Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Thanks Grip, I can understand what you describe here, but does Neil Keenan et al know these things too? So neither Neil Keenan, Keith Scott nor Mr Shrout all lawyers don't know what seems easy for you , a layman, to know? This is very strange.

Stan

I pretty much agree with gripreaper's assessment of your response to him, aranuk .

Thanks gripreaper for your many and perceptive comments on this thread.

[SKAWF]

Posted by Paul (here)
"just sayin" ... trying to deny any awareness of the sting in your words just prior?

Please avoid put downs of other members that appear to have little purpose other than to be provocative.

i think the point i made was a valid one.
its not an attack on anyone

there is nothing in it which is untrue
and i stand by it.

i notice how quickly i get jumped on by admin

but no one said anything when this thread descended into ridicule a week or so ago.


why not answer the substance of the point i made,
instead of trying to make it out to be a personal attack on someone.?

i'm attacking no one.

PS, i am going to remove the 'just sayin' part of my post,
and i am going to replace it with my name.
that way it wont look like i'm trying to avoid the context of my own words.

[SilentFeathers]

Hey Grip, referring back to my last couple of recent posts, I was "just saying too"

As the Borg say, "resistance is futile".

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
i think the point i made was a valid one.
its not an attack on anyone

there is nothing in it which is untrue
and i stand by it.

i notice how quickly i get jumped on by admin

but no one said anything when this thread descended into ridicule a week or so ago.

I suggest you try going back and noticing the hostility in your last few posts, rather than continuing like this.

We are each responsible for moderating our own actions, even if, in our view the external enforcement is unfair or imperfect (which sometimes it may be ... not saying either way in this case ... but forum moderation is an imperfect substitute for self moderation.)

[SKAWF]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by SKAWF (here)
i think the point i made was a valid one.
its not an attack on anyone

there is nothing in it which is untrue
and i stand by it.

i notice how quickly i get jumped on by admin

but no one said anything when this thread descended into ridicule a week or so ago.

I deleted one post of yours, a couple posts back.

I suggest you try going back and noticing the hostility in your last few posts, rather than continuing like this.

We are each responsible for moderating our own actions, even if, in our view the external enforcement is unfair or imperfect (which sometimes it may be ... not saying either way in this case ... but forum moderation is an imperfect substitute for self moderation.)

paul i'm sat here as calm as a cucumber.
there's no hostility at all.
you're trying to project it onto me so you can moderate me.
i would ask you not to do that.

please.

ps, in my other post, i mentioned gripreaper, unified serenity, and 9eagle9....
i never quoted gripreaper
and it may be unfortunate placing that mine ended up after grips.

i didnt single anyone out, nor was it directed at any one member

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
ps, in my other post, i mentioned gripreaper, unified serenity, and 9eagle9....
i never quoted gripreaper
and it may be unfortunate placing that mine ended up after grips.

i didnt single anyone out, nor was it directed at anyone member

Are you telling me that the following words of yours were -not- addressed to gripreaper:

and this is the nub of the point i'm making

you wont go to the source of the 'problem'
even when the door is wide open for you...

but you'll happily spend hours upon hours picking off easy targets
in a way that serves no real useful purpose whatsoever.

They sure looked that way to me (and apparently to gripreaper, from his response.)

[SilentFeathers]

Paul, I think you need to copy and paste these last few posts and email them to Drake and let him sort this out.....he seems to be an expert at pretty much everything else and I'm sure he would know exactly what is the root cause of this....and could advise a "solution".

[SKAWF]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by SKAWF (here)
ps, in my other post, i mentioned gripreaper, unified serenity, and 9eagle9....
i never quoted gripreaper
and it may be unfortunate placing that mine ended up after grips.

i didnt single anyone out, nor was it directed at anyone member

Are you telling me that the following words of yours were -not- addressed to gripreaper:

and this is the nub of the point i'm making

you wont go to the source of the 'problem'
even when the door is wide open for you...

but you'll happily spend hours upon hours picking off easy targets
in a way that serves no real useful purpose whatsoever.

They sure looked that way to me (and apparently to gripreaper, from his response.)

those words were directed towards gripreaper, unified serenity, and 9eagle9.

two of those i have a lot of respect for.

and the other one, well, i have no problem with.

but i would ask you to look at the post again

it was a point about where all those energies are directed.
mainly at those who are in the same boat as them.

if only they have directed some of that at drake himself

instead of at people like stan, avocades, and all the others who stopped posting, and went elsewhere!

we are lucky that they came back.

and anything i said tonight was very mild in comparison to some of the things said by the nay sayers in this thread.

[Fred Steeves]

Drama 202 is up one stair, down the hall, and to the right. Don't be distracted by that light at the end.

[ThePythonicCow]

... where's the shaking my head as I walk out the door I came in emoticon ?

[aranuk]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
does Neil Keenan et al know these things too? So neither Neil Keenan, Keith Scott nor Mr Shrout, all lawyers, don't know what seems easy for you , a layman, to know? This is very strange.

Stan

That is a totally unfair assessment Stan, to polarize and respond passive aggressively to my previous post. Did you even read it?.

Just LOOK AT THE FACTS Stan. Neil Keenan filed a lawsuit in New Youk, which was rescinded. If Keenan was so smart, why did he screw up so bad on his lawsuit????? LISTEN to the Winston Shrout audio's, and UNDERSTAND that he has been in the patriot movement for 30 years, and LOOK AT what success his followers have had using the Administrative process???????

LOOK at the TRUE HISTORICAL FACTS Stan.

And don't even get me started on Lawyers. Do you know the statistics on them? 95% OF ALL CASES done by lawyers go against the common man and towards the banksters, while 85% go against "pro se" litigants! There is a better track record of those who go it without a friggin lawyer!

So next time Stan, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE before you shoot your mouth off and say something totally passive aggressive and WITHOUT ANY BASIS WHATSOEVER.

Grip I appologise to you Sir. You seem to be taking me wrong here. I will try to put it another way: Why do you think that these people with so much money as in Trillions of $ would employ lawyers to file a suit that has no friggin' chance of success? They must have had some business acumen to accrue so much wealth in the first place. OK I know they might be the recipients of this huge legacy and they could be a wee bit soft in the brain somehow, but you would think that someone who did know about law in their own countries would be able to recommend some firm of lawyers who had a great reputation world wide to do their bidding for them. That is all I am trying to say, I am NOT being passive aggressive as you say at all. I have a huge amount of respect for you Grip as I have openly mentioned here in this thread a few times before. I know absolutely almost nothing about law as I have also said in this thread. David Wilcock seems to believe in the Neil Keenan suit as well as Drake. I am absolutely sure DW knows more about law than I do too.

I do appreciate what you say above "95% OF ALL CASES done by lawyers go against the common man and towards the banksters, while 85% go against "pro se" litigants! There is a better track record of those who go it without a friggin lawyer!" I can believe that!

I like Drake. He speaks about lots of topics we discuss here at Avalon. In my opinion his two weak points are this Neil Keenan thing, which BTW you explained a few times, and his so called military/Pentagon insiders. He has glossed over quickly the insiders I think a couple of times but he didn't quite explain properly what the hell went on or what went wrong there. He now says he has got really good guys now on the inside. I will believe that when and if it becomes obvious. What I meant in my post the other night was that I would love you to call him and put the question to him about the fallacy of all the keenan stuff. But as you say you would have liked to have done that a few months ago but now you wouldn't be able to get near him with such an awkward question these days.

Again Grip, I am sorry if I offended you. As Tom Paxton said in his great song That would be the last thing on my mind.

Stan

[SKAWF]

Posted by Paul (here)
... where's the shaking my head as I walk out the door I came in emoticon ?

its right next to the 'oh ffs lets not do this again!' emoticon!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
its right next to the 'oh ffs lets not do this again!' emoticon!

If by "this" you mean this entire Drake episode, then you got my vote

[SKAWF]

the greatest wisdom comes from the depths of the deepest despair

[modwiz]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Drama 202 is up one stair, down the hall, and to the right. Don't be distracted by that light at the end.

Oh, that is right next to the proctologists office. It's like one stop shopping.

[TargeT]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Why do you think that these people with so much money as in Trillions of $ would employ lawyers to file a suit that has no friggin' chance of success? They must have had some business acumen to accrue so much wealth in the first place. OK I know they might be the recipients of this huge legacy and they could be a wee bit soft in the brain somehow, but you would think that someone who did know about law in their own countries would be able to recommend some firm of lawyers who had a great reputation world wide to do their bidding for them. an

I'd say your question is also your answer... clearly this would NOT be the case, any type of litigation involving that much money would have an entire law firm behind it, not a couple of (apparent) hacks....

I'd say this is just another nail in the coffin of the "drake drama" .. Though I've really quit paying attention to count them all, but its gotta be pretty tightly sealed by now eh?

[9eagle9]

Drake would have no power at all if not for those who give him power seeing as he has none on his own (or money for that matter--he has to ask for that too). It's our responsibility to take down the bull**** our leaders have been pushing at us.

Our politicians, etc. Its up to us to bring them down by not buying or spreading what they peddle.

The same for those who are the ones giving power to our tin pot, dis-empowered, 'leaders'.

He'd be nothing without an audience, just another clamoring moo in the herd.

Sure I'd call him, to have a resounding click put into my ear. Do I expect any different reaction than his adherents? "I don't want to hear this!!!"

I was born in the morning but it wasn't this morning.

But you know what I don't substantiate what I say, I'm not on talk radio making bizarre claims, and one failed prediction after another. Drake can come here. If he can manage the Pentagon I'm sure he can hold his own with a few internet forumers.

Posted by SKAWF (here)
its not that bad an idea really.....

if say gripreaper, unified serenity and 9eagle9 call into the show and actually say to the bloke,
even 10% of what they've written in this thread.

if there are 40,000 gullible people who listen to the show,
then maybe cold reasoning will 'break the spell' so to speak.

it may also put drake in a position where he has nothing to say,
or it may show everyone that this whole thing is going nowhere.

that could end all this.

problem solved?

certainly drake would be a much more appropriate target than the few in this thread,
and elsewhere who have shown support for him.

i think to spend so much time and energy in this thread, debunking the message
on the off chance that there might be someone who will read it,
and that you're showing them that the ploy isnt working.....

is not the most substantive justification for the hours it must have taken you to write
all those long posts.

in fact, and if anything,
(metaphorically speaking)

it is performing an act of topiary...

on something that should be pulled up by the roots and thrown away.

no offense to stan, but he is an easy target.
the 'radio shows' present you with an opportunity to go the the source.......

and this is the nub of the point i'm making

you wont go to the source of the 'problem'
even when the door is wide open for you...

but you'll happily spend hours upon hours picking off easy targets
in a way that serves no real useful purpose whatsoever.


steve

[aranuk]

I just love all you guys and giggles, even Paul.

Stan

[Unified Serenity]

Drake, like DW won't allow for any "negative" posts to come his way. Drake may even have his supporters editing / screening his emails so he does not have to pollute his vision with such energy or information from those who see things differently. You see, it's quite obvious when none of the points made time and again by the likes of me, 9E9, grip and others are ever addressed. No, the points made are ignored and we just get called names and questioned as to our character and who we work for, it's really quite predictable at this point. So, if people want to trust someone like Drake who has repeatedly lied to them, made one false promise after another, then that is their right, but to think that others who see through this attention seeking ego maniacal behavior are just going to shut up, well, why have a forum? It is interesting to note how often I and others like me have been right in our assessment about the latest and greatest guru. We called the Dr. Sal video a hoax and people just could not believe frank and dr. sal were the same guy. "Look at his hands", "Look at his head, it's bald not shaved", "Look at the mole", "His voice is Italian", "His eyes and nose do not match"..... do you not see that things were so obvious to some and not others?

I know we each evaluate things differently, but this Dr. Sal / Frank Vidal should be an eye opener for some of you to really ask yourselves, "Do I really want truth" or "Do I just want to validate my beliefs?" I try not to have sacred cows, but some things are more difficult to be dispassionate and scientific about, but if we are going to really work towards truth, maybe this is a wake up call for some to examine just how much they want to believe something more than they want to get to the truth. I am not addressing the issue of pole shift, but I am not going to sit and listen to someone who has repeatedly lied and begged for money, or cried and pretended their life was in danger or they are being harassed by helicopters when there is a heliport across the street from where they are filming. Once trust is broken, it's very hard to rebuild it.

As they say, "Fool me once..... "

How many times do you all have to be fooled before you begin to question these people?

[9eagle9]

"I'd rather be right than happy".