that is supposed to be accepted based on the credibility of that third party.

In such cases, only those listeners who find that stream of information to be particularly reliable, or who already have a high level of trust in the one relating it, are likely to build confidence in that information and in what more information might come that way. This can even result in creating yet another divide amongst those who are exposed to this stream of information. People can end up debating whether the source (the original recipient) is reliable, based on whether they agree with most of that information, not noticing that perhaps they have insufficient evidence either way to evaluate the source, but can only reasonably evalate what is told. People can end up debating secondary issues, such as telepathy versus channeling, which don't shed much light on the question of the information reliability.

In other words, if someone whom I don't already have good reason to trust substantially tells me something they got from someone else, but chooses (their free will choice) not to tell me all that much interesting detail of either how they came to learn this or who they learned it from, then it matters little to me (though it may matter to them) whether they label the means of reception channeling, telepathy, or a ouija board. All I can really judge is the "information" itself.

As an individual, it is my responsibility to wade through what information is available, to find what I think is useful for me.

But as a forum admin, it is also my responsibility to do what I can to improve the quality of the forum. Flooding the forum with a variety of "interesting" but often dubious, conflicting or distracting "information" weakens the value of that forum. Too much noise harms our efforts to identify and focus on the important stuff, whatever that is. This does not serve us well. Unfortunately, we do not collectively know and agree on what is the important stuff. So we cannot filter based on the content of what is said, except in the most obvious cases. This leaves us considering various indirect and only partially affective ways of filtering based on the manner in which the information is told or conveyed.

[frozen alchemy]

Posted by UnrealDreams (here)
I have noticed and paid attention to Tolec ever since he predicted the two earthquakes to Alfred Weber days in advance.

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...destroyed.html

Excerpts from that article:
On Nov. 2, 2011, six days prior to the Nov. 8, 2011 6.9 East China quake, Tolec sent this reporter an email in which he set out the reported location of the reptilian base as being in the East China Sea and attached a map that pinpointed the location of the reptilian base.

And this:
One knowledgeable observer stated, “Whatever happened on the afternoon of Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 (Aust EST) was big. It put a massive energy pulse through the entire crust of the planet. Every continent “shook” – scroll through the attached PDF from the USGS Live server on Tuesday afternoon.

“The timing coincides roughly with the earthquake off Taiwan yesterday [Nov. 8, 2011] – 6.9 quake north east of Taiwan. Whether it was caused by the actions of the Andromeda Council or was a totally natural event, it was a significant energy dump that affected the whole planet. The USGS Live Internet Seismic Server shows raw live data from all over the world on one page with updates every thirty minutes. If you drop into this server regularly you see glitches that affect large areas quite regularly but it is rare to see the whole planet “pinged” like this.

Errr, Tolec didn't 'pinpoint' the exact location of the Reptilian base, nor the EQ; he described it on a relatively tiny map as between the 'e' and the 'a' in 'East' as in 'East China Sea'. The only precise location I can find is the USGS posting of the location of the EQ, which later on if we keep reading, was apparently 200 miles from the location Tolec had pointed to. He explains this as his fault for not verifying with the Andromedan Command the actual extent of the Reptilian base..

And the 'knowledgeable observer' is not named; seems like it should be easy enough, and not risking any lives or reputations, to quote the actual person's name who said that the entire planet was ringing afterwards and that this is unusual. Is it unusual? I heard that same quote after the Boxing Day Indonesian EQ and tsunami. Maybe undersea quakes do that more so than land-based ones...

'Predicting' a quake-massive attack in the area of the ring of fire and then jumping on one a week later and saying 'that was our friends the Andromedans wiping out a Rep base!' is odd even if it happened that way. It's giving the enemy a heads-up, isn't it? They might be privy to Al Webre's email, after all.

And yeah, Tolec promised an orb 'off the coast' a few days after all this happened to prove somehow, someway, that this was all for real. There hasn't even been a Youtube post that I know of, of someone's daytime photo of Venus, claiming they saw an orb... or something. Why are all the proofs so vague and mystical sounding? Why are we being asked to believe that Tolec is in contact, and has been in contact with, life forms from another planet? Why don't these people ever get their picture taken, or DNA evidence proffered, or maybe a tour of their facilities would be nifty. Why do they pick certain people to communicate with, and not others? What's keeping them from telepathically talking to everyone, not just a select few? Are they not aware that often, the contactee coming forward results in less than optimal results, both in believability and the contactee's life here on Earth? Why are Tolec's friends offering seminars and selling stuff? (links off of the Andromedan Council website). Why did Alex Collier rather pointedly say to Tolec, 'we should get together and compare notes'? My take on that very short and abbreviated (cut off?) interaction was that Alex thought Tolec was scamming or lying about his information (rather funny all around when you think about it...). What does Tolec expect when he comes forward with this stuff? After all, it's just more hopey-changey. You would think if it was all that earthshakeningly real (sorry for the pun) that even the MSM would be covering it. But, there's really nothing to cover as far as we know, is there? An EQ in a part of the world where they are common. No offshore orb light that I know of.

[meat suit]

you are asking good questions here frozen A.

my best guess is that it is so early in the game that there is just chaos. there are a couple of dozen contact gurus and a few thousand observers trying to work out who makes most sense...