Curious Case of Criminal Last Names

[marlowe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec
The Aztecs/Mexicas migrated from the north & eventually settled on a small SWAMPY island in Lake Texcoco in 1325...this island was their base for over 100 years until 1428 when they became the dominant power in central Mexico.
I read a book that I can no longer locate that said the Aztecs subsisted by eating ,fish,reptiles & pond scum while living on the island.

The Aztecs instituted the idea of continual,ongoing warfare & human sacrifice on a grand scale to keep the Sun moving across the sky.

sorry,,,double post....

[marlowe]

Posted by deridan (here)
who doesn't come from the swamp , valley , forest , or bush? yeah, those from the plateau, those are real people !, and those who choose surnames meaning other things, those guys are real lucky... huh

Most people did not choose their last names.....they were given last names by tax collectors....there are several basic types of last names.
{1} vocation >>Butcher,baker,candle maker.
{2} Location >>Dweller on ahill top,dweller in a swamp,etc.
{3} appearence..Red head,swarthy complection,crippled.
{4} descendant of a certain person.
{5} circumstances of birth..Born on a Sunday,born with a cowel,etc.

[marlowe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joran_van_der_Sloot

Joran van der Sloot is considered the most likely killer of Natalee Holaway...he is currently in prison in Peru for murdering another woman.
van der Sloot :dweller near a reedy ditch or quagmire.

[Kelly]

Lol, i work in Speke, its not so much brushwood now, as it is mostly bricks and concrete, but there is an estuary that runs through there, and yes, its mostly brushy there, and would have been all over years ago!
So does this mean, that people who's names coincide with these types of places, have it somehow in their make up to be nasty?
I dunno, im still out on that one, but, its something to think about

[marlowe]

Posted by Kelly (here)
Lol, i work in Speke, its not so much brushwood now, as it is mostly bricks and concrete, but there is an estuary that runs through there, and yes, its mostly brushy there, and would have been all over years ago!
So does this mean, that people who's names coincide with these types of places, have it somehow in their make up to be nasty?
I dunno, im still out on that one, but, its something to think about

throwback :a reversion to an earlier ancestral type or character<atavism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Speck
Take a look at the photo of Richard Speck....In my opinion he is a genetic throwback to his more primative Neanderthal ancestors....
Note:in the following post I will refer to Neanderthal/Cromagnon hybrids as Neanderthals...

Ages ago the Cromagnons drove the Neanderthals into the swamps,forests,& wastelands and took all the prime real estate for themselves....All people who wouldn't behave were exciled to the badlands as well, where they lived a dog eat dog existance..At times becoming preditors in order to survive.If you were an outlander you lived "Beyond the PALE."Towns were gated,,,locked up at night and watchman were hired to keep a lookout for thieves trying to climb the walls. ...the Neanderthals were given location names around 1000 AD .

********************Time Passes*************************
Around 1345 the Black Plague kills off 1/3 or the population of Europe.Farm labor is scarce & the Neanderthals step up in the world and become serfs.
*********************more time passes************************
When the Industrial Revolution starts up around 1790 some of the Neanderthals move to the cities where they have access to gin,beer,whiskey,prostitution,gambling & crime.Some of the Neanderthals return to their old preditory ways and become criminals,loan sharks,gamblers,and eventually bankers,lawyers,and politicians....And their last names have followed them .............................
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[marlowe]

Atavism:the reappearance in an individual of characteristics of some remote ancestor that has been absent in the intervening years.

When a tame dog like a pit bull suddenly goes wild and attacks a person,usually a child,biologists call this reversion...

[marlowe]

5 US soldiers will be prosecuted of killing Afgan & Iraqi civilians {for sport}
{1} andrew Holmes>dweller on an island in a stream.
{2} jeremy Morlock>dweller on a moor by a lake.
In his scifi novel The Time Machine H.G.Wells called the people who lived underground the Morlocks...the Morlocks hunted & fed on the Elee,who lived above ground.
{3} adam Winfield>meadow,pasture
{4} Wagnon means farmer.
{5} Gibbs is definatly not a "swamp" name...it means a pet form of Gilbert,{bright,pledge}
OK....>>> ,,,Holmes & Morlock are certainly "swamp" names...the others are debatable.

[marlowe]

I don't know if the following is true or not,but it was told to me by an old woman who was an astrologer....
In Germany a long time ago the big land owners kept the male & female serfs seperated until March...At this time they were allowed to mate which usually meant the children were born in December....because Sagitarians make the best soldiers....and Sagitarous is considered the most "normal" of all the signs....less mental illness..less depression...good tempered...etc.
OK..So is this the reason the Germans are so hard working ???
Generations of Sagitarians creating a national character?? I don't know,but I think it's possible.
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There is some evidence that the worst time to concieve is July...Airies are the most likely sign to be in drug rehab....

[meat suit]

Posted by marlowe (here)

Posted by meat suit (here)
Kissing doesnt mean swamp in german... not sure if its swampy down there either....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissing,_Bavaria
oh look, below is a link to ****ing in Austria....

whats with the auto censoring??? MODs !!! .....

On page 276 of New Dictionary of American Family Names it says "Kissinger,Kissing {Ger}One who came from Kissing{swamp} in Germany.

Your link says nothing about what Kissing means..It only gives info about a municipality in Bavaria which in the distant past had a hill that was swept away by the flooding of the river Lech. Not exactly a high & dry place by the looks of it....Have you ever been to Bavaria?

Kissing is a place. there is no word 'Kissing' as such in german. I am from Germany.... the swamp rev. from your source is a mystery.....

[Alex Laker]

Oh dear... my surname bears reference to a place with water, although it doesn't go very far back in my family, so it's not in my genes so to speak

Not sure about this though... as you say yourself, many surnames are derived from the environments people live in, which would usually be near water for sustainance, Also there are unfortunately a significant number of murderers, so I think we're bound to see a noticeable overlap. If many people have surnames relating to their habitats, then so will an equal proportion of murderers, which will seem equally as many as in the general population when looking solely at murderers.

Lots of interesting info in here though

[Cilka]

Oh man! I really want to know the meaning of my last name. I know it has not served me well lately, as in 30 years, I am actually thinking of changing my last name, but it would be good to know what my chances are in becoming a criminal. I was thinking about it once, but the problem is that I am afraid of being caught, and I don't have friends in high places.

[Cilka]

Oh, I just found out what my last name means. It means 'FIDLER'. So, I am safe after all. I cannot kill you now, but I will play for you some nice music on a fiddle.

[marlowe]

Posted by meat suit (here)

Posted by marlowe (here)

Posted by meat suit (here)
Kissing doesnt mean swamp in german... not sure if its swampy down there either....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissing,_Bavaria
oh look, below is a link to ****ing in Austria....

whats with the auto censoring??? MODs !!! .....

On page 276 of New Dictionary of American Family Names it says "Kissinger,Kissing {Ger}One who came from Kissing{swamp} in Germany.

Your link says nothing about what Kissing means..It only gives info about a municipality in Bavaria which in the distant past had a hill that was swept away by the flooding of the river Lech. Not exactly a high & dry place by the looks of it....Have you ever been to Bavaria?

Kissing is a place. there is no word 'Kissing' as such in german. I am from Germany.... the swamp rev. from your source is a mystery.....

Kissner/Kisner [German]:On who made cushions & pillows.
Kisseloff [Russian]..One who made & sold puddings.
Kiesiel [Polish] One who prepared gruel with leaven.

@ meat suit...Some place names are lost in the mist of time...Perhaps that is the case with Kissing in Bavaria....
The ground in swamps is wet & soft......puddings are wet & soft.......Pillows are soft..........Gruel is wet.......

The best kisses from my girlfriends were always wet & soft......

What do you think?

[marlowe]

When I first started looking into this last name business I noticed that many of the gunfighters of the old west had last names that originated in the West Riding
of Yorkshire,which was the site of many battles between the King's armies & the Scots....The losers of one of these great battles were deported to the American colonies....Jesse James' middle name is Woodson,which originated in the West Riding of Yorkshire.
From the book Jesse James' Secret by Ron Pastore >pages 258-260 is a list of members of the James/Younger gang over the years that the gang lasted.I willl list those members with "swamp" names beow.

Note:in the following list are cousins & brothers with the same last name so I will put a number next to those names.

Reed 2
Ford 2
Poole 2
Wymore
Blackmore
Latch
Burns
Hulsey
Coburn
Pitts
{it is estimated that the James Gang stole $1,202,800 over the carreer of the gang.}

[marlowe]

Slaughter:[English} Dweller at ,or near,a slough,or muddy place.also a butcher,one who killed animals...

Messer{English/German} one who made & sold knives.
Messersmith: a smith who made knives.
Metz/Metzer.{German} one who came from Metz[swamp]in Lorraine
Metzger/Metzler[German]One who sold or handled meat ,a butcher.

Mess:to make a mess
Mess around:to involve oneself for reprehensible reasons [to mess around with gamblers.
Mess up:to treat roughly/to beat up.

[marlowe]

If you google Curious Case of Criminal Last Names you will get over 10 hits because I have started threads on different forums over the last 20 months....I started the original thread about 2 & 1/2 years ago on the David Icke forum & it has now gone over 33 thousand views.....
I was hoping some writer would spot it and weave it into a murder mystery and give the idea a wider audience.....but it looks like the Sun will go ballistic in December ,2012 and fry everything on the surface of the planet...That's what the evidence is adding up to in my opinion......Oh well,,at least I got the idea out to some people...I had to be dragged kicking & screaming to the internet 3 years ago....and now I really enjoy the web......Don't know why it took me so long .....

[Gajanana]

anders breivik? just curious...

[TargeT]

my last name was the German title of a reeve or advocate, an overlord (mostly of nobility) exerting guardianship or military protection as well as secular justice (Blutgericht) over a certain territory....

so a vocation, vocations are safe right? (haha)

[marlowe]

Posted by Gajanana (here)
anders breivik? just curious...

Breivik is not listed......
Vik {Norweigen} One who lived by a bay;one who worked,or lived on a farm so named.
Brehm{German} a restless man,a gadfly.
Breier {english} Dweller in the briar bushes....<<< but it's English.
Breit[German} dweller in a wide or broad place.

I don't understand the part that says "so named"...but he definatly is from farmers ancestry IMO...
Does it mean the farm was near a bay?...Or was the farm called Vik????....I don't know the answer ..????

[marlowe]

Names in the Newspapers/For what it's worth

David Chaney is the first secret service agent to lose his job over the Columbian prostitution scandle granted he is not a murderer...
Chaney ,{as already noted in the first post} means One who came from Chaney[oak grove} in France.

Zimmerman: {German} a woodcutter or carpenter.