Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[gripreaper]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that

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My... gripreaper has been taken over by As'hiena Deanne...

How do I check for that? What if I have been taken over, how would I know?

[Avocadess]

People continue to speculate: Is all this Drake stuff for real? Wilcock? Cobra? Fulford? I have not been able to keep up with what all of these people have been saying as much as I would have liked to (and plan to finally get down to reading David Wilcock's latest blog today, though he wrote it over a week ago I think), so I am just going to speak here to what I KNOW:

I am VERY excited about how Drake has been mobilizing (so to speak) civilian militia across the country and probably inspiring it around the world -- for the good; and how he has talked to the American troops and also encouraged people to take stock of necessities that may be needed for several weeks as well as encouraged "community spirit."

On the other hand I am very pleased with the meditation that Cobra is encouraging (if not spearheading) for the People of the World to use our Power of Intention to free the world. That stuff is POWERFUL. This has been PROVEN -- and scientifically. It's not "wu-wu" fluff. IT WORKS.

There is a war on -- not only for our minds but for our emotions and spirit -- and it's a war pull to hold us down and beat us down further. Yet we have the power -- within us -- to break free from such oppressive non-material chains, and we can do that best TOGETHER. I don't know about you, but I believe in us...!!!

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that

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My... gripreaper has been taken over by As'hiena Deanne...

How do I check for that? What if I have been taken over, how would I know?

Well. considering this is your 888th post which, according to Steve Richards' maths would mean triple infinity stuck in repeat cycles through time... may be a Jesuit exorcist would do?

[peace]

Posted by foreverfan (here)
It's simple amazing how negative some people can be.
It certainly isn't difficult to discredit these people when they provide no proof. Still, if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Drake, would you out your sources? No.

We shall see... I'm not discrediting any of these people since it would be too easy. I'm just following a story. Some of you guys go our your way to discredit these people like it gives you some power or you feel this need to warn people. All I want to say is SO WHAT.

If it's BS and I've listed to a bunch of nonsense, big freaking deal. No worse than listening to MSNBC, CNN or FOX News. Still, these people are doing an incredible job of just WAKING PEOPLE UP and I have no doubt at great risk to their well fare.

The only thing I worry about is if they are work for the Cabal and are collecting all the names of the people in the resistance for the Cabal to shove in FEMA camps. Still, I don't get that feeling at all.

FF

i think the "so what?" for me is the fact that wilcock admitted to lying and covertly recording conversations with other whistleblowers.

doesn't seem like the kind of guy we should listen to.

no one is going anywhere, the fema thing is just something they are as a scare tactic because they know their entire story is a big lie.

[StarDust]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
I don't expect this post to change you or your opinion on anything, but I'd like to leave it here for you in case it might eventually be useful.
I really can't speak for more than myself but as I'm pretty sure I represent a type of person that has a lot more damage then the majority of the population I also serve as a sort of "worst case" example. So if you can solve the "Worst case scenario" everything else becomes much easier. But whether or not you even want to is your call. I just think hearing from a "worst case" might provide something of use to you. But yes, you're quite correct it's just my perspective.

Thank you for taking the time to offer a thoughtful response.

Microcosm of the macrocosm, it isn't just here but rather this is a representation of the general first-world population. Everyone to some extent has their psyche broken when they enter here, there's no way for it not to happen at some point considering the culture. But the most important part is that not everyone is self-aware of their brokenness. People often hide their wounds so well that they won't even realize they have them and will confuse what they are easily if the subject is not broached with a lot of care. Psychology, even though parts of it were perverted to serve a controlling agenda, can tell you an awful lot about how to do those sorts of things. I'm by no means anyone with more than the barest understanding of it, so I really can't tell you anything other than what I know I need to do, which is read up on it much more and work on my oral/written presentation of arguments.

I don't think you grasp the thrust of my example using Jesus. So I'm going to have to get a bit more complex. Let's start with a postulate I think the above seems to imply. That "The truth within ourselves is the only real thing." That's great, but how does that apply to the world? You're using the word I think in a way very very different from the majority of the population. This might be why you, I and others may be at odds with each other over this. When a lot of people (I know I did!) come into the first world, from a young age you're brought up to believe in the idea of truth as outside of yourself, your survival in every aspect of society literally depends on you believing in a truth outside of yourself. Truth is held outside of a person so that people can detect deception. Why? Because if the truth inside ourselves is all that matters then we'd still be under even more oppressive monarchies run by megalomaniacs. Psychopaths obviously believe fully in everything they say or do, their "truth" is the same as your "truth" and there is no way for you to say the truth inside is all that matters and not be hypocritical without acknowledging that the truth inside different people can be very different and even contradict everything you believe. This world is not uniform.

Then, I consider myself fortunate. In this regard, my not being part of the traditional incarnational cycle is a both a benefit (from my perspective in terms of processing truth) and a handicap (from the perspective of understanding "human baggage"). This is not my process and I was free of the chains that you describe by early adulthood. Since then, everything of significance that I've encountered has directed me to look inward for answers.

The outward perspective of others is largely just that, a perspective, and little more from where I stand. IMO, truth is in the eye of the beholder with some that are commonly held by agreement and the vast majority being only truth to the individual. I accept this myriad of perception as the primary purpose for experience. It is Source expressing itself in infinite ways.

This includes people who adopt the believe that "The truth outside ourselves is all that matters" because that is a concept that exists as a belief within someone else. Their "Truth inside" is that "only the truth outside matters." You can try to show them something new, but to get around thousands of years of cultural survival programming is no easy task. You can't just expect someone to take a jump off a cliff on blind-faith alone, this world has done its level best to breed that kind of impulse out of just about every human being. The only ones who are willing to do that sort of thing often get played by hucksters or other malcontents and so they become living examples to the rest of the population that belief is foolish. If you want to show them otherwise you need to show how your belief not only makes your life better emotionally but translates into the outside world. Beliefs that do not affect the outer world will never move someone who's truth within is that "Only the truth without matters" and because you are contradicting their beliefs they will definitely get upset over it because as sad as it is humans are possessive over words. Words can influence thought, and so cultures jockey for the ability to define or redefine words so that they can influence not just their adherents but the general human population as well. In many cases this isn't even for bad reasons, sometimes it's just to win acceptance or repair a tarnished past image. (Wiccans trying to take back the word Witch for instance.) But I digress, since their "Truth" is something that is incompatible with your "truth" and everyone's "truth" needs to be equally true/valid to them then if a contradiction arises they will do their best to extinguish the competition because that disrupts the ability to maintain their own balance.

Again, we all have our own truths and I do not consider most of them to be "universal". Most are not and I don't have an issue with that. However, I don't see the need to express myself in ways that cator to those who seek truth externally of self. I'm not geared that way and feel no need to accommodate those who are. This is my free will of choice in doing so.

This is probably hopelessly foolish, but these things cannot be undone by simply revealing them for what they are. People persist in their beliefs every bit as hard as I'm sure you do in your "truth" and it is because we all have a need to feel that level of certainty in our conclusions that bridges need to be built. It may be entirely the opposite of how you're used to handling situations, but I'm starting to get the distinct feeling that if life does exist elsewhere that this Planet is the only one still operating so dysfunctionally and it does so because there are always ways for people to hide their dysfunction and believe what they will themselves to believe. Until that is literally removed by providing a bridge between "The truth within" and "The truth without" people will always persist in believing whichever truth is the least painful for them to accept even if it's still a dysfunctional truth that does not actually help them in the long run. It doesn't matter that it will actually harm them, the person involved does not see that, their perception is more clouded than anyone else. They need to literally be led out of where they were by someone (that they have grown to trust understands them) who can actually show them how to keep that same emotional quality of life (or better) while changing what they believe inside themselves.

I find that when things are presented for what they are, such as the study of of consciousness at the systemic level to be quite refreshing. It's unfortunate that others may not feel the same. There is something about interpreting a truth only to have your heart chakra sing to you that is beautifully simplistic. I have no desire to seek another way of discerning truth.

Consequently, I don't consider myself here to turn opinions or beliefs. Only to provide a different perspective. If it resonates with you then that may be cause for additional self expiration. If not, then you will learn what you need to learn, when you need to learn it, from somewhere else. I have never sought to be all things to all people. That is an impossible task to undertake.

I think we went over this in another thread and your response was that people should show a work-ethic towards finding their own truth and enlightenment. I'm sure that works in normal situations but the problem is that here people have a set of loaded choices presented to them. Any "truth" you offer is probably going to upset people greatly and they will ALWAYS choose what they perceive to be the least painful option. People who are more empathetic or have better ability to plan for the future and think ahead therefore need less convincing (as their calculation of pain includes factors that might actually make it less painful to hurt themselves more now for a brighter future), but since we're a population collectively drugged, lied to, cheated, etc. then to expect any kind of enthusiasm towards what you're advocating would make about as much sense as expecting people to get jubilant at the prospect of shooting themselves in the head. It goes against everything you learn when you get here, and no one is going to respect you if you immediately disrespect everything they've learned and cannot positively frame it and then add to what they know.

Yes, that is my sentiment. People are free to choose their own truths. Just because I present one aspect that I've discovered within does not make it universal. If people have an issue with this approach, then that is their cross to bare. I'm not here to comfort people and if I upset the apple cart, then so be it. I offer a perspective and nothing more. People are free to take or leave any aspect of it that does not resonate with them.

That's fine, but just be aware that you're going to get this same sort of response everywhere you do this. (although perhaps not articulated with this much detail.) If you're fine with that then that's cool. I just think there are ways you could be a lot more effective at sharing ideas. But to each their own.

That doesn't bother me in the least. If people want to react to something instead of spending time gravitating toward what works best for them, then who am I to say how they spend or waste their time. That's not my problem. I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I'm here to share ideas.

To effectively share your perspective people need to be able to put themselves in your shoes. If your perspective includes things no one can even begin to relate to them they're not going to listen. But what's worse, because people have done exactly what you're doing, but from a dishonest intent to deceive and manipulate others people are always going to be on the defense when things like this appear. They cannot perceive intent, they cannot know that you're not lying, or that you're not a psychopath and because we really do have to deal with those here we literally have to cross-examine anything outlandish someone says just so that we can be sure they're not doing the same thing again. It's a survival mechanism, you're going to have about as much success at changing that as you will convincing people they don't need to eat, sleep or breathe (meaning even if they physically don't it's such a deeply ingrained behavior that deprogramming it could take aeons depending on how it's approached.)

I doubt that most can effectively walk in my shoes; so no such goal has been set. I have no issues perceiving intent. In fact, it's quite easy by simply scanning energies. It's all about energy resonance. If it doesn't resonate for any reason, walk away. It's that simple. Instead, many on this forum would rather peer at dissonance like people watching a road side accident. It's curious behavior for sure. But again, who am I to judge how people spend or waste their time.

It's not just conflict for conflict's sake. Debate is actually a useful way to get information out of people. Debate, just like science is a reductionist method to determining truth. You try to disprove everything someone says and if you cannot then whatever remains is as close to the genuine truth as we can know currently. The more you debate the more you can learn because over time you remove all of the things that could not be true until the only thing that is true remains. It's a roundabout approach and probably takes a lot longer than it should but it's just how things are done here as a matter of survival. If you don't pay respect to the necessity of these processes then no one else is going to respect yours. It worked on this planet for a long time, that may be because this planet was horribly dysfunctional but to survive in a dysfunctional world we cannot control people will become dysfunctional if they can find no other way to survive.

This approach is foreign to me. This process becomes irrelevant when one seeks energy validation via resonance inside. I guess I see this approach as crude and unduly time consuming.

But the confrontation is actually a way of evaluating whether or not you are true or valid. It's how someone who holds truth outside themselves does it. They do it precisely because they know that their truth within can be affected/altered by the world without and that if they do not hold the truth outside themselves then they will be unable to change their beliefs and they will become mentally trapped if they happen upon a clever psychopath. Look at the political divides for instance, all that bitter partisanship is the product of damaged psyches who literally cannot stand to be proven wrong (it hurts them on an emotional level immensely) and to survive they pursue a Scorched Earth "Win at all costs" strategy to maintain their own illusion of correctness in their beliefs within. Someone who holds the truth completely outside of themselves however is free to admit they were wrong, as they never believed they were right to begin with. This allows them to detect deception and if they're lucky, help get some people out of those traps. It's just what (at least had before) worked.

I don't share this view. My truth within cannot be changed by external sources or others. It is all based on resonance. Once you can tune into it, there is nothing that can dissuade you from it.

Oh, I'm actually quite happy you asked!
The reason Jesus if he existed would need to perform miracles is to demonstrate the bridge between the truth within and the truth without. If he can make a physical example by showing how his beliefs can say, heal broken bones as well as mend the psyche then that directly shows how the inner world and outer world are connected and gives people a path to walk from "Only the truth without matters" to "only the truth within matters." It would also allow him to directly demonstrate the relevancy of his truth by allowing others to put it to the test. If he did it respectfully and was willing to really slog it out he might even be able to convince the entire planet. But to do it, he'd first have to be willing to submit to the reductionist methodology for determining truth.

If he could defy the laws of physics, as well as understand the mind, mend the heart, etc. Then he demonstrates 100% actualization of belief as reality in a way that is universally relevant to everyone. Everyone has a physical body, everyone has physical needs. By showing them a permanent way to resolve any survival issues by allowing their "Truth within" to provide for their needs in the world without he will transcend people's survival issues by showing them that if they follow what he says bad things will not, in fact, happen to them. It's important not just to be an example himself, but to create a process others can follow and over a long period of time prove the validity of that process by basically educating people up to his level, like a school. Expecting people to reach his level by any other process contradicts how this world has shown us to survive. We are born, we get educated, and then we apply that education in the world around us to navigate it and find our meaning/satisfaction in life.

But even more important, by being that example and being willing to face even the psychopaths in our society who will try to destroy him, he also would show us how to properly survive. By appearing as a mundane human here to spread some good works, yes he will influence people's hearts but he's not ever going to transform the whole of the world. At best he'd get a few souls piecemeal who were lucky enough to hold on to what he showed them before the rest of society literally beat it out of them. Especially if people are stuck here in some kind of reincarnation loop, it's important for there to be a lasting example until (at least a majority) of people get out rather than expecting people will just figure it out on their own. People might normally do that everywhere else, but I question whether or not these societies ever have had such organized campaigns of lying/disinfo/etc pitched against them. We do here, and because there will be that constant pressure from a contingent of society who exists for no other reason than to confuse and control us through using that confusion. And people can be confused quite easily, all it takes is an example which disproves whatever they believed. It may not really shake them, but it will chip away at the firmness of what they believe and over time that represents a way to get into their heads and ultimately control them by offering a more correct explanation that can account for that example.

That may be an idyllic situation, but I believe that story was acted out about 2,000 years ago and look where that lead humanity. This is the reason why there will be no return of a single individual to offer such insights. I believe that the one refered to as Jesus was asking people to be like him, not follow him. That's were a large part of this mess began. We have no need to repeat that mistake.

This, is why any "second coming" if it were ever to occur, has to be a literal one. (Versus a metaphor for something more abstract.) Because until there's someone on this Earth who can explain everything, to everyone, and make complete sense of everything then psychopaths will be able to keep on controlling us. If you believe in the Law of One, I think Ra mentioned that the harvests from this planet were quite low. This is probably why, because any time anyone tries to step up and really figure it out there are already plenty of others who know just how to disarm them. It doesn't matter if that person eventually escapes because they're so effective at that disarming that they can immediately make anything that person says irrelevant to the society at large. As well, with each successful disarming, they only grow better at how to do it.

Again, Jesus is the example. Whatever he really was, today he exists mostly as a mockery of what he originally sought to teach us and was adopted as a figurehead by fundamentalist religions which are based more on how to hate rather than how to love. It represents how psychopaths can twist anything to suit their agenda, even someone who (to us) appears perfect. All they had to do was wait until he left to destroy or corrupt all hard evidence of what he was originally here for, then slowly twist and manipulate his teachings and the people interested in following them until we're at where we are today. People don't notice very slow methodical changes over time, we don't have the ability to perceive with that much clarity right now.

I use Jesus as an example as he'd be the person most relevant to a majority of the world. If we're seriously talking about planning a literal example to use in today's world that's relevant to the entire planet there'd probably need to be more examples than just a "Jesus Christ." I really think Project Blue Beam, regardless of if it were ever real, represented something important. People need to have things appear not just as they are, but also to a degree as they expect them to be. If you totally defy everyone's expectations they may refuse to acknowledge you, because that "expectation" is the same to them as your "truth within."

You are welcome to that belief. I, however, do not share your view. I believe that if Jesus were to appear, it would further polarize the fundamentalists of every religion. The same could be said if Mohammed were to paper in Jesus' stead.

I should also note that I was not raised into any religious belief system, but was granted the freedom of choice to choose my own path one day if called to do so. But now that I am not blinded by religious indoctrination I can see how this is effecting some on this very thread. Their biblical world view is being shaken due to the possibility that war and struggle may exist beyond earth realm. This is why they are so quick to judge others even to the point of wishing for violent "earth changes". I guess they are willing to cling to stories in a book to comfort themselves against what is coming. So in that sense, if my vision of what I see coming causes discomfort in some, then so be it. But no one other than Source has the right to judge me for something that I am not a physically active part of.

As I've stated, I'm indifferent to these reports and only want to see Gaia's transformation unfold as it was told by the ancients.

Their truth within, just like the skeptics "only the truth without matters" truth within, must all be acknowledged simultaneously. If this sounds incredibly complicated and laborious, it is, and it's because ultimately someone has to bear the burden for a people who have been under the yoke for so long they literally do not know how to bear it themselves. Chastising them for this isn't going to help them anymore than chastising a paraplegic is going to help them walk. When someone suffers a debilitating injury it takes mountains of effort and resources to get them back to walking again and that's before we consider that if this person were to represent collective humanity that he'd be dealing with a circle of friends/family where 4% of them would be guaranteed to be trying their hardest to prevent him from ever walking again (Going to lengths as far as Kathy Bates in Misery) while with near perfect clarity appearing to the injured as caring friends/family.

Interesting perspective, but again unduly complicated compared to other means.

It's not just "The Avalon Truth game" it's a representation of how people learn things, adopt them as truth, apply them to the world, and change their beliefs in a first world sort of situation. It's not universally relevant but it does represent (I at least hope) the toughest audience you're going to have to face. So my hope is that if you're interested in spreading ideas you'd be interested in attempting to convince me as a way to test how your message is going to be accepted; enabling you to get much more effective at achieving your goal.

Thank you for the insight. I guess part of it for me is not having been a part of the incarnational loop. I admit that what comes as second nature to me is not so for most others.

I'm willing to admit everything I've just said, could, in fact, be dead wrong. It's just what my own experience leads me to believe. This is, you could say, my "truth within" and if you want me to change you have to change that, because what's stopping change in the way you might want it to occur (dropping fear, adopting love, living from the heart, not needing outer-proofs or reasons for doing things) is precisely the belief that the things I think or feel now are necessary for my survival. If you can fully demonstrate in every way how they are not, I no longer can hold onto the belief and then ultimately I have no choice but to change.

There is nothing wrong with what you said. It is your truth and perspective and I respect that. I acknowledge that it is the truth you require to move your own proverbial ball forward within your experience. I guess it's hard to understand why people can't do the same in return. The propensity to fight over nothing on this plane of existence is mind boggling.

I've been trying to figure out how to drop my own beliefs, and I've finally come to realize that I cannot do that on my own, and that I probably never will. Because unless the entire world around me changes (which seems highly unlikely) the only other way for those beliefs to become irrelevant is to have an example of something better (That appeals to my truth within) that I can somehow change myself into while the world around me stays exactly the same. I just can't buy anything else because there are too many examples (including ones I've been through myself, I've dealt with manipulation a lot in my life.) that exist today which show how horribly things can end if I do any of the above things.

I don't believe that there is ever a reason to drop one's beliefs. Only to modify them as needed to perfect your own experience. As for everyone else, who cares what they think as long as you don't intentionally harm another or knowingly infringe upon the free will of another. This is why it's so easy to rebuff most of the quips here. Never take it personally because at the end of the day these are only words on a screen and NOBODY, I don't care who you are knows the real you and how you conduct yourself in the world and consequently what fruit you bare.

Fear is not universally dispelled by love, because people can literally be taught to fear love or fear certain expressions of love. Okay, rant off. I hope it was informative at least. ^_^

Yes, very informative and thank you again for taking the time to provide such a well thought out response.

[foreverfan]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
People continue to speculate: Is all this Drake stuff for real? Wilcock? Cobra? Fulford? I have not been able to keep up with what all of these people have been saying as much as I would have liked to (and plan to finally get down to reading David Wilcock's latest blog today, though he wrote it over a week ago I think), so I am just going to speak here to what I KNOW:

I am VERY excited about how Drake has been mobilizing (so to speak) civilian militia across the country and probably inspiring it around the world -- for the good; and how he has talked to the American troops and also encouraged people to take stock of necessities that may be needed for several weeks as well as encouraged "community spirit."

On the other hand I am very pleased with the meditation that Cobra is encouraging (if not spearheading) for the People of the World to use our Power of Intention to free the world. That stuff is POWERFUL. This has been PROVEN -- and scientifically. It's not "wu-wu" fluff. IT WORKS.

There is a war on -- not only for our minds but for our emotions and spirit -- and it's a war pull to hold us down and beat us down further. Yet we have the power -- within us -- to break free from such oppressive non-material chains, and we can do that best TOGETHER. I don't know about you, but I believe in us...!!!

Good lord... a positive post.




Saw this on Sabrina's thread... LOL

[billyji]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
I am not meaning to go off topic here but a few of the recent comments about the soul has reminded me of the Hindu story of Hanuman battling the Demi God Ravana who could not be destroyed.
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Hanuman later found out the secret of Ravana's imortality. His soul was not with his body but kept in a secret place in the underworld seperated from the body.
The container that Hanuman holds is the soul of Ravana, He is returning the soul to Ravana to enable him to be defeated.


Read the story here. Just click on the next number to follow the story.
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1194

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1195

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1196

I sometimes wonder if the Cabal have sold their souls and are trapped here.

Peace

Posted by Avocadess (here)
BillyJi, The way I learned the Ramayana, in the end of the story about Ram, Sita, Hanuman and Ravanah (aka Ravan) the Hindu scriptures say that as it turned out Ravanah was one of Ram's greatest devotees -- because he never could get Ram (aka Rama) off of his mind. He was effectively "meditating" on Ram at all times.

It's an interesting thing to think about. I personally have come to the conclusion, (and I certainly could be wrong), that even the worst of the worst have a way to loop around back to the Light of Love and Heart. I'm a cock-eyed optimist, I know -- and I don't mean it could happen within just one lifetime, but in the whole grand and long-term scheme of things.

I also am an optimist Avocadess, Maybe the Cabal require assistance in regathering their souls to allow them to move on.

Peace

Exactly the opportunity we have as humanity and what could resolve a conflict in this tiny local region of this outpost in the Milky Way... a conflict that some folks are of the opinion has gone on for hundreds of thousands of years... but an opportunity which could slip away because some supposed mystery school graduate wanna be s think they know best as to the course humanity should take - idiocy.

Thank You, Peace... your Avatar fits you well.

may you find peace in your hearts





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I just spent 30mins replying, I lost it all apart from the last line.


In short, An eye for an eye makes us all blind.

Peace

[foreverfan]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJpLXAs57hw

[foreverfan]

Illuminati 'Kingpin' Shoots Himself Before Being Taken To Prison; Have The NWO Mass Arrests Begun In Earnest?

NICOSIA, Cyprus — Former Prime Minister Adrian Nastase of Romania shot and wounded himself on Wednesday, apparently in a suicide attempt, hours after the country’s Supreme Court ruled he must serve a two-year sentence for corruption.

Mr. Nastase is the most senior Romanian politician to be jailed since the overthrow of Communism in 1989.

The court’s decision shocked Romania, a poor country where senior politicians have long been seen as above the law. Analysts hailed it as a sign of political maturity in a nation struggling to shed a culture of graft and lawlessness that was honed during decades of Communist rule.

Mr. Nastase, who will turn 62 on Friday, had denied any wrongdoing and insisted that the case was politically motivated.

He had appealed his March 30 sentence after he was convicted of illegally raising $2 million for his failed presidential campaign in 2004 by drawing from the profits of an event organized by a state agency. Mr. Nastase was prime minister in a leftist government from 2000 to 2004 and before that was foreign minister.

Read more @ http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/wo...s-himself.html

The most irritating public disclosures were during the conference held by Gregorian Bivolaru in Paris, where he courageously disclosed high secrets about the world conspiracy that the Freemasons have been plotting for years under high governmental protection – particularly in the US (where by no accident, secret symbols are depicted for example on the 1dollar banknote).

Freemasons consider Gregorian Bivolaru as a JAN VAN HELSING of Romania, who disturbs them more and more with his public disclosures of “terrifying” secrets that only the top of Freemasons know. This is why the Masons secretly hired the “brother” Adrian Nastase, Freemason well known in the circles of power in Romania (having a high Freemason degree). By using his advantage of power as prime minister, he was ordered to “silence” Bivolaru and to have him arrested, and also to destroy MISA. The Freemasons promised in return to fully support him to win elections and to become President of Romania.

Soon after this agreement with the USA Freemasonry, Adrian Nastase secretly ordered the Romanian Police and the Prosecutor’s Office to start the biggest action in the last 15 years in Romania, which they named Operation “Christ”. Suddenly, at Adrian Nastase’s sign, after years of peace and harmony, the authorities started aggressive actions against yogis. They watched them closely, harassed and investigated them and even succeeded to arrest guru Bivolaru for a few days, for some strange, unsupported reasons. During the police’s forceful search there have been innumerable abuses and illegal treatment against many yogis, who were robbed of their goods, without any reports, goods that were never returned. Most Romanians do not know the yogis suffering and troubles caused by the Freemasons and A. Nastase …

[gripreaper]

This is what this thread feels like to me

[aranuk]

Posted by foreverfan (here)

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJpLXAs57hw

What a man ! He talks truth. Straight from the heart.

Stan

[gripreaper]

Semjase from Plejaran wants to chime in now:

Gentle people of the earth.

The entity naming itself COBRA is not associated with the Plejaran fleet, the Andromeda Council, the Arcturian Initiative, or any non-human race other than those known as the Gizeh Intelligence, a negative faction of Lyran descent.

COBRA is a signifier for: Clandestine Operative Bafath Regional Agent. It is neither male nor female. It is a synthetic located in Montreal, Canada.

In the coming weeks and months, many such entities proposing to be of the light and against the Collective Cabal will attempt to lead you astray. They will attempt to make you believe the benevolent races, your brothers and sisters from the stars, are the true dark ones. They will attempt to trick you into following the Priory of Dracos, to enslave you, clone you, and devour your flesh and torture your soul. Look to your heart of hearts and ask: does this entity resonate with Source?

The entity known as Drake is not associated with the Pentagon or Plejarans. We are not “impatient” for “mass arrests.” There was never any such plan after a similar plan was defeated by your political leaders and banking kings many years ago. Our plans for the removal of the Collective Cabal will be under way in a different manner which does not involve violence. We have offered re-location to a third density moon that can sustain human and Draco-Hydra life. Many have already accepted this alternative.

Look to the skies, gentle people. We are there. Open your eyes and hearts and you will know that you are not alone. You were never alone. We are family.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2293/...out_COBRA.html

Just more updates, clarifications...AND MORE!!!! This probably qualifies in the "and More" category.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by StarDust (here)
Then, I consider myself fortunate. In this regard, my not being part of the traditional incarnational cycle is a both a benefit (from my perspective in terms of processing truth) and a handicap (from the perspective of understanding "human baggage"). This is not my process and I was free of the chains that you describe by early adulthood. Since then, everything of significance that I've encountered has directed me to look inward for answers.

The outward perspective of others is largely just that, a perspective, and little more from where I stand. IMO, truth is in the eye of the beholder with some that are commonly held by agreement and the vast majority being only truth to the individual. I accept this myriad of perception as the primary purpose for experience. It is Source expressing itself in infinite ways.

If you can't fully understand human baggage you won't be able to handle it, and it'll literally all come tumbling down on top of you the moment you try, just like opening a suitcase accidentally packed too tightly. ^_^;; Your advantage enables you to perhaps see things more clearly "as they were originally intended to be" I make this distinction in language so as to separate "Things as they are" because depending on who you ask "Things as they are" is easily conflated mentally with "Things as I feel they should be." Which is minced with a dash of personal ego, while "things as they were originally intended to be" is a more accurate representation of what you're trying to do. Get the planet back on-balance. The language used is so very important and it's the first step to avoiding conflict by allowing people to keep their own definitions while still expressing yourself.

Now that we've crossed over to language I think you need to consider the use of the word "truth." If you want to stick to it, you're going to have a very long, very hard battle to define that word as you know it and enforce that definition among the general population. Yes, it has to at first be enforced because many will not want to agree to what you have to say unless they decide they like you or what you say sounds just like something someone else they like said. Social pressure has to be applied to some extent to get people to line up their definitions with yours. Even then, it doesn't always work because some groups find specific necessity in their definitions. Wiccans may be taking back the word "Witch" but Evangelical Christians for instance, are never going to accept that because their culture's survival depends on requiring certain words mean certain things and one of those is "witch" another would be "Lucifer" and every -stem variation thereof, and another would be "Christ" with its multitudes of variations thereof. This is important because even with the dictionary as a primer words carry many meanings that are individual and not easily accessed without getting to know a person or a culture.

In many cases people do not understand themselves enough to even give you a clear answer. "Detective Work" is always required to some extent, I have to do a lot of it to even keep a handle on my own thoughts as I eventually realized my conscious mind does not actually know "why" I make decisions, it knows why I decide "not" to do something but not why I decide to do something proactively. So introspection using only one's thinking is an illusion since the conscious is just the tip of the iceberg, instead I had to treat my mind as if it was dishonest with me and then I was able to suss out what most likely I was actually intending, thinking, or feeling at a given moment. These are still just best guesses, but they're guesses made through a process of figuring things out that has worked remarkably well at figuring out who's lying and who's not. The important thing to note here, my conscious is not actually dishonest because I'm sure it doesn't intend to make data unavailable for my inspection intentionally to harm or confuse me. But, it does still obscure things purposefully, and regardless of intent by applying a process meant to be used to detect people doing that same act with bad intent, I can figure out what has been obscured from my perception regardless of if it was done in good or bad intent.

The outer perspective is the only thing most of us see, it's an interface we literally cannot turn off or adjust. It is forever there, forever stimulating, motivating and pressuring us. We pay attention to it precisely because no matter what we say or do it does not go away. Sure you could try killing yourself if you really wanted it to go away, but this process is usually very painful, and our society has already loaded up fear the most on the subject of Death so its social acceptability is at rock bottom. People will perceive you as crazy for not acknowledging the things that persistently exist outside yourself precisely because they always can affect you as long as you have a body...and if you don't have a body? Well, you're probably not here in any way where we could communicate with you clearly so it's not like it would make a difference. You won't dispel fear of death without a lot of work, but for a skeptic to deem the outside world irrelevant then first it'd need to consistently not effect you. Knives, guns, etc would all need to be rendered irrelevant.

Posted by StarDust (here)
Again, we all have our own truths and I do not consider most of them to be "universal". Most are not and I don't have an issue with that. However, I don't see the need to express myself in ways that cator to those who seek truth externally of self. I'm not geared that way and feel no need to accommodate those who are. This is my free will of choice in doing so.

It certainly is your prerogative. However I think that if you're going to ever get enough people to do anything differently you're going to have to give in to at least some of their demands. You may feel you don't need to cater to people not like yourself but what you don't yet get is that if you do not get near the whole of humanity in one swoop enough people exist to prevent the others from leaving. Like I said, one or two prisoners may escape but they never threaten the safety of the jail because there are already society-wide mechanisms in place to disarm or discredit anything said if it does not fall entirely beyond the range of any establishment to offer an explanation more believable. It works so well that even when you remove the jailers the other "prisoners" do all the work their former masters did for them.

Many, but not all people believe truth must be universal. If you want to stick to the word truth you can try adding a qualifying adjective. "Personal Truth" might work for instance. Because when you say "The Truth" it conjures up an image of an absolute immutable stone tablet much like Moses' ten commandments. An absolute unalterable decree from an infallible source that will last for eternity exactly how it is. This is just a perception, but these are the sorts of perceptions you will have to deal with if you're here to do anything more than just make yourself feel better about trying your hardest. People here though view that sort of thing as patronizing (insulting), because while you may want to help, by refusing to acknowledge the kind of help people need (because here, specifics matter very much) or why they need it (past trauma) you demonstrate very little understanding of what they are going through. You might be able to know exactly how they feel or what they're going through, but if the other person does not recognize that they are going to fight you because of what you (seem) to be doing, which is trying to manipulate them against their will.

The hostility is precisely because of the misunderstanding created when they can't understand you or your POV and is why "catering" to some extent is required. Not in all cases or all ways, compromise is itself an artform and one I am still trying to figure out as I try to compromise with myself to figure out just who I authentically am, and what my most authentic self-expression is.

Posted by StarDust (here)
I find that when things are presented for what they are, such as the study of of consciousness at the systemic level to be quite refreshing. It's unfortunate that others may not feel the same. There is something about interpreting a truth only to have your heart chakra sing to you that is beautifully simplistic. I have no desire to seek another way of discerning truth.

Be prepared then for the day you wake up to realize you just committed genocide unnecessarily because someone else lied to you for years on end. That may be a hyperbolic example but even people who can read intent perfectly can be fooled by psychopaths. They believe everything they say perfectly. Living entirely in the heart makes you vulnerable to those sorts of people. I don't think anyone should give up caring or wanting to live from the heart but a way to live simultaneously in heart and mind is required to both be authentic and prevent deception. You should take your own path of course, but I just want to make sure you're aware of what the risks are. Because especially if you are who you say you are, you WILL be tested like that and you may never even know it until it's too late.

Posted by StarDust (here)
Consequently, I don't consider myself here to turn opinions or beliefs. Only to provide a different perspective. If it resonates with you then that may be cause for additional self expiration. If not, then you will learn what you need to learn, when you need to learn it, from somewhere else. I have never sought to be all things to all people. That is an impossible task to undertake.

Things resonate based on feeling, feeling is emotion, emotion is based on personal perception, perception can be distorted via deception, thus emotions can lie to you as well. Not in the way you might think, what you feel is most certainly real. The lie though is "why" you're having that feeling, it's rather easy to confuse people like that. You can confuse them by making their acceptance or nonacceptance of your explanation effect their chances of survival. Survival isn't just physical survival either, but the entire Maslow's hierarchy of needs. That's an important one, access to all of those things on the chart are ways to control a person because they're all things we need to achieve our full authentic potential and a great many of them depend on things entirely outside our control. Food, water and shelter are one, but sex, friendship and a sense of belonging are others. Your "survival" as a human requires some way of achieving most if not all of those things. So even if you're 100% sure of what your emotions mean, society at large can simply ostracize you and your viewpoint for long enough that you eventually have no choice but to accept it if you wish to remain on planet. It's quite brutal but it works.

First they get you to lie to others to fit in, then lie to yourself so that you forget you're lying to fit in. Once they do it long enough and all the person involved will remember is "This is what I have to do" and they will resist change so long as change only brings pain/suffering. Finally, they'll make an association and adopt the belief that "This is how I authentically am, I don't need to change because I am happiest like this." It isn't how they might actually be happiest, but if they never know of anything consciously other than "If I do anything else it hurts" they will adopt beliefs to support their desire to not get hurt. Anyone who can get hurt, is vulnerable to some kind of manipulation like this.

Case in point, I had to change a lot of my mannerisms and methods of dress and communication just so that I would appeal to women. I had to do this because if I ever wanted to have companionship I realized society's expectations of me and that I had to find a way to meet them adequately in some fashion or it would deny me any real loving kinship in this life. I've still got a long way to go but basically my choices were precisely "die lonely and insane" or "give in to some of what people want." When you regularly get faced with those situations it makes you realize that to a lot of people appearances are very important. So if anything you want or need in this world requires other people to want to follow you then you'll just have to do it. It's not a matter of moralizing shoulds, but simply what people will do.

Posted by StarDust (here)
Yes, that is my sentiment. People are free to choose their own truths. Just because I present one aspect that I've discovered within does not make it universal. If people have an issue with this approach, then that is their cross to bare. I'm not here to comfort people and if I upset the apple cart, then so be it. I offer a perspective and nothing more. People are free to take or leave any aspect of it that does not resonate with them.

Then you're going to run into the same problems as everyone else. You'll come here, give it what you feel or think is your all, and then be severely disappointed when (if you manage to achieve any positive progress with any human or group) that after you die everything you've done to "help" anyone is washed away and perverted by society at large. You'll come back, over and over and over again hoping to "get it right" only to fail to see entirely why you never could "get it right" and that's because you refused to acknowledge anyone or anything outside of your "self" as true. You can't just believe in your "truth within," you have to believe in everyone's "truth within" and that includes the people who believe "The truth is out there." Otherwise dysfunctional and destructive behavior patterns will eventually destroy or re-purpose everything you put forth to support the status quo. Everyone has to like you and like what you have to say otherwise the ones who don't will make it an explicit purpose of theirs to mangle your legacy.

Posted by StarDust (here)
That doesn't bother me in the least. If people want to react to something instead of spending time gravitating toward what works best for them, then who am I to say how they spend or waste their time. That's not my problem. I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I'm here to share ideas.

"What works best for me" can be destroying other people I hate. "What works best" is synonymous in meaning with "What is least painful" or "What is most pleasurable" and all of those can be filled with destructive and dysfunctional things. You seem to be under the impression that everyone likes what you like or will enjoy what you enjoy. Many many people legitimately seek enjoyment in dysfunction, pain and devastation. They may hate it and want to escape it inwardly, but be trapped in situations that permanently prevent the honest self-exploration needed for them to find something better. When being different can cost you everything people aren't prone to be authentically as they are 100% of the time, especially not with themselves. (Since they need to feel authentic even if they're not being authentic, it's why self-deception is so attractive, it lets you forget that part.)

Posted by StarDust (here)
I doubt that most can effectively walk in my shoes; so no such goal has been set. I have no issues perceiving intent. In fact, it's quite easy by simply scanning energies. It's all about energy resonance. If it doesn't resonate for any reason, walk away. It's that simple. Instead, many on this forum would rather peer at dissonance like people watching a road side accident. It's curious behavior for sure. But again, who am I to judge how people spend or waste their time.

Well if you have no goal then I wish you the best. Perhaps you're "just visiting" then. But if you really care about literally anything other than just being yourself at all costs (even if it kills you) this world will do nothing but frustrate the pants off of you.

Posted by StarDust (here)
This approach is foreign to me. This process becomes irrelevant when one seeks energy validation via resonance inside. I guess I see this approach as crude and unduly time consuming.

It's crude yes, but necessary due to psychopathology. The worst kinds of psychopaths basically have no bearing on any "Truth" beyond "what I want to do right now" and because of that they always register as "100% authentic" because their most authentic form of self-expression is doing absolutely whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want. You cannot read their energy that way because they literally are incapable (even at a physical level, MRIs confirm this) of perceiving any negativity or "hostile intent" in themselves or anything they do, only in other people. At least that's what I keep hearing from anyone I know who "read people" regularly.

Posted by StarDust (here)
I don't share this view. My truth within cannot be changed by external sources or others. It is all based on resonance. Once you can tune into it, there is nothing that can dissuade you from it.

I've actually tapped into this, and can confirm at least for myself, yes, yes you can, quite strongly. All it requires is playing on survival drama issues that force you back into the box of disbelief. I cannot "stand firm in my own truth" because everything about how I was raised and who I became depended on being able to disown anything I said or did which fell outside of acceptable social norms. If I was not able to do this then if I stepped too far out of line I'd have to battle society at large to gain any acceptance whatsoever. Civil Rights, LGBT rights, look to those fights, that's the sort of battle faced by anyone who wants to publicly change how this world perceives them. It can be done, but it's very difficult and takes sustained effort over a very long generational period.

I don't enter into any conflict I'm not sure I can come out of unscathed. As such I am incapable of holding any belief I cannot outwardly prove to others; doing anything else is to deny how progress is made in this world. If I want to believe something and communicate that belief to any other person, I must be ready to consider entering into a battle over that belief. Because if anything I say or do contradicts any other person I run the risk of inciting them to make my life miserable just because of their damaged psyche. Science you could say is an "Easy out" because of how it relies on the outside world to make its proofs but it's quite useful (although just one part of any overall solution that would be needed to help the population.)

Posted by StarDust (here)
You are welcome to that belief. I, however, do not share your view. I believe that if Jesus were to appear, it would further polarize the fundamentalists of every religion. The same could be said if Mohammed were to paper in Jesus' stead.

It would depend on how it was handled really. The way to make it work is to present a picture of Jesus so appealing that everyone ignores the parts they don't like because there's so much of what they want. But in getting the Jesus they want they eventually must accept the parts they don't like. It's a sneaky way of doing it, but again, here that stuff works. Of course it has to be consistent and authentic, but I'm sure enough people would eventually say, stop hating gays or lesbians if Jesus himself explained it to them. Of course their acceptance of him as Jesus will depend on him presenting himself to them in a likeable way.

I think to do it right you'd need to create some sort of algorithim to figure it out, since you have to appear to someone as just the right combination of "how I want you to be" and "how you really are."

Posted by StarDust (here)
I should also note that I was not raised into any religious belief system, but was granted the freedom of choice to choose my own path one day if called to do so. But now that I am not blinded by religious indoctrination I can see how this is effecting some on this very thread. Their biblical world view is being shaken due to the possibility that war and struggle may exist beyond earth realm. This is why they are so quick to judge others even to the point of wishing for violent "earth changes". I guess they are willing to cling to stories in a book to comfort themselves against what is coming. So in that sense, if my vision of what I see coming causes discomfort in some, then so be it. But no one other than Source has the right to judge me for something that I am not a physically active part of.

Well as long as you're ready to accept that society will still judge you, condemn you, and if necessary even torture you horribly for what you simply appear to be then that's fine. But as long as you give people a choice to "cling to stories in a book" they will if it's the most comforting option. It's just human nature. (The only difference being that each person determines what is comforting and what is not individually.)

Posted by StarDust (here)
As I've stated, I'm indifferent to these reports and only want to see Gaia's transformation unfold as it was told by the ancients.

If the entire world miraculously changes around us I'm all for that. I simply am highly skeptical about the possibility. I'd love to see it, but life leads me to believe it won't occur. I can at least say that I really do hope you're right.

Posted by StarDust (here)
Interesting perspective, but again unduly complicated compared to other means.

I can't wait for those "other means" to finally kick in then.

Posted by StarDust (here)
Thank you for the insight. I guess part of it for me is not having been a part of the incarnational loop. I admit that what comes as second nature to me is not so for most others.

Jolly good, no one, not even I know for sure how this all ends up. But I can at least entertain myself with trying to figure it all out before that happens. I wouldn't make any difference anyway so I find it the only use of my time that feels worthwhile anymore. Since if everything changes tomorrow then all I thought mattered won't and I'll just be able to drop it.

Posted by StarDust (here)
There is nothing wrong with what you said. It is your truth and perspective and I respect that. I acknowledge that it is the truth you require to move your own proverbial ball forward within your experience. I guess it's hard to understand why people can't do the same in return. The propensity to fight over nothing on this plane of existence is mind boggling.

When fighting was the only thing that created even the slightest apparent progress here it's just a naturally adopted tendency. People pick things up from their environment unconsciously all the time. At least here, things were decided by competition, elimination, reduction, etc. These are all abstract concepts that hold particular meaning here because historically you could apply them to practical matters and succeed at what you intended to do using them. When those change, well then it's a whole new ball game.

Posted by StarDust (here)
I don't believe that there is ever a reason to drop one's beliefs. Only to modify them as needed to perfect your own experience. As for everyone else, who cares what they think as long as you don't intentionally harm another or knowingly infringe upon the free will of another. This is why it's so easy to rebuff most of the quips here. Never take it personally because at the end of the day these are only words on a screen and NOBODY, I don't care who you are knows the real you and how you conduct yourself in the world and consequently what fruit you bare.

Yes, very informative and thank you again for taking the time to provide such a well thought out response.

You can't modify beliefs if your survival depends on holding on to them. Outside of hardcore Buddhist monks I think very few people have what it takes to be 100% focused on compassion while 100% dispassionate about their survival.

Anyhow, I appreciate the conversation. I'm learning a lot from this as well. ^_^

[aranuk]

Free will is limited in everyone's lives in one way or another. If we haven't any money available and we chose not to have a credit card (debt card) and we chose not to ask friends or family for a loan, then we cannot just jump on a plane and fly to wherever we choose. The restriction of free will started in our earlier years no doubt with the circumstances of our birth. Depending what family we were born into, and what their circumstances were at that time, also had a bearing on our free will. I was married when I was twenty and rented a two bedroom flat my wife and I wanted to buy. We both wanted to buy the flat but because I was not yet 21 we had to wait another year. That suited the sellers of the flat as there was a credit squeeze at that time in Scotland and the UK in 1966. The sellers had difficulty getting the price they wanted because of the squeeze. Anyway, at that time some of my friends were travelling around the world visiting places like India, South America, and exotic locations. I was happy with my life, I chose that. I loved my wife. I wasn't envious of those friends at all.
When I thank source every night or morning before I sleep I give thanks and gratitude for all that I have. I really am most grateful. However I am not happy with what other people have. Some people have misery in their lives and almost nothing to look forward to. I ask source to help those people, men women and children. It is a duty I feel that I must do.
There are, as most people who come here know, politicians, cabal, bankers, corrupt officials in government, corporate SEO's, industrialists who only look after themselves at the expense of ordinary folks. I want their power taken away so that the majority of the population can be freer.
Drake seems to want those same things too! I want the same things that Drake wants. Don't you? Whether he is being led up the wrong path by corrupt Pentagon insiders is another discussion here. I suspect this is a possibility and I suspected this at the start. Read my earlier posts.
Maybe not.
If there are mass meditations around the world, I am included. Maybe these are more powerful than any physical action could be.
I support Drake.


Stan

[A Simple Human]

OK, ok, so here's my opinion about everyone else's opinion regarding this topic...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

I thank CurtisW for the video clip.

A.S.H.

[gripreaper]

I was with you Stan, as I'd venture everyone on this forum was, until that last sentence. Why would you take such a beautiful post and ruin it with that last sentence?

[9eagle9]

New age bull**** mysticism that teaches a person how to flog chakras (futilely) doesn't really teach this sort of thing.

In case you were wondering...it doesn't.

The thing is Studying something (anything actually) is far different than being adept at navigating it and experiencing. I've studied maths for years and I still count on my fingers.

It's okay though I have an artificial intelligence to count for me. I drew the line at it thinking for me.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The following is something most people need to understand about the "cabal," criminals of any sorts and controllers which is something that "Drake," in spite of all his "training" in mysticism and occult teachings is completely missing (or not, depending on the real agenda he is on):


From: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

This came up as being prior to birth. I then checked if it was from a past life; the answer was, “No.” I then checked to see if it came in through the genetic hereditary line; the answer was, “Yes.”

It ended up going back to the great, great grandfather. The client was there in hyperspace reliving the hologram of event of the agreement of entrapment, and he saw his great, great grandfather's body being taken over through his agreement of initiation through a ritual, as he moved up the scale of the secret society as a 33 rd degree Freemason.

When one goes through initiation rituals within some of these secret societies, they do this using their conscious free will; they enter the game of these forces and become subjects to the creator of that game. They make powerful symbols that open dimensional doorways and invoke forces from the unseen world--this becomes a valid universal agreement that can be valid through time and space eternally.

The first to enter into the body is an apprentice entity, and with each degree, a more powerful entity takes over. By the time they reach the 20 th to 25 th degrees, their thoughts and actions are no longer their own thoughts and actions--they are being run and controlled by unseen forces. They will always try to justify their actions, and by the time they reach the 30 th to 33 rd degrees, this then becomes an overlay--a powerful force--that merges, holographically overlaying itself throughout the body and which can now totally run the body, down to a cellular level. The original spirit and soul have been entrapped within their own body, no longer able to control it.

[...]

I once had a client on the table, he was a very big man, and these controllers had been interfering with him, I was going up line, so to speak and was four up, at the invader that was at the level controlling 50,000 and was reading him his rights to his freedom in this sector, when all of a sudden he breaks down crying his eyes out.

I asked, "why do you cry when I give you your freedom"!

This invading dimensional being was what I classified as a Draconian overlay, his comment was. "They will not let me go, they will entrap me like they did last time."

From that day on, a new agreement was added to the rights of their freedom and that is you have the rights to be aware of the game, so you are not entrapped by any beings higher or lower in this sector or any other sector or dimension.

[...]

Once an overlay has control, through the free will agreement that was given to it, not only does it have control of the body, but it also has control down the genetic line for about seven generations, as had occurred in this case.

The fun has just begun! I now call up the overlays, and as they surface, I start reading them their rights of their freedom. I start with the apprentice; he is the one in charge of that body. Then comes his controller; he is in charge of apprentices. Then the next controller; and then the “big boys” ... they can control up to a million humans!!!

Whenever I came across the controllers and asked if they were being controlled, I always got the same answer, “No.” When I asked what gave them the right to control those below, the answer is always similar, and that is, “We have the born rights.”

This is similar to the born-rights control on the physical by the blue bloods; the royal line of Titans, which were put here to control the planet.

It had taken about twenty minutes to remove this one; he was one of the highest controlling species that I am aware of in the inter-dimensional control game. He was one of the winged serpents--this species usually stays hidden as they control the Draconians, who in turn, control the Greys.

It took her body another five minutes to re-adjust back to its original self.

[...]

We have the ability to turn the prison system around as "repeat offenders" have no control over their repeat crimes and many times you hear " I don't know why I did it or the voices in my head made me do it" We have hundreds of news paper articles where these other forces took control killing people and the body is doing the time for a dimensional crime.

[...]

These beings come and take over, ‘party time, yee‐ha!’ But they’re leaving you to hold the bag. They jump out because they don’t want to take responsibility because human bodies are subject to pain and suffering. They’d rather jump in, have fun and leave you holding the bag. This is your free will and choice. If you choose to go out and get drunk, if you choose to go and get on the drugs, if you choose to open the doorways, then you’re choosing to be in their game. And you’re subject to laws of their game. Simple. Make changes.

In short, any mass murdering won't solve any problem, just make it worse since the real culprits would just jump ship/body and keep on going in their same old ways..

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In case we decided to start murdering random wealthy people too....

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by xbusymom (here)
could this be part of 'the plan'...

The U.S. Coast Guard has ended its search for a Brazilian-born multimillionaire whose fishing boat washed up on a south Florida beach earlier this week.

The Coast Guard said it called off the search for Guma Aguiar, the 35-year-old founder of a Texas oil and gas company that he sold for a reported $2.55 billion in 2006, late Thursday evening.

see the story here... http://news.yahoo.com/u-coast-guard-...143630930.html

Vessels get hijacked by drug runners quite ofter in the Caribbean or the Gulf of Mexico. They're attractive for a means into the States because of their legitimate registration. This sounds very typical, as once here, the boat is abandoned on the beach, and the bodies are long gone to the sharks. That's why most commercial fisherman who go well offshore are also well armed.

I would guess this scenario, before "The Plan".

Cheers,
Fred

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Not going to plan the rest of my life based on your emotional reactions.

Posted by Avocadess (here)
People continue to speculate: Is all this Drake stuff for real? Wilcock? Cobra? Fulford? I have not been able to keep up with what all of these people have been saying as much as I would have liked to (and plan to finally get down to reading David Wilcock's latest blog today, though he wrote it over a week ago I think), so I am just going to speak here to what I KNOW:

I am VERY excited about how Drake has been mobilizing (so to speak) civilian militia across the country and probably inspiring it around the world -- for the good; and how he has talked to the American troops and also encouraged people to take stock of necessities that may be needed for several weeks as well as encouraged "community spirit."

On the other hand I am very pleased with the meditation that Cobra is encouraging (if not spearheading) for the People of the World to use our Power of Intention to free the world. That stuff is POWERFUL. This has been PROVEN -- and scientifically. It's not "wu-wu" fluff. IT WORKS.

There is a war on -- not only for our minds but for our emotions and spirit -- and it's a war pull to hold us down and beat us down further. Yet we have the power -- within us -- to break free from such oppressive non-material chains, and we can do that best TOGETHER. I don't know about you, but I believe in us...!!!

[applecrusher1992]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Free will is limited in everyone's lives in one way or another. If we haven't any money available and we chose not to have a credit card (debt card) and we chose not to ask friends or family for a loan, then we cannot just jump on a plane and fly to wherever we choose. The restriction of free will started in our earlier years no doubt with the circumstances of our birth. Depending what family we were born into, and what their circumstances were at that time, also had a bearing on our free will. I was married when I was twenty and rented a two bedroom flat my wife and I wanted to buy. We both wanted to buy the flat but because I was not yet 21 we had to wait another year. That suited the sellers of the flat as there was a credit squeeze at that time in Scotland and the UK in 1966. The sellers had difficulty getting the price they wanted because of the squeeze. Anyway, at that time some of my friends were travelling around the world visiting places like India, South America, and exotic locations. I was happy with my life, I chose that. I loved my wife. I wasn't envious of those friends at all.
When I thank source every night or morning before I sleep I give thanks and gratitude for all that I have. I really am most grateful. However I am not happy with what other people have. Some people have misery in their lives and almost nothing to look forward to. I ask source to help those people, men women and children. It is a duty I feel that I must do.
There are, as most people who come here know, politicians, cabal, bankers, corrupt officials in government, corporate SEO's, industrialists who only look after themselves at the expense of ordinary folks. I want their power taken away so that the majority of the population can be freer.
Drake seems to want those same things too! I want the same things that Drake wants. Don't you? Whether he is being led up the wrong path by corrupt Pentagon insiders is another discussion here. I suspect this is a possibility and I suspected this at the start. Read my earlier posts.
Maybe not.
If there are mass meditations around the world, I am included. Maybe these are more powerful than any physical action could be.
I support Drake. The rest of you who don't, to hell with you.


Stan

I am with you Stan. If we can't agree that having meditations focused removing negative powers are a good thing we might as well just sit on our asses and get fat. Also if we really want to change the world then let's get off our asses and do something about it. I will be the first to admit that I have done this way too much. I want what Drake and Cobra (unless they are trying to deceive us) which is a free human race. I can feel the energy is in our favor so let us seize on an opportunity. If we really want a mass arrest let's organize and get some people for a citizen's arrest and do it. There are some people who have lost their land and have been abused by the system that would love to join us even if they aren't awake. Let's not wait for someone to do it for us or chat back in forth with this nearly pointless argument of whether Drake or Cobra is real. YES I AM THE FIRST ONE TO SAY IT BUT IT MUST BE SAID: THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS A DISTRACTION REGARDLESS WHETHER DRAKE/COBRA IS A FAKE OR NOT. It is a divide and conquer strategy which is exactly what the cabal would like to see. If we were to do this let us be careful especially with the law and having a situation like this make us look like the bad guys. If you agree with me reply back publicly, don't send me a pm. Let us declare that we are going to stand up for what we believe in and do something about it. It may be a lot of work but we got nothing to lose when we have everything to lose.

Edit:

I started a petition. A small action can take things a long way. If you like it make it viral. If not make recommendations and help me improve it.

http://www.change.org/petitions/all-...those-arrested

[justoneman]

Imagine if it was you... yes, you... who was the actual 100th monkey... the monkey that the world depended upon to be the tipping point in consciousness on earth that makes that single difference as whether or not the sun takes care of the earth problem for the universe...

...and you could not transcend the "us and them" complex.

Amazing how so few seem to get it.

I still bet on humanity because love wins all bets.

[aranuk]

Posted by applecrusher1992 (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Free will is limited in everyone's lives in one way or another. If we haven't any money available and we chose not to have a credit card (debt card) and we chose not to ask friends or family for a loan, then we cannot just jump on a plane and fly to wherever we choose. The restriction of free will started in our earlier years no doubt with the circumstances of our birth. Depending what family we were born into, and what their circumstances were at that time, also had a bearing on our free will. I was married when I was twenty and rented a two bedroom flat my wife and I wanted to buy. We both wanted to buy the flat but because I was not yet 21 we had to wait another year. That suited the sellers of the flat as there was a credit squeeze at that time in Scotland and the UK in 1966. The sellers had difficulty getting the price they wanted because of the squeeze. Anyway, at that time some of my friends were travelling around the world visiting places like India, South America, and exotic locations. I was happy with my life, I chose that. I loved my wife. I wasn't envious of those friends at all.
When I thank source every night or morning before I sleep I give thanks and gratitude for all that I have. I really am most grateful. However I am not happy with what other people have. Some people have misery in their lives and almost nothing to look forward to. I ask source to help those people, men women and children. It is a duty I feel that I must do.
There are, as most people who come here know, politicians, cabal, bankers, corrupt officials in government, corporate SEO's, industrialists who only look after themselves at the expense of ordinary folks. I want their power taken away so that the majority of the population can be freer.
Drake seems to want those same things too! I want the same things that Drake wants. Don't you? Whether he is being led up the wrong path by corrupt Pentagon insiders is another discussion here. I suspect this is a possibility and I suspected this at the start. Read my earlier posts.
Maybe not.
If there are mass meditations around the world, I am included. Maybe these are more powerful than any physical action could be.
I support Drake. The rest of you who don't, to hell with you.


Stan

I am with you Stan. If we can't agree that having meditations focused removing negative powers are a good thing we might as well just sit on our asses and get fat. Also if we really want to change the world then let's get off our asses and do something about it. I will be the first to admit that I have done this way too much. I want what Drake and Cobra (unless they are trying to deceive us) which is a free human race. I can feel the energy is in our favor so let us seize on an opportunity. If we really want a mass arrest let's organize and get some people for a citizen's arrest and do it. There are some people who have lost their land and have been abused by the system that would love to join us even if they aren't awake. Let's not wait for someone to do it for us or chat back in forth with this nearly pointless argument of whether Drake or Cobra is real. YES I AM THE FIRST ONE TO SAY IT BUT IT MUST BE SAID: THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS A DISTRACTION REGARDLESS WHETHER DRAKE/COBRA IS A FAKE OR NOT. It is a divide and conquer strategy which is exactly what the cabal would like to see. If we were to do this let us be careful especially with the law and having a situation like this make us look like the bad guys. If you agree with me reply back publicly, don't send me a pm. Let us declare that we are going to stand up for what we believe in and do something about it. It may be a lot of work but we got nothing to lose when we have everything to lose.

Edit:

I started a petition. A small action can take things a long way. If you like it make it viral. If not make recommendations and help me improve it.

http://www.change.org/petitions/all-...those-arrested

I agree Applecrusher I am with you!

Stan