Abduction by Reptilian

**wynderer** · 16th May 2012 09:23

from Eve Lorgen again -- highlited bold type describes most of the threads here

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The current trend of whistleblowers concerning the milab issue, relate that black op factions of the military abduct and interrogate the experiencer/contactee. (1,2abc,13) Much blame is cast upon the “military/shadow government”, while alluding to the perception that the grey aliens, and other ET’s are the good guys. For example, a quote from Niara Isley in the UFO digest article published in 2008, regarding her military abductions stated,

“Robert Dean who has often spoken and given his testimony of what he knows says, if these extraterrestrials were bent on destroying us and taking over our planet, they could have done so long ago with the incredibly advanced technology they possess.”(13)

My question is, “Did anyone ever consider the superior mind control capabilities of the aliens, so that an overt takeover of humanity is unnecessary?” All they have to do is distract us with other issues such as environmentalism, endless political arguments, constant relationship manipulations, religiosity, or compulsions to blame each other or our military industrial complex’s dark agenda as the enemy. Even though these are valid concerns, it doesn’t make sense, at least in cases where aliens are observed in collusion with the shadow government abductors. It has been my educated guess (via consults with milabs and independent studies) that the military industrial complex is heavily influenced, if not taken over, by the malevolent alien factions such as the Draco’s, reptilians and some greys, as well as the Illuminati bloodline families. Furthermore, there is ample evidence quoted from ancient archeology and history experts like Michael Cremo, Richard Dolan, Graham Hancock and Michael Tsarion that our ancient star gods were the same reptilians (i.e., Anunnaki) who have corrupted and manipulated Earths religions for thousands of years. They created the secret societies! Out of the frying pan and into the fire?

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...-box/#more-527

**wynderer** · 16th May 2012 09:43

more from Eve on helping y'all to deal w/'fear porn' [i.e., "This makes me feel scared so it can't be true' ]

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One thing I am certain; wisdom and true insight cannot arise without the authentic presence of compassion. Enlightenment cannot occur if we sweep all the “negatives” under the carpet and pretend they don’t exist. Does this sound familiar to anybody out there who is keeping up with the Disclosure Movement? The whole truth is not likely to be disclosed by the government or other groups until an environment of safety and compassion is set. This is our job. Are we going to continue to be gatekeepers, or are we going to encourage and support one another in compassion so that the truth—whatever it is–can flourish?

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...-box/#more-527

**delfine** · 16th May 2012 09:49

Hi wynderer
are you familiar with the work of Dolores Cannon? She claims that the ET´s almost uniformly are positive. As do Stephen Greer. What is you take on this? Are they consciously misleading people or are they being used by the ET´s?

**wynderer** · 16th May 2012 10:20

from Eve Lorgen again -- one of the milab abductees she's worked with -- the lady speaks for me...

her experience that they want amnesty --about 4-5 yrs ago, i became aware of a presence in my home -- looked around & saw /'my' Reptilian , in full battle dress -- i picked up that things weren't going so well for their side -- once again, he wanted me to join them -- i took this as a version of the Greys' , 'Help us! we're a dying race!' & wrote it off

but here's someone else saying the same thing

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All I have ever wanted is to serve The Most High in peace and love…this is my true nature and I will die a million deaths before I surrender it. I wish to bring peace between the human species and the serpent people. I feel that although there is a very bad bunch feeding on us at this time on Earth, they are themselves victims of a ‘higher’ force of malignancy. These beings are now making themselves known to those with psychic sight. They are called “The Shadows”. It is they that are the true and lasting enemies of humanity and all life on Earth and the other planets of our galaxy.

I think The Shadows created some the Serpent People as a vehicle for their consciousness and a medium through which to manifest their insane demonic/archontic (29) group mind. One could say, therefore, that the so-called Reptilians that are messing things up on this planet are themselves possessed.

The Shadows are the fallen ones that were imprisoned here in the far distant past. Our mother Earth is their prison cell and they have no love of her as we do. They fear the mind of Gaia as they fear the awakened human mind.

They are parasites in a cosmic and spiritual sense–soul eaters–for want of a better term.

Believe it or not, the reptilian/human Illuminists have asked for an amnesty. Don’t ask me why they’re asking me because I don’t know. They said that ‘The Great Shift’ can come smoothly (in a social sense) or roughly and implied that if they were granted an out of some kind they would ensure the change of power would happen with minimal disruption. I didn’t get the full details because I told them to piss off.

What I’m saying here; is they know that they’ve lost and they’re in damage control mode.

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...-box/#more-527

**wynderer** · 16th May 2012 10:27

a little bump for this

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G-kTehJ3jL8

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**wynderer** · 16th May 2012 12:23

from Eve Lorgen's website , a woman milab w/whom Eve talked --

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The following is a disclaimer by Lilu so that the readers will not quickly jump to conclusions or accusations in any way:

“I am aware that these reptilians and human controllers often lie to the milabs they are controlling. I do not necessarily believe what they say; in fact I am deeply suspicious of them and their motives. I am merely reporting what they tell me. These beings, their non-human vassals, the human reptilian hybrids, and human minions who work for them are completely evil (in my opinion) and must be resisted in every way. Evil in all its forms must be resisted.”

*Editors Note: Lilu passed away in April 2011 from cancer.

**wynderer** · 17th May 2012 10:42

Eve Lorgen, the interviewer of Maarit here -- some other info from these 2 women gave the title & start to Houman's Horus-Ra Archon thread, recently approved via thread post by your leader Bill Ryan

Humans here are just collateral damage in this war --except for those of you kept alive as a continuing food etc source -- the glass-domed cities of your future are likely because they learned you need some natual sun to live

hilited bit by me

Maarit:

'Reptiods are divided into interdimensional beings and some creatures that live under the surface of earth. These creatures live in caverns and have red eyes and dark brown skin. They eat meat too. Interdimensional Reptiods can shape shift and are predator-natured.

I have observed a conflict between the Draconians and some Reptiod party/faction. It’s about power. There was a military faction assisting–willingly or unwillingly—I’m not sure—and these specific Reptiod groups are trying to overcome the draconian leadership, because the Draconians are in charge of some nuclear military DUMBS too. If this Reptiod rebellion is proceeding I’m feeling worried because this would mean the total loss of control made by Dracionians. Reptiods would be allowed to mess around and even the shadow government would not be safe. If considering this as a chess game, the situation is not pleasant from the human point of view. But this is merely my speculation.

I saw the power struggle personally during an abduction. The draconian entity came to stop the Reptiods and prevented them from using me somehow. This has happened two times. So I guess I have something to offer to these Draconians and shadow government and that’s why they keep an eye on me.

The Reptiods have expressed very violent activities towards me and some other abductees I have seen on the UFO like beating, etc. I believe they are having a hard time trying to suppress their basic need to kill. And that’s why some abductees are reporting very disturbing violent abductions and treatment.

The degeneration of personality traits and grappling for power applies to other species as well. By this degeneration I mean the need to produce unnecessary suffering while enjoying it.'

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...ilab/#more-534

**wynderer** · 17th May 2012 10:48

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G-kTehJ3jL8

**wynderer** · 17th May 2012 10:52

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8i861KtE0

**wynderer** · 17th May 2012 11:07

just connected a dot for myself while watching below video -- the mass gatherings & the part of the control panel i saw on the Reptilian's ship -- am emissary of his Draconian lord, hence his courtesy to me

that part on the control panel that i instantly knew was used to mind control &/or kill large groups of Humans --easier targets for remote weapons if all in one place

perhaps the below attitude is a better one for all Humans to have right now